Hillary won more votes for President
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No worries man. I competley understand where you're coming from. I've heard it many times. However I've been granted this tremendous privilege and responsibility to vote. If I cast my vote for Clinton I would be ashamed of myself. I would also be contributing to a society that accepts this type of corruption and unethical behavior just so that the elitist can maintain their power.gimmesometruth27 said:i apologize if it appears that i am jumping your shit toni. i wasn't. i have always liked you and respected your opinions. i just think it would be a terrible decision to siphon votes from hillary because you are giving the white house to trump, which will be infinitely worse than hillary, and nothing like bernie or jill stein.
Trump is horrible candidate in my opinion and I would hate for him to represent our country, however if he wins it wouldn't be my fault. It would be the democrats and their shady practices fault. Trump doesn't have the gop's loyalty - meaning people who vote on the right aren't going to come out for him just because he's the candidate. The party is just as devided as the democrats. Turn out will reflect that. Our country needs a transformation and if that transformation is Trump than that just means we need to keep fighting And working this until we get it right.
This revolution is about making real change. That real change is not electing Clinton or Trump.Post edited by Boxes&Books on0 -
do what your conscience tells you to do. just know that voting for someone other than clinton this time is giving the keys to the white house to trump and his goons.tonifig8 said:
No worries man. I competley understand where you're coming from. I've heard it many times. However I've been granted this tremendous privilege and responsibility to vote. If I cast my vote for Clinton I would be ashamed of myself. I would also be contributing to a society that accepts this type of corruption and unethical behavior just so that the elitist can maintain their power.gimmesometruth27 said:i apologize if it appears that i am jumping your shit toni. i wasn't. i have always liked you and respected your opinions. i just think it would be a terrible decision to siphon votes from hillary because you are giving the white house to trump, which will be infinitely worse than hillary, and nothing like bernie or jill stein.
Trump is horrible candidate in my opinion and I would hate for him to represent our country, however if he wins it wouldn't be my fault. It would be the democrats and their shady practices fault. Trump doesn't have the gop's loyalty - meaning people who vote on the right aren't going to come out for him just because he's the candidate. The party is just as decided as the democrats. Turn out will reflect that. Our country needs a transformation and if that transformation is Trump than that just means we need to keep fighting until for our country until we get it right.
This revolution is about making real change. That real change is not electing Clinton or Trump.
sorry to say but i have a feeling all of you will have a much guiltier conscience in 10 years if that happens, but hey, i won't have to worry about mine. i will sleep well knowing i actually voted against that asshole trump and my vote counted.
who is to say that hillary, when elected, will not give bernie a prominent spot in her cabinet? what happens then?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
This isn't about Bernie man. This is about taking a stand against the establishment. There are so many issues involved here, so many other detailed factors that we're fighting for. It's not about Sanders - it's about removing the cancer from our politics, it certainly won't happen over night. However this is the perfect moment in time where their is this giant transformation occurring. Where millennials are taking command of this country. All the information that is being leaked and all this exposure is a moment we must seize because next time around they won't be communicating via emails or electronically, they'll be meeting on the tarmac of an airport, doing everything possible to protect their secrets.gimmesometruth27 said:
do what your conscience tells you to do. just know that voting for someone other than clinton this time is giving the keys to the white house to trump and his goons.tonifig8 said:
No worries man. I competley understand where you're coming from. I've heard it many times. However I've been granted this tremendous privilege and responsibility to vote. If I cast my vote for Clinton I would be ashamed of myself. I would also be contributing to a society that accepts this type of corruption and unethical behavior just so that the elitist can maintain their power.gimmesometruth27 said:i apologize if it appears that i am jumping your shit toni. i wasn't. i have always liked you and respected your opinions. i just think it would be a terrible decision to siphon votes from hillary because you are giving the white house to trump, which will be infinitely worse than hillary, and nothing like bernie or jill stein.
Trump is horrible candidate in my opinion and I would hate for him to represent our country, however if he wins it wouldn't be my fault. It would be the democrats and their shady practices fault. Trump doesn't have the gop's loyalty - meaning people who vote on the right aren't going to come out for him just because he's the candidate. The party is just as decided as the democrats. Turn out will reflect that. Our country needs a transformation and if that transformation is Trump than that just means we need to keep fighting until for our country until we get it right.
This revolution is about making real change. That real change is not electing Clinton or Trump.
sorry to say but i have a feeling all of you will have a much guiltier conscience in 10 years if that happens, but hey, i won't have to worry about mine. i will sleep well knowing i actually voted against that asshole trump and my vote counted.
who is to say that hillary, when elected, will not give bernie a prominent spot in her cabinet? what happens then?
I hear what you're saying. Completely understand.
But Trump or any president doesn't inact laws, as I'm sure you're well aware of. The struggle will continue. And yes we must vote with our conscience.
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Democratic Party Charter and Bylaws, Article 5, Section 4
"The Chairperson shall exercise impartiality and evenhandedness as between the Presidential candidates and campaigns. The Chairperson shall be responsible for ensuring that the national officers and staff of the Democratic National Committee maintain impartiality and evenhandedness during the Democratic Party Presidential nominating process.
Chairperson DWS reiterated this rule herself live on CNN- "The DNC remains neutral in this primary based on our rules."
There is plenty of evidence now proving that the Democratic National Committee, and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz personally, did not maintain impartiality and evenhandedness throughout the primary.
The DNC actively inhibited the Bernie Sanders Democratic campaign and then railroaded him into getting on board their platform with HRC. It does not get any more undemocratic that this.
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I'm one of those who have staunchly and firmly believed that there is no way I could vote for HRC (and obviously not Trump) but sadly, if when we get closer to the election time it looks like Trump has a chance to win I will have to vote for Clinton. It disturbs me to no end that I may have to cast my vote to someone I strongly do not support. I've voted in 10 presidential elections and this year's is by far the most frustrating, defeating, exasperating election I will have participated in.gimmesometruth27 said:
do what your conscience tells you to do. just know that voting for someone other than clinton this time is giving the keys to the white house to trump and his goons.tonifig8 said:
No worries man. I competley understand where you're coming from. I've heard it many times. However I've been granted this tremendous privilege and responsibility to vote. If I cast my vote for Clinton I would be ashamed of myself. I would also be contributing to a society that accepts this type of corruption and unethical behavior just so that the elitist can maintain their power.gimmesometruth27 said:i apologize if it appears that i am jumping your shit toni. i wasn't. i have always liked you and respected your opinions. i just think it would be a terrible decision to siphon votes from hillary because you are giving the white house to trump, which will be infinitely worse than hillary, and nothing like bernie or jill stein.
Trump is horrible candidate in my opinion and I would hate for him to represent our country, however if he wins it wouldn't be my fault. It would be the democrats and their shady practices fault. Trump doesn't have the gop's loyalty - meaning people who vote on the right aren't going to come out for him just because he's the candidate. The party is just as decided as the democrats. Turn out will reflect that. Our country needs a transformation and if that transformation is Trump than that just means we need to keep fighting until for our country until we get it right.
This revolution is about making real change. That real change is not electing Clinton or Trump.
sorry to say but i have a feeling all of you will have a much guiltier conscience in 10 years if that happens, but hey, i won't have to worry about mine. i will sleep well knowing i actually voted against that asshole trump and my vote counted.
who is to say that hillary, when elected, will not give bernie a prominent spot in her cabinet? what happens then?
As much as I loath to admit it, because a Trump presidency is basically unthinkable, I may find myself voting for a presidency that, though not as horrific as a Trump presidency, would certainly be- to put it mildly- repugnant.
I'm very much hoping 2020 is nothing like this election year."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
How about if someone wins, it's because she (or he) wins? Why is it someone else's fault? Why can't it just be that one candidate ran a better campaign than another? Isn't that how it works in football?tonifig8 said:
No worries man. I competley understand where you're coming from. I've heard it many times. However I've been granted this tremendous privilege and responsibility to vote. If I cast my vote for Clinton I would be ashamed of myself. I would also be contributing to a society that accepts this type of corruption and unethical behavior just so that the elitist can maintain their power.gimmesometruth27 said:i apologize if it appears that i am jumping your shit toni. i wasn't. i have always liked you and respected your opinions. i just think it would be a terrible decision to siphon votes from hillary because you are giving the white house to trump, which will be infinitely worse than hillary, and nothing like bernie or jill stein.
Trump is horrible candidate in my opinion and I would hate for him to represent our country, however if he wins it wouldn't be my fault. It would be the democrats and their shady practices fault. Trump doesn't have the gop's loyalty - meaning people who vote on the right aren't going to come out for him just because he's the candidate. The party is just as devided as the democrats. Turn out will reflect that. Our country needs a transformation and if that transformation is Trump than that just means we need to keep fighting And working this until we get it right.
This revolution is about making real change. That real change is not electing Clinton or Trump.
For goodness sakes, if people want to vote for Stein or Johnson, so be it. We will see in Nov where the votes go. It's none of our damn business who people vote for, and if Hillary loses, I won't even give the revolution freaks that much power by blaming them. She will lose if she runs a shitty campaign. She will win if she runs a great campaign.
Today's roll out of Kaine was spectacular sign of good things to come. I'm not one bit worried about the fringe, and if I may be so bold, I don't think Hillary is either.Post edited by what dreams on0 -
Tim Kaine kills it in his first speech. Did anyone else see it?0
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I thought he was amazing. Very impressive. Everything my brother in VA said - I wish I could find the email from years ago. My brother said something like, "Keep your eye on Kaine. He's the real deal."mrussel1 said:Tim Kaine kills it in his first speech. Did anyone else see it?
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I really think you are either underestimating Trump or overestimating the American public.Degeneratefk said:You're correct that her VP pick is irrelevant. But not for the reason you think. Clinton could have picked OJ Simpson and she will still beat the donald. He has no chance.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Yes, I loved it.Enkidu said:
I thought he was amazing. Very impressive. Everything my brother in VA said - I wish I could find the email from years ago. My brother said something like, "Keep your eye on Kaine. He's the real deal."mrussel1 said:Tim Kaine kills it in his first speech. Did anyone else see it?
I think what I love the most is that he's living proof that we can care for and work for and champion the less privileged without promising them truckloads of free stuff.0 -
US election: Do 'lock her up' chants mark a new low?
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36860740?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook0 -
I think the disparaging of opponents (need I say, regardless of party?) is a low, period. That shit is just ugly, childish too.
Show me your strengths, tell me what you want to accomplish and how - not the perceived weaknesses of those against whom you're running.
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What do you guys think of these statements by Michael Moore? http://time.com/4420424/hillary-clinton-tim-kaine-running-mate-reaction/what dreams said:
Yes, I loved it.Enkidu said:
I thought he was amazing. Very impressive. Everything my brother in VA said - I wish I could find the email from years ago. My brother said something like, "Keep your eye on Kaine. He's the real deal."mrussel1 said:Tim Kaine kills it in his first speech. Did anyone else see it?
I think what I love the most is that he's living proof that we can care for and work for and champion the less privileged without promising them truckloads of free stuff.
Show me 1 voter gained by naming Tim Kaine. Att'n Hillary campaign: It's not Trump who'll beat u. It's the people who are going to stay home
Tim Kaine. Sigh. Trying to win votes from a middle that's no longer there. Shows old political thinking. Trump picked VP to excite the base
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Blaming others? In this case you have loads of corruption and undemocratic practices. What rock have you been living under? Yes, people can vote for who them damn well choose to vote for, who's telling you not to vote for said candidate? What's astonishing here is that there is so many red flags surrounding Clinton and Trump, yet people don't give a shit about it. Like Trump said he could shoot someone and people will still vote for him. That's crazy, but so true. Just like it is with Clinton. It's fucking moronic, but true.what dreams said:
How about if someone wins, it's because she (or he) wins? Why is it someone else's fault? Why can't it just be that one candidate ran a better campaign than another? Isn't that how it works in football?tonifig8 said:
No worries man. I competley understand where you're coming from. I've heard it many times. However I've been granted this tremendous privilege and responsibility to vote. If I cast my vote for Clinton I would be ashamed of myself. I would also be contributing to a society that accepts this type of corruption and unethical behavior just so that the elitist can maintain their power.gimmesometruth27 said:i apologize if it appears that i am jumping your shit toni. i wasn't. i have always liked you and respected your opinions. i just think it would be a terrible decision to siphon votes from hillary because you are giving the white house to trump, which will be infinitely worse than hillary, and nothing like bernie or jill stein.
Trump is horrible candidate in my opinion and I would hate for him to represent our country, however if he wins it wouldn't be my fault. It would be the democrats and their shady practices fault. Trump doesn't have the gop's loyalty - meaning people who vote on the right aren't going to come out for him just because he's the candidate. The party is just as devided as the democrats. Turn out will reflect that. Our country needs a transformation and if that transformation is Trump than that just means we need to keep fighting And working this until we get it right.
This revolution is about making real change. That real change is not electing Clinton or Trump.
For goodness sakes, if people want to vote for Stein or Johnson, so be it. We will see in Nov where the votes go. It's none of our damn business who people vote for, and if Hillary loses, I won't even give the revolution freaks that much power by blaming them. She will lose if she runs a shitty campaign. She will win if she runs a great campaign.
Today's roll out of Kaine was spectacular sign of good things to come. I'm not one bit worried about the fringe, and if I may be so bold, I don't think Hillary is either.
Tim Kaine brings some stability to the recklessness that has been her candidacy. Even though you guys are claiming he's all about the people, he still has his issues. What the DNC should have done is put out a candidate who wasn't so damn corrupt and filled with so many fucking issues and we wouldn't be in this situation trying to defend democracy. Instead we're here talking about all this bullshit surrounding HRC. This is legitimate bullshit not some damn conspiracy.
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Kaine, another coal man. Not impressed.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
What do you guys think of these statements by Michael Moore? http://time.com/4420424/hillary-clinton-tim-kaine-running-mate-reaction/what dreams said:
Yes, I loved it.Enkidu said:
I thought he was amazing. Very impressive. Everything my brother in VA said - I wish I could find the email from years ago. My brother said something like, "Keep your eye on Kaine. He's the real deal."mrussel1 said:Tim Kaine kills it in his first speech. Did anyone else see it?
I think what I love the most is that he's living proof that we can care for and work for and champion the less privileged without promising them truckloads of free stuff.
Show me 1 voter gained by naming Tim Kaine. Att'n Hillary campaign: It's not Trump who'll beat u. It's the people who are going to stay home
Tim Kaine. Sigh. Trying to win votes from a middle that's no longer there. Shows old political thinking. Trump picked VP to excite the base"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I think he's wrong. Virginia is now a lock to start. Catholics will support him as well, which is important in Ohio and PA. But that's just a start.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
What do you guys think of these statements by Michael Moore? http://time.com/4420424/hillary-clinton-tim-kaine-running-mate-reaction/what dreams said:
Yes, I loved it.Enkidu said:
I thought he was amazing. Very impressive. Everything my brother in VA said - I wish I could find the email from years ago. My brother said something like, "Keep your eye on Kaine. He's the real deal."mrussel1 said:Tim Kaine kills it in his first speech. Did anyone else see it?
I think what I love the most is that he's living proof that we can care for and work for and champion the less privileged without promising them truckloads of free stuff.
Show me 1 voter gained by naming Tim Kaine. Att'n Hillary campaign: It's not Trump who'll beat u. It's the people who are going to stay home
Tim Kaine. Sigh. Trying to win votes from a middle that's no longer there. Shows old political thinking. Trump picked VP to excite the base0 -
Michael Moore?? Oh my god, people. Please. He's interesting to listen to when he occasionally makes a movie that very few people watch. If you've seen one, you've seen them all. Just tell me what the topic is, and I can narrate it for you. Michael Moore is hardly in any position to understand middle America because he never hangs out here. We haven't gone anywhere, and if it seems like we don't exist, it's because all the loud mouth leftists are too busy drumming their racket to the delight of all the new media outlets. You have to be a loud mouth to get any attention these days and middle America is too busy working to put food on the table to compete with the Michael Moore wing of the world.
Trump picked a VP to excite a base because those are the only people who will vote for him.
Hillary picked a VP who is qualified to run our country if something happens to her. I just watched the entire Tim Kaine speech in Miami. If Michael Moore listened to that same speech and still can't get excited about Tim Kaine, then he's a bigger knucklehead than I thought.0 -
No, im not. Trump can't win without the minority votes. And the last time I checked, hes got none of them .PJ_Soul said:
I really think you are either underestimating Trump or overestimating the American public.Degeneratefk said:You're correct that her VP pick is irrelevant. But not for the reason you think. Clinton could have picked OJ Simpson and she will still beat the donald. He has no chance.
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Exactly how many people does it take to tell you that Trump won't win before it sinks in??PJ_Soul said:
I really think you are either underestimating Trump or overestimating the American public.Degeneratefk said:You're correct that her VP pick is irrelevant. But not for the reason you think. Clinton could have picked OJ Simpson and she will still beat the donald. He has no chance.
You're grossly overestimating his potential.0 -
Candidates always get a little boost after the convention.Free said:
Exactly how many people does it take to tell you that Trump won't win before it sinks in??PJ_Soul said:
I really think you are either underestimating Trump or overestimating the American public.Degeneratefk said:You're correct that her VP pick is irrelevant. But not for the reason you think. Clinton could have picked OJ Simpson and she will still beat the donald. He has no chance.
You're grossly overestimating his potential.will myself to find a home, a home within myself
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