IT Manager for State Dept. who worked directly with Huma and Hillary to correct an issue with her private server was never contacted by FBI about Hillary investigation
Good news for you correct Trump will be president and all will be great in this country, specially after the last 8 yrs of Obama I can't stand it that my 403 has now doubled since he took office and it does suck to see economy not doing so well yeah Trump will be a huge improvement lol ...
so you have a government job, work for an Obamacare subsidiary, or what?
Because everything of mine has gone up in cost and stagnant everywhere else
Good news for you correct Trump will be president and all will be great in this country, specially after the last 8 yrs of Obama I can't stand it that my 403 has now doubled since he took office and it does suck to see economy not doing so well yeah Trump will be a huge improvement lol ...
so you have a government job, work for an Obamacare subsidiary, or what?
Because everything of mine has gone up
No gov job for me work for a private hospital, my mortgage is stable my taxes are high here on Long Island but my job is very stable in 07/08 I lost 3/4 of my 403 after Obama took office it started to go up and now it's doubled what I had then !
sure.....NOW you believe what the MSM has to say whatever happened to Clinton News Network? Trump's probably actually got 4 or 5 more swing states, they're just covering it up
I heard about this yesterday and was elated. And not surprised because Sarandon is sharp- very bright. She lays it all out right here- right exactly why voting for a third party candidate makes sense. I hope viewers don't look at this as just yet another Hollywood star blah blah blah but rather a smart, informed, logical argument. Kudos, Susan Sarandon!
You are absolutely correct.
I can't wait for the return of Nena Turner. I love that woman and I hope she resurfaces and rises to help steer the progressive movement.
What I don't understand about Nina turner is that she is a progressive but Soren Democrat. I think being a Democrat solidly holds her back from progress.
I would agree that it takes "balls" to call yourself progressive while hoping Trump gets elected and then impeached. You realize that would possibly make Pence the president, right? How many "progressive" ideas do you think he will ram through if there is a republican majority in the house?
Ask Germ how well Pence is working out for him. He gets to sit at his computer all day and watch the news.... That's not to bad.
Look if we win the Senate and if we pick up a some W 's in the house then we should be ok. Times are changing. People are actually voting for change and politicians are losing their long standing positions. We either ride this all the way through or we settle for the same old shit.
Like I said, I'm a die hard progressive, but I'm also tired of this shit and I firmly believe that Clinton is unethical and bad for our country.
I've never sided with republicans, maybe on some spending cuts and preserving the constitution, but 99.99% of the time I have devoted my time, resources, and energy to progressive movements. That's a damn fact and you can look through my history or check my record. I use good judgment to promote progress. Unfortunately here we have a serious situation on our hands and we're going to have to make a sacrifice. That simple.
Picking up the Senate (by one stinking seat at most) under a Trump presidency, with a few more Dems in the House won't do anything for progress. All it means is more gridlock. The Republicans will not impeach Trump just to impeach him. He'd have to commit a crime while in office first. Even if he did commit a crime that the FBI proves to be true, we'd still have divided government with Pence in charge. And if the Dems win the House in 2018 (which I think is within reach), we'd still have Trump/Pence and make no progress. Sorry, but your strategy is a losing strategy no matter how you cut it. At least with Clinton in office, there is a chance of two years of Dem-controlled government to get something done if we look forward to the mid-term.
Honestly, a vote for Stein would be more anti-Clinton than a Trump vote, since neither candidate is going to win. At least a Stein vote would register your dissatisfaction more clearly with the party you're more closely aligned with. When you vote for Trump, your progressive voice gets misinterpreted as support for what he stands for. You don't get to check a box that says "This is just a protest vote." A vote means (or should mean, in my view) that you support one candidate's platform more than the other's. Why would you want your vote to be part of that Trump count instead of the Stein count if the Stein agenda is really the one you support? It just doesn't make sense.
So in addition to not understanding your strategy, I don't understand your justification for voting for Trump. I'm not name calling or trying to start a fight with you. I'm just encouraging you to think more clearly about how to protest the system and how political strategy actually works. We don't go forward by putting the backwards candidates in office. If you really wanted to move forward beyond Clinton, you would best express that by voting for Stein.
very thoughtful post. Much appreciated. I know we've had some tough exchanges.
I'll keep my reply short and simple. I gave Jill S. a lot of thought and started to dedicate time, energy, and resources to her. However my inner judgment wasn't strong with her- She doesn't/didn't seem tough enough or as knowledgeable as I hoped for. I love her passion and I love the stuff she's doing, but still there's something missing for me. I'm a progressive, but I'm also about individualism and preserving the constitution/laws. I'm not crazy about big govt. only when it comes to social issues. I'm a big split between Ron Paul and a real Progressive Obama. Anyhow....
The DNC/Clinton could give two shits about a protest vote, using Stein, after all their goal is power. They want the highest office and they;re going to do what ever it takes to get there, as it's been made clear with the leaks. Considering Hillary's private policy and public policy... her inconsistencies on many issues over the years demonstrates to me that she isn't about genuine change or transparencies, its become pretty clear that she isn't going to care about progressive causes... She's going to care about her personal desires and those of her donors. Example, she received tons of cash by a donor because she said she would back GMO labeling, but then received tons more cash from another group and changed her stance... or made suggestions she would support this other Non GMO's group with more cash... That's been pretty consistent. She said in public that her stance on the TPP has changed, only to gain Sanders supporters, but then as the leaks reveal it was all BS. It's a number of reasons regarding Clinton... Most have been discussed up and down and now with these new leaks it's become completely clear that she is the greater evil.
I'm not looking for a progressive agenda, nor do I have hopes to make any progress in 2017. I don't think we could accomplish that with Clinton or with Trump. The country is crazy divided. Progressives on here are crazy divided and outside of this forum there are progressives such as myself lining up with hardcore conservatives to defeat Clinton and then go after trump. It's crazy, But true... and this isn't some facebook crap or some social media shit.... This is real people coming together. I've never been a part of anything like this before, but it feels right and it's actually happening. My progressive causes will have to be placed on hold. Look at immigration, look at healtcare, look at citizens united, look at the NSA, look at the patriot act, look at Wall St , look at Wells fargo, look at the bombs being dropped, look at the innocent children dying on the streets, look at the rich getting richer, look at pay equality, look at trade, look at our govt., GITMO, secret courts, spying, drones, look at our relationships with the world, look at all the fallout, look at the primaries, look at our politics, look at our candidates,look at immigration, look at the war on drugs, terrorism, etc.. etc..etc.... It's shit.. and this is under Obama. Now I'm not saying the world is on fire, nor am I being a conspiracy nut... my life will probably not be affected by either candidate, however the future of my country and our faith in our democracy will be rattled badly. And before someone replies with, "the gop;s number 1 goal was to make sure obama fails" - yes I'm aware of what Mitch M. said and yes I remember John B. and all the shit they put the prez through. I was fighting the good fight along side the prez.
A vote for Stein is a vote for Clinton in my opinion. If you really want to protest vote, then vote for trump. Because that's the only way your vote will count. DNC want's the "W" they don't care about the person or the cause. I can still say I've never voted for a Republican (sarcasm- most conservatives don't consider trump to be a true republican). We will win the senate and we will do good enough in the house. A lame duck session for four years isn't that bad. We will regroup and vote out a lot of the garbage that's out there. The world will not end if trump wins... trust me. The media, the fbi, the DOJ, and the PEOPLE will keep him in line and send his ass packing.
I rather focus on Clinton.. I appreciate the post.. it was well delivered and very much respected. Hope my rambling wasn't to confusing and all over the place... Spending way to much time on the net. OT.
I actually agree with Tonifig, in the sense that a true protest vote would be a vote for Trump. Knowing that this election is already rigged and we know who the winner is, the only way to really put out a protest vote is to garner more votes for Trump because he actually has a chance with so many people behind him. But that's IF, voting is not messed with (but it is), and IF The media doesn't play their stupid game of competing channels to see who announces results first (you know they will). If there are more votes for Trump in the swing states, and they actually count votes? That would be the ultimate upset.
I heard about this yesterday and was elated. And not surprised because Sarandon is sharp- very bright. She lays it all out right here- right exactly why voting for a third party candidate makes sense. I hope viewers don't look at this as just yet another Hollywood star blah blah blah but rather a smart, informed, logical argument. Kudos, Susan Sarandon!
You are absolutely correct.
I can't wait for the return of Nena Turner. I love that woman and I hope she resurfaces and rises to help steer the progressive movement.
What I don't understand about Nina turner is that she is a progressive but Soren Democrat. I think being a Democrat solidly holds her back from progress.
I think Sarandon is being an idiot by saying or implying that about female voters (while I agree with much of what she said), for the same reason everybody else who is saying shit like that about the motivations of female voters are being idiots.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Julian Assange already said he'd turn himself in if they'd pardon Manning. You guys could have an end to all this email madness if you guys reach out to your candidate:
if President Obama signs this terrible legislation that blatantly validates Bernie's entire campaign message about Wall Street
"John, the Roberts bill will be introduced on Monday night and it is now highly likely that a very bad "compromise" version will pass the senate this week and be approved by the House and on its way to the White House within a very short period. I can promise you that if President Obama signs this terrible legislation that blatantly validates Bernie's entire campaign message about Wall Street running our government, this will give Bernie a huge boost and 10,000 -20,000 outraged citizens ( who WILL turn up because they will be so angry at the President for preemption vt)....."
Julian Assange already said he'd turn himself in if they'd pardon Manning. You guys could have an end to all this email madness if you guys reach out to your candidate:
Julian Assange already said he'd turn himself in if they'd pardon Manning. You guys could have an end to all this email madness if you guys reach out to your candidate:
turkic-american group offering podesta a gift of artwork Dear John Podesta,
Due to our great friendship with you, we here at the Turkic American Alliance have specially designed an Ebru painting or water marbling to show our appreciation for your continues support for our organization through attendance to our conventions and TAA events. https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/48218
Julian Assange already said he'd turn himself in if they'd pardon Manning. You guys could have an end to all this email madness if you guys reach out to your candidate:
Can you reach out to your candidate and make him stop sexually assaulting women?
Can you reach out to your candidate and tell her to stop taking in truck loads of money from country's the hang women, stone them to death, rape them, are dehumanized.... Yeah I'll write another email to Trump and tell him to stop talking like an idiot. I'll make sure I'm specific about his comments related to grabbing women.
turkic-american group offering podesta a gift of artwork Dear John Podesta,
Due to our great friendship with you, we here at the Turkic American Alliance have specially designed an Ebru painting or water marbling to show our appreciation for your continues support for our organization through attendance to our conventions and TAA events. https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/48218
So? This actually seems quite positive to me. Why did you call attention to this email?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Julian Assange already said he'd turn himself in if they'd pardon Manning. You guys could have an end to all this email madness if you guys reach out to your candidate:
I know you come, troll, and take off...but that statement you are saying in jest is probably closer to be true now than it ever was before
It was confirmed by multiple FBI agents who are leaking information that the FBI is going for indictment and that major media outlets like ABC and NBC are covering it up
Are you kidding me? Covering it up? A Clinton indictment right before the election? That story would blow ratings through the roof! You think they'd cover up a story that would generate potentially billions of dollars in advertising revenue just because they like Clinton? Like George Stephanapolous, the political editor of ABC, former Clinton campaign manager who quit politics and wrote a scathing book about the Clintons when he left in order to make millions himself? That guy hates the Clintons, got rich off hating the Clintons, and you believe he's covering up for them?
No, no no, I love your name. You can put it in your sig tho.
It is a solid name you've got HFD. I wish I'd thought of a good name. I just pulled mine out of my butt at maybe 2AM one morning when I suddenly decided to register for the forum so I could comment on something, lol. It never occurred to me at the time that I'd be stuck with it for life (and it did not occur to me that P.J. Soles was that actress in Carrie until later either ). Oh well... I guess it's apt enough, if not cool.
To stay on topic, I still just don't understand what anyone is seeing that's wrong about these Podesta emails. I've read a bunch of them and I have literally not seen a single thing untoward... but people keep acting like there is something untoward about them, but no one has managed to really explain why (without using fake info).
Why don't you change your name? I've changed mine a few times.
Because it's how people know me now. Too late to change IMO. When people do that, nobody knows who they are, old friends can't find them, etc. I'll just stick with the name I was given (by myself). I'm like a Hilda or a Gertrude. I just have to accept it, haha.
Hilda is a sexy name! It makes me picture a Bavarian housfrau in some sort of hosen
turkic-american group offering podesta a gift of artwork Dear John Podesta,
Due to our great friendship with you, we here at the Turkic American Alliance have specially designed an Ebru painting or water marbling to show our appreciation for your continues support for our organization through attendance to our conventions and TAA events. https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/48218
So? This actually seems quite positive to me. Why did you call attention to this email?
More lobbing towards Clinton. It's all information.
Julian Assange already said he'd turn himself in if they'd pardon Manning. You guys could have an end to all this email madness if you guys reach out to your candidate:
You're doing God's work, tonifig8. Posting a million e-mails and changing SO many minds on here.
Which God? Liberals tend to not believe in unicorns and things of that nature. For the record. If one person changes their mind about Clinton that's great. And if two... well that's even better... Ultimately I'm just posting information and making good use of my time. You keep bring it up. Is there an issue with it?
Julian Assange already said he'd turn himself in if they'd pardon Manning. You guys could have an end to all this email madness if you guys reach out to your candidate:
You better be careful with your comments. Or do you want me to correct you? I don't have the time, but for you I will make an exception.
Assange is not a terrorist and neither is Manning. You should be thanking them for the sacrifices they've made to humanity.
How so?
18 U.S.C. § 2331 "International terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:
(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum;
Manning is a traitor, that's different. You will recall: there were charges brought, an arrest, a trial, guilty plea and sentencing. People keep trying to skip right to the end around here.
Julian Assange already said he'd turn himself in if they'd pardon Manning. You guys could have an end to all this email madness if you guys reach out to your candidate:
You better be careful with your comments. Or do you want me to correct you? I don't have the time, but for you I will make an exception.
Assange is not a terrorist and neither is Manning. You should be thanking them for the sacrifices they've made to humanity.
How so?
18 U.S.C. § 2331 "International terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:
Involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law; Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and Occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S., or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.*
Manning is a traitor, that's different. You will recall: there were charges brought, an arrest, a trial, guilty plea and sentencing. People keep trying to skip right to the end around here.
turkic-american group offering podesta a gift of artwork Dear John Podesta,
Due to our great friendship with you, we here at the Turkic American Alliance have specially designed an Ebru painting or water marbling to show our appreciation for your continues support for our organization through attendance to our conventions and TAA events. https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/48218
So? This actually seems quite positive to me. Why did you call attention to this email?
More lobbing towards Clinton. It's all information.
Yeah, god forbid the Clinton campaign try to build bridges with cultural organizations and have those organizations do the same. Not all lobbyists are bad, FYI.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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Because everything of mine has gone up in cost and stagnant everywhere else
Fwd: POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/48234
Bernie is going to hit Rahm hard tonight in Chicago
this guy had loads of knowledge on Bernie's operations..
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/46090
whatever happened to Clinton News Network?
Trump's probably actually got 4 or 5 more swing states, they're just covering it up
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/05/us/chelsea-manning-tried-committing-suicide-a-second-time-in-october.html?_r=0
"John, the Roberts bill will be introduced on Monday night and it is now highly likely that a very bad "compromise" version will pass the senate this week and be approved by the House and on its way to the White House within a very short period. I can promise you that if President Obama signs this terrible legislation that blatantly validates Bernie's entire campaign message about Wall Street running our government, this will give Bernie a huge boost and 10,000 -20,000 outraged citizens ( who WILL turn up because they will be so angry at the President for preemption vt)....."
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/45989
Dear John Podesta,
Due to our great friendship with you, we here at the Turkic American Alliance have specially designed an Ebru painting or water marbling to show our appreciation for your continues support for our organization through attendance to our conventions and TAA events.
https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/48218
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Let's focus on what's more important.
Assange is not a terrorist and neither is Manning. You should be thanking them for the sacrifices they've made to humanity.
That guy hates the Clintons, got rich off hating the Clintons, and you believe he's covering up for them?
We're moving folks... let's pack up and head out.
For the record. If one person changes their mind about Clinton that's great. And if two... well that's even better... Ultimately I'm just posting information and making good use of my time. You keep bring it up. Is there an issue with it?
I'll be gone on the 9th. Don't worry, man.
18 U.S.C. § 2331
"International terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:
(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum;
Manning is a traitor, that's different. You will recall: there were charges brought, an arrest, a trial, guilty plea and sentencing. People keep trying to skip right to the end around here.
moving on.
Not all lobbyists are bad, FYI.