This isn't even about Clinton what Tonifig and I are asking, so please stay on track. What's the deal with needing to defend, excuse, and apologize for Clinton? What's your deal Clinton defenders??
This isn't even about Clinton what Tonifig and I are asking, so please stay on track. What's the deal with needing to defend, excuse, and apologize for Clinton? What's your deal Clinton defenders??
When you bring up real substantive issues, I have no problem. When you bring up crazy tin foil hat conspiracy allegations with zero evidence, well, I feel the need to call you out on that BS. I do the same on every issue and thread I engage in. If that makes me an apologist, because I believe in facts and evidence....well I'm happy to be in camp apologist.
My god, are you people being this thick just to type more responses?
What cliffy was saying makes perfect sense to people that don't think everything is a conspiracy. Correct me if I'm wrong cliffy, but you said YOU WANT TO SEE HER DO A PRESS CONFERENCE. But you also know that IT IS NOT REQUIRED SO WHY SHOULD SHE?
That's not a contradiction. Think people.
Having a press conference is a conspiracy? Who's talking conspiracies? You're defending a goddamn politician. You're suggesting that it's ok to not hold them accountable by questioning their motives or positions. Wtf is that?!? 60% of Americans see her as unfavorable- she should be out there doing everything she can to get our votes. Trump went to the lions den and answered questions in Mexico. Now I'm not saying trump is a better choice because of that, but at least he's facing the nation. Clinton has time to tweet and give speeches.... She truly must be banking on a certain group of Americans to back her no matter what, which is why she isn't out there answering questions. She must figure that she has enough zombies to win it because who the hell wants trump. Smart to play it safe, but the real losers are the American people
I'm not defending her. Just as trump is not required to release his tax returns, Clinton is not required to hold a press conference. Keep beating your heads against the wall over a press conference.
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Somehow this guy thinks it's a great thing to have mega donors finance campaigns. Even Obama, at one point, attempted to get big money out of the democratic process. But DWS and Clinton made certain to overturn that right away. I'm sure that Germ is very proud of this.
Somehow this guy thinks it's a great thing to have mega donors finance campaigns. Even Obama, at one point, attempted to get big money out of the democratic process. But DWS and Clinton made certain to overturn that right away. I'm sure that Germ is very proud of this.
I don't like it at all...but that's the way it is. Until they overturn Citizens United we're stuck with it. Your side did that...not mine.
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Somehow this guy thinks it's a great thing to have mega donors finance campaigns. Even Obama, at one point, attempted to get big money out of the democratic process. But DWS and Clinton made certain to overturn that right away. I'm sure that Germ is very proud of this.
I don't like it at all...but that's the way it is. Until they overturn Citizens United we're stuck with it. Your side did that...not mine.
My side? What's that suppose to mean? Clinton and DWS did it, even after Obama shut it down for Dems. You don't like it, but you think it's great, or important, that Bush's guy is backing Clinton? Trump is trash and no one in their right minds should be backing that moron. we don't have to be stuck with it- sanders didn't use it, Hillary could have taken the higher road, but unfortunately you guys aren't looking for the higher road- you're just making excuses for everything she does, or in the case of giving a press conference, doesn't do.
Somehow this guy thinks it's a great thing to have mega donors finance campaigns. Even Obama, at one point, attempted to get big money out of the democratic process. But DWS and Clinton made certain to overturn that right away. I'm sure that Germ is very proud of this.
I don't like it at all...but that's the way it is. Until they overturn Citizens United we're stuck with it. Your side did that...not mine.
My side? What's that suppose to mean? Clinton and DWS did it, even after Obama shut it down for Dems. You don't like it, but you think it's great, or important, that Bush's guy is backing Clinton? Trump is trash and no one in their right minds should be backing that moron. we don't have to be stuck with it- sanders didn't use it, Hillary could have taken the higher road, but unfortunately you guys aren't looking for the higher road- you're just making excuses for everything she does, or in the case of giving a press conference, doesn't do.
Sanders would be taking that money if he were the nominee. No doubt about it.
Sanders supports Clinton. That tells you all you need to know.
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^^^ Exactly. To be honest, I think this sudden obsession with HRC's lack of press conferences is downright bizarre.
Bizarre?!? Is that a joke? 9 months without real pressure from the press. Now that's bizarre. She's a politician running for the highest office in the world. She needs to be questioned over and over to demonstrate that she can handle the pressures of the job. Excusing her of this isn't fare. She's banking on her clintonites and those who fear trump to give her the presidency. 60% unfavorable is no laughing matter, but still might win her the nomination as it did for GWB who had just as bad numbers.. All Americans need to be represented here, not just a handful, and that's basically what's happening by her playing it safe and banking on you guys. Low turnout, but enough voters for her to get her the win.
The debates are one thing. She changed her position on policy during the sanders debates- so that still isn't enough pressure to get to reveal her true nature. Is she going to support ttp? Even though she was for it and than against it. - the media should be digging and digging more at these politicians in order to give us tax payers the absolute best opportunity to elect someone who has truly been vetted. Dig more at her stance on citizens United. She says she's against it now, but that wasn't the case during the campaign. We need more pressure and tough questions. That isn't a conspiracy! And if it makes her look bad oh well, we demand the truth! These people work for us! And don't you fucking forget it!
Not sure why you guys continue to defend this. She has Time for Twitter and for private events by big donors, but no time to face the majority of the population? It's a slap in the face to our democracy. And you people are only enabling these politicians
All I'm saying is that until she's the POTUS she is under no obligation to do press conferences, and with all the interviews and debates, etc, I don't really see why it is suddenly being declared an urgent need by her more fanatic detractors. Also, why now? It's been 9 months, and this press conference obsession just started like last week or something. Is it a reaction to the fact that most people don't seem furious enough about the email thing? FWIW, I'm not a Hillary supporter. I just don't think it's that big a deal that she's not doing press conferences at this stage of the game. As I said, if she carries that into the Presidency, then you have a big problem. Until then, not at all.
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^^^ Exactly. To be honest, I think this sudden obsession with HRC's lack of press conferences is downright bizarre.
Bizarre?!? Is that a joke? 9 months without real pressure from the press. Now that's bizarre. She's a politician running for the highest office in the world. She needs to be questioned over and over to demonstrate that she can handle the pressures of the job. Excusing her of this isn't fare. She's banking on her clintonites and those who fear trump to give her the presidency. 60% unfavorable is no laughing matter, but still might win her the nomination as it did for GWB who had just as bad numbers.. All Americans need to be represented here, not just a handful, and that's basically what's happening by her playing it safe and banking on you guys. Low turnout, but enough voters for her to get her the win.
The debates are one thing. She changed her position on policy during the sanders debates- so that still isn't enough pressure to get to reveal her true nature. Is she going to support ttp? Even though she was for it and than against it. - the media should be digging and digging more at these politicians in order to give us tax payers the absolute best opportunity to elect someone who has truly been vetted. Dig more at her stance on citizens United. She says she's against it now, but that wasn't the case during the campaign. We need more pressure and tough questions. That isn't a conspiracy! And if it makes her look bad oh well, we demand the truth! These people work for us! And don't you fucking forget it!
Not sure why you guys continue to defend this. She has Time for Twitter and for private events by big donors, but no time to face the majority of the population? It's a slap in the face to our democracy. And you people are only enabling these politicians
All I'm saying is that until she's the POTUS she is under no obligation to do press conferences, and with all the interviews and debates, etc, I don't really see why it is suddenly being declared an urgent need by her more fanatic detractors. Also, why now? It's been 9 months, and this press conference obsession just started like last week or something. Is it a reaction to the fact that most people don't seem furious enough about the email thing? FWIW, I'm not a Hillary supporter. I just don't think it's that big a deal that she's not doing press conferences at this stage of the game. As I said, if she carries that into the Presidency, then you have a big problem. Until then, not at all.
Are you an American who's tax dollars go towards these politicians? If not, how can you understand my frustration with these politicians who are using my tax dollars to do as they damn well please?
If she is going to become my president then I want to make sure I know who the hell she is and I want to make sure we have a strong leader who isn't going to be dodging public demands. It's that simple.
^^^ Exactly. To be honest, I think this sudden obsession with HRC's lack of press conferences is downright bizarre.
Bizarre?!? Is that a joke? 9 months without real pressure from the press. Now that's bizarre. She's a politician running for the highest office in the world. She needs to be questioned over and over to demonstrate that she can handle the pressures of the job. Excusing her of this isn't fare. She's banking on her clintonites and those who fear trump to give her the presidency. 60% unfavorable is no laughing matter, but still might win her the nomination as it did for GWB who had just as bad numbers.. All Americans need to be represented here, not just a handful, and that's basically what's happening by her playing it safe and banking on you guys. Low turnout, but enough voters for her to get her the win.
The debates are one thing. She changed her position on policy during the sanders debates- so that still isn't enough pressure to get to reveal her true nature. Is she going to support ttp? Even though she was for it and than against it. - the media should be digging and digging more at these politicians in order to give us tax payers the absolute best opportunity to elect someone who has truly been vetted. Dig more at her stance on citizens United. She says she's against it now, but that wasn't the case during the campaign. We need more pressure and tough questions. That isn't a conspiracy! And if it makes her look bad oh well, we demand the truth! These people work for us! And don't you fucking forget it!
Not sure why you guys continue to defend this. She has Time for Twitter and for private events by big donors, but no time to face the majority of the population? It's a slap in the face to our democracy. And you people are only enabling these politicians
All I'm saying is that until she's the POTUS she is under no obligation to do press conferences, and with all the interviews and debates, etc, I don't really see why it is suddenly being declared an urgent need by her more fanatic detractors. Also, why now? It's been 9 months, and this press conference obsession just started like last week or something. Is it a reaction to the fact that most people don't seem furious enough about the email thing? FWIW, I'm not a Hillary supporter. I just don't think it's that big a deal that she's not doing press conferences at this stage of the game. As I said, if she carries that into the Presidency, then you have a big problem. Until then, not at all.
Are you an American who's tax dollars go towards these politicians? If not, how can you understand my frustration with these politicians who are using my tax dollars to do as they damn well please?
If she is going to become my president then I want to make sure I know who the hell she is and I want to make sure we have a strong leader who isn't going to be dodging public demands. It's that simple.
What's wrong with the debates? She will be answering questions for 90 minutes X 3. Is that not intensive enough for you?
Yeah the press conference thing is ridiculous. Trump calls in to talk shows so that we can't see someone else feeding him info.
She'll have a press conference if she needs to have one.
The press conference is not ridiculous. Perhaps to you and the rest of the clintonites, but not to the rest of us. Is she only going to be representing you if elected? Is that what winning is all about? What's the issue with giving press conferences? Other then it might make her look bad.
trump gave a press conference in Mexico yesterday. As much as I'd like to take another shot at him, you can't deny that he stepped into the lions den and faced the public.
To keep defending a politician for not facing the press is ridiculous and lowers the bar for politicians. Imagine if we elected people based off of their stump speeches.
^^^ Exactly. To be honest, I think this sudden obsession with HRC's lack of press conferences is downright bizarre.
Bizarre?!? Is that a joke? 9 months without real pressure from the press. Now that's bizarre. She's a politician running for the highest office in the world. She needs to be questioned over and over to demonstrate that she can handle the pressures of the job. Excusing her of this isn't fare. She's banking on her clintonites and those who fear trump to give her the presidency. 60% unfavorable is no laughing matter, but still might win her the nomination as it did for GWB who had just as bad numbers.. All Americans need to be represented here, not just a handful, and that's basically what's happening by her playing it safe and banking on you guys. Low turnout, but enough voters for her to get her the win.
The debates are one thing. She changed her position on policy during the sanders debates- so that still isn't enough pressure to get to reveal her true nature. Is she going to support ttp? Even though she was for it and than against it. - the media should be digging and digging more at these politicians in order to give us tax payers the absolute best opportunity to elect someone who has truly been vetted. Dig more at her stance on citizens United. She says she's against it now, but that wasn't the case during the campaign. We need more pressure and tough questions. That isn't a conspiracy! And if it makes her look bad oh well, we demand the truth! These people work for us! And don't you fucking forget it!
Not sure why you guys continue to defend this. She has Time for Twitter and for private events by big donors, but no time to face the majority of the population? It's a slap in the face to our democracy. And you people are only enabling these politicians
All I'm saying is that until she's the POTUS she is under no obligation to do press conferences, and with all the interviews and debates, etc, I don't really see why it is suddenly being declared an urgent need by her more fanatic detractors. Also, why now? It's been 9 months, and this press conference obsession just started like last week or something. Is it a reaction to the fact that most people don't seem furious enough about the email thing? FWIW, I'm not a Hillary supporter. I just don't think it's that big a deal that she's not doing press conferences at this stage of the game. As I said, if she carries that into the Presidency, then you have a big problem. Until then, not at all.
Are you an American who's tax dollars go towards these politicians? If not, how can you understand my frustration with these politicians who are using my tax dollars to do as they damn well please?
If she is going to become my president then I want to make sure I know who the hell she is and I want to make sure we have a strong leader who isn't going to be dodging public demands. It's that simple.
Do you think that this phenomenon is exclusive to America? It doesn't exactly take a giant leap of the imagination to understand what it feels like to have tax dollars go to stupid shit politicians do (although how are your tax dollars connected to Hillary having press conferences during her campaign??). If you think non-Americans can't fully understand the situation, you're wrong.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
^^^ Exactly. To be honest, I think this sudden obsession with HRC's lack of press conferences is downright bizarre.
Bizarre?!? Is that a joke? 9 months without real pressure from the press. Now that's bizarre. She's a politician running for the highest office in the world. She needs to be questioned over and over to demonstrate that she can handle the pressures of the job. Excusing her of this isn't fare. She's banking on her clintonites and those who fear trump to give her the presidency. 60% unfavorable is no laughing matter, but still might win her the nomination as it did for GWB who had just as bad numbers.. All Americans need to be represented here, not just a handful, and that's basically what's happening by her playing it safe and banking on you guys. Low turnout, but enough voters for her to get her the win.
The debates are one thing. She changed her position on policy during the sanders debates- so that still isn't enough pressure to get to reveal her true nature. Is she going to support ttp? Even though she was for it and than against it. - the media should be digging and digging more at these politicians in order to give us tax payers the absolute best opportunity to elect someone who has truly been vetted. Dig more at her stance on citizens United. She says she's against it now, but that wasn't the case during the campaign. We need more pressure and tough questions. That isn't a conspiracy! And if it makes her look bad oh well, we demand the truth! These people work for us! And don't you fucking forget it!
Not sure why you guys continue to defend this. She has Time for Twitter and for private events by big donors, but no time to face the majority of the population? It's a slap in the face to our democracy. And you people are only enabling these politicians
All I'm saying is that until she's the POTUS she is under no obligation to do press conferences, and with all the interviews and debates, etc, I don't really see why it is suddenly being declared an urgent need by her more fanatic detractors. Also, why now? It's been 9 months, and this press conference obsession just started like last week or something. Is it a reaction to the fact that most people don't seem furious enough about the email thing? FWIW, I'm not a Hillary supporter. I just don't think it's that big a deal that she's not doing press conferences at this stage of the game. As I said, if she carries that into the Presidency, then you have a big problem. Until then, not at all.
Are you an American who's tax dollars go towards these politicians? If not, how can you understand my frustration with these politicians who are using my tax dollars to do as they damn well please?
If she is going to become my president then I want to make sure I know who the hell she is and I want to make sure we have a strong leader who isn't going to be dodging public demands. It's that simple.
What's wrong with the debates? She will be answering questions for 90 minutes X 3. Is that not intensive enough for you?
Sure it is. Of course it is. But just like she did during the sanders debates, she could very well flip flop on policy. I'm still not 100% certain where she stands on ttp. Last I heard she was for it, but was against a few things... That's a whole lot of help- (sarcasm). I've seen politicians use that play several times and once elected it was a different tune they sung. How about ciizens United? Is she going to somehow now fight to have that overturned? How can we trust her to do so, if she's not being pressured to answer questions. I'm not treating her any different then any other politician, and I think my concern regarding politicians facing scrutiny from the public/press isn't unfair. They should all do it! Not all Americans have time to sit around and follow a single debate or her stump speeches. We need information and more information. It's a good thing for our democracy and certainly a good thing to help us make a more informed decision. If a politician cracks under pressure then that would indicate said politician might not be ready for the pressures of the highest office.
^^^ Exactly. To be honest, I think this sudden obsession with HRC's lack of press conferences is downright bizarre.
Bizarre?!? Is that a joke? 9 months without real pressure from the press. Now that's bizarre. She's a politician running for the highest office in the world. She needs to be questioned over and over to demonstrate that she can handle the pressures of the job. Excusing her of this isn't fare. She's banking on her clintonites and those who fear trump to give her the presidency. 60% unfavorable is no laughing matter, but still might win her the nomination as it did for GWB who had just as bad numbers.. All Americans need to be represented here, not just a handful, and that's basically what's happening by her playing it safe and banking on you guys. Low turnout, but enough voters for her to get her the win.
The debates are one thing. She changed her position on policy during the sanders debates- so that still isn't enough pressure to get to reveal her true nature. Is she going to support ttp? Even though she was for it and than against it. - the media should be digging and digging more at these politicians in order to give us tax payers the absolute best opportunity to elect someone who has truly been vetted. Dig more at her stance on citizens United. She says she's against it now, but that wasn't the case during the campaign. We need more pressure and tough questions. That isn't a conspiracy! And if it makes her look bad oh well, we demand the truth! These people work for us! And don't you fucking forget it!
Not sure why you guys continue to defend this. She has Time for Twitter and for private events by big donors, but no time to face the majority of the population? It's a slap in the face to our democracy. And you people are only enabling these politicians
All I'm saying is that until she's the POTUS she is under no obligation to do press conferences, and with all the interviews and debates, etc, I don't really see why it is suddenly being declared an urgent need by her more fanatic detractors. Also, why now? It's been 9 months, and this press conference obsession just started like last week or something. Is it a reaction to the fact that most people don't seem furious enough about the email thing? FWIW, I'm not a Hillary supporter. I just don't think it's that big a deal that she's not doing press conferences at this stage of the game. As I said, if she carries that into the Presidency, then you have a big problem. Until then, not at all.
Are you an American who's tax dollars go towards these politicians? If not, how can you understand my frustration with these politicians who are using my tax dollars to do as they damn well please?
If she is going to become my president then I want to make sure I know who the hell she is and I want to make sure we have a strong leader who isn't going to be dodging public demands. It's that simple.
What's wrong with the debates? She will be answering questions for 90 minutes X 3. Is that not intensive enough for you?
That's not intensive enough. She must run through the 'American Ninja Warrior' gauntlet during at least one of the debates to prove she's in good health.
Yeah the press conference thing is ridiculous. Trump calls in to talk shows so that we can't see someone else feeding him info.
She'll have a press conference if she needs to have one.
The press conference is not ridiculous. Perhaps to you and the rest of the clintonites, but not to the rest of us. Is she only going to be representing you if elected? Is that what winning is all about? What's the issue with giving press conferences? Other then it might make her look bad.
trump gave a press conference in Mexico yesterday. As much as I'd like to take another shot at him, you can't deny that he stepped into the lions den and faced the public.
To keep defending a politician for not facing the press is ridiculous and lowers the bar for politicians. Imagine if we elected people based off of their stump speeches.
It is ridiculous. She appeared on 60 Minutes and other news shows and answered some tough questions. She is likely avoiding the right wing freaks in the press by not giving a "press conference."
Nothing she does will ever be good enough for you.
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
^^^ Exactly. To be honest, I think this sudden obsession with HRC's lack of press conferences is downright bizarre.
Bizarre?!? Is that a joke? 9 months without real pressure from the press. Now that's bizarre. She's a politician running for the highest office in the world. She needs to be questioned over and over to demonstrate that she can handle the pressures of the job. Excusing her of this isn't fare. She's banking on her clintonites and those who fear trump to give her the presidency. 60% unfavorable is no laughing matter, but still might win her the nomination as it did for GWB who had just as bad numbers.. All Americans need to be represented here, not just a handful, and that's basically what's happening by her playing it safe and banking on you guys. Low turnout, but enough voters for her to get her the win.
The debates are one thing. She changed her position on policy during the sanders debates- so that still isn't enough pressure to get to reveal her true nature. Is she going to support ttp? Even though she was for it and than against it. - the media should be digging and digging more at these politicians in order to give us tax payers the absolute best opportunity to elect someone who has truly been vetted. Dig more at her stance on citizens United. She says she's against it now, but that wasn't the case during the campaign. We need more pressure and tough questions. That isn't a conspiracy! And if it makes her look bad oh well, we demand the truth! These people work for us! And don't you fucking forget it!
Not sure why you guys continue to defend this. She has Time for Twitter and for private events by big donors, but no time to face the majority of the population? It's a slap in the face to our democracy. And you people are only enabling these politicians
All I'm saying is that until she's the POTUS she is under no obligation to do press conferences, and with all the interviews and debates, etc, I don't really see why it is suddenly being declared an urgent need by her more fanatic detractors. Also, why now? It's been 9 months, and this press conference obsession just started like last week or something. Is it a reaction to the fact that most people don't seem furious enough about the email thing? FWIW, I'm not a Hillary supporter. I just don't think it's that big a deal that she's not doing press conferences at this stage of the game. As I said, if she carries that into the Presidency, then you have a big problem. Until then, not at all.
Are you an American who's tax dollars go towards these politicians? If not, how can you understand my frustration with these politicians who are using my tax dollars to do as they damn well please?
If she is going to become my president then I want to make sure I know who the hell she is and I want to make sure we have a strong leader who isn't going to be dodging public demands. It's that simple.
What's wrong with the debates? She will be answering questions for 90 minutes X 3. Is that not intensive enough for you?
Sure it is. Of course it is. But just like she did during the sanders debates, she could very well flip flop on policy. I'm still not 100% certain where she stands on ttp. Last I heard she was for it, but was against a few things... That's a whole lot of help- (sarcasm). I've seen politicians use that play several times and once elected it was a different tune they sung. How about ciizens United? Is she going to somehow now fight to have that overturned? How can we trust her to do so, if she's not being pressured to answer questions. I'm not treating her any different then any other politician, and I think my concern regarding politicians facing scrutiny from the public/press isn't unfair. They should all do it! Not all Americans have time to sit around and follow a single debate or her stump speeches. We need information and more information. It's a good thing for our democracy and certainly a good thing to help us make a more informed decision. If a politician cracks under pressure then that would indicate said politician might not be ready for the pressures of the highest office.
I have a feeling these debates will be the most watched in history, so I think there will be plenty of eyeballs. So you are saying she flip flopped on TPP. But wasn't that part of the point of Bernie getting his agenda into the platform? If she adopts that, isn't that a win for the left? You've created a no win scenario for her. If she doesn't 'better represent' her constituents then she is a republican. If she moves left and adopts TPP, then she flip flops.
Regarding CU, she has NEVER once said (that I've ever seen) that she supports CU. Remember the whole CU case was about her and an anti-Hillary video. She has reinforced that she would either go for a Constitutional amendment and/or select judges who don't think corp. are people. Again, what more do you want?
^^^ Exactly. To be honest, I think this sudden obsession with HRC's lack of press conferences is downright bizarre.
Bizarre?!? Is that a joke? 9 months without real pressure from the press. Now that's bizarre. She's a politician running for the highest office in the world. She needs to be questioned over and over to demonstrate that she can handle the pressures of the job. Excusing her of this isn't fare. She's banking on her clintonites and those who fear trump to give her the presidency. 60% unfavorable is no laughing matter, but still might win her the nomination as it did for GWB who had just as bad numbers.. All Americans need to be represented here, not just a handful, and that's basically what's happening by her playing it safe and banking on you guys. Low turnout, but enough voters for her to get her the win.
The debates are one thing. She changed her position on policy during the sanders debates- so that still isn't enough pressure to get to reveal her true nature. Is she going to support ttp? Even though she was for it and than against it. - the media should be digging and digging more at these politicians in order to give us tax payers the absolute best opportunity to elect someone who has truly been vetted. Dig more at her stance on citizens United. She says she's against it now, but that wasn't the case during the campaign. We need more pressure and tough questions. That isn't a conspiracy! And if it makes her look bad oh well, we demand the truth! These people work for us! And don't you fucking forget it!
Not sure why you guys continue to defend this. She has Time for Twitter and for private events by big donors, but no time to face the majority of the population? It's a slap in the face to our democracy. And you people are only enabling these politicians
All I'm saying is that until she's the POTUS she is under no obligation to do press conferences, and with all the interviews and debates, etc, I don't really see why it is suddenly being declared an urgent need by her more fanatic detractors. Also, why now? It's been 9 months, and this press conference obsession just started like last week or something. Is it a reaction to the fact that most people don't seem furious enough about the email thing? FWIW, I'm not a Hillary supporter. I just don't think it's that big a deal that she's not doing press conferences at this stage of the game. As I said, if she carries that into the Presidency, then you have a big problem. Until then, not at all.
Are you an American who's tax dollars go towards these politicians? If not, how can you understand my frustration with these politicians who are using my tax dollars to do as they damn well please?
If she is going to become my president then I want to make sure I know who the hell she is and I want to make sure we have a strong leader who isn't going to be dodging public demands. It's that simple.
Do you think that this phenomenon is exclusive to America? It doesn't exactly take a giant leap of the imagination to understand what it feels like to have tax dollars go to stupid shit politicians do (although how are your tax dollars connected to Hillary having press conferences during her campaign??). If you think non-Americans can't fully understand the situation, you're wrong.
You can read the papers all you want regarding politics in america, and know a great deal of our political process and its culture, but until money is taken from your pocket and used to make a bomb that blows up a Town with innocent people, you truly won't understand how that affects you on a personal level. It makes you a murderer and guilty by association. Now that might be an extreme example, but many Americans would share that same sentiment, whether the issue is war, guns, abortions, or whatever other issue. I'm not suggesting the rest of the world isn't connected to us, and I'm certainly not trying to exclude/dismiss you from the convo because you aren't American, but as an American I have every right to demand and expect more from my representatives. Hillary wouldn't be the president of the clintonites, but the president of my country- therefore I'm holding her feet to the fire just as I have with any other candidate. The field has narrowed down and now it's time to get serious and play hardball.
^^^ Exactly. To be honest, I think this sudden obsession with HRC's lack of press conferences is downright bizarre.
Bizarre?!? Is that a joke? 9 months without real pressure from the press. Now that's bizarre. She's a politician running for the highest office in the world. She needs to be questioned over and over to demonstrate that she can handle the pressures of the job. Excusing her of this isn't fare. She's banking on her clintonites and those who fear trump to give her the presidency. 60% unfavorable is no laughing matter, but still might win her the nomination as it did for GWB who had just as bad numbers.. All Americans need to be represented here, not just a handful, and that's basically what's happening by her playing it safe and banking on you guys. Low turnout, but enough voters for her to get her the win.
The debates are one thing. She changed her position on policy during the sanders debates- so that still isn't enough pressure to get to reveal her true nature. Is she going to support ttp? Even though she was for it and than against it. - the media should be digging and digging more at these politicians in order to give us tax payers the absolute best opportunity to elect someone who has truly been vetted. Dig more at her stance on citizens United. She says she's against it now, but that wasn't the case during the campaign. We need more pressure and tough questions. That isn't a conspiracy! And if it makes her look bad oh well, we demand the truth! These people work for us! And don't you fucking forget it!
Not sure why you guys continue to defend this. She has Time for Twitter and for private events by big donors, but no time to face the majority of the population? It's a slap in the face to our democracy. And you people are only enabling these politicians
All I'm saying is that until she's the POTUS she is under no obligation to do press conferences, and with all the interviews and debates, etc, I don't really see why it is suddenly being declared an urgent need by her more fanatic detractors. Also, why now? It's been 9 months, and this press conference obsession just started like last week or something. Is it a reaction to the fact that most people don't seem furious enough about the email thing? FWIW, I'm not a Hillary supporter. I just don't think it's that big a deal that she's not doing press conferences at this stage of the game. As I said, if she carries that into the Presidency, then you have a big problem. Until then, not at all.
Are you an American who's tax dollars go towards these politicians? If not, how can you understand my frustration with these politicians who are using my tax dollars to do as they damn well please?
If she is going to become my president then I want to make sure I know who the hell she is and I want to make sure we have a strong leader who isn't going to be dodging public demands. It's that simple.
Do you think that this phenomenon is exclusive to America? It doesn't exactly take a giant leap of the imagination to understand what it feels like to have tax dollars go to stupid shit politicians do (although how are your tax dollars connected to Hillary having press conferences during her campaign??). If you think non-Americans can't fully understand the situation, you're wrong.
You can read the papers all you want regarding politics in america, and know a great deal of our political process and its culture, but until money is taken from your pocket and used to make a bomb that blows up a Town with innocent people, you truly won't understand how that affects you on a personal level. It makes you a murderer and guilty by association. Now that might be an extreme example, but many Americans would share that same sentiment, whether the issue is war, guns, abortions, or whatever other issue. I'm not suggesting the rest of the world isn't connected to us, and I'm certainly not trying to exclude/dismiss you from the convo because you aren't American, but as an American I have every right to demand and expect more from my representatives. Hillary wouldn't be the president of the clintonites, but the president of my country- therefore I'm holding her feet to the fire just as I have with any other candidate. The field has narrowed down and now it's time to get serious and play hardball.
"Hardball" likely doesn't involve arguing with people on a message board. Perhaps you need to join a club or something.
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^^^ Exactly. To be honest, I think this sudden obsession with HRC's lack of press conferences is downright bizarre.
Bizarre?!? Is that a joke? 9 months without real pressure from the press. Now that's bizarre. She's a politician running for the highest office in the world. She needs to be questioned over and over to demonstrate that she can handle the pressures of the job. Excusing her of this isn't fare. She's banking on her clintonites and those who fear trump to give her the presidency. 60% unfavorable is no laughing matter, but still might win her the nomination as it did for GWB who had just as bad numbers.. All Americans need to be represented here, not just a handful, and that's basically what's happening by her playing it safe and banking on you guys. Low turnout, but enough voters for her to get her the win.
The debates are one thing. She changed her position on policy during the sanders debates- so that still isn't enough pressure to get to reveal her true nature. Is she going to support ttp? Even though she was for it and than against it. - the media should be digging and digging more at these politicians in order to give us tax payers the absolute best opportunity to elect someone who has truly been vetted. Dig more at her stance on citizens United. She says she's against it now, but that wasn't the case during the campaign. We need more pressure and tough questions. That isn't a conspiracy! And if it makes her look bad oh well, we demand the truth! These people work for us! And don't you fucking forget it!
Not sure why you guys continue to defend this. She has Time for Twitter and for private events by big donors, but no time to face the majority of the population? It's a slap in the face to our democracy. And you people are only enabling these politicians
All I'm saying is that until she's the POTUS she is under no obligation to do press conferences, and with all the interviews and debates, etc, I don't really see why it is suddenly being declared an urgent need by her more fanatic detractors. Also, why now? It's been 9 months, and this press conference obsession just started like last week or something. Is it a reaction to the fact that most people don't seem furious enough about the email thing? FWIW, I'm not a Hillary supporter. I just don't think it's that big a deal that she's not doing press conferences at this stage of the game. As I said, if she carries that into the Presidency, then you have a big problem. Until then, not at all.
Are you an American who's tax dollars go towards these politicians? If not, how can you understand my frustration with these politicians who are using my tax dollars to do as they damn well please?
If she is going to become my president then I want to make sure I know who the hell she is and I want to make sure we have a strong leader who isn't going to be dodging public demands. It's that simple.
Do you think that this phenomenon is exclusive to America? It doesn't exactly take a giant leap of the imagination to understand what it feels like to have tax dollars go to stupid shit politicians do (although how are your tax dollars connected to Hillary having press conferences during her campaign??). If you think non-Americans can't fully understand the situation, you're wrong.
You can read the papers all you want regarding politics in america, and know a great deal of our political process and its culture, but until money is taken from your pocket and used to make a bomb that blows up a Town with innocent people, you truly won't understand how that affects you on a personal level. It makes you a murderer and guilty by association. Now that might be an extreme example, but many Americans would share that same sentiment, whether the issue is war, guns, abortions, or whatever other issue. I'm not suggesting the rest of the world isn't connected to us, and I'm certainly not trying to exclude/dismiss you from the convo because you aren't American, but as an American I have every right to demand and expect more from my representatives. Hillary wouldn't be the president of the clintonites, but the president of my country- therefore I'm holding her feet to the fire just as I have with any other candidate. The field has narrowed down and now it's time to get serious and play hardball.
Whatever man. I'm just saying of course I understand your frustration. If you think I can't then you're wrong. I'm telling you that I can.
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^^^ Exactly. To be honest, I think this sudden obsession with HRC's lack of press conferences is downright bizarre.
Bizarre?!? Is that a joke? 9 months without real pressure from the press. Now that's bizarre. She's a politician running for the highest office in the world. She needs to be questioned over and over to demonstrate that she can handle the pressures of the job. Excusing her of this isn't fare. She's banking on her clintonites and those who fear trump to give her the presidency. 60% unfavorable is no laughing matter, but still might win her the nomination as it did for GWB who had just as bad numbers.. All Americans need to be represented here, not just a handful, and that's basically what's happening by her playing it safe and banking on you guys. Low turnout, but enough voters for her to get her the win.
The debates are one thing. She changed her position on policy during the sanders debates- so that still isn't enough pressure to get to reveal her true nature. Is she going to support ttp? Even though she was for it and than against it. - the media should be digging and digging more at these politicians in order to give us tax payers the absolute best opportunity to elect someone who has truly been vetted. Dig more at her stance on citizens United. She says she's against it now, but that wasn't the case during the campaign. We need more pressure and tough questions. That isn't a conspiracy! And if it makes her look bad oh well, we demand the truth! These people work for us! And don't you fucking forget it!
Not sure why you guys continue to defend this. She has Time for Twitter and for private events by big donors, but no time to face the majority of the population? It's a slap in the face to our democracy. And you people are only enabling these politicians
All I'm saying is that until she's the POTUS she is under no obligation to do press conferences, and with all the interviews and debates, etc, I don't really see why it is suddenly being declared an urgent need by her more fanatic detractors. Also, why now? It's been 9 months, and this press conference obsession just started like last week or something. Is it a reaction to the fact that most people don't seem furious enough about the email thing? FWIW, I'm not a Hillary supporter. I just don't think it's that big a deal that she's not doing press conferences at this stage of the game. As I said, if she carries that into the Presidency, then you have a big problem. Until then, not at all.
Are you an American who's tax dollars go towards these politicians? If not, how can you understand my frustration with these politicians who are using my tax dollars to do as they damn well please?
If she is going to become my president then I want to make sure I know who the hell she is and I want to make sure we have a strong leader who isn't going to be dodging public demands. It's that simple.
What's wrong with the debates? She will be answering questions for 90 minutes X 3. Is that not intensive enough for you?
Sure it is. Of course it is. But just like she did during the sanders debates, she could very well flip flop on policy. I'm still not 100% certain where she stands on ttp. Last I heard she was for it, but was against a few things... That's a whole lot of help- (sarcasm). I've seen politicians use that play several times and once elected it was a different tune they sung. How about ciizens United? Is she going to somehow now fight to have that overturned? How can we trust her to do so, if she's not being pressured to answer questions. I'm not treating her any different then any other politician, and I think my concern regarding politicians facing scrutiny from the public/press isn't unfair. They should all do it! Not all Americans have time to sit around and follow a single debate or her stump speeches. We need information and more information. It's a good thing for our democracy and certainly a good thing to help us make a more informed decision. If a politician cracks under pressure then that would indicate said politician might not be ready for the pressures of the highest office.
I have a feeling these debates will be the most watched in history, so I think there will be plenty of eyeballs. So you are saying she flip flopped on TPP. But wasn't that part of the point of Bernie getting his agenda into the platform? If she adopts that, isn't that a win for the left? You've created a no win scenario for her. If she doesn't 'better represent' her constituents then she is a republican. If she moves left and adopts TPP, then she flip flops.
Regarding CU, she has NEVER once said (that I've ever seen) that she supports CU. Remember the whole CU case was about her and an anti-Hillary video. She has reinforced that she would either go for a Constitutional amendment and/or select judges who don't think corp. are people. Again, what more do you want?
My comments regarding citizens United and the trade deal were examples. There are more issues which we, as undecided voters, aren't fully convinced of. debates/ press conferences would help fulfill that void, no doubt.
To go back regarding the trade deal comments- it's not about who she is trying to please. If she wants to be for or against it that's fine- she will feel the pressure from either side regardless. My comment was more about exposing the fact that the debate forced her to change positions. So it was a type of flip flop. She was for it and then was against it, and now I think she's kind of for it again. The debates are over and now we must depend on the press to expose the truth- is she for it or against it? Or she just dodging the questions in order to get by without making Obama look bad? Idk and I would imagine most average voters wouldn't know either. If we had her facing the press I'm sure it would be much more clearly defined for the rest of us.
I'm questioning her and every single other politician that wants to represent the citizens of the US- whether it's at a local or national level- they should all face the public that elects them.
^^^ Exactly. To be honest, I think this sudden obsession with HRC's lack of press conferences is downright bizarre.
Bizarre?!? Is that a joke? 9 months without real pressure from the press. Now that's bizarre. She's a politician running for the highest office in the world. She needs to be questioned over and over to demonstrate that she can handle the pressures of the job. Excusing her of this isn't fare. She's banking on her clintonites and those who fear trump to give her the presidency. 60% unfavorable is no laughing matter, but still might win her the nomination as it did for GWB who had just as bad numbers.. All Americans need to be represented here, not just a handful, and that's basically what's happening by her playing it safe and banking on you guys. Low turnout, but enough voters for her to get her the win.
The debates are one thing. She changed her position on policy during the sanders debates- so that still isn't enough pressure to get to reveal her true nature. Is she going to support ttp? Even though she was for it and than against it. - the media should be digging and digging more at these politicians in order to give us tax payers the absolute best opportunity to elect someone who has truly been vetted. Dig more at her stance on citizens United. She says she's against it now, but that wasn't the case during the campaign. We need more pressure and tough questions. That isn't a conspiracy! And if it makes her look bad oh well, we demand the truth! These people work for us! And don't you fucking forget it!
Not sure why you guys continue to defend this. She has Time for Twitter and for private events by big donors, but no time to face the majority of the population? It's a slap in the face to our democracy. And you people are only enabling these politicians
All I'm saying is that until she's the POTUS she is under no obligation to do press conferences, and with all the interviews and debates, etc, I don't really see why it is suddenly being declared an urgent need by her more fanatic detractors. Also, why now? It's been 9 months, and this press conference obsession just started like last week or something. Is it a reaction to the fact that most people don't seem furious enough about the email thing? FWIW, I'm not a Hillary supporter. I just don't think it's that big a deal that she's not doing press conferences at this stage of the game. As I said, if she carries that into the Presidency, then you have a big problem. Until then, not at all.
Are you an American who's tax dollars go towards these politicians? If not, how can you understand my frustration with these politicians who are using my tax dollars to do as they damn well please?
If she is going to become my president then I want to make sure I know who the hell she is and I want to make sure we have a strong leader who isn't going to be dodging public demands. It's that simple.
What's wrong with the debates? She will be answering questions for 90 minutes X 3. Is that not intensive enough for you?
Sure it is. Of course it is. But just like she did during the sanders debates, she could very well flip flop on policy. I'm still not 100% certain where she stands on ttp. Last I heard she was for it, but was against a few things... That's a whole lot of help- (sarcasm). I've seen politicians use that play several times and once elected it was a different tune they sung. How about ciizens United? Is she going to somehow now fight to have that overturned? How can we trust her to do so, if she's not being pressured to answer questions. I'm not treating her any different then any other politician, and I think my concern regarding politicians facing scrutiny from the public/press isn't unfair. They should all do it! Not all Americans have time to sit around and follow a single debate or her stump speeches. We need information and more information. It's a good thing for our democracy and certainly a good thing to help us make a more informed decision. If a politician cracks under pressure then that would indicate said politician might not be ready for the pressures of the highest office.
I have a feeling these debates will be the most watched in history, so I think there will be plenty of eyeballs. So you are saying she flip flopped on TPP. But wasn't that part of the point of Bernie getting his agenda into the platform? If she adopts that, isn't that a win for the left? You've created a no win scenario for her. If she doesn't 'better represent' her constituents then she is a republican. If she moves left and adopts TPP, then she flip flops.
Regarding CU, she has NEVER once said (that I've ever seen) that she supports CU. Remember the whole CU case was about her and an anti-Hillary video. She has reinforced that she would either go for a Constitutional amendment and/or select judges who don't think corp. are people. Again, what more do you want?
My comments regarding citizens United and the trade deal were examples. There are more issues which we, as undecided voters, aren't fully convinced of. debates/ press conferences would help fulfill that void, no doubt.
To go back regarding the trade deal comments- it's not about who she is trying to please. If she wants to be for or against it that's fine- she will feel the pressure from either side regardless. My comment was more about exposing the fact that the debate forced her to change positions. So it was a type of flip flop. She was for it and then was against it, and now I think she's kind of for it again. The debates are over and now we must depend on the press to expose the truth- is she for it or against it? Or she just dodging the questions in order to get by without making Obama look bad? Idk and I would imagine most average voters wouldn't know either. If we had her facing the press I'm sure it would be much more clearly defined for the rest of us.
I'm questioning her and every single other politician that wants to represent the citizens of the US- whether it's at a local or national level- they should all face the public that elects them.
She was for it, aligned with the administration. Now she has turned against it and I would argue to reflect the will of her would be constituents. I am 99.9% sure she has not wavered on that current stance. I'm a bit bothered by it myself because I support the TPP. Free trade is just one piece of it, but a HUGE benefit will be the pressure it puts on China to stop manipulating its currency, which keeps jobs there artificially. The TPP is just a giant bogeyman in my opinion. Factory jobs are not the future of the US, but that's a different topic.
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Blankfein (Goldman Sachs, see her speeches), Dimon (JP Morgan), Hancock (AIG) Buffett (Berkshire) Sandberg (Facebook) Soros, Bloomberg, Bazos
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Did you get the invite to George and Amal's crib? I know you Hollywood types run in the same circles?
I actually stole the name from Steve Martin but when I began using it I failed to realize that I misspelled the last name.
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Sanders supports Clinton. That tells you all you need to know.
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She'll have a press conference if she needs to have one.
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If she is going to become my president then I want to make sure I know who the hell she is and I want to make sure we have a strong leader who isn't going to be dodging public demands. It's that simple.
trump gave a press conference in Mexico yesterday. As much as I'd like to take another shot at him, you can't deny that he stepped into the lions den and faced the public.
To keep defending a politician for not facing the press is ridiculous and lowers the bar for politicians. Imagine if we elected people based off of their stump speeches.
during at least one of the debates to prove she's in good health.
Nothing she does will ever be good enough for you.
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So you are saying she flip flopped on TPP. But wasn't that part of the point of Bernie getting his agenda into the platform? If she adopts that, isn't that a win for the left? You've created a no win scenario for her. If she doesn't 'better represent' her constituents then she is a republican. If she moves left and adopts TPP, then she flip flops.
Regarding CU, she has NEVER once said (that I've ever seen) that she supports CU. Remember the whole CU case was about her and an anti-Hillary video. She has reinforced that she would either go for a Constitutional amendment and/or select judges who don't think corp. are people. Again, what more do you want?
I'm not suggesting the rest of the world isn't connected to us, and I'm certainly not trying to exclude/dismiss you from the convo because you aren't American, but as an American I have every right to demand and expect more from my representatives. Hillary wouldn't be the president of the clintonites, but the president of my country- therefore I'm holding her feet to the fire just as I have with any other candidate. The field has narrowed down and now it's time to get serious and play hardball.
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To go back regarding the trade deal comments- it's not about who she is trying to please. If she wants to be for or against it that's fine- she will feel the pressure from either side regardless. My comment was more about exposing the fact that the debate forced her to change positions. So it was a type of flip flop. She was for it and then was against it, and now I think she's kind of for it again. The debates are over and now we must depend on the press to expose the truth- is she for it or against it? Or she just dodging the questions in order to get by without making Obama look bad? Idk and I would imagine most average voters wouldn't know either. If we had her facing the press I'm sure it would be much more clearly defined for the rest of us.
I'm questioning her and every single other politician that wants to represent the citizens of the US- whether it's at a local or national level- they should all face the public that elects them.