Another Attack in France (Nice)

BS44325 said:

Degeneratefk said:

BS44325 said:

seanwon said:

BS44325 said:

seanwon said:

Godfather. said:

he is the commander and chief right.....sad as it is and every time he talks about muslims he say's nothing or very little about their involvement in terrorist attacks, he's just another excuse maker. look at our country since he's been elected....a friggin mess ! I can't wait until he leaves office.

Godfather.

We're in a hell of a lot better shape than we were the day he took office.

Turn on the tv. Nobody in their right mind believes this.

And by turn on the TV, you mean turn on Fox News. If you think this country is in worse shape today than 2008, you are incredibly naive.

Things were not great in 2008 but right now your country and this world is teetering on the edge of disaster.

No its not.

Ok.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-16/war-coming-and-global-financial-situation-lot-worse-you-may-think

I love when people post links from notoriously screwy sites like zero hedge.

EdsonNascimento said:

oftenreading said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

I guess we gave up on thread integrity a long time ago

What did you want for integrity of this thread?
Root causes?
Perhaps a conversation why this happened?
What?

Well I don't know why it's turned into a discussion on Obama! FFS right now the information indicates that the perpetrator in Nice was mentally ill and on medication. Just because he was a Muslim everyone has decided this attack should become part of the big conversation on what to do about radical Islam. How about you have that discussion on a thread where it is more clearly relevant? This thread was created to discuss events in Nice, no?

The "events" in Nice as you call them have everything to do with radical islam. Not Obama.
http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/latest-from-nice-pm-calls-driver-terrorist-linked-to-radical-islam-1.2988025

Unless the PM has info he's not sharing with us, then to me it seemed like a premature and ill-advised link to make. If it turns out to be true, then fine but I want actual facts and evidence

You will never get this and will always be asking that question unless you make up your mind.

Make up my mind about what? What are you on about? Like any rational person, I don't jump to quick judgements until I have all the facts

Well here are two facts.
The "events" in Nice are linked to radical Islam.
and
you don't see this

People can make links and draw conclusions all they like but that doesn't necessarily make them valid. The facts we have suggest that the attacker was a man with a history of violence, both within the family and with strangers. He has a conviction for a violent offence. There is no evidence that he was affiliated with or directed by any radical groups, and none have claimed responsibility (I hate to call it "credit") for the attack. Driving a truck into a crowd of people is not a sophisticated attack that requires coordination or planning. Ar this point he appears to be a violent guy who seized on an opportunity to commit violence on a massive scale, but that doesn't make this an ISIS-led terrorist attack. To assume it does gives them too much credit and feeds the terror machine, the fears of world-wide annihilation. They would be very pleased by that.

Actually, you could probably blame Stephen King as much as anyone. I'm not but just sayin. Not that the idea is that original, but he is the most popular writer of our time and just had a best selling trilogy that starts out with this basic premise.

just like you could blame tom clancy for 9/11.... afterall he had a disgruntled fellow flying a jet into the capitol whereby making jack ryan president of the USA.not that that happened... but you get my drift .

muskydan said:

EdsonNascimento said:

oftenreading said:

EdsonNascimento said:

oftenreading said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

I guess we gave up on thread integrity a long time ago

What did you want for integrity of this thread?
Root causes?
Perhaps a conversation why this happened?
What?

Well I don't know why it's turned into a discussion on Obama! FFS right now the information indicates that the perpetrator in Nice was mentally ill and on medication. Just because he was a Muslim everyone has decided this attack should become part of the big conversation on what to do about radical Islam. How about you have that discussion on a thread where it is more clearly relevant? This thread was created to discuss events in Nice, no?

The "events" in Nice as you call them have everything to do with radical islam. Not Obama.
http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/latest-from-nice-pm-calls-driver-terrorist-linked-to-radical-islam-1.2988025

Unless the PM has info he's not sharing with us, then to me it seemed like a premature and ill-advised link to make. If it turns out to be true, then fine but I want actual facts and evidence

You will never get this and will always be asking that question unless you make up your mind.

Make up my mind about what? What are you on about? Like any rational person, I don't jump to quick judgements until I have all the facts

Well here are two facts.
The "events" in Nice are linked to radical Islam.
and
you don't see this

People can make links and draw conclusions all they like but that doesn't necessarily make them valid. The facts we have suggest that the attacker was a man with a history of violence, both within the family and with strangers. He has a conviction for a violent offence. There is no evidence that he was affiliated with or directed by any radical groups, and none have claimed responsibility (I hate to call it "credit") for the attack. Driving a truck into a crowd of people is not a sophisticated attack that requires coordination or planning. Ar this point he appears to be a violent guy who seized on an opportunity to commit violence on a massive scale, but that doesn't make this an ISIS-led terrorist attack. To assume it does gives them too much credit and feeds the terror machine, the fears of world-wide annihilation. They would be very pleased by that.

Actually, you could probably blame Stephen King as much as anyone. I'm not but just sayin. Not that the idea is that original, but he is the most popular writer of our time and just had a best selling trilogy that starts out with this basic premise.

Sure, you could draw lots of links. Which isn't to say that I'm denying there could be a formal link to a terrorist group; just that I'd prefer not to jump to conclusions and give them too much power.

Agree. I was sharing your view. It would be nice if our President took the same approach of not jumping to convenient conclusions with police shootings.

Nailed it buddy. Some might say the biggest Fraud in the history of American Presidents acts " Stupidly" when he blabbers about incidents that haven't even been investigated yet. How many days left do we have of this Bad Joke???

Biggest fraud? How so?

EdsonNascimento said:

oftenreading said:

EdsonNascimento said:

oftenreading said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

I guess we gave up on thread integrity a long time ago

What did you want for integrity of this thread?
Root causes?
Perhaps a conversation why this happened?
What?

Well I don't know why it's turned into a discussion on Obama! FFS right now the information indicates that the perpetrator in Nice was mentally ill and on medication. Just because he was a Muslim everyone has decided this attack should become part of the big conversation on what to do about radical Islam. How about you have that discussion on a thread where it is more clearly relevant? This thread was created to discuss events in Nice, no?

The "events" in Nice as you call them have everything to do with radical islam. Not Obama.
http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/latest-from-nice-pm-calls-driver-terrorist-linked-to-radical-islam-1.2988025

Unless the PM has info he's not sharing with us, then to me it seemed like a premature and ill-advised link to make. If it turns out to be true, then fine but I want actual facts and evidence

You will never get this and will always be asking that question unless you make up your mind.

Make up my mind about what? What are you on about? Like any rational person, I don't jump to quick judgements until I have all the facts

Well here are two facts.
The "events" in Nice are linked to radical Islam.
and
you don't see this

People can make links and draw conclusions all they like but that doesn't necessarily make them valid. The facts we have suggest that the attacker was a man with a history of violence, both within the family and with strangers. He has a conviction for a violent offence. There is no evidence that he was affiliated with or directed by any radical groups, and none have claimed responsibility (I hate to call it "credit") for the attack. Driving a truck into a crowd of people is not a sophisticated attack that requires coordination or planning. Ar this point he appears to be a violent guy who seized on an opportunity to commit violence on a massive scale, but that doesn't make this an ISIS-led terrorist attack. To assume it does gives them too much credit and feeds the terror machine, the fears of world-wide annihilation. They would be very pleased by that.

Actually, you could probably blame Stephen King as much as anyone. I'm not but just sayin. Not that the idea is that original, but he is the most popular writer of our time and just had a best selling trilogy that starts out with this basic premise.

Sure, you could draw lots of links. Which isn't to say that I'm denying there could be a formal link to a terrorist group; just that I'd prefer not to jump to conclusions and give them too much power.

Agree. I was sharing your view. It would be nice if our President took the same approach of not jumping to convenient conclusions with police shootings.

What does Obama have to do with This attack ?

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

oftenreading said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

I guess we gave up on thread integrity a long time ago

What did you want for integrity of this thread?
Root causes?
Perhaps a conversation why this happened?
What?

Well I don't know why it's turned into a discussion on Obama! FFS right now the information indicates that the perpetrator in Nice was mentally ill and on medication. Just because he was a Muslim everyone has decided this attack should become part of the big conversation on what to do about radical Islam. How about you have that discussion on a thread where it is more clearly relevant? This thread was created to discuss events in Nice, no?

The "events" in Nice as you call them have everything to do with radical islam. Not Obama.
http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/latest-from-nice-pm-calls-driver-terrorist-linked-to-radical-islam-1.2988025

Unless the PM has info he's not sharing with us, then to me it seemed like a premature and ill-advised link to make. If it turns out to be true, then fine but I want actual facts and evidence

You will never get this and will always be asking that question unless you make up your mind.

Make up my mind about what? What are you on about? Like any rational person, I don't jump to quick judgements until I have all the facts

Well here are two facts.
The "events" in Nice are linked to radical Islam.
and
you don't see this

People can make links and draw conclusions all they like but that doesn't necessarily make them valid. The facts we have suggest that the attacker was a man with a history of violence, both within the family and with strangers. He has a conviction for a violent offence. There is no evidence that he was affiliated with or directed by any radical groups, and none have claimed responsibility (I hate to call it "credit") for the attack. Driving a truck into a crowd of people is not a sophisticated attack that requires coordination or planning. Ar this point he appears to be a violent guy who seized on an opportunity to commit violence on a massive scale, but that doesn't make this an ISIS-led terrorist attack. To assume it does gives them too much credit and feeds the terror machine, the fears of world-wide annihilation. They would be very pleased by that.

No, it is worse when terrorists in Iraq and Syria don't even need to coordinate the attacks that happen in France and the USA. They are winning.

This is why we need to fight terrorism in the middle east and not bring the fight to the West through migration. Sure 95% won't become terrorists, but that 5% will create more chaos than we will know how to deal with. It happened in France. It happened. It is right in front of our faces yet some of you still deny it.

Ok then you at ready man up join the army marines what have you , or if you have any kids of fighting age have them join and send them over there to fight for your freedom that is being threatened !!

So every time a dictator or occupying force takes over a country the rest of the world is to take all of the migrants from those countries so that we can have all countries destabilized? If you don't want the USA to be the world's police then don't make us the world's largest free hotel.

Are you blind to what is happening in Europe? How is the assimilation going? How is the melting pot going?

BS44325 said:

Things were not great in 2008 but right now your country and this world is teetering on the edge of disaster.

We're not discussing the world, we are discussing the US. It is neither Obama's or the US's job to run the world. Although I know some will disagree with me on that.

InHiding80 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

Degeneratefk said:

This is just getting to be too much. This is how we are going to have to live forever. Always that fear in the back of our minds.

I understand you don't agree with me but this could have been avoided for the most part by not letting them in ours and other countries and unless Obama gets off his muslim loving ass it will only get worse or if/ when Trump is elected things will change. perfect reason not to vote for Hillary.

Godfather.

is it obama's fault the sky is blue now too? jesus.

this could all have been avoided if the US didn't go to iraq. American and British foreign policy created a whole generation of people a reason to hate all democratic "western" nations.

he is the commander and chief right.....sad as it is and every time he talks about muslims he say's nothing or very little about their involvement in terrorist attacks, he's just another excuse maker. look at our country since he's been elected....a friggin mess ! I can't wait until he leaves office.

Godfather.

In what way is this country a mess since he's been elected? Let's use actual measures...

Let's start with unemployment? That has surely gone through the roof? Oh, yeah, right...

How about the GDP? Oh yeah, right....

How about the number of soldiers killed in wars? Oh yeah, right...

How about the number of civilians killed by terrorist attacks? Oh yeah, right...

How about the number of people with health insurance? Oh yeah, right...

Do you propose we look at anything else? Or is this just more of your idiocy?

don't forget america's image. it has drastically improved the world over.

we were not necessarily the most liked of countries when cowboy w and dick were running the show.

you stop threatening people, people start to want to try to like you again.

And believe it or not, violent crime is down...

So, still waiting to hear any details about how awful things are...

Then why all the bitching about guns?

Who is benefiting from all this GDP? Seems like the gap between the rich and poor continues to grow.

The world is getting more destabilized by the day. Britain voted to get out of the EU. Some of the most liberal countries in Europe are closing their boarders.

Liberals complain about everything but at the same time praise Obama about all his accomplishments. They are hollow accomplishments.

you conveniently left out that 5 million brits asked for a do-over vote and that they regret voting to leave. but if it doesn't fit the narrative i can see why.

Fact - You conveniently left out that no matter how many people want a do-over they can't.
Liberal on the fence no decision makers made this happen.

no, stupid right wing trumpian politicians made it happen. then they bailed and decided that they did not want to hold major government positions afterward.

What the hell does Trump have to do with a vote in Britain? He's that powerful abroad already?

because the leaders were uneducated blowhards just like trump. they whipped unimformed people up into a tizzy, got them to vote the way they wanted them to vote, and bailed when they found out how hard it would be to lead. the exact same thing trump is doing and will do when things get hard.

What have you accomplished vs what Trump has accomplished? What makes you believe he's uninformed? What makes you think the British folks are uninformed?

Oh, yeah. They don't agree with you. Aren't you a physical therapist? What do you know of world affairs that all those people don't? what is your information based on that theirs isn't? I'm baffled by how educated you are on what other people know.

What makes you think a non politician like Trump knows everything about it?

See? I can post strawmen too!

I love the strawman argument. You deem it a strawman, so it is so. Try another cliche.

Anyway, all I was saying was - how can you call him or the Brits uniformed? You may not like the conclusions they draw, but ignorance is a whole other level. In terms of Trump, he's clearly been involved in international business and associated dealings. Whether you think he's a success or not, or like the way he's gone about it, my guess is he is more informed on a lot of this stuff than those of us sitting at home reading shit. Again, whether you like his conclusions based in that knowledge and experience - completely different discussion.

And btw, in case you didn't follow the Trump allusion that Gimme felt the need to make had nothing to do with Brexit. It was just a completely gratuitous shot at someone he doesn't like.