Hillary won more votes for President

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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    PJ_Soul said:

    pjhawks said:

    Free said:
    the canadian dollar is worth .75 of the american dollar. yup he's nailing it
    Dumbest comment on the boards today. Bravo.
    Know why the loonie fell? Because Stephen Harper made Canada's economy way too dependent on oil and didn't diversify enough, like the jackass with no foresight that he is.
    Second dumbest comment on these boards.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    pjhawks said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    I can't believe...or I guess I can...that Hillary used a child actor to ask her a question in Pennsylvania. What the hell is wrong with her and her campaign? Shit like this is just so unnecessary.

    Source? Let me guess....infowars? zerohedge? Drudge?
    Multiple sources...linked you a page below that has them all linked as you go through it. You can deny this if you want but then you become someone who is just running cover Hillary always and all the time. I criticize Trump plenty so it shouldn't be hard to look at this and the Steve Harvey interview and say...."I like Hillary but why does her campaign have to do shit like this all the time".

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/10/07/sure-looks-like-girls-townhall-question-hillary-staged/
    wait what? most of the people at these events are invited by the parties. it's a rally for a particular candidate not a free for all. are we really surprised a local politician and his family where there? i know there is a lot of dislike for hillary but wtf? really, this is the best shit people can come up with this week? fuck i guess she would have been better off calling the girl a ms piggy :confounded:
    That was my first thought when I heard it on Hannity yesterday.
    Really? This is an issue?

    I think it's an issue for conservatives because they know it was a damn good question that will really resonate with young mothers and bigger women.
    You guys have all lost it. Really. Zero ability for anybody on here to criticize the phoniness of it all. It isn't about destroying the girl or about even whether it's a good question. The point is that this whole thing is a massive charade and you all swallow it down to defeat a greater evil. Whatever happened to the days of hope and change. So amazed how this forum turned into robot city. Not a free thinker left in the bunch.
    You can't be foolish enough to think that political chicanery just started with the Clinton campaign or Democrats. It goes back to the Greeks. Aren't you the one that is foolish and naive to think that phoniness is recent?
    Of course not but cameras and google capture this shit all the time now. Again I am amazed that none of you demand better. You all have the same critique..."who cares?", "it's been happening forever!", "you don't know politics". Faith in government and government institutions is at an all time low. Faith in media is at an all time low. The two candidates have brutal honest and trustworthy numbers and yet this shit continues. Do you all have such a low opinion of Hilary that you don't think she can handle organic questions? She is on her way to victory and you are setting the table for an administration will have blown off all sorts of accountability issues. I know you don't care one iota about the thoughts and feelings of the deplorables but you will want your next leader to improve those faith in government numbers immediately just for the overall health of your nation. That will be very difficult if you all continue to brush off the phonyness.
    Everything you say is accurate if we were talking about an issue with relevance. Accountability, demand better, faith in government, sure I agree with all of this, but not as it relates to something as meaningless as the daughter of a politician asking a question in the audience. I think your reaction here is overblown for the specific issue.
    Nice work by the Jays. Your boys and my Tribe are on a collision course.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    pjhawks said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    I can't believe...or I guess I can...that Hillary used a child actor to ask her a question in Pennsylvania. What the hell is wrong with her and her campaign? Shit like this is just so unnecessary.

    Source? Let me guess....infowars? zerohedge? Drudge?
    Multiple sources...linked you a page below that has them all linked as you go through it. You can deny this if you want but then you become someone who is just running cover Hillary always and all the time. I criticize Trump plenty so it shouldn't be hard to look at this and the Steve Harvey interview and say...."I like Hillary but why does her campaign have to do shit like this all the time".

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/10/07/sure-looks-like-girls-townhall-question-hillary-staged/
    wait what? most of the people at these events are invited by the parties. it's a rally for a particular candidate not a free for all. are we really surprised a local politician and his family where there? i know there is a lot of dislike for hillary but wtf? really, this is the best shit people can come up with this week? fuck i guess she would have been better off calling the girl a ms piggy :confounded:
    That was my first thought when I heard it on Hannity yesterday.
    Really? This is an issue?

    I think it's an issue for conservatives because they know it was a damn good question that will really resonate with young mothers and bigger women.
    You guys have all lost it. Really. Zero ability for anybody on here to criticize the phoniness of it all. It isn't about destroying the girl or about even whether it's a good question. The point is that this whole thing is a massive charade and you all swallow it down to defeat a greater evil. Whatever happened to the days of hope and change. So amazed how this forum turned into robot city. Not a free thinker left in the bunch.
    You can't be foolish enough to think that political chicanery just started with the Clinton campaign or Democrats. It goes back to the Greeks. Aren't you the one that is foolish and naive to think that phoniness is recent?
    Of course not but cameras and google capture this shit all the time now. Again I am amazed that none of you demand better. You all have the same critique..."who cares?", "it's been happening forever!", "you don't know politics". Faith in government and government institutions is at an all time low. Faith in media is at an all time low. The two candidates have brutal honest and trustworthy numbers and yet this shit continues. Do you all have such a low opinion of Hilary that you don't think she can handle organic questions? She is on her way to victory and you are setting the table for an administration will have blown off all sorts of accountability issues. I know you don't care one iota about the thoughts and feelings of the deplorables but you will want your next leader to improve those faith in government numbers immediately just for the overall health of your nation. That will be very difficult if you all continue to brush off the phonyness.
    Everything you say is accurate if we were talking about an issue with relevance. Accountability, demand better, faith in government, sure I agree with all of this, but not as it relates to something as meaningless as the daughter of a politician asking a question in the audience. I think your reaction here is overblown for the specific issue.
    Nice work by the Jays. Your boys and my Tribe are on a collision course.
    Now we're talking! I was at the wildcard game and am going tomorrow. Jays have been on fire but I'm happy to watch you guys smack around the Red Sox and Price. Hopefully we both sweep and then we get the real baseball started!

    Now as per above I totally agree it is meaningless but my point is that it is these stupid small things that lead to worse behaviour in other areas. Call it a version of the so called "broken window theory". If the media doesn't call out the charade now then you will get bigger charades later.

    Go Jays Go.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    pjhawks said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    I can't believe...or I guess I can...that Hillary used a child actor to ask her a question in Pennsylvania. What the hell is wrong with her and her campaign? Shit like this is just so unnecessary.

    Source? Let me guess....infowars? zerohedge? Drudge?
    Multiple sources...linked you a page below that has them all linked as you go through it. You can deny this if you want but then you become someone who is just running cover Hillary always and all the time. I criticize Trump plenty so it shouldn't be hard to look at this and the Steve Harvey interview and say...."I like Hillary but why does her campaign have to do shit like this all the time".

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/10/07/sure-looks-like-girls-townhall-question-hillary-staged/
    wait what? most of the people at these events are invited by the parties. it's a rally for a particular candidate not a free for all. are we really surprised a local politician and his family where there? i know there is a lot of dislike for hillary but wtf? really, this is the best shit people can come up with this week? fuck i guess she would have been better off calling the girl a ms piggy :confounded:
    That was my first thought when I heard it on Hannity yesterday.
    Really? This is an issue?

    I think it's an issue for conservatives because they know it was a damn good question that will really resonate with young mothers and bigger women.
    You guys have all lost it. Really. Zero ability for anybody on here to criticize the phoniness of it all. It isn't about destroying the girl or about even whether it's a good question. The point is that this whole thing is a massive charade and you all swallow it down to defeat a greater evil. Whatever happened to the days of hope and change. So amazed how this forum turned into robot city. Not a free thinker left in the bunch.
    You can't be foolish enough to think that political chicanery just started with the Clinton campaign or Democrats. It goes back to the Greeks. Aren't you the one that is foolish and naive to think that phoniness is recent?
    Of course not but cameras and google capture this shit all the time now. Again I am amazed that none of you demand better. You all have the same critique..."who cares?", "it's been happening forever!", "you don't know politics". Faith in government and government institutions is at an all time low. Faith in media is at an all time low. The two candidates have brutal honest and trustworthy numbers and yet this shit continues. Do you all have such a low opinion of Hilary that you don't think she can handle organic questions? She is on her way to victory and you are setting the table for an administration will have blown off all sorts of accountability issues. I know you don't care one iota about the thoughts and feelings of the deplorables but you will want your next leader to improve those faith in government numbers immediately just for the overall health of your nation. That will be very difficult if you all continue to brush off the phonyness.
    Everything you say is accurate if we were talking about an issue with relevance. Accountability, demand better, faith in government, sure I agree with all of this, but not as it relates to something as meaningless as the daughter of a politician asking a question in the audience. I think your reaction here is overblown for the specific issue.
    Nice work by the Jays. Your boys and my Tribe are on a collision course.
    Now we're talking! I was at the wildcard game and am going tomorrow. Jays have been on fire but I'm happy to watch you guys smack around the Red Sox and Price. Hopefully we both sweep and then we get the real baseball started!

    Now as per above I totally agree it is meaningless but my point is that it is these stupid small things that lead to worse behaviour in other areas. Call it a version of the so called "broken window theory". If the media doesn't call out the charade now then you will get bigger charades later.

    Go Jays Go.
    Don't you think you are coming off as a little bit of an SJW on this one? Don't conservatives always argue for perspective, context, etc.?

    Go Tribe.
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    The media creates the charade. They're not going to end it when their consumers endlessly recycle their stories by sharing the links, re-tweeting, posting, etc. That's how they make their money, for God's sake. Why would they stop reporting the way they do when their current model is making them filthy rich?

    Just like with the clown story. The police have asked the public to quit sharing the threats because
    1. It makes it almost impossible for them to get to the real source
    2. It creates unnecessary hysteria
    That's what I've seen as the major themes in this campaign. Mass hysteria. People saying shit but having no idea where it came from.

    The election of either candidate is not going to stop that when we have an entire nation scientifically proven to be addicted to their devices and the rush of adrenaline they get when they click the buttons. Heck, we have members of this thread who think that with every link they share, they are going to take down our current system of government. That is some really interesting thinking, to say the least.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    pjhawks said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    I can't believe...or I guess I can...that Hillary used a child actor to ask her a question in Pennsylvania. What the hell is wrong with her and her campaign? Shit like this is just so unnecessary.

    Source? Let me guess....infowars? zerohedge? Drudge?
    Multiple sources...linked you a page below that has them all linked as you go through it. You can deny this if you want but then you become someone who is just running cover Hillary always and all the time. I criticize Trump plenty so it shouldn't be hard to look at this and the Steve Harvey interview and say...."I like Hillary but why does her campaign have to do shit like this all the time".

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/10/07/sure-looks-like-girls-townhall-question-hillary-staged/
    wait what? most of the people at these events are invited by the parties. it's a rally for a particular candidate not a free for all. are we really surprised a local politician and his family where there? i know there is a lot of dislike for hillary but wtf? really, this is the best shit people can come up with this week? fuck i guess she would have been better off calling the girl a ms piggy :confounded:
    That was my first thought when I heard it on Hannity yesterday.
    Really? This is an issue?

    I think it's an issue for conservatives because they know it was a damn good question that will really resonate with young mothers and bigger women.
    You guys have all lost it. Really. Zero ability for anybody on here to criticize the phoniness of it all. It isn't about destroying the girl or about even whether it's a good question. The point is that this whole thing is a massive charade and you all swallow it down to defeat a greater evil. Whatever happened to the days of hope and change. So amazed how this forum turned into robot city. Not a free thinker left in the bunch.
    You can't be foolish enough to think that political chicanery just started with the Clinton campaign or Democrats. It goes back to the Greeks. Aren't you the one that is foolish and naive to think that phoniness is recent?
    Of course not but cameras and google capture this shit all the time now. Again I am amazed that none of you demand better. You all have the same critique..."who cares?", "it's been happening forever!", "you don't know politics". Faith in government and government institutions is at an all time low. Faith in media is at an all time low. The two candidates have brutal honest and trustworthy numbers and yet this shit continues. Do you all have such a low opinion of Hilary that you don't think she can handle organic questions? She is on her way to victory and you are setting the table for an administration will have blown off all sorts of accountability issues. I know you don't care one iota about the thoughts and feelings of the deplorables but you will want your next leader to improve those faith in government numbers immediately just for the overall health of your nation. That will be very difficult if you all continue to brush off the phonyness.
    Everything you say is accurate if we were talking about an issue with relevance. Accountability, demand better, faith in government, sure I agree with all of this, but not as it relates to something as meaningless as the daughter of a politician asking a question in the audience. I think your reaction here is overblown for the specific issue.
    Nice work by the Jays. Your boys and my Tribe are on a collision course.
    Now we're talking! I was at the wildcard game and am going tomorrow. Jays have been on fire but I'm happy to watch you guys smack around the Red Sox and Price. Hopefully we both sweep and then we get the real baseball started!

    Now as per above I totally agree it is meaningless but my point is that it is these stupid small things that lead to worse behaviour in other areas. Call it a version of the so called "broken window theory". If the media doesn't call out the charade now then you will get bigger charades later.

    Go Jays Go.
    Don't you think you are coming off as a little bit of an SJW on this one? Don't conservatives always argue for perspective, context, etc.?

    Go Tribe.
    I don't think so. On the actual staged event I think I am bang on. Where I might be coming off as an SJW is my reaction to all of your willingness to brush this staging off as a no biggie. I disagree with so many on here politically but at the root I thought there were a lot of idealists on these boards. I wasn't looking for replies to my initial post on the subject but I was pretty surprised that not one person said "I support Hillary but yeah...why do they find it necessary to always do this?". Instead I'm getting snopes articles. Does everybody have to defend their candidate everyday and all the time? You don't see me cheering for Melvin Upton Jr. just because he homered in Game 1! He sucks and should never ever play!
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882

    The media creates the charade. They're not going to end it when their consumers endlessly recycle their stories by sharing the links, re-tweeting, posting, etc. That's how they make their money, for God's sake. Why would they stop reporting the way they do when their current model is making them filthy rich?

    Just like with the clown story. The police have asked the public to quit sharing the threats because
    1. It makes it almost impossible for them to get to the real source
    2. It creates unnecessary hysteria
    That's what I've seen as the major themes in this campaign. Mass hysteria. People saying shit but having no idea where it came from.

    The election of either candidate is not going to stop that when we have an entire nation scientifically proven to be addicted to their devices and the rush of adrenaline they get when they click the buttons. Heck, we have members of this thread who think that with every link they share, they are going to take down our current system of government. That is some really interesting thinking, to say the least.

    Every candidate has a durable floor of support. Basically no matter what they do, the votes are locked. Hillary's is probably 43/44%. I was thinking Trumps was about 40%. He is close to that now. I am very curious to see if Trump can consistently shatter down into the 30's. If this doesn't do it, then he literally could shoot someone in Times Square and get away with it.
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    mrussel1 said:

    The media creates the charade. They're not going to end it when their consumers endlessly recycle their stories by sharing the links, re-tweeting, posting, etc. That's how they make their money, for God's sake. Why would they stop reporting the way they do when their current model is making them filthy rich?

    Just like with the clown story. The police have asked the public to quit sharing the threats because
    1. It makes it almost impossible for them to get to the real source
    2. It creates unnecessary hysteria
    That's what I've seen as the major themes in this campaign. Mass hysteria. People saying shit but having no idea where it came from.

    The election of either candidate is not going to stop that when we have an entire nation scientifically proven to be addicted to their devices and the rush of adrenaline they get when they click the buttons. Heck, we have members of this thread who think that with every link they share, they are going to take down our current system of government. That is some really interesting thinking, to say the least.

    Every candidate has a durable floor of support. Basically no matter what they do, the votes are locked. Hillary's is probably 43/44%. I was thinking Trumps was about 40%. He is close to that now. I am very curious to see if Trump can consistently shatter down into the 30's. If this doesn't do it, then he literally could shoot someone in Times Square and get away with it.
    I'm not so sure yet he's going to lose much support from Joe Public. My sister-in-law, a Trump voter, told me last weekend that what upsets her the most is that the "establishment" is abandoning party voters who chose Trump. She feels that if the party voters picked Trump, the leaders need to honor their wish. Time will tell how many feel the same way. At best, I predict Trump will lose votes because people stay home, not because people will switch candidates.

    Aside: my sister-in-law is a really good person. Misguided maybe, or guided by her small business owning perspective, but not a Trump stereotype. She's actually a Trump voter I can listen to.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    No candidate in history has been more controlled by the financial world than Clinton.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882

    mrussel1 said:

    The media creates the charade. They're not going to end it when their consumers endlessly recycle their stories by sharing the links, re-tweeting, posting, etc. That's how they make their money, for God's sake. Why would they stop reporting the way they do when their current model is making them filthy rich?

    Just like with the clown story. The police have asked the public to quit sharing the threats because
    1. It makes it almost impossible for them to get to the real source
    2. It creates unnecessary hysteria
    That's what I've seen as the major themes in this campaign. Mass hysteria. People saying shit but having no idea where it came from.

    The election of either candidate is not going to stop that when we have an entire nation scientifically proven to be addicted to their devices and the rush of adrenaline they get when they click the buttons. Heck, we have members of this thread who think that with every link they share, they are going to take down our current system of government. That is some really interesting thinking, to say the least.

    Every candidate has a durable floor of support. Basically no matter what they do, the votes are locked. Hillary's is probably 43/44%. I was thinking Trumps was about 40%. He is close to that now. I am very curious to see if Trump can consistently shatter down into the 30's. If this doesn't do it, then he literally could shoot someone in Times Square and get away with it.
    I'm not so sure yet he's going to lose much support from Joe Public. My sister-in-law, a Trump voter, told me last weekend that what upsets her the most is that the "establishment" is abandoning party voters who chose Trump. She feels that if the party voters picked Trump, the leaders need to honor their wish. Time will tell how many feel the same way. At best, I predict Trump will lose votes because people stay home, not because people will switch candidates.

    Aside: my sister-in-law is a really good person. Misguided maybe, or guided by her small business owning perspective, but not a Trump stereotype. She's actually a Trump voter I can listen to.
    Check back in with us and let us know if this changes anything with your sis in law. I think the net result won't be voters going from Trump to Hillary. It certainly can't help him with undecided voters (how are there any of those??), but maybe more importantly is how it hurts the 'get out the vote' effort for the % of non-motivated voters that make up his total. For example, if your sister is towing the party line, rather than a passionate Trump person, is she as motivated to go on election day?
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    Trump is a creep, but no Hillary voter on here seems to care that Hillary told the big banks she has a "public and private policy position"? A woman who tears apart other women's lives because her husband was done with them and lies to the American public about her policy positions is fit to be president? Congrats. You got yourselves into this position by blindly pushing for the first woman president. The country was ready for it but unfortunately you picked a horrible person to be that first one.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882

    Trump is a creep, but no Hillary voter on here seems to care that Hillary told the big banks she has a "public and private policy position"? A woman who tears apart other women's lives because her husband was done with them and lies to the American public about her policy positions is fit to be president? Congrats. You got yourselves into this position by blindly pushing for the first woman president. The country was ready for it but unfortunately you picked a horrible person to be that first one.

    What did you help pick?
  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672

    Trump is a creep, but no Hillary voter on here seems to care that Hillary told the big banks she has a "public and private policy position"? A woman who tears apart other women's lives because her husband was done with them and lies to the American public about her policy positions is fit to be president? Congrats. You got yourselves into this position by blindly pushing for the first woman president. The country was ready for it but unfortunately you picked a horrible person to be that first one.

    Politican 1st - country 2nd

    as most claim around here, she's a true progressive.
    You obviously don't get your news from C-span
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    The media creates the charade. They're not going to end it when their consumers endlessly recycle their stories by sharing the links, re-tweeting, posting, etc. That's how they make their money, for God's sake. Why would they stop reporting the way they do when their current model is making them filthy rich?

    Just like with the clown story. The police have asked the public to quit sharing the threats because
    1. It makes it almost impossible for them to get to the real source
    2. It creates unnecessary hysteria
    That's what I've seen as the major themes in this campaign. Mass hysteria. People saying shit but having no idea where it came from.

    The election of either candidate is not going to stop that when we have an entire nation scientifically proven to be addicted to their devices and the rush of adrenaline they get when they click the buttons. Heck, we have members of this thread who think that with every link they share, they are going to take down our current system of government. That is some really interesting thinking, to say the least.

    Every candidate has a durable floor of support. Basically no matter what they do, the votes are locked. Hillary's is probably 43/44%. I was thinking Trumps was about 40%. He is close to that now. I am very curious to see if Trump can consistently shatter down into the 30's. If this doesn't do it, then he literally could shoot someone in Times Square and get away with it.
    I'm not so sure yet he's going to lose much support from Joe Public. My sister-in-law, a Trump voter, told me last weekend that what upsets her the most is that the "establishment" is abandoning party voters who chose Trump. She feels that if the party voters picked Trump, the leaders need to honor their wish. Time will tell how many feel the same way. At best, I predict Trump will lose votes because people stay home, not because people will switch candidates.

    Aside: my sister-in-law is a really good person. Misguided maybe, or guided by her small business owning perspective, but not a Trump stereotype. She's actually a Trump voter I can listen to.
    Check back in with us and let us know if this changes anything with your sis in law. I think the net result won't be voters going from Trump to Hillary. It certainly can't help him with undecided voters (how are there any of those??), but maybe more importantly is how it hurts the 'get out the vote' effort for the % of non-motivated voters that make up his total. For example, if your sister is towing the party line, rather than a passionate Trump person, is she as motivated to go on election day?
    Yes, I do wonder what she will say in response to current events. I predict she will be disgusted, but I also think she will still vote for him. As a voter, she is highly motivated by tax policy.

    I think voter turn out is going to be low for both candidates, though. I have no data point to confirm that hunch, but I will be canvassing Fairfax Democrats the final two weekends before the election to get the vote out. I'm curious to hear what people say. (They wanted me to take the 9 AM shift on a Sunday, and I said no way am I knocking on voters' doors at 9 AM. Hahaha)
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562

    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    The media creates the charade. They're not going to end it when their consumers endlessly recycle their stories by sharing the links, re-tweeting, posting, etc. That's how they make their money, for God's sake. Why would they stop reporting the way they do when their current model is making them filthy rich?

    Just like with the clown story. The police have asked the public to quit sharing the threats because
    1. It makes it almost impossible for them to get to the real source
    2. It creates unnecessary hysteria
    That's what I've seen as the major themes in this campaign. Mass hysteria. People saying shit but having no idea where it came from.

    The election of either candidate is not going to stop that when we have an entire nation scientifically proven to be addicted to their devices and the rush of adrenaline they get when they click the buttons. Heck, we have members of this thread who think that with every link they share, they are going to take down our current system of government. That is some really interesting thinking, to say the least.

    Every candidate has a durable floor of support. Basically no matter what they do, the votes are locked. Hillary's is probably 43/44%. I was thinking Trumps was about 40%. He is close to that now. I am very curious to see if Trump can consistently shatter down into the 30's. If this doesn't do it, then he literally could shoot someone in Times Square and get away with it.
    I'm not so sure yet he's going to lose much support from Joe Public. My sister-in-law, a Trump voter, told me last weekend that what upsets her the most is that the "establishment" is abandoning party voters who chose Trump. She feels that if the party voters picked Trump, the leaders need to honor their wish. Time will tell how many feel the same way. At best, I predict Trump will lose votes because people stay home, not because people will switch candidates.

    Aside: my sister-in-law is a really good person. Misguided maybe, or guided by her small business owning perspective, but not a Trump stereotype. She's actually a Trump voter I can listen to.
    Check back in with us and let us know if this changes anything with your sis in law. I think the net result won't be voters going from Trump to Hillary. It certainly can't help him with undecided voters (how are there any of those??), but maybe more importantly is how it hurts the 'get out the vote' effort for the % of non-motivated voters that make up his total. For example, if your sister is towing the party line, rather than a passionate Trump person, is she as motivated to go on election day?
    Yes, I do wonder what she will say in response to current events. I predict she will be disgusted, but I also think she will still vote for him. As a voter, she is highly motivated by tax policy.

    I think voter turn out is going to be low for both candidates, though. I have no data point to confirm that hunch, but I will be canvassing Fairfax Democrats the final two weekends before the election to get the vote out. I'm curious to hear what people say. (They wanted me to take the 9 AM shift on a Sunday, and I said no way am I knocking on voters' doors at 9 AM. Hahaha)
    People are not going to vote because you've got the two most unlikable and unpopular candidates in history.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I'm really starting to believe that we to enact standards on voting based on these two candidates.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    unsung said:

    I'm really starting to believe that we to enact standards on voting based on these two candidates.

    Again, like if you're not smart enough to vote for your guy, don't vote?
  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672

    unsung said:

    I'm really starting to believe that we to enact standards on voting based on these two candidates.

    Again, like if you're not smart enough to vote for your guy, don't vote?
    There's a female in the race you sexist pig.

    But seriously. We have two garbage candidates. How do I make a smart choice?
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Honestly, all four have some serious flaws. How about just skipping the Presidential choice and voting for legitimate down ballot officials. Getting good people into politics is a good place to start.
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