so supporting death penalty, patriot act, keystone, wall street bailouts, etc makes her a liberal!? ...
and on iraq war - her access to intelligence actually makes her support even worse ... to send your country to war on a manufactured case is brutal ...
"[The G.O.P.] already have a 1-percenter who will be totally fine in the Oval Office, someone they can trust to help Wall Street, boost the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, cuddle with hedge funds, secure the trade deals beloved by corporate America, seek guidance from Henry Kissinger and hawk it up — unleashing hell on Syria and heaven knows where else.
The Republicans have their candidate: It’s Hillary."
Yup!
i love how her supporters ignore these posts ...
Except she is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-entitlements... What you are seeing is an opportunity for the Democrats to further expand its playing field, and its constituency. Trump has presented an opportunity of a lifetime and the Clinton campaign is wisely expanding its state reach and electoral advantage. White married women and college educated whites are moving towards the Dems. Good for her, good for the Democrats and good for the country.
No one is avoiding anything....but don't expect a bunch of talk about an opinion piece.
This is so false it's laughable. Dems are leaving the party in record numbers.
"[The G.O.P.] already have a 1-percenter who will be totally fine in the Oval Office, someone they can trust to help Wall Street, boost the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, cuddle with hedge funds, secure the trade deals beloved by corporate America, seek guidance from Henry Kissinger and hawk it up — unleashing hell on Syria and heaven knows where else.
The Republicans have their candidate: It’s Hillary."
Yup!
i love how her supporters ignore these posts ...
Except she is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-entitlements... What you are seeing is an opportunity for the Democrats to further expand its playing field, and its constituency. Trump has presented an opportunity of a lifetime and the Clinton campaign is wisely expanding its state reach and electoral advantage. White married women and college educated whites are moving towards the Dems. Good for her, good for the Democrats and good for the country.
No one is avoiding anything....but don't expect a bunch of talk about an opinion piece.
This is so false it's laughable. Dems are leaving the party in record numbers.
What is laughable are the GOP members that are coming out in favor of Clinton over Trump.
“Remember that term ‘Reagan Democrat?’” Adam Parkhomenko, the founder of the super-PAC Ready for Hillary wrote in a post on Twitter over the weekend. “Hearing a lot of ‘Clinton Republican’ nowadays.”
Republicans for Clinton include top GOP fundraiser and former tech executive Meg Whitman, former Michigan governor William Milliken, former MGM CEO and GOP donor Harry Sloan and retiring Rep. Richard Hanna (N.Y.).
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"[The G.O.P.] already have a 1-percenter who will be totally fine in the Oval Office, someone they can trust to help Wall Street, boost the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, cuddle with hedge funds, secure the trade deals beloved by corporate America, seek guidance from Henry Kissinger and hawk it up — unleashing hell on Syria and heaven knows where else.
The Republicans have their candidate: It’s Hillary."
Yup!
i love how her supporters ignore these posts ...
Except she is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-entitlements... What you are seeing is an opportunity for the Democrats to further expand its playing field, and its constituency. Trump has presented an opportunity of a lifetime and the Clinton campaign is wisely expanding its state reach and electoral advantage. White married women and college educated whites are moving towards the Dems. Good for her, good for the Democrats and good for the country.
No one is avoiding anything....but don't expect a bunch of talk about an opinion piece.
This is so false it's laughable. Dems are leaving the party in record numbers.
What is laughable are the GOP members that are coming out in favor of Clinton over Trump.
“Remember that term ‘Reagan Democrat?’” Adam Parkhomenko, the founder of the super-PAC Ready for Hillary wrote in a post on Twitter over the weekend. “Hearing a lot of ‘Clinton Republican’ nowadays.”
Republicans for Clinton include top GOP fundraiser and former tech executive Meg Whitman, former Michigan governor William Milliken, former MGM CEO and GOP donor Harry Sloan and retiring Rep. Richard Hanna (N.Y.).
Nothing surprising about that. She is a closet republican after all.
"[The G.O.P.] already have a 1-percenter who will be totally fine in the Oval Office, someone they can trust to help Wall Street, boost the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, cuddle with hedge funds, secure the trade deals beloved by corporate America, seek guidance from Henry Kissinger and hawk it up — unleashing hell on Syria and heaven knows where else.
The Republicans have their candidate: It’s Hillary."
Yup!
i love how her supporters ignore these posts ...
Except she is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-entitlements... What you are seeing is an opportunity for the Democrats to further expand its playing field, and its constituency. Trump has presented an opportunity of a lifetime and the Clinton campaign is wisely expanding its state reach and electoral advantage. White married women and college educated whites are moving towards the Dems. Good for her, good for the Democrats and good for the country.
No one is avoiding anything....but don't expect a bunch of talk about an opinion piece.
This is so false it's laughable. Dems are leaving the party in record numbers.
And going where? The libertarians are far out polling the Greens
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I can understand why some might want to support Hillary to defeat Trump but describing HRC as "progressive" is beyond imagining. It's like saying The Partridge Family are hare core punk.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I can understand why some might want to support Hillary to defeat Trump but describing HRC as "progressive" is beyond imagining. It's like saying The Partridge Family are hare core punk.
I'm progressive and she is progressive enough for me. Are you the keeper of the definition or do we all get opinions?
From what you reveal of yourself here Russell, you are no progressive. Very funny that you think this actually.
Again, your litmus test. All I see are the same tendencies that the Tea Party and alt-right uses. And how has that worked out? The TP is dead. The alt-right could lose by 250 EVs. Purists are so blinded by ideology that they fail to see their lack of appeal. So they retreat to their echo chambers and can't figure out why they lose.
"[The G.O.P.] already have a 1-percenter who will be totally fine in the Oval Office, someone they can trust to help Wall Street, boost the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, cuddle with hedge funds, secure the trade deals beloved by corporate America, seek guidance from Henry Kissinger and hawk it up — unleashing hell on Syria and heaven knows where else.
The Republicans have their candidate: It’s Hillary."
Yup!
i love how her supporters ignore these posts ...
Except she is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-entitlements... What you are seeing is an opportunity for the Democrats to further expand its playing field, and its constituency. Trump has presented an opportunity of a lifetime and the Clinton campaign is wisely expanding its state reach and electoral advantage. White married women and college educated whites are moving towards the Dems. Good for her, good for the Democrats and good for the country.
No one is avoiding anything....but don't expect a bunch of talk about an opinion piece.
This is so false it's laughable. Dems are leaving the party in record numbers.
Care to back that claim up with some facts? Dems are leaving the party in record numbers. Yea, sure. Guess they're all going over to Trump? Maybe to Bernie to sit this one out? I don't think I've read anyone on here call Hillary "progressive." Because we know a "progressive" in the literal sense can't get elected. The vast majority of the electorate are in the middle, not too far right, nor too far left. Hence, why Bernie is watching from the sidelines.
"[The G.O.P.] already have a 1-percenter who will be totally fine in the Oval Office, someone they can trust to help Wall Street, boost the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, cuddle with hedge funds, secure the trade deals beloved by corporate America, seek guidance from Henry Kissinger and hawk it up — unleashing hell on Syria and heaven knows where else.
The Republicans have their candidate: It’s Hillary."
Yup!
i love how her supporters ignore these posts ...
Except she is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-entitlements... What you are seeing is an opportunity for the Democrats to further expand its playing field, and its constituency. Trump has presented an opportunity of a lifetime and the Clinton campaign is wisely expanding its state reach and electoral advantage. White married women and college educated whites are moving towards the Dems. Good for her, good for the Democrats and good for the country.
No one is avoiding anything....but don't expect a bunch of talk about an opinion piece.
This is so false it's laughable. Dems are leaving the party in record numbers.
Care to back that claim up with some facts? Dems are leaving the party in record numbers. Yea, sure. Guess they're all going over to Trump? Maybe to Bernie to sit this one out? I don't think I've read anyone on here call Hillary "progressive." Because we know a "progressive" in the literal sense can't get elected. The vast majority of the electorate are in the middle, not too far right, nor too far left. Hence, why Bernie is watching from the sidelines.
Agreed, but I would say a liberal, who in my mind, is left of a progressive , would struggle to be elected vs a progressive. I don't gobi the progressive term carries the same connotation.
Intelligent conversation is lost on Hillary supporters because all they know how to do is deflect and blame and blindly defend.
You guys prove that point over and over and over again.
How about we do something different for a change and actually talk about Hillary objectively. Why are you guys not capable? Because this is getting very old.
Intelligent conversation is lost on Hillary supporters because all they know how to do is deflect and blame and blindly defend.
You guys prove that point over and over and over again.
How about we do something different for a change and actually talk about Hillary objectively. Why are you guys not capable? Because this is getting very old.
You call this intelligent conversation?
I don't like where the tone of this thread has gone. Just a bunch of ridiculous, false insults being thrown back and forth. There is absolutely no value to it at all. Free, you're asking for intelligent conversation but offer absolutely nothing to promote it. You throw out posts like this in some attempt to make it seem like you're trying to rise above it, but you're not. You're still just doing all of the things that you are criticizing in others. Lol, as though you are capable of talking about anything objectively yourself. If you are, I haven't seen it. Plus, you seem to be sticking the "Hillary supporters" label on those who don't really appear to be Hillary supporters.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Prominent Clinton Researcher Author Victor Thorn found dead of apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound
note–at this point the info is scant, but the ‘official’ story is that Victor apparently took his own life.
A shit load of people with close ties to the Clintons and their respective operations turning up dead. All coincidences, right? I've never paid to much attention to these because that's when you really start to appear like a conspiracy nut, however the recent deaths of that DNC data guy and now this guy are very troubling
So that's two people, which does not arouse suspicion. Who else composes this shit load of dead people? I am not aware of any but haven't been paying attention to who's died. Your comment is intriguing though. What information are you finding troubling?
https://truthkings.com/47-clinton-friends-mysteriously-turned-dead/# Here is the list that gets people asking questions. No idea what this website is all about, just providing the info requested. This stuff has been out there since before Bill ran for potus. I find it hard to believe that the clintons were involved in all (or most) of these. But I find it harder to believe they were not involved in ANY of them. I would think this is where the term 'Dixie mafia' came from. Whitewater and the mena airport drug smuggling operations would be scandals worth covering up if you had grand political aspirations. I think we could find a skeleton/body or two in most national politicians closets. Or maybe I've watched too much House of Cards (anyone else think the show is loosely based on the clintons?) I hate that we are all so afraid to be considered conspiracy theorists. Narrows the narrative way too much.
"[The G.O.P.] already have a 1-percenter who will be totally fine in the Oval Office, someone they can trust to help Wall Street, boost the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, cuddle with hedge funds, secure the trade deals beloved by corporate America, seek guidance from Henry Kissinger and hawk it up — unleashing hell on Syria and heaven knows where else.
The Republicans have their candidate: It’s Hillary."
Yup!
i love how her supporters ignore these posts ...
Actually some of us have made this argument before. Both Obama and Clinton are moderates that would pass as republicans 20 years ago.
We know this. You are the ones that seem to have the problem grasping it.
then why is it that so many people try to pass her off as a progressive when she clearly isn't?
And that was an exact point from yesterday! That she is a progressive!
Wrong, i said she is the most progressive candidate running who could actually ne president.
i think compared to the RNC, trump and the like ... people appear to be progressive but in a more objective look ... likely isn't ...
So is our POTUS a progressive or conservative?
definitely not a progressive but that could be just tied into the system ... i could see if he lived elsewhere - he probably would be one ...
There will be very little daylight between his policies and HRC's, in my estimation. I wonder if she will get the same benefit of the doubt from liberals.
It sounds like people use the the terms progressive and liberal interchangeably. I don't. I think a liberal is to the left of a progressive. I think the latter are more incrementalists.
i think compared to the RNC, trump and the like ... people appear to be progressive but in a more objective look ... likely isn't ...
So is our POTUS a progressive or conservative?
definitely not a progressive but that could be just tied into the system ... i could see if he lived elsewhere - he probably would be one ...
There will be very little daylight between his policies and HRC's, in my estimation. I wonder if she will get the same benefit of the doubt from liberals.
It sounds like people use the the terms progressive and liberal interchangeably. I don't. I think a liberal is to the left of a progressive. I think the latter are more incrementalists.
for sure their policies will be the same ... that's been the crux of much of what I have been writing on this board ... the system is rigged by the establishment to cater to the establishment ... not gonna change under clinton or trump ...
in any case - I do believe personally that Obama is a progressive at heart but not Clinton ... not by any stretch ...
key issues if you are a progressive: * anti-war * anti-corporate welfare * pro environment
There are so many sites with the info that Dems are leaving their party, I couldn't list them all. Feel free to Google yourself.
It should be easy enough for you to link us to one then shouldn't it? Which one is most accurate for you to make the claim that Dems are leaving their party in record numbers?
There are so many sites with the info that Dems are leaving their party, I couldn't list them all. Feel free to Google yourself.
It should be easy enough for you to link us to one then shouldn't it? Which one is most accurate for you to make the claim that Dems are leaving their party in record numbers?
I wonder where these supposed sites are getting their data? Polls perhaps?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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and on iraq war - her access to intelligence actually makes her support even worse ... to send your country to war on a manufactured case is brutal ...
http://m.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/with_trump_sure_to_lose_forget_about_a_progressive_clinton_20160815
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/290923-clinton-republicans-are-2016-trend
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Agreed, but I would say a liberal, who in my mind, is left of a progressive , would struggle to be elected vs a progressive. I don't gobi the progressive term carries the same connotation.
yeah...looking bad for Hillary
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
You guys prove that point over and over and over again.
How about we do something different for a change and actually talk about Hillary objectively. Why are you guys not capable? Because this is getting very old.
I don't like where the tone of this thread has gone. Just a bunch of ridiculous, false insults being thrown back and forth. There is absolutely no value to it at all. Free, you're asking for intelligent conversation but offer absolutely nothing to promote it. You throw out posts like this in some attempt to make it seem like you're trying to rise above it, but you're not. You're still just doing all of the things that you are criticizing in others. Lol, as though you are capable of talking about anything objectively yourself. If you are, I haven't seen it. Plus, you seem to be sticking the "Hillary supporters" label on those who don't really appear to be Hillary supporters.
It sounds like people use the the terms progressive and liberal interchangeably. I don't. I think a liberal is to the left of a progressive. I think the latter are more incrementalists.
in any case - I do believe personally that Obama is a progressive at heart but not Clinton ... not by any stretch ...
key issues if you are a progressive:
* anti-war
* anti-corporate welfare
* pro environment
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