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Remember thou Comley FBI ruled there was no intent by HRC.
In the email exchange Powell wrote "there is a real danger."
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"I didn't have a Blackberry," Powell said in the email. "What I did was have a personal computer that was hooked up to a private phone line (sounds ancient). So I could communicate with a wide range of friends directly without it going through the State Department servers. I even used it to do business with some foreign leaders and some of the senior folks in the Department on their personal email accounts. I did the same thing on the road in hotels."0
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You dismiss the fact that Bernie lost the primaries by I believe almost 4 million votes and lay all of the blame on the DNC and the convention. How is that objective? You seem to believe that "being investigated" is the same as being guilty and thus automatically disqualifies someone from higher office? The fact that Hillary "polls" close to or near a bigot says more about the American electorate than it does Hillary Clinton. Bernie wouldn't be polling any better for his socialist ideals don't play well in the red states. Hillary apologized, accepted responsibility for her carelessness and has moved on. The fucking echo chamber, of which you're contributing to by not asking the question that everyone is so desperate to have asked and continuing to promulgate that "something", "anything" must have been shady because Hillary was "investigated" is partly why she polls as low as she does. This has been the republican mantra from day one because they can't beat her on her policy. You're buying it hook, line and sinker. You haven't linked to your polls that show her trailing while others, myself included, have linked to polls that say the opposite. 110 prominent republicans have disavowed trump. Can you say the same of Hillary? Of democrats doing the same to Hillary? Why is that? You're going to see many republicans vote for Hillary though they'd never admit it. Hillary by 70 or more electoral votes. But she should step down? Please. Bernie lost. Get over it. Vote Jill Stein, Gary Johnson or stay home.tonifig8 said:
The DNC stated that it would give the candidates an equally fair shot. They did not do that and it has been demonstrated.Halifax2TheMax said:
She's the most investigated and scrutinized because a couple of liberal podunks from Arkansas upset the natural order of poppy bush and establishment republicans. Think about it for a minute? All of the investigations and not one indictment or even censure. Hell, where are her republican colleagues from the senate slamming her? They're not because they know there's no there, there. Carelessness is not a crime nor is the appearance of malfeasance. And I wonder if you were this vociferous in your defense of democracy when bush lied us into war with Iraq? I don't recall you posting shit about that travesty of democracy. The DNC's job is to support those candidates who have the best chance of winning, period. You think democracy is transparent? You think it's orderly and that deals aren't cut? What do you know of election politics? Why does it start with Hillary? And she's not doing "incredibly bad" against trump. It's like you make shit up and claim to be unbiased and fighting for democracy and yet your blinded by your own ideals, to quote free.tonifig8 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Hillary Clinton is the most scrutinized and investigated presidential candidate of the modern political campaign. Never indicted nor put on trial. Almost 40 years of tax returns released and made public. Some on here have a difficult time accepting that there is no there, there. And despite my repeated requests for "a question" some would like the press to ask of Hillary, not one has been forthcoming, despite 58 pages of a summary FBI report released on her emails and 8 Benghazi hearings, which are also public record. Conspiracy? I dunno. Do any of Hillary's detractors have a question or is it all woe is me and Bernie and our poor democracy? And despite protestations that some are holding all politicians feet to the fire and accountable for the sake of our democracy, I haven't seen the same level of criticism of any of the other candidates despite documented facts that should lead you to such accusations and justified criticism. Come to think of it, maybe there is a conspiracy of paid trump supporters posting on here?
I apologize in advance. Cha-Ching!
I wonder why she has been the most investigated candidate, as you claim. You think it's because of conspiracies? Or do you think it has anything to do with the fact that she was fucking careless?!?Halifax2TheMax said:Hillary Clinton is the most scrutinized and investigated presidential candidate of the modern political campaign. Never indicted nor put on trial. Almost 40 years of tax returns released and made public. Some on here have a difficult time accepting that there is no there, there. And despite my repeated requests for "a question" some would like the press to ask of Hillary, not one has been forthcoming, despite 58 pages of a summary FBI report released on her emails and 8 Benghazi hearings, which are also public record. Conspiracy? I dunno. Do any of Hillary's detractors have a question or is it all woe is me and Bernie and our poor democracy? And despite protestations that some are holding all politicians feet to the fire and accountable for the sake of our democracy, I haven't seen the same level of criticism of any of the other candidates despite documented facts that should lead you to such accusations and justified criticism. Come to think of it, maybe there is a conspiracy of paid trump supporters posting on here?
I apologize in advance. Cha-Ching!
You don't think trump has had it worse? His fuck ups and crazy talk are the headlines of every news outlet. He's attacked over and over by the left and right... I'm honestly surprised he hasn't dropped out, or jumped off a building. Seems like a new headline each day for that scumbag.
I'm not sure why you think it's about Bernie- fact is he was screwed over by the party that claimed to give him a fair shot, but that's not what's being brought up here. She should drop out because she's doing incredibly bad against trump- she is the lesser of the two evils and yet she's down in the polls. Wtf.. And to take our democracy so lightly, as if it's no big deal that these people in power were able to screw over a candidate, which again they claimed was going to get a fair shot, is a serious matter - especially when the head of the DNC resigns for her involvement and is then hired by Clinton... Seems shady as fuck. Now us going after Clinton for that shit isn't some ploy to attack her because she's a woman or some other bullshit, it's because that's a stupid thing to do! Especially when she needs our votes. How stupid, right?
The DNC clearly isn't giving democrats the best shot of winning by giving us Clinton. She's in a virtual tie with a fucking bigot. How the hell did the DNC give us the best candidate? Democracy is not transparent that's clear, but that doesn't mean we roll over and let the corruption get a free pass.
Who says it started with Hillary? I'm focusing on the current field. How am I making things up? I;m taking a practical approach and I'm using valid sources to demonstrate the reality of things.
Her being investigated isn't fair? The FBI found 81 email chains that contained information determined to be classified, though none of the information was appropriately labeled. Who knows what information was leaked. At what point will you hold her accountable? What if there were some sort of strike because of her carelessness. Would you then hold her accountable or would you continue to give her a free pass?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Romney and Obama were in a statistical tie for about 6 weeks from late September until the week before the election. Romney wasn't a racist, but at the end of the day, people tend to go back to their roots (meaning Dem and Republican). Natural republicans will look for a reason to vote R and natural Democrats will look for a reason to vote D. IN the case of a Republican, they will look for signs of sanity from Trump and he has generally displayed such signs since Conway joined the team. The country is so polarized, no one will destroy anyone in the popular vote. It comes down to the EV, in which HRC has a distinct advantage still.tonifig8 said:
Let's take that at face value. She's leading by 4 points or is in a statistical tie with fucking Donald Trump(bigot)-(palm to the face). Why? Some say Hillary is a third term of Obama, do you think Obama would be in statistical tie with a bigot? Let's be rational here- because this is truly a cause for concern. Donald Trump was a complete idiot throughout the primaries and to this very day he continues to act like a complete idiot. No other politician would survive all these fuck ups. Yet they are neck and neck - and they're equally polling highly unfavorable. Why isn't Clinton destroying this guy? Do you think it's because of a handful of former Bernie supporters? Do you think it's because of all these conspiracies? Do you think it's because a few of us post on AMT against clinton?mrussel1 said:Tonifig8 - for the last day or so, you've been saying Trump leads in the polls, but I don't know where you are pulling this from. The only recent poll that showed him leading was the recent CNN. But that poll got hit hard today by criticism that almost half of its sample was whites without a college education. In 2012, that demographic was only a third of the voting block (it should only be going down). So it was a skewed poll. When adjusted for the 2012 voting patterns, HRC leads by 4. Now the LA times poll has consistently shown Trump in a statistical tie or ahead so that one has been consistent (oversampled as well). There's no doubt the polls have tightened, but as of today, I don't think there is a credible source that calls Trump 'leading'.
Just an FYI for you.
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a third of the voting block is whites without college education??0
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life partners? u seem to take up for one another like you were in a gang together, lmaotonifig8 said:
Not sure if you've been following along, but those comments have been repeated over and over. It seems many of the clinonites continue to believe that many of our comments stem from some sort of conspiracy. I'm guessing the comment gives the clintonites some sense of resolution. People make a comment against Clinton and the rebuttal is some sort of conspiracy comment.mrussel1 said:
Seems a bit acerbic for what is obviously a joke.tonifig8 said:
What are you talking about, bro? Who the fuck gives a shit if she coughed or not. When you're ready to sit at the big boy table feel free to join in.Gern Blansten said:Hey she didn't cough once...
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http://www.vox.com/2016/9/8/12846988/colin-powell-hillary-clinton-email
The email makes clear that Powell, too, used private systems to avoid the State Department servers — and for purposes that appear to be clearly related to his government office.
“What I did do was have a personal computer that was hooked up to a private phone line (sounds ancient.)” Powell wrote on January 23, 2009. “So I could communicate with a wide range of friends directly without going through the State Department servers. I even used it to do business with some foreign leaders and some of the senior folks in the Department on their personal email accounts. I did the same thing on the road in hotels.”
Now, there’s still a difference between Powell’s handling of the email server and Clinton’s. While it’s clear Powell used a private server to go around the State Department, Powell also did communicate over the State servers and maintained a State email account. By contrast, Clinton never set up a @state.gov account throughout her time as secretary of state and only used a private account.
But the distinction is increasingly looking like a matter of degree rather than kind. The torrent of criticism against Clinton is obviously connected to the extraordinary FBI investigation into her private server, but it also now looks wildly disproportionate given how close it mirrors that of her predecessor. And Powell doesn't just admit to using a private communications system to chat informally with his top aides: He even admits to doing so to talk directly with foreign leaders to avoid open records.
The email also is a bad look for Powell, who had earlier this campaign criticized Clinton’s people for “trying to pin” the FBI investigation on him. The 2009 email strongly suggests Clinton was telling the truth when she said she had sought guidance from Powell before deciding to set up her private server.Post edited by Gern Blansten onRemember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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CLINTON PRESS CONFERENCE THIS MORNING
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clinton-trump-national-security-forum-fallout-227884
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"The former secretary of state holds a rare press conference to condemn Trump for his trash talk about generals"mrussel1 said:CLINTON PRESS CONFERENCE THIS MORNING
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clinton-trump-national-security-forum-fallout-227884
Moveon.org... anyone remember why that site was created? I think it's time to do so.
I wonder if she realized that she needs to change up her strategy, considering she's neck and neck with a Bigot. Not only a Bigot, but probably the most uninformed public figure who has ever ran for office! Yes, even worse then Sarah P.
Do you have a link to this interview? It was on the tarmac, right? - Glad to see that she's starting to answer some questions.
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You've already established that it is rare through your countdown. No need to bold it. I don't have a link. But maybe we can get past that talking point at least.tonifig8 said:
"The former secretary of state holds a rare press conference to condemn Trump for his trash talk about generals"mrussel1 said:CLINTON PRESS CONFERENCE THIS MORNING
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clinton-trump-national-security-forum-fallout-227884
Moveon.org... anyone remember why that site was created? I think it's time to do so.
I wonder if she realized that she needs to change up her strategy, considering she's neck and neck with a Bigot. Not only a Bigot, but probably the most uninformed public figure who has ever ran for office! Yes, even worse then Sarah P.
Do you have a link to this interview? It was on the tarmac, right? - Glad to see that she's starting to answer some questions.0 -
A talking point? You posted in all caps - Just thought I'd play along with you, can't let you hog up all the fun.mrussel1 said:
You've already established that it is rare through your countdown. No need to bold it. I don't have a link. But maybe we can get past that talking point at least.tonifig8 said:
"The former secretary of state holds a rare press conference to condemn Trump for his trash talk about generals"mrussel1 said:CLINTON PRESS CONFERENCE THIS MORNING
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clinton-trump-national-security-forum-fallout-227884
Moveon.org... anyone remember why that site was created? I think it's time to do so.
I wonder if she realized that she needs to change up her strategy, considering she's neck and neck with a Bigot. Not only a Bigot, but probably the most uninformed public figure who has ever ran for office! Yes, even worse then Sarah P.
Do you have a link to this interview? It was on the tarmac, right? - Glad to see that she's starting to answer some questions.
We'll get past it once we see more of it. She basically talked about Trump's town hall - Which was hardly a press conference because it's just like her tweeting about him. One liners about a bigot, nothing new. We already know he's unqualified and a loose cannon.
A little advice for her- skip the trash talking about trump, he can continue to dig his own ditch, and start talking about yourself, Hillary - Perhaps that will help voters with their perception of her. We need her to answer more questions and to clear things up for us. Right now she's polling at GWB numbers. That's not good, we all know how that turned out.
“Her people have been trying to pin it on me,” he told People magazine in August. “She was using [the private email server] for a year before I sent her a memo telling her what I did”, said Colin Powell.
You see ... we need more answers... We need to somehow find an ounce of trust in her. Hopefully she steps up her game like every other candidate and does some real press conferences to help us find some trust in her. Seems fair enough.0 -
Do you have a question for Hillary? What specifically would you ask her if you were on the tarmac and had the opportunity to ask her a question or questions? Or if the press would do it for you, what would you have them ask her?tonifig8 said:
A talking point? You posted in all caps - Just thought I'd play along with you, can't let you hog up all the fun.mrussel1 said:
You've already established that it is rare through your countdown. No need to bold it. I don't have a link. But maybe we can get past that talking point at least.tonifig8 said:
"The former secretary of state holds a rare press conference to condemn Trump for his trash talk about generals"mrussel1 said:CLINTON PRESS CONFERENCE THIS MORNING
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clinton-trump-national-security-forum-fallout-227884
Moveon.org... anyone remember why that site was created? I think it's time to do so.
I wonder if she realized that she needs to change up her strategy, considering she's neck and neck with a Bigot. Not only a Bigot, but probably the most uninformed public figure who has ever ran for office! Yes, even worse then Sarah P.
Do you have a link to this interview? It was on the tarmac, right? - Glad to see that she's starting to answer some questions.
We'll get past it once we see more of it. She basically talked about Trump's town hall - Which was hardly a press conference because it's just like her tweeting about him. One liners about a bigot, nothing new. We already know he's unqualified and a loose cannon.
A little advice for her- skip the trash talking about trump, he can continue to dig his own ditch, and start talking about yourself, Hillary - Perhaps that will help voters with their perception of her. We need her to answer more questions and to clear things up for us. Right now she's polling at GWB numbers. That's not good, we all know how that turned out.
“Her people have been trying to pin it on me,” he told People magazine in August. “She was using [the private email server] for a year before I sent her a memo telling her what I did”, said Colin Powell.
You see ... we need more answers... We need to somehow find an ounce of trust in her. Hopefully she steps up her game like every other candidate and does some real press conferences to help us find some trust in her. Seems fair enough.
Her policy positions are on her website: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/home/
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We came out of the white house dead broke and in debt
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