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  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,960
    Tommie Smith and John Carlos made an even more powerful statement during the national anthem at the '68 Olympics. History has shown it to be a positive event.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    dignin said:

    I think what he did was admirable. It took huge balls. He is risking his career and reputation to stand up for something he believes in. I know I probably wouldn't have the guts to do the same thing.

    His career was basically over regardless and his reputation was garbage to begin with.

    This was nothing more than a loser being a loser. As I said... if he gets involved and puts his money where his mouth is after he no longer has an NFL job... I'll pay my respect. Until such a time... I stand behind what I've said.

    Why no BLM wristbands or patches or stickers on his uniform? To me... that would have been significant. I think I know why though. Fines. Money out of pocket. Far less costly to sit during the national anthem than to play with a symbol of your beliefs on your helmet.
    Yes, stand up, shut up and get in line, boy, otherwise you're a loser. And never use your platform to stand up for something you believe it.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Cliffy6745 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    dignin said:

    I think what he did was admirable. It took huge balls. He is risking his career and reputation to stand up for something he believes in. I know I probably wouldn't have the guts to do the same thing.

    His career was basically over regardless and his reputation was garbage to begin with.

    This was nothing more than a loser being a loser. As I said... if he gets involved and puts his money where his mouth is after he no longer has an NFL job... I'll pay my respect. Until such a time... I stand behind what I've said.

    Why no BLM wristbands or patches or stickers on his uniform? To me... that would have been significant. I think I know why though. Fines. Money out of pocket. Far less costly to sit during the national anthem than to play with a symbol of your beliefs on your helmet.
    Yes, stand up, shut up and get in line, boy, otherwise you're a loser. And never use your platform to stand up for something you believe it.
    That's not what I've said.

    I've said don't shit all over one platform to promote yours.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    dignin said:

    I think what he did was admirable. It took huge balls. He is risking his career and reputation to stand up for something he believes in. I know I probably wouldn't have the guts to do the same thing.

  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    eddiec said:

    Tommie Smith and John Carlos made an even more powerful statement during the national anthem at the '68 Olympics. History has shown it to be a positive event.

    I'm fairly certain history won't be that kind to Kap. There's really no comparison.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    dignin said:

    I think what he did was admirable. It took huge balls. He is risking his career and reputation to stand up for something he believes in. I know I probably wouldn't have the guts to do the same thing.

    His career was basically over regardless and his reputation was garbage to begin with.

    This was nothing more than a loser being a loser. As I said... if he gets involved and puts his money where his mouth is after he no longer has an NFL job... I'll pay my respect. Until such a time... I stand behind what I've said.

    Why no BLM wristbands or patches or stickers on his uniform? To me... that would have been significant. I think I know why though. Fines. Money out of pocket. Far less costly to sit during the national anthem than to play with a symbol of your beliefs on your helmet.
    Yes, stand up, shut up and get in line, boy, otherwise you're a loser. And never use your platform to stand up for something you believe it.
    That's not what I've said.

    I've said don't shit all over one platform to promote yours.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the very concept of protesting, shitting on a platform?
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    I love how the real reason for him sitting is entirely lost on all.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Free said:

    I love how the real reason for him sitting is entirely lost on all.

    http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/stan-verrett-on-kaepernick-lets-pay-as-much-attention-1785928720
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Free said:

    I love how the real reason for him sitting is entirely lost on all.

    Unless you're actually Kaepernick, how would you know his motivation. I don't believe for a second he's sincere. He's grasping at his final chance for publicity before he's banished to obscurity for being a shitty quarterback.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    I've heard from people close to Kaepernick that he fully expected to be released by the 49ers once everyone became aware of his actions, and he also knew his football career would be in jeopardy. I've also been told Kaepernick would then dedicate his life to one of social activism.


    http://www.complex.com/sports/2016/08/nfl-executives-call-colin-kaepernick-traitor-compare-him-rae-carruth
  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    Free said:

    I love how the real reason for him sitting is entirely lost on all.

    Why make a generalized statement without enlightening us with your wisdom?
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    we will find a way, we will find our place
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,940
    Cliffy6745 said:

    Someone who stands for the national anthem dicking around on their phone, drinking a beer, thinking about the rack on the lady in from of them = Respectful

    Sitting for the national anthem because you have issues with the current climate in the country but also express your opinions on the issues and gratitude for the military well = Disrespectful

    no those fuckers are disrespectful as well.

    i hope he makes the team because i want to see the shit storm when he doesn't stand for the national anthem on 9/11. as a New Yorker Cliffy will that be ok with you?
  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    edited August 2016
    I'm gray on this issue unlike both sides. Yes, he's right about how corrupt Americans are of late but you can love the country even if you hate corrupt people that run it. I would just explain that I support the country in a press conference but disagree with corrupt individuals like Trumpary raping this country.

    That doesn't give a right for Trumphadists to diss him because:

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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    edited August 2016
    pjhawks said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Someone who stands for the national anthem dicking around on their phone, drinking a beer, thinking about the rack on the lady in from of them = Respectful

    Sitting for the national anthem because you have issues with the current climate in the country but also express your opinions on the issues and gratitude for the military well = Disrespectful

    no those fuckers are disrespectful as well.

    i hope he makes the team because i want to see the shit storm when he doesn't stand for the national anthem on 9/11. as a New Yorker Cliffy will that be ok with you?
    pjhawks said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Someone who stands for the national anthem dicking around on their phone, drinking a beer, thinking about the rack on the lady in from of them = Respectful

    Sitting for the national anthem because you have issues with the current climate in the country but also express your opinions on the issues and gratitude for the military well = Disrespectful

    no those fuckers are disrespectful as well.

    i hope he makes the team because i want to see the shit storm when he doesn't stand for the national anthem on 9/11. as a New Yorker Cliffy will that be ok with you?
    Solid and interesting question. I have to think about it. As mentioned, I am not one for manufactured symbolism, but that day is different and perhaps a day that we all understand that and put aside our differences like we did in the days after that day. Perhaps use that day as an example of a time we came together regardless of race, gender, and even to an extent religion.

    I am not here saying he or any other protester is above criticism. I never have. Just like I have the right to bash that numb nut, Schilling. My point is largely that he is not being disrespectful to the military in how he is bringing attention to a very real problem.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Cliffy6745 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    dignin said:

    I think what he did was admirable. It took huge balls. He is risking his career and reputation to stand up for something he believes in. I know I probably wouldn't have the guts to do the same thing.

    His career was basically over regardless and his reputation was garbage to begin with.

    This was nothing more than a loser being a loser. As I said... if he gets involved and puts his money where his mouth is after he no longer has an NFL job... I'll pay my respect. Until such a time... I stand behind what I've said.

    Why no BLM wristbands or patches or stickers on his uniform? To me... that would have been significant. I think I know why though. Fines. Money out of pocket. Far less costly to sit during the national anthem than to play with a symbol of your beliefs on your helmet.
    Yes, stand up, shut up and get in line, boy, otherwise you're a loser. And never use your platform to stand up for something you believe it.
    That's not what I've said.

    I've said don't shit all over one platform to promote yours.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the very concept of protesting, shitting on a platform?
    Well in this case... misdirected.

    Did you see what I had written regarding his refrain from using his visibility to promote his cause with arm bands or helmet stickers?

    Seems to me could have made his statement in bold and dramatic fashion without being so disrespectful... albeit at a cost. I guess he thought his money was more important though- better to snub the anthem and disrespect those that should be honoured instead of making any personal sacrifice for his deeply rooted values (Tillman gave his life for his beliefs).
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,960
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    dignin said:

    I think what he did was admirable. It took huge balls. He is risking his career and reputation to stand up for something he believes in. I know I probably wouldn't have the guts to do the same thing.

    His career was basically over regardless and his reputation was garbage to begin with.

    This was nothing more than a loser being a loser. As I said... if he gets involved and puts his money where his mouth is after he no longer has an NFL job... I'll pay my respect. Until such a time... I stand behind what I've said.

    Why no BLM wristbands or patches or stickers on his uniform? To me... that would have been significant. I think I know why though. Fines. Money out of pocket. Far less costly to sit during the national anthem than to play with a symbol of your beliefs on your helmet.
    Yes, stand up, shut up and get in line, boy, otherwise you're a loser. And never use your platform to stand up for something you believe it.
    That's not what I've said.

    I've said don't shit all over one platform to promote yours.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the very concept of protesting, shitting on a platform?
    Well in this case... misdirected.

    Did you see what I had written regarding his refrain from using his visibility to promote his cause with arm bands or helmet stickers?

    Seems to me could have made his statement in bold and dramatic fashion without being so disrespectful... albeit at a cost. I guess he thought his money was more important though- better to snub the anthem and disrespect those that should be honoured instead of making any personal sacrifice for his deeply rooted values (Tillman gave his life for his beliefs).
    But with any form of protest isn't the most controversial, while still peaceful, that gets the most attention?

  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    eddiec said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    dignin said:

    I think what he did was admirable. It took huge balls. He is risking his career and reputation to stand up for something he believes in. I know I probably wouldn't have the guts to do the same thing.

    His career was basically over regardless and his reputation was garbage to begin with.

    This was nothing more than a loser being a loser. As I said... if he gets involved and puts his money where his mouth is after he no longer has an NFL job... I'll pay my respect. Until such a time... I stand behind what I've said.

    Why no BLM wristbands or patches or stickers on his uniform? To me... that would have been significant. I think I know why though. Fines. Money out of pocket. Far less costly to sit during the national anthem than to play with a symbol of your beliefs on your helmet.
    Yes, stand up, shut up and get in line, boy, otherwise you're a loser. And never use your platform to stand up for something you believe it.
    That's not what I've said.

    I've said don't shit all over one platform to promote yours.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the very concept of protesting, shitting on a platform?
    Well in this case... misdirected.

    Did you see what I had written regarding his refrain from using his visibility to promote his cause with arm bands or helmet stickers?

    Seems to me could have made his statement in bold and dramatic fashion without being so disrespectful... albeit at a cost. I guess he thought his money was more important though- better to snub the anthem and disrespect those that should be honoured instead of making any personal sacrifice for his deeply rooted values (Tillman gave his life for his beliefs).
    But with any form of protest isn't the most controversial, while still peaceful, that gets the most attention?

    I agree. He picked a controversial way to protest knowing that it would get attention. That was his right. People gave him attention with negative criticism of his actions. That was their right. This seems to have played out as expected.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,836
    InHiding80 said:

    I'm gray on this issue unlike both sides. Yes, he's right about how corrupt Americans are of late but you can love the country even if you hate corrupt people that run it. I would just explain that I support the country in a press conference but disagree with corrupt individuals like Trumpary raping this country.

    That doesn't give a right for Trumphadists to diss him because:

    image

    In fairness to Trump, he ate a deep dish pizza at Lou Malnati's the afternoon of this picture and had a serious case of the Lou's....resulting in his being on the toilet all day.

    Kap stinks now & I question his timing.
    If he does go on to become a legitimate activist I am happy to take back this judgement and clap for him.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    eddiec said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    dignin said:

    I think what he did was admirable. It took huge balls. He is risking his career and reputation to stand up for something he believes in. I know I probably wouldn't have the guts to do the same thing.

    His career was basically over regardless and his reputation was garbage to begin with.

    This was nothing more than a loser being a loser. As I said... if he gets involved and puts his money where his mouth is after he no longer has an NFL job... I'll pay my respect. Until such a time... I stand behind what I've said.

    Why no BLM wristbands or patches or stickers on his uniform? To me... that would have been significant. I think I know why though. Fines. Money out of pocket. Far less costly to sit during the national anthem than to play with a symbol of your beliefs on your helmet.
    Yes, stand up, shut up and get in line, boy, otherwise you're a loser. And never use your platform to stand up for something you believe it.
    That's not what I've said.

    I've said don't shit all over one platform to promote yours.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the very concept of protesting, shitting on a platform?
    Well in this case... misdirected.

    Did you see what I had written regarding his refrain from using his visibility to promote his cause with arm bands or helmet stickers?

    Seems to me could have made his statement in bold and dramatic fashion without being so disrespectful... albeit at a cost. I guess he thought his money was more important though- better to snub the anthem and disrespect those that should be honoured instead of making any personal sacrifice for his deeply rooted values (Tillman gave his life for his beliefs).
    But with any form of protest isn't the most controversial, while still peaceful, that gets the most attention?

    I wouldn't say 'controversial' as much as I'd say 'impacfful'.

    I'd have respect for him, as I've said, if he'd have stuck a BLM sticker on the side of his helmet versus crapping on his country and the services of those that died trying to make it great.

    The image of him under center with a BLM sticker on the side of his helmet could have been iconic. The image of a brooding washout sitting during the national anthem represents a cheap ploy and a call for attention (more to him than to the cause in my opinion).
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    F Me In The Brain said:

    InHiding80 said:

    I'm gray on this issue unlike both sides. Yes, he's right about how corrupt Americans are of late but you can love the country even if you hate corrupt people that run it. I would just explain that I support the country in a press conference but disagree with corrupt individuals like Trumpary raping this country.

    That doesn't give a right for Trumphadists to diss him because:

    image

    In fairness to Trump, he ate a deep dish pizza at Lou Malnati's the afternoon of this picture and had a serious case of the Lou's....resulting in his being on the toilet all day.

    Kap stinks now & I question his timing.
    If he does go on to become a legitimate activist I am happy to take back this judgement and clap for him.
    You can tell he's cutting one right in that moment.

    Poor guy.
    "My brain's a good brain!"

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