Hillary won more votes for President

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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,532
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    Nate Silver out-forecast almost everyone last time. I'm keeping an eye on him and his analysis again this time. Secretary Clinton took a hit but I think she'll rebound because she has the policies.

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

    Nate Silver was already wrong on Trump once...

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-i-acted-like-a-pundit-and-screwed-up-on-donald-trump/
    Yeah he ignored his model.
    This is what I love - a guy is wrong once in a while, so then the obvious logic is he'll be wrong every step of the way going forward.

    We live in an insane world.
    That isn't the logic being presented. The logic is that even Nate Silver is not infallible. By thinking he's infallible you are tempting fate instead.

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

    Forecast has been adjusted and can be adjusted in either direction as the days and months move on. It is early.
    Who said he's infallible? He still has the most reasonable, comprehensive forecasts out there.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Clinton Endorsement Backfires as Sanders’ Supporters Look to Jill Stein

    http://observer.com/2016/07/clinton-endorsement-backfires-as-sanders-supporters-look-to-jill-stein/

    Yes it is opinion, but boy does it represent a ton of Sanders supporters.

  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Free said:

    Clinton Endorsement Backfires as Sanders’ Supporters Look to Jill Stein

    http://observer.com/2016/07/clinton-endorsement-backfires-as-sanders-supporters-look-to-jill-stein/

    Yes it is opinion, but boy does it represent a ton of Sanders supporters.

    Yep, my Facebook feed is most definitely filled with Stein support in place of the pervious Bernie support. There is plenty of Hillary resentment in that crowd that feels that their hard work and support was sabotaged by the Democratic Party.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    PJPOWER said:

    Free said:

    Clinton Endorsement Backfires as Sanders’ Supporters Look to Jill Stein

    http://observer.com/2016/07/clinton-endorsement-backfires-as-sanders-supporters-look-to-jill-stein/

    Yes it is opinion, but boy does it represent a ton of Sanders supporters.

    Yep, my Facebook feed is most definitely filled with Stein support in place of the pervious Bernie support. There is plenty of Hillary resentment in that crowd that feels that their hard work and support was sabotaged by the Democratic Party.
    Their hard work is admirable, but it lost out to the mainstream candidate. It's that simple. Just because you lose, doesn't mean you got screwed. It's a terrible mentality to carry around.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Free said:

    Clinton Endorsement Backfires as Sanders’ Supporters Look to Jill Stein

    http://observer.com/2016/07/clinton-endorsement-backfires-as-sanders-supporters-look-to-jill-stein/

    Yes it is opinion, but boy does it represent a ton of Sanders supporters.

    Yep, my Facebook feed is most definitely filled with Stein support in place of the pervious Bernie support. There is plenty of Hillary resentment in that crowd that feels that their hard work and support was sabotaged by the Democratic Party.
    Their hard work is admirable, but it lost out to the mainstream candidate. It's that simple. Just because you lose, doesn't mean you got screwed. It's a terrible mentality to carry around.
    Hillary blew it with Sanders supporters, she's actually the big loser here due to the sheer number of Bernie supporters she wants and needs desperately.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Free said:

    Clinton Endorsement Backfires as Sanders’ Supporters Look to Jill Stein

    http://observer.com/2016/07/clinton-endorsement-backfires-as-sanders-supporters-look-to-jill-stein/

    Yes it is opinion, but boy does it represent a ton of Sanders supporters.

    Yep, my Facebook feed is most definitely filled with Stein support in place of the pervious Bernie support. There is plenty of Hillary resentment in that crowd that feels that their hard work and support was sabotaged by the Democratic Party.
    Their hard work is admirable, but it lost out to the mainstream candidate. It's that simple. Just because you lose, doesn't mean you got screwed. It's a terrible mentality to carry around.
    Yeah, keep preaching that to them, I'm sure they will change their mind and become Hillary lovers. Will you hold true to that statement if Trump wins?
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    Free said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Free said:

    Clinton Endorsement Backfires as Sanders’ Supporters Look to Jill Stein

    http://observer.com/2016/07/clinton-endorsement-backfires-as-sanders-supporters-look-to-jill-stein/

    Yes it is opinion, but boy does it represent a ton of Sanders supporters.

    Yep, my Facebook feed is most definitely filled with Stein support in place of the pervious Bernie support. There is plenty of Hillary resentment in that crowd that feels that their hard work and support was sabotaged by the Democratic Party.
    Their hard work is admirable, but it lost out to the mainstream candidate. It's that simple. Just because you lose, doesn't mean you got screwed. It's a terrible mentality to carry around.
    Hillary blew it with Sanders supporters, she's actually the big loser here due to the sheer number of Bernie supporters she wants and needs desperately.
    Who cares. Many of these supporters would have voted third party anyway if Sanders hadn't co-opted the Democratic party just to get media attention. If he hadn't run as a Democrat, a vast majority of his supporters wouldn't even know who or what he is, and now the active ones who were far left and would have voted Stein anyway will just go back home. The rest will either lose interest or vote for Hillary.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,190
    It's still going to come down to Clinton v Trump. If Sanders' supporters are so butt hurt that they won't vote for Clinton to help her defeat Trump then I kind of hope he wins to teach them a lesson.

    There is only one enemy here....that's the racist right wing republican party of which there is only one candidate.
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    edited July 2016
    PJPOWER said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Free said:

    Clinton Endorsement Backfires as Sanders’ Supporters Look to Jill Stein

    http://observer.com/2016/07/clinton-endorsement-backfires-as-sanders-supporters-look-to-jill-stein/

    Yes it is opinion, but boy does it represent a ton of Sanders supporters.

    Yep, my Facebook feed is most definitely filled with Stein support in place of the pervious Bernie support. There is plenty of Hillary resentment in that crowd that feels that their hard work and support was sabotaged by the Democratic Party.
    Their hard work is admirable, but it lost out to the mainstream candidate. It's that simple. Just because you lose, doesn't mean you got screwed. It's a terrible mentality to carry around.
    Yeah, keep preaching that to them, I'm sure they will change their mind and become Hillary lovers. Will you hold true to that statement if Trump wins?
    It's not my objective or role to convince our resident Sander's supporters. But I also don't like victim mentalities too, which seems to be prevalent in this crowd.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Free said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Free said:

    Clinton Endorsement Backfires as Sanders’ Supporters Look to Jill Stein

    http://observer.com/2016/07/clinton-endorsement-backfires-as-sanders-supporters-look-to-jill-stein/

    Yes it is opinion, but boy does it represent a ton of Sanders supporters.

    Yep, my Facebook feed is most definitely filled with Stein support in place of the pervious Bernie support. There is plenty of Hillary resentment in that crowd that feels that their hard work and support was sabotaged by the Democratic Party.
    Their hard work is admirable, but it lost out to the mainstream candidate. It's that simple. Just because you lose, doesn't mean you got screwed. It's a terrible mentality to carry around.
    Hillary blew it with Sanders supporters, she's actually the big loser here due to the sheer number of Bernie supporters she wants and needs desperately.
    What did HRC do that blew it? She moved on minimum wage, education and TPP. Sounds like she adjusted her platform to accommodate.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    Nate Silver out-forecast almost everyone last time. I'm keeping an eye on him and his analysis again this time. Secretary Clinton took a hit but I think she'll rebound because she has the policies.

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

    Nate Silver was already wrong on Trump once...

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-i-acted-like-a-pundit-and-screwed-up-on-donald-trump/
    Yeah he ignored his model.
    This is what I love - a guy is wrong once in a while, so then the obvious logic is he'll be wrong every step of the way going forward.

    We live in an insane world.
    That isn't the logic being presented. The logic is that even Nate Silver is not infallible. By thinking he's infallible you are tempting fate instead.

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

    Forecast has been adjusted and can be adjusted in either direction as the days and months move on. It is early.
    Who said he's infallible? He still has the most reasonable, comprehensive forecasts out there.
    I don't disagree. You are missing the point of my response. You have claimed that somebody is using the logic "that since he was wrong a couple of times then he must be wrong from here on out." Nobody has made that statement. You invented and projected that attitude onto others just to feel superior. You make yourself the sane one in the "insane world".
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,190
    I have a hard time understanding why a Sanders supporter would vote against his wishes. That just seems ignorant as hell.

    I've heard that 67% of Sanders supporters are voting Clinton.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Kat said:

    Nate Silver out-forecast almost everyone last time. I'm keeping an eye on him and his analysis again this time. Secretary Clinton took a hit but I think she'll rebound because she has the policies.

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

    Nate Silver was already wrong on Trump once...

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-i-acted-like-a-pundit-and-screwed-up-on-donald-trump/
    Yeah he ignored his model.
    This is what I love - a guy is wrong once in a while, so then the obvious logic is he'll be wrong every step of the way going forward.

    We live in an insane world.
    That isn't the logic being presented. The logic is that even Nate Silver is not infallible. By thinking he's infallible you are tempting fate instead.

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

    Forecast has been adjusted and can be adjusted in either direction as the days and months move on. It is early.
    Who said he's infallible? He still has the most reasonable, comprehensive forecasts out there.
    I don't disagree. You are missing the point of my response. You have claimed that somebody is using the logic "that since he was wrong a couple of times then he must be wrong from here on out." Nobody has made that statement. You invented and projected that attitude onto others just to feel superior. You make yourself the sane one in the "insane world".
    Did you just invent the poster's motivation for the statement?
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499

    It's still going to come down to Clinton v Trump. If Sanders' supporters are so butt hurt that they won't vote for Clinton to help her defeat Trump then I kind of hope he wins to teach them a lesson.

    There is only one enemy here....that's the racist right wing republican party of which there is only one candidate.

    Wow, you are starting to sound like a typical Trump voter here. The "Hope he wins to teach them a lesson" is 90% of the reason he has gained so much ground against the other GOP candidates.
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    Excellent article on what President Clinton II will do for America (it's even full of facts and statistics :-):
    prospect.org/article/what-hillary-clinton%E2%80%99s-agenda
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Free said:

    Clinton Endorsement Backfires as Sanders’ Supporters Look to Jill Stein

    http://observer.com/2016/07/clinton-endorsement-backfires-as-sanders-supporters-look-to-jill-stein/

    Yes it is opinion, but boy does it represent a ton of Sanders supporters.

    Yep, my Facebook feed is most definitely filled with Stein support in place of the pervious Bernie support. There is plenty of Hillary resentment in that crowd that feels that their hard work and support was sabotaged by the Democratic Party.
    Their hard work is admirable, but it lost out to the mainstream candidate. It's that simple. Just because you lose, doesn't mean you got screwed. It's a terrible mentality to carry around.
    Yeah, keep preaching that to them, I'm sure they will change their mind and become Hillary lovers. Will you hold true to that statement if Trump wins?
    It's not my objective or role to convince our resident Sander's supporters. But I also don't like victim mentalities too, which seems to be prevalent in this crowd.
    Quite the opposite. Those who want us to vote for Hillary because of your fear of the Trump presidency? You're the ones playing the victim mentality and blaming others.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Free said:

    Clinton Endorsement Backfires as Sanders’ Supporters Look to Jill Stein

    http://observer.com/2016/07/clinton-endorsement-backfires-as-sanders-supporters-look-to-jill-stein/

    Yes it is opinion, but boy does it represent a ton of Sanders supporters.

    Yep, my Facebook feed is most definitely filled with Stein support in place of the pervious Bernie support. There is plenty of Hillary resentment in that crowd that feels that their hard work and support was sabotaged by the Democratic Party.
    Their hard work is admirable, but it lost out to the mainstream candidate. It's that simple. Just because you lose, doesn't mean you got screwed. It's a terrible mentality to carry around.
    Yeah, keep preaching that to them, I'm sure they will change their mind and become Hillary lovers. Will you hold true to that statement if Trump wins?
    It's not my objective or role to convince our resident Sander's supporters. But I also don't like victim mentalities too, which seems to be prevalent in this crowd.

    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Free said:

    Clinton Endorsement Backfires as Sanders’ Supporters Look to Jill Stein

    http://observer.com/2016/07/clinton-endorsement-backfires-as-sanders-supporters-look-to-jill-stein/

    Yes it is opinion, but boy does it represent a ton of Sanders supporters.

    Yep, my Facebook feed is most definitely filled with Stein support in place of the pervious Bernie support. There is plenty of Hillary resentment in that crowd that feels that their hard work and support was sabotaged by the Democratic Party.
    Their hard work is admirable, but it lost out to the mainstream candidate. It's that simple. Just because you lose, doesn't mean you got screwed. It's a terrible mentality to carry around.
    Hillary blew it with Sanders supporters, she's actually the big loser here due to the sheer number of Bernie supporters she wants and needs desperately.
    What did HRC do that blew it? She moved on minimum wage, education and TPP. Sounds like she adjusted her platform to accommodate.
    You say you know what Bernie supporters are all about, why don't you answer your own question?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Free said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Free said:

    Clinton Endorsement Backfires as Sanders’ Supporters Look to Jill Stein

    http://observer.com/2016/07/clinton-endorsement-backfires-as-sanders-supporters-look-to-jill-stein/

    Yes it is opinion, but boy does it represent a ton of Sanders supporters.

    Yep, my Facebook feed is most definitely filled with Stein support in place of the pervious Bernie support. There is plenty of Hillary resentment in that crowd that feels that their hard work and support was sabotaged by the Democratic Party.
    Their hard work is admirable, but it lost out to the mainstream candidate. It's that simple. Just because you lose, doesn't mean you got screwed. It's a terrible mentality to carry around.
    Yeah, keep preaching that to them, I'm sure they will change their mind and become Hillary lovers. Will you hold true to that statement if Trump wins?
    It's not my objective or role to convince our resident Sander's supporters. But I also don't like victim mentalities too, which seems to be prevalent in this crowd.
    Quite the opposite. Those who want us to vote for Hillary because of your fear of the Trump presidency? You're the ones playing the victim mentality and blaming others.
    I don't remember telling you to fear Trump. As I've said over and over, elections are about choices and a rational person will vote for someone that best represents their worldview or values, even if it doesn't align perfectly. I'm against $15 minimum wage. I think it should be indexed. I don't agree with the free tuition and I've been clear I definitely support the TPP. But on balance, I would prefer HRC to Trump so even though those policies don't sit well, I don't want to burn the place down.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562

    I have a hard time understanding why a Sanders supporter would vote against his wishes. That just seems ignorant as hell.

    I've heard that 67% of Sanders supporters are voting Clinton.

    Voting for Hillary would go against our wishes. You got that right.

    And speaking of polls, and I know so many of you do, even when they mean nothing...

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/07/12/us/politics/ap-us-ap-poll-young-americans-clinton-key-findings.html?_r=1&referer=http://usuncut.com/politics/hillary-clinton-bad-week/

    Poll: Clinton Struggles to Make Inroads With Young Voters
    WASHINGTON — Hillary Clinton is having trouble attracting younger voters who enthusiastically backed Bernie Sanders during the Democratic presidential primary, according to a first-of-its-kind poll that pays special attention to the voices of young adults of color.

    The new GenForward poll of adults ages 18 to 30 shows that a majority of the nation's younger blacks and Asian-Americans have a favorable impression of Clinton, but the presumptive Democratic nominee struggles with whites and Hispanics.

    Here's a look at some of the findings from the survey conducted by the Black Youth Project at the University of Chicago with the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

    ___

    WEAKNESS AMONG WHITE AND HISPANIC YOUNG VOTERS

    Just 26 percent of young whites and 49 percent of Hispanics have a positive opinion of the former secretary of state. Both groups overwhelmingly say she is not trustworthy.

    The survey widely polled young adults, not necessarily registered or likely voters, but the findings suggest Clinton may struggle to turn out voters aged 18 to 30. While Clinton emerged victorious in her unexpectedly tough primary with Sanders, the contest revealed a stunning weakness with such young voters.

    The GenForward poll found that among those who preferred Sanders in the primaries, only half are prepared to say they'll back Clinton in her general election face-off with presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump.

    Clinton's support is strongest among young blacks, half of whom consider her honest and trustworthy and two-thirds of whom say they have a favorable opinion of Clinton. Among young Asians, 55 percent view Clinton at least somewhat favorably.

    ___

    LESSER OF TWO EVILS

    While Clinton campaign officials acknowledge their candidate's disconnect with young people, they see the prospect of a Trump presidency as perhaps the best way to motivate those voters in November.

    Indeed, the GenForward poll found that Trump's standing with young people is staggeringly negative. Just 19 percent of young voters have a favorable opinion of the businessman. Among minorities, a paltry 6 percent of African-Americans, 10 percent of Hispanics and 12 percent of Asian-Americans see him favorably. Trump performs strongest with young whites.

    "I'm very afraid of the potential for his presidency," said Emily Erickson, a 30-year-old from Minneapolis who is planning to vote for Clinton. Erickson, who is interested in social justice and women's issues, said Trump is "not thoughtful or willing to be intelligent."

    But Clinton's campaign may not simply be able to count on young voters seeing her as the lesser of two evils in a race against Trump. Seven in 10 young voters — including majorities of blacks, whites, Asians and Hispanics — say they are unsatisfied with the race between Clinton and Trump and want the option of a third party candidate.

    ___

    REBUILDING THE OBAMA COALITION

    Young people were an important part of the diverse coalition Obama put together during his two successful White House runs. Exit polls found that Obama carried 66 percent of voters 18-30 years old in the 2008 election and 60 percent during his re-election campaign.

    While Obama carried the majority of younger white voters in 2008, his support dipped to 44 percent in 2012. The president had the overwhelming backing of black and Hispanic voters under 30 in both campaigns, mirroring his overall support from both groups.

    But the GenForward poll shows weaknesses in Clinton's support among young Hispanics, who prefer Sanders to Clinton by nearly a 3-to-1 margin. More than 4 in 10 had an unfavorable opinion of Clinton, and they were also more likely to say Clinton is untrustworthy and slightly more likely to say she's unqualified to be president than young African-Americans.

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    REACHING OUT TO SANDERS VOTERS

    Clinton has made moves in recent days to attract some of Sanders' loyal young supporters, including unveiling a college affordability plan that would make in-state tuition free for families making $125,000 or less per year. Sanders proposed free tuition at public higher education institutions for all, a plan supported by three-quarters of young adults, according to the survey.

    Sanders formally endorsed Clinton on Tuesday during a rally in New Hampshire, a step her campaign sees as an important signal to the Vermont senator's backers.

    Clinton spokeswoman Xochitl Hinojosa said the candidate "believes we must do everything we can to make sure that millennial voters have their voice heard in our campaign." She noted that the campaign recently hired three former Sanders aides to lead an effort to boost outreach to young people.

  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited July 2016
    Something that anti-Bernie supporters don't understand about us: we won't just "fall in line". And we remember how she treated us, which was far from nice. If she thinks that she can convert us that easily? It's just plain funny as Hell.
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