Hillary won more votes for President

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

Degeneratefk said:

BS44325 said:

Degeneratefk said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

BS44325 said:

Tim Kaine the Conservative

https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/listen-to-tim-kaines-im-conservative-radio-ads-from-2005?utm_term=.hkyGRdjY1#.lqpbmJMZ2

From the article,
“I’ll enforce the death penalty as governor and I’m against same-sex marriage. I’m conservative on personal responsibility, character, family and the sanctity of life. These are my values, and that’s what I believe.”

Sounds like a perfect match for Hillary. They see eye to eye.

This is how you attack a VP pick? Attack his beliefs on abortion and gay marriage?

This isn't an attack on Kaine's beliefs but an attack on the lies told by the Democratic Party.

When did he lie to them?

You are not understanding the argument. He is not being attacked. He is not being accused of a lie. What is being attacked is the Democratic Party's claims that the Republican party is made up of extremists while they put forward a candidate who believes in the death penalty, is against same-sex marriage and would pass laws that would eliminate public funding for abortion and that would restrict choice. That is the lie.

Most democratic politiCians were against same sex marriage until ten years ago. This includes Obama and Sanders. What matters is today.

And Kaine is against the death penalty but he upheld the state laws here. He is personally against abortion but doesn't believe in forcing that choice (or lack of) on others. These are Catholic viewpoints that he separated from his official duties. What is the issue with that? I'm don't like abortion either. Who the fuck likes abortion? But I'm pro choice.

The guy was a missionary, he was active in civil rights around housing discrimination, etc. He is a stand up guy and you won't find anyone in Virginia say a bad thing about him. I have run into him several times around the city. He is a great person and I could not be happier for this opportunity.

BS44325

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Degeneratefk said:

BS44325 said:

Degeneratefk said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

BS44325 said:

Tim Kaine the Conservative

https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/listen-to-tim-kaines-im-conservative-radio-ads-from-2005?utm_term=.hkyGRdjY1#.lqpbmJMZ2

From the article,
“I’ll enforce the death penalty as governor and I’m against same-sex marriage. I’m conservative on personal responsibility, character, family and the sanctity of life. These are my values, and that’s what I believe.”

Sounds like a perfect match for Hillary. They see eye to eye.

This is how you attack a VP pick? Attack his beliefs on abortion and gay marriage?

This isn't an attack on Kaine's beliefs but an attack on the lies told by the Democratic Party.

When did he lie to them?

You are not understanding the argument. He is not being attacked. He is not being accused of a lie. What is being attacked is the Democratic Party's claims that the Republican party is made up of extremists while they put forward a candidate who believes in the death penalty, is against same-sex marriage and would pass laws that would eliminate public funding for abortion and that would restrict choice. That is the lie.

Most democratic politiCians were against same sex marriage until ten years ago. This includes Obama and Sanders. What matters is today.

And Kaine is against the death penalty but he upheld the state laws here. He is personally against abortion but doesn't believe in forcing that choice (or lack of) on others. These are Catholic viewpoints that he separated from his official duties. What is the issue with that? I'm don't like abortion either. Who the fuck likes abortion? But I'm pro choice.

The guy was a missionary, he was active in civil rights around housing discrimination, etc. He is a stand up guy and you won't find anyone in Virginia say a bad thing about him. I have run into him several times around the city. He is a great person and I could not be happier for this opportunity.

Like i said I am not attacking Kaine. He seems like a fine man and I still believe a good choice. What I am attacking is the DNC characterizing Republicans as being anti-women when Kaine historically has embraced similar policies. If Kaine truly doesn't support taxpayer funding of abortions or believes in parental consent that is fine but you must recognize how these positions are a lightning rod within the democratic base. When the bulk of Hillary's campaign will be about women's rights and choice Kaine's positions will neutralize most of their attacks.

seanwon

BS44325 said:

You are not understanding the argument. He is not being attacked. He is not being accused of a lie. What is being attacked is the Democratic Party's claims that the Republican party is made up of extremists while they put forward a candidate who believes in the death penalty, is against same-sex marriage and would pass laws that would eliminate public funding for abortion and that would restrict choice. That is the lie.

Wouldn't that be hypocrisy? I don't see a lie in there.

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Degeneratefk said:

BS44325 said:

Degeneratefk said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

BS44325 said:

Tim Kaine the Conservative

https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/listen-to-tim-kaines-im-conservative-radio-ads-from-2005?utm_term=.hkyGRdjY1#.lqpbmJMZ2

From the article,
“I’ll enforce the death penalty as governor and I’m against same-sex marriage. I’m conservative on personal responsibility, character, family and the sanctity of life. These are my values, and that’s what I believe.”

Sounds like a perfect match for Hillary. They see eye to eye.

This is how you attack a VP pick? Attack his beliefs on abortion and gay marriage?

This isn't an attack on Kaine's beliefs but an attack on the lies told by the Democratic Party.

When did he lie to them?

You are not understanding the argument. He is not being attacked. He is not being accused of a lie. What is being attacked is the Democratic Party's claims that the Republican party is made up of extremists while they put forward a candidate who believes in the death penalty, is against same-sex marriage and would pass laws that would eliminate public funding for abortion and that would restrict choice. That is the lie.

Most democratic politiCians were against same sex marriage until ten years ago. This includes Obama and Sanders. What matters is today.

And Kaine is against the death penalty but he upheld the state laws here. He is personally against abortion but doesn't believe in forcing that choice (or lack of) on others. These are Catholic viewpoints that he separated from his official duties. What is the issue with that? I'm don't like abortion either. Who the fuck likes abortion? But I'm pro choice.

The guy was a missionary, he was active in civil rights around housing discrimination, etc. He is a stand up guy and you won't find anyone in Virginia say a bad thing about him. I have run into him several times around the city. He is a great person and I could not be happier for this opportunity.

Like i said I am not attacking Kaine. He seems like a fine man and I still believe a good choice. What I am attacking is the DNC characterizing Republicans as being anti-women when Kaine historically has embraced similar policies. If Kaine truly doesn't support taxpayer funding of abortions or believes in parental consent that is fine but you must recognize how these positions are a lightning rod within the democratic base. When the bulk of Hillary's campaign will be about women's rights and choice Kaine's positions will neutralize most of their attacks.

I'm not sure that taxpayer funded abortions is even an issue that will be debated during the campaign. That is a law today and I have not heard about any D trying to make that an issue. Parental consent won't be an issue either. The argument made by the D's will be about the SCOTUS and judges, not into these details I don't think. Either way, this issue is so set on partisan lines that there will not be a way to blunt a Democratic attack line on it. This is no different than Sanders' gun control positions in the past. He voted in a way that's similar to Kaine's abortion positions, but they still both get F's on the issue from the other side.

what dreams

tonifig8 said:

Julian Assange: My next next leak will ensure Hillary's Arrest.

This guy is playing a dangerous game- you don't go after the Clintons without paying the ultimate price.

Yes, he is playing a dangerous game -- dangerous for ALL Americans. Wait until these hackers start coming after you. If they can do it to HRC, DNC, State Dept., whoever, trust me they will do it to anybody, even you. We should all remember that when our private lives belong to these fuckers. Talk about an abuse of power. If you think we should celebrate a forfeiture of our privacy to Julian Assange or his Anonymous freak friends, all in the name of advancing some political agenda that has nothing to do with democracy or individual liberty, then shame on you when you wake up someday in a world where you are no longer free.

what dreams

I lived in Virginia under Tim Kaine's governorship. I can't think of a single legislative session where he pushed an abortion or death penalty agenda in either direction. I do remember him working hard to support education. That was his signature achievement, from what I recall.

rgambs

what dreams said:

tonifig8 said:

Julian Assange: My next next leak will ensure Hillary's Arrest.

This guy is playing a dangerous game- you don't go after the Clintons without paying the ultimate price.

Yes, he is playing a dangerous game -- dangerous for ALL Americans. Wait until these hackers start coming after you. If they can do it to HRC, DNC, State Dept., whoever, trust me they will do it to anybody, even you. We should all remember that when our private lives belong to these fuckers. Talk about an abuse of power. If you think we should celebrate a forfeiture of our privacy to Julian Assange or his Anonymous freak friends, all in the name of advancing some political agenda that has nothing to do with democracy or individual liberty, then shame on you when you wake up someday in a world where you are no longer free.

Dang, angry much?
Freaks? Nothing to do with democracy?

What is this political agenda that has nothing to do with democracy or liberty?

You think your free, and that hackers who expose government corruption and abuse are going to take that freedom?
I don't see how that makes any sense.

mrussel1

what dreams said:

I lived in Virginia under Tim Kaine's governorship. I can't think of a single legislative session where he pushed an abortion or death penalty agenda in either direction. I do remember him working hard to support education. That was his signature achievement, from what I recall.

He truly separates church from state. And remember, as a Catholic he is AGAINST the death penalty, not for it.

You can't find a person here in Richmond to say a bad thing about Kaine. They may not agree with every policy, but he is a man of integrity and heart. He represents the best of the Old Dominion. Even the Times-Dispatch today had a glowing column about him, which is rare. It is a very conservative newspaper.

bootlegger10

Wasserman-Schultz is being hung out to dry by the Clinton campaign. She did all she possibly could to rig the primary for Clinton (most likely with Clinton's direction). What is it about the Clintons' power that makes people do such things? It is disgusting.

Cliffy6745

Bloomberg to speak and endorse Hillary this week. Pretty big

Free

bootlegger10 said:

Wasserman-Schultz is being hung out to dry by the Clinton campaign. She did all she possibly could to rig the primary for Clinton (most likely with Clinton's direction). What is it about the Clintons' power that makes people do such things? It is disgusting.

I bet she knows she wouldn't survive, but did what she did anyway to ensure an HRC win. She sacrificed herself.

bootlegger10

Free said:

bootlegger10 said:

Wasserman-Schultz is being hung out to dry by the Clinton campaign. She did all she possibly could to rig the primary for Clinton (most likely with Clinton's direction). What is it about the Clintons' power that makes people do such things? It is disgusting.

I bet she knows she wouldn't survive, but did what she did anyway to ensure an HRC win. She sacrificed herself.

But why??? I can't figure out why people worship the Clintons (I am referring to their political circle and not general voters here).

Free

Cliffy6745 said:

Bloomberg to speak and endorse Hillary this week. Pretty big

Not really. Typical.

bootlegger10 said:

Free said:

bootlegger10 said:

Wasserman-Schultz is being hung out to dry by the Clinton campaign. She did all she possibly could to rig the primary for Clinton (most likely with Clinton's direction). What is it about the Clintons' power that makes people do such things? It is disgusting.

I bet she knows she wouldn't survive, but did what she did anyway to ensure an HRC win. She sacrificed herself.

But why??? I can't figure out why people worship the Clintons (I am referring to their political circle and not general voters here).

Yeah, I'm with you there. Power, status and money all play a part. What is she being promised after this? She's not taking her re-election for congressional seat seriously against Tim Canova...

Kat

I was very impressed by Tim Kaine and his speech was terrific. He has a very deep resume and is ready to assume the Presidency if it's ever necessary, heaven forbid. His life story, which I'm glad he shared, demonstrates that he's a good man with a good heart. It sounds like his entire family shares in his efforts at public service too. This is in real opposition to the other party's nominee whose entire life seems to have been solely about self-aggrandizement and personal wealth. Wealth is fine, but philanthropy is an awesome thing once wealth has been achieved. I like people who share their wealth...and I don't believe the Presidency is an entry-level position.

Free

Kat said:

I was very impressed by Tim Kaine and his speech was terrific. He has a very deep resume and is ready to assume the Presidency if it's ever necessary, heaven forbid. His life story, which I'm glad he shared, demonstrates that he's a good man with a good heart. It sounds like his entire family shares in his efforts at public service too. This is in real opposition to the other party's nominee whose entire life seems to have been solely about self-aggrandizement and personal wealth. Wealth is fine, but philanthropy is an awesome thing once wealth has been achieved. I like people who share their wealth...and I don't believe the Presidency is an entry-level position.

Are you pro-life or pro-choice Kat?

Degeneratefk

That last statement is an excellent point that is lost by most trump supporters.

The presidency is NOT an entry level position. But most trump supporters think that in order to go outside of the establishment, you need someone that has never been in politics. Not a good idea when most of his campaign revolves around foreign policy and foreign trade deals. I think trump vastly underestimates how experience in dealing with world leaders is more than just making a deal to host the miss universe pageant.

Cliffy6745

Free said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Bloomberg to speak and endorse Hillary this week. Pretty big

Not really. Typical.

bootlegger10 said:

Free said:

bootlegger10 said:

Wasserman-Schultz is being hung out to dry by the Clinton campaign. She did all she possibly could to rig the primary for Clinton (most likely with Clinton's direction). What is it about the Clintons' power that makes people do such things? It is disgusting.

I bet she knows she wouldn't survive, but did what she did anyway to ensure an HRC win. She sacrificed herself.

But why??? I can't figure out why people worship the Clintons (I am referring to their political circle and not general voters here).

Yeah, I'm with you there. Power, status and money all play a part. What is she being promised after this? She's not taking her re-election for congressional seat seriously against Tim Canova...

I am a big fan of Bloomberg. I think he is a very practical, pragmatic and intelligent person. I would support him for president in a heart beat

Degeneratefk

Double post

mrussel1

Free said:

Kat said:

I was very impressed by Tim Kaine and his speech was terrific. He has a very deep resume and is ready to assume the Presidency if it's ever necessary, heaven forbid. His life story, which I'm glad he shared, demonstrates that he's a good man with a good heart. It sounds like his entire family shares in his efforts at public service too. This is in real opposition to the other party's nominee whose entire life seems to have been solely about self-aggrandizement and personal wealth. Wealth is fine, but philanthropy is an awesome thing once wealth has been achieved. I like people who share their wealth...and I don't believe the Presidency is an entry-level position.

Are you pro-life or pro-choice Kat?

Nice try. Kaine is pro-choice.. He doesnt' let his religious beliefs get into the way of his public service. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm not pro-abortion but I would encourage any member of my family not to have one. But I support the person's right to make their own decision.

Kat

I am pro-choice and comfortable with Tim Kaine because it's a difficult issue for a Catholic to navigate and he separates church and state just fine to me.
"But ever since Kaine entered the Senate in 2012, he has had a perfect pro-choice voting record, according to NARAL Pro-Choice America and Planned Parenthood. He also insists that issues of reproductive choice and intimacy are personal decisions that the government has no place interfering with."
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/23/12259036/tim-kaine-vice-president-abortion-views-explained