Kaepernick

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dignin said:

I think what he did was admirable. It took huge balls. He is risking his career and reputation to stand up for something he believes in. I know I probably wouldn't have the guts to do the same thing.

His career was basically over regardless and his reputation was garbage to begin with.

This was nothing more than a loser being a loser. As I said... if he gets involved and puts his money where his mouth is after he no longer has an NFL job... I'll pay my respect. Until such a time... I stand behind what I've said.

Why no BLM wristbands or patches or stickers on his uniform? To me... that would have been significant. I think I know why though. Fines. Money out of pocket. Far less costly to sit during the national anthem than to play with a symbol of your beliefs on your helmet.

Yes, stand up, shut up and get in line, boy, otherwise you're a loser. And never use your platform to stand up for something you believe it.

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Cliffy6745 said:

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dignin said:

I think what he did was admirable. It took huge balls. He is risking his career and reputation to stand up for something he believes in. I know I probably wouldn't have the guts to do the same thing.

His career was basically over regardless and his reputation was garbage to begin with.

This was nothing more than a loser being a loser. As I said... if he gets involved and puts his money where his mouth is after he no longer has an NFL job... I'll pay my respect. Until such a time... I stand behind what I've said.

Why no BLM wristbands or patches or stickers on his uniform? To me... that would have been significant. I think I know why though. Fines. Money out of pocket. Far less costly to sit during the national anthem than to play with a symbol of your beliefs on your helmet.

Yes, stand up, shut up and get in line, boy, otherwise you're a loser. And never use your platform to stand up for something you believe it.

That's not what I've said.

I've said don't shit all over one platform to promote yours.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the very concept of protesting, shitting on a platform?

Free said:

I love how the real reason for him sitting is entirely lost on all.

http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/stan-verrett-on-kaepernick-lets-pay-as-much-attention-1785928720

I've heard from people close to Kaepernick that he fully expected to be released by the 49ers once everyone became aware of his actions, and he also knew his football career would be in jeopardy. I've also been told Kaepernick would then dedicate his life to one of social activism.


http://www.complex.com/sports/2016/08/nfl-executives-call-colin-kaepernick-traitor-compare-him-rae-carruth

Cliffy6745 said:

Someone who stands for the national anthem dicking around on their phone, drinking a beer, thinking about the rack on the lady in from of them = Respectful

Sitting for the national anthem because you have issues with the current climate in the country but also express your opinions on the issues and gratitude for the military well = Disrespectful

no those fuckers are disrespectful as well.

i hope he makes the team because i want to see the shit storm when he doesn't stand for the national anthem on 9/11. as a New Yorker Cliffy will that be ok with you?

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Cliffy6745 said:

Someone who stands for the national anthem dicking around on their phone, drinking a beer, thinking about the rack on the lady in from of them = Respectful

Sitting for the national anthem because you have issues with the current climate in the country but also express your opinions on the issues and gratitude for the military well = Disrespectful

no those fuckers are disrespectful as well.

i hope he makes the team because i want to see the shit storm when he doesn't stand for the national anthem on 9/11. as a New Yorker Cliffy will that be ok with you?

pjhawks said:

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Cliffy6745 said:

Someone who stands for the national anthem dicking around on their phone, drinking a beer, thinking about the rack on the lady in from of them = Respectful

Sitting for the national anthem because you have issues with the current climate in the country but also express your opinions on the issues and gratitude for the military well = Disrespectful

no those fuckers are disrespectful as well.

i hope he makes the team because i want to see the shit storm when he doesn't stand for the national anthem on 9/11. as a New Yorker Cliffy will that be ok with you?

Solid and interesting question. I have to think about it. As mentioned, I am not one for manufactured symbolism, but that day is different and perhaps a day that we all understand that and put aside our differences like we did in the days after that day. Perhaps use that day as an example of a time we came together regardless of race, gender, and even to an extent religion.

I am not here saying he or any other protester is above criticism. I never have. Just like I have the right to bash that numb nut, Schilling. My point is largely that he is not being disrespectful to the military in how he is bringing attention to a very real problem.

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Cliffy6745 said:

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dignin said:

I think what he did was admirable. It took huge balls. He is risking his career and reputation to stand up for something he believes in. I know I probably wouldn't have the guts to do the same thing.

His career was basically over regardless and his reputation was garbage to begin with.

This was nothing more than a loser being a loser. As I said... if he gets involved and puts his money where his mouth is after he no longer has an NFL job... I'll pay my respect. Until such a time... I stand behind what I've said.

Why no BLM wristbands or patches or stickers on his uniform? To me... that would have been significant. I think I know why though. Fines. Money out of pocket. Far less costly to sit during the national anthem than to play with a symbol of your beliefs on your helmet.

Yes, stand up, shut up and get in line, boy, otherwise you're a loser. And never use your platform to stand up for something you believe it.

That's not what I've said.

I've said don't shit all over one platform to promote yours.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the very concept of protesting, shitting on a platform?

Well in this case... misdirected.

Did you see what I had written regarding his refrain from using his visibility to promote his cause with arm bands or helmet stickers?

Seems to me could have made his statement in bold and dramatic fashion without being so disrespectful... albeit at a cost. I guess he thought his money was more important though- better to snub the anthem and disrespect those that should be honoured instead of making any personal sacrifice for his deeply rooted values (Tillman gave his life for his beliefs).

But with any form of protest isn't the most controversial, while still peaceful, that gets the most attention?

InHiding80 said:

I'm gray on this issue unlike both sides. Yes, he's right about how corrupt Americans are of late but you can love the country even if you hate corrupt people that run it. I would just explain that I support the country in a press conference but disagree with corrupt individuals like Trumpary raping this country.

That doesn't give a right for Trumphadists to diss him because:

In fairness to Trump, he ate a deep dish pizza at Lou Malnati's the afternoon of this picture and had a serious case of the Lou's....resulting in his being on the toilet all day.

Kap stinks now & I question his timing.
If he does go on to become a legitimate activist I am happy to take back this judgement and clap for him.

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InHiding80 said:

I'm gray on this issue unlike both sides. Yes, he's right about how corrupt Americans are of late but you can love the country even if you hate corrupt people that run it. I would just explain that I support the country in a press conference but disagree with corrupt individuals like Trumpary raping this country.

That doesn't give a right for Trumphadists to diss him because:

In fairness to Trump, he ate a deep dish pizza at Lou Malnati's the afternoon of this picture and had a serious case of the Lou's....resulting in his being on the toilet all day.

Kap stinks now & I question his timing.
If he does go on to become a legitimate activist I am happy to take back this judgement and clap for him.

You can tell he's cutting one right in that moment.

Poor guy.