Hillary won more votes for President

josevolution

mattsl1983 said:

What is so terrible about trump that I should vote for his opponent blindly then? I find that to be a bit of an absurd answer.

Ok
1- he totally depicted Mexicans as rapist & criminals
2- he totally disrespected a war hero
3- he disrespected all Muslims
4- he made fun of the disabled writter
5- he made fun of Fiorinas face
6- he called out the judge for being Mexican when in fact was born in Indiana

ok anyone else wanna take over writting what else he has said that is totally wrong how about all the lies ....

mrussel1

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

What is so terrible about trump that I should vote for his opponent blindly then? I find that to be a bit of an absurd answer.

Ok
1- he totally depicted Mexicans as rapist & criminals
2- he totally disrespected a war hero
3- he disrespected all Muslims
4- he made fun of the disabled writter
5- he made fun of Fiorinas face
6- he called out the judge for being Mexican when in fact was born in Indiana

ok anyone else wanna take over writting what else he has said that is totally wrong how about all the lies ....

There's no reason to do so. Anyone with a passing interest in politics is aware of these things. And if they don't have a passing interest, they are likely not on the Train hanging on this thread. I would be surprised if he was uninformed but I could be wrong. More likely he either agrees with Trump's positions or finds HRC so disagreeable that he prefers Trump. Either way, you ain't changing minds.

josevolution

mrussel1 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

What is so terrible about trump that I should vote for his opponent blindly then? I find that to be a bit of an absurd answer.

Ok
1- he totally depicted Mexicans as rapist & criminals
2- he totally disrespected a war hero
3- he disrespected all Muslims
4- he made fun of the disabled writter
5- he made fun of Fiorinas face
6- he called out the judge for being Mexican when in fact was born in Indiana

ok anyone else wanna take over writting what else he has said that is totally wrong how about all the lies ....

There's no reason to do so. Anyone with a passing interest in politics is aware of these things. And if they don't have a passing interest, they are likely not on the Train hanging on this thread. I would be surprised if he was uninformed but I could be wrong. More likely he either agrees with Trump's positions or finds HRC so disagreeable that he prefers Trump. Either way, you ain't changing minds.

You know i would have more respect for the Trumpsters here if they just said i'm voting for him because i agree with everything he stands for , any way back to Clinton yeah shes not the one i would of chosen to represent me but as of now their is zero chance id ever vote for Trump ...

mrussel1

josevolution said:

mrussel1 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

What is so terrible about trump that I should vote for his opponent blindly then? I find that to be a bit of an absurd answer.

Ok
1- he totally depicted Mexicans as rapist & criminals
2- he totally disrespected a war hero
3- he disrespected all Muslims
4- he made fun of the disabled writter
5- he made fun of Fiorinas face
6- he called out the judge for being Mexican when in fact was born in Indiana

ok anyone else wanna take over writting what else he has said that is totally wrong how about all the lies ....

There's no reason to do so. Anyone with a passing interest in politics is aware of these things. And if they don't have a passing interest, they are likely not on the Train hanging on this thread. I would be surprised if he was uninformed but I could be wrong. More likely he either agrees with Trump's positions or finds HRC so disagreeable that he prefers Trump. Either way, you ain't changing minds.

You know i would have more respect for the Trumpsters here if they just said i'm voting for him because i agree with everything he stands for , any way back to Clinton yeah shes not the one i would of chosen to represent me but as of now their is zero chance id ever vote for Trump ...

I would have preferred Biden. I voted Obama in the Primary in 08. But either way HRC better represents my beliefs than Trump. It's that simple.

mattsl1983

I'm very informed on both. I'm surprised no one has brought up a single policy that they think is right or the direction they want to see America go in. This election will be won by demonizing and hatred for the other candidate. You can go tit for tat on how screwed up each one is, if prefer to hear some policies personally.

PJ_Soul

mattsl1983 said:

I'm very informed on both. I'm surprised no one has brought up a single policy that they think is right or the direction they want to see America go in. This election will be won by demonizing and hatred for the other candidate. You can go tit for tat on how screwed up each one is, if prefer to hear some policies personally.

You're surprised no has brought up a single policy that they think is right or the direction they want to see America go in.... when? Like in the last half hour? Most people have shared that extensively over months or even years here in the AMT, in this thread and in others.

mrussel1

mattsl1983 said:

I'm very informed on both. I'm surprised no one has brought up a single policy that they think is right or the direction they want to see America go in. This election will be won by demonizing and hatred for the other candidate. You can go tit for tat on how screwed up each one is, if prefer to hear some policies personally.

Okay here we go:

1. I support maintaining our membership in NATO. Trump does not.
2. I support keeping the Korea peninsula nuclear free. Trump does not.
3. I support the Iran deal. Trump does not
4. I support an increase in min wage
5. I support continuing Health Care Act
6. I support TPP (unfortunately neither does, which I think is a mistake)
7. I support restricting sales of assault weapons, speed bullets and the like
8. I support continuing to try to isolate Russia as it tries to increase its spheres of influence, particularly in Ukraine. Trump does not. He admires Putin.

Go ahead and bring up a Trump policy. I'm betting 95% of them I will be against.

josevolution

mattsl1983 said:

I'm very informed on both. I'm surprised no one has brought up a single policy that they think is right or the direction they want to see America go in. This election will be won by demonizing and hatred for the other candidate. You can go tit for tat on how screwed up each one is, if prefer to hear some policies personally.

Trump has given you policy's
I'm gonna build a wall the best wall ever no one can build walls like me ..
i'm gonna make the best deals because i'm a bussiness man ....
we're gonna win so much we will get tired of winning ..

http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

mattsl1983

PJ_Soul said:

mattsl1983 said:

I'm very informed on both. I'm surprised no one has brought up a single policy that they think is right or the direction they want to see America go in. This election will be won by demonizing and hatred for the other candidate. You can go tit for tat on how screwed up each one is, if prefer to hear some policies personally.

You're surprised no has brought up a single policy that they think is right or the direction they want to see America go in.... when? Like in the last half hour? Most people have shared that extensively over months or even years here in the AMT, in this thread and in others.

I asked a question, and read the answers. I'm not going to go back and read over the past years worth of comments. Was looking forward to some discussion of why. And why are some of y'all so hostile and confrontational on yalls posts?

mrussel1

mattsl1983 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mattsl1983 said:

I'm very informed on both. I'm surprised no one has brought up a single policy that they think is right or the direction they want to see America go in. This election will be won by demonizing and hatred for the other candidate. You can go tit for tat on how screwed up each one is, if prefer to hear some policies personally.

You're surprised no has brought up a single policy that they think is right or the direction they want to see America go in.... when? Like in the last half hour? Most people have shared that extensively over months or even years here in the AMT, in this thread and in others.

I asked a question, and read the answers. I'm not going to go back and read over the past years worth of comments. Was looking forward to some discussion of why. And why are some of y'all so hostile and confrontational on yalls posts?

I hooked you up on policy. Go ahead. Which of those are you more aligned with Trump than Clinton?

mattsl1983

mrussel1 said:

mattsl1983 said:

I'm very informed on both. I'm surprised no one has brought up a single policy that they think is right or the direction they want to see America go in. This election will be won by demonizing and hatred for the other candidate. You can go tit for tat on how screwed up each one is, if prefer to hear some policies personally.

Okay here we go:

1. I support maintaining our membership in NATO. Trump does not.
2. I support keeping the Korea peninsula nuclear free. Trump does not.
3. I support the Iran deal. Trump does not
4. I support an increase in min wage
5. I support continuing Health Care Act
6. I support TPP (unfortunately neither does, which I think is a mistake)
7. I support restricting sales of assault weapons, speed bullets and the like
8. I support continuing to try to isolate Russia as it tries to increase its spheres of influence, particularly in Ukraine. Trump does not. He admires Putin.

Go ahead and bring up a Trump policy. I'm betting 95% of them I will be against.

Why would I want to bring up a trump policy? Take the war helmet off and don't look for confrontation. I just want to hear real reasons why I should vote for Hilary.

mrussel1

mattsl1983 said:

mrussel1 said:

mattsl1983 said:

I'm very informed on both. I'm surprised no one has brought up a single policy that they think is right or the direction they want to see America go in. This election will be won by demonizing and hatred for the other candidate. You can go tit for tat on how screwed up each one is, if prefer to hear some policies personally.

Okay here we go:

1. I support maintaining our membership in NATO. Trump does not.
2. I support keeping the Korea peninsula nuclear free. Trump does not.
3. I support the Iran deal. Trump does not
4. I support an increase in min wage
5. I support continuing Health Care Act
6. I support TPP (unfortunately neither does, which I think is a mistake)
7. I support restricting sales of assault weapons, speed bullets and the like
8. I support continuing to try to isolate Russia as it tries to increase its spheres of influence, particularly in Ukraine. Trump does not. He admires Putin.

Go ahead and bring up a Trump policy. I'm betting 95% of them I will be against.

Why would I want to bring up a trump policy? Take the war helmet off and don't look for confrontation. I just want to hear real reasons why I should vote for Hilary.

I just told you. Where do you stand on these?

PJ_Soul

mattsl1983 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mattsl1983 said:

I'm very informed on both. I'm surprised no one has brought up a single policy that they think is right or the direction they want to see America go in. This election will be won by demonizing and hatred for the other candidate. You can go tit for tat on how screwed up each one is, if prefer to hear some policies personally.

You're surprised no has brought up a single policy that they think is right or the direction they want to see America go in.... when? Like in the last half hour? Most people have shared that extensively over months or even years here in the AMT, in this thread and in others.

I asked a question, and read the answers. I'm not going to go back and read over the past years worth of comments. Was looking forward to some discussion of why. And why are some of y'all so hostile and confrontational on yalls posts?

It helps if you don't apply an aggressive tone to the posts inside your own head I guess. Because FYI, this is not me being aggressive or hostile. If you mean more generally, it's because most of us are passionate folks who care about what we're talking about and sometimes get emotional and frustrated with views that don't make sense or that are worrisome or offensive or whatever, as people are wont to do. You definitely need a thick skin to hang out in the AMT! Since you chimed in I don't think anyone has been particularly hostile compared to when things get really heated.

mattsl1983

1. I agree we should keep NATO intact. Trump never said he would pull out of NATO, he has talked about it needing to be restructured because it is costing us millions, and talked about he would look at it and wouldn't rule pulling out. Different than saying we are pulling out of NATO.

2. I'm not sure how you go about keeping North Korea from advancing militarily.

3. I don't support the Iran deal.

4. I think it should be up to the states to increase minimum wage. Cost of living is different state to state.

5. I support the idea of universal healthcare, but from people I know that had to sign up for it say it is nothing like the were told it was going to be. If that's the case, it needs to be looked at, possibly overhauled or changed up. I personally have no experience with it and it didn't effect my health care provider.

6 TPP I don't fully understand it. I think the agreement is something absurd like 5,000 pages long. No comment.

7. I support some new gun restrictions. Both parties had two bills go up and all four were shot down a couple of weeks ago in congress. Both sides are looking at this matter.

8. Russia is a hard deal. I'm not sold on isolating them. I think we need to find a way to work with them.

mrussel1

mattsl1983 said:

1. I agree we should keep NATO intact. Trump never said he would pull out of NATO, he has talked about it needing to be restructured because it is costing us millions, and talked about he would look at it and wouldn't rule pulling out. Different than saying we are pulling out of NATO.

2. I'm not sure how you go about keeping North Korea from advancing militarily.

3. I don't support the Iran deal.

4. I think it should be up to the states to increase minimum wage. Cost of living is different state to state.

5. I support the idea of universal healthcare, but from people I know that had to sign up for it say it is nothing like the were told it was going to be. If that's the case, it needs to be looked at, possibly overhauled or changed up. I personally have no experience with it and it didn't effect my health care provider.

6 TPP I don't fully understand it. I think the agreement is something absurd like 5,000 pages long. No comment.

7. I support some new gun restrictions. Both parties had two bills go up and all four were shot down a couple of weeks ago in congress. Both sides are looking at this matter.

8. Russia is a hard deal. I'm not sold on isolating them. I think we need to find a way to work with them.

1. Perhaps, but this is more of Trump's off the cuff musings. IMO, he hasn't thought about NATO for five minutes since the campaigning started.
2. You keep N. Korea from going nuclear by maintaining sanctions. But a big piece is preventing S. Korea and Japan from going nuclear, which has been the benchmark of policy in Asia since the end of WWII.
4. Notice I didn't say 'federal' minimum wage. Several months ago I wrote a lengthy post about created a federally mandated tiered index of the min. wage based on the COLA of the recognized MSA. This would solve the issue you bring forth, although in a complex way. I'm not sure it is implementable, but it's a theory.
8. Russia must be isolated when they look to thwart democracy like they did in the Ukraine. This is particularly a hot button issue for me as I'm a Uke and very distrustful of the Russian Bear. If they don't seek to disrupt NATO, like he is doing now, then yeah we can work with him.

mrussel1

^^and I didn't even mention the wall or pathway to citizenship. I fully believe that we need a pathway. The Gang of 8 were on the right path before they got bullied into disbanding.

mattsl1983

I think you need to crack down on the boarders first and then offer a pathway once the boarders are secure.

mattsl1983

Borders'. Damn auto spell.

mrussel1

mattsl1983 said:

I think you need to crack down on the boarders first and then offer a pathway once the boarders are secure.

NO argument there.. But that's not Mr. Trump's position.

Bentleyspop

Here are drumpfs policy proposals...

1. Crooked Hillary
2. Lying Hillary
3. Rigged for Hillary
4. Pocahontas
5. Repeat 1-4