Hillary won more votes for President

mrussel1 · July 2016

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:
No charges. Wow. Everyone who is interested should watch the Comey statements in entirity. He basically outlined all the ways Hillary was negligent including the sending of unprotected classified info but then said no charges. The fix was in.
Right...if indicted it's great, if not indicted it's a fix
Comey did completely indict her judgement. Charges or no charges he completely disqualified her fitness to serve as commander in chief. If there is to be honour in government the democratic party and the media should immediately insist that she drop out of the race. There is still time to find another candidate. Everybody on here knows what she has done and can no longer blindly support her. Do the honourable thing.
I hadn't thought of it this way. Looks like I'm voting Trump.
This isn't about Trump or not Trump. We are talking about demanding accountability and honour. A judge just ruled today that personal emails are not beyond FOIA requests and this will apply to her going forward.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/private-email-freedom-of-information-225100

This will not end and will only get messier. For those who demand transparency in government need to speak out.

How is there not transparency? The incidents were investigated for months. She was interviewed. The FBI recommended no charges be filed. For what, are you precisely looking?

BS44325 · July 2016

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:
No charges. Wow. Everyone who is interested should watch the Comey statements in entirity. He basically outlined all the ways Hillary was negligent including the sending of unprotected classified info but then said no charges. The fix was in.
Right...if indicted it's great, if not indicted it's a fix
Comey did completely indict her judgement. Charges or no charges he completely disqualified her fitness to serve as commander in chief. If there is to be honour in government the democratic party and the media should immediately insist that she drop out of the race. There is still time to find another candidate. Everybody on here knows what she has done and can no longer blindly support her. Do the honourable thing.
I hadn't thought of it this way. Looks like I'm voting Trump.
This isn't about Trump or not Trump. We are talking about demanding accountability and honour. A judge just ruled today that personal emails are not beyond FOIA requests and this will apply to her going forward.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/private-email-freedom-of-information-225100

This will not end and will only get messier. For those who demand transparency in government need to speak out.
How is there not transparency? The incidents were investigated for months. She was interviewed. The FBI recommended no charges be filed. For what, are you precisely looking?

Are you serious? Transparency is supposed to exist without the need of an investigation. Hillary and her staff were required to send emails through a government system and set up the private system in order to evade transparency. The use of this private email system was discovered through the Benghazi investigation and the only reason we have any access to these messages now is from repeated investigation and FOIA lawsuits that Hillary continues to drag her heals on. This is not transparency! You should absolutely know better.

Kat · July 2016

Thanks all.

With all the retroactive classifying and stuff, it's not a surprise that mistakes are made. It's a huge amount of emails. I think it was something like 20+ million emails of the Bush Admin that used private RNC servers but the emails were never preserved so couldn't be investigated, wasn't it? Hopefully, they made no mistakes. I'm sure they were careful so no classified material was spread around.

BS44325 · July 2016

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

Kat said:
I missed the part where he said the involved emails were MARKED classified when she or her team received them. Did anyone else hear that part? Thanks.
He specifically mentioned how the concept of being "marked" is irrelevant. That there we emails both sent and received by her that she both knew and/or ought to have known were classified. Classification occurs at the time of information being written and "markings" do not make it classified.
But if classified then the emails should have originated at a classified server. That seems to be the case here. Emails were sent to Clinton and she replied to them that may have been classified but whomever sent them to her should NOT have done so in an unclassified format.

Correct but that does not absolve Clinton in the slightest. Anyone on the chain is responsible and as head of the state department it is encumbant upon her to put a stop to the dispersal of classified information.

Dirtie_Frank · July 2016

Kat said:
I missed the part where he said the involved emails were MARKED classified when she or her team received them. Did anyone else hear that part? Thanks.

From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent.

mrussel1 · July 2016

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:
No charges. Wow. Everyone who is interested should watch the Comey statements in entirity. He basically outlined all the ways Hillary was negligent including the sending of unprotected classified info but then said no charges. The fix was in.
Right...if indicted it's great, if not indicted it's a fix
Comey did completely indict her judgement. Charges or no charges he completely disqualified her fitness to serve as commander in chief. If there is to be honour in government the democratic party and the media should immediately insist that she drop out of the race. There is still time to find another candidate. Everybody on here knows what she has done and can no longer blindly support her. Do the honourable thing.
I hadn't thought of it this way. Looks like I'm voting Trump.
This isn't about Trump or not Trump. We are talking about demanding accountability and honour. A judge just ruled today that personal emails are not beyond FOIA requests and this will apply to her going forward.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/private-email-freedom-of-information-225100

This will not end and will only get messier. For those who demand transparency in government need to speak out.
How is there not transparency? The incidents were investigated for months. She was interviewed. The FBI recommended no charges be filed. For what, are you precisely looking?
Are you serious? Transparency is supposed to exist without the need of an investigation. Hillary and her staff were required to send emails through a government system and set up the private system in order to evade transparency. The use of this private email system was discovered through the Benghazi investigation and the only reason we have any access to these messages now is from repeated investigation and FOIA lawsuits that Hillary continues to drag her heals on. This is not transparency! You should absolutely know better.

"Transparency is supposed to exist without the need of an investigation"? Are you that naive? When in history has that been the norm? Which planet do you live on where criminals turn themselves in. Where philanders out themselves in public. Where you give your bag of weed to the security guard in the pit proactively and say you're sorry?

The Clinton team never believed they did anything wrong. And the lack of prosecution recommendation validates that feeling.

BS44325 · July 2016

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:
No charges. Wow. Everyone who is interested should watch the Comey statements in entirity. He basically outlined all the ways Hillary was negligent including the sending of unprotected classified info but then said no charges. The fix was in.
Right...if indicted it's great, if not indicted it's a fix
Comey did completely indict her judgement. Charges or no charges he completely disqualified her fitness to serve as commander in chief. If there is to be honour in government the democratic party and the media should immediately insist that she drop out of the race. There is still time to find another candidate. Everybody on here knows what she has done and can no longer blindly support her. Do the honourable thing.
I hadn't thought of it this way. Looks like I'm voting Trump.
This isn't about Trump or not Trump. We are talking about demanding accountability and honour. A judge just ruled today that personal emails are not beyond FOIA requests and this will apply to her going forward.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/private-email-freedom-of-information-225100

This will not end and will only get messier. For those who demand transparency in government need to speak out.
How is there not transparency? The incidents were investigated for months. She was interviewed. The FBI recommended no charges be filed. For what, are you precisely looking?
Are you serious? Transparency is supposed to exist without the need of an investigation. Hillary and her staff were required to send emails through a government system and set up the private system in order to evade transparency. The use of this private email system was discovered through the Benghazi investigation and the only reason we have any access to these messages now is from repeated investigation and FOIA lawsuits that Hillary continues to drag her heals on. This is not transparency! You should absolutely know better.
"Transparency is supposed to exist without the need of an investigation"? Are you that naive? When in history has that been the norm? Which planet do you live on where criminals turn themselves in. Where philanders out themselves in public. Where you give your bag of weed to the security guard in the pit proactively and say you're sorry?

The Clinton team never believed they did anything wrong. And the lack of prosecution recommendation validates that feeling.

Wow. I'm sorry. I thought transparency in government was a big deal on these boards. My bad.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/01d398239bd04ed9841ffb8c23ebfa3f/clinton-related-state-dept-records-delays-are-mounting

BS44325 · July 2016

Kat said:
Thanks all. With all the retroactive classifying and stuff, it's not a surprise that mistakes are made. It's a huge amount of emails. I think it was something like 20+ million emails of the Bush Admin that used private RNC servers but the emails were never preserved so couldn't be investigated, wasn't it? Hopefully, they made no mistakes. I'm sure they were careful so no classified material was spread around.

Except classified material was spread around. That has been acknowledged today. It was also acknowledged that it is highly likely foreign agencies accessed this information.

mrussel1 · July 2016

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:
No charges. Wow. Everyone who is interested should watch the Comey statements in entirity. He basically outlined all the ways Hillary was negligent including the sending of unprotected classified info but then said no charges. The fix was in.
Right...if indicted it's great, if not indicted it's a fix
Comey did completely indict her judgement. Charges or no charges he completely disqualified her fitness to serve as commander in chief. If there is to be honour in government the democratic party and the media should immediately insist that she drop out of the race. There is still time to find another candidate. Everybody on here knows what she has done and can no longer blindly support her. Do the honourable thing.
I hadn't thought of it this way. Looks like I'm voting Trump.
This isn't about Trump or not Trump. We are talking about demanding accountability and honour. A judge just ruled today that personal emails are not beyond FOIA requests and this will apply to her going forward.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/private-email-freedom-of-information-225100

This will not end and will only get messier. For those who demand transparency in government need to speak out.
How is there not transparency? The incidents were investigated for months. She was interviewed. The FBI recommended no charges be filed. For what, are you precisely looking?
Are you serious? Transparency is supposed to exist without the need of an investigation. Hillary and her staff were required to send emails through a government system and set up the private system in order to evade transparency. The use of this private email system was discovered through the Benghazi investigation and the only reason we have any access to these messages now is from repeated investigation and FOIA lawsuits that Hillary continues to drag her heals on. This is not transparency! You should absolutely know better.
"Transparency is supposed to exist without the need of an investigation"? Are you that naive? When in history has that been the norm? Which planet do you live on where criminals turn themselves in. Where philanders out themselves in public. Where you give your bag of weed to the security guard in the pit proactively and say you're sorry?

The Clinton team never believed they did anything wrong. And the lack of prosecution recommendation validates that feeling.

Wow. I'm sorry. I guess transparency in government was a big deal on these boards. My bad.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/01d398239bd04ed9841ffb8c23ebfa3f/clinton-related-state-dept-records-delays-are-mounting

I've written multiple times that we've never had more transparency in government than we do today. We've also never had better access to information, voter registration, participation, etc. Our democracy has never been healthier than it is today. I'm very supportive of continual effort to improve things and never rest where we are, but people who think things are horrible and worsening are unbelievably disconnected from history. My statement is made on the whole, not the individual.

BS44325 · July 2016

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:
No charges. Wow. Everyone who is interested should watch the Comey statements in entirity. He basically outlined all the ways Hillary was negligent including the sending of unprotected classified info but then said no charges. The fix was in.
Right...if indicted it's great, if not indicted it's a fix
Comey did completely indict her judgement. Charges or no charges he completely disqualified her fitness to serve as commander in chief. If there is to be honour in government the democratic party and the media should immediately insist that she drop out of the race. There is still time to find another candidate. Everybody on here knows what she has done and can no longer blindly support her. Do the honourable thing.
I hadn't thought of it this way. Looks like I'm voting Trump.
This isn't about Trump or not Trump. We are talking about demanding accountability and honour. A judge just ruled today that personal emails are not beyond FOIA requests and this will apply to her going forward.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/private-email-freedom-of-information-225100

This will not end and will only get messier. For those who demand transparency in government need to speak out.
How is there not transparency? The incidents were investigated for months. She was interviewed. The FBI recommended no charges be filed. For what, are you precisely looking?
Are you serious? Transparency is supposed to exist without the need of an investigation. Hillary and her staff were required to send emails through a government system and set up the private system in order to evade transparency. The use of this private email system was discovered through the Benghazi investigation and the only reason we have any access to these messages now is from repeated investigation and FOIA lawsuits that Hillary continues to drag her heals on. This is not transparency! You should absolutely know better.
"Transparency is supposed to exist without the need of an investigation"? Are you that naive? When in history has that been the norm? Which planet do you live on where criminals turn themselves in. Where philanders out themselves in public. Where you give your bag of weed to the security guard in the pit proactively and say you're sorry?

The Clinton team never believed they did anything wrong. And the lack of prosecution recommendation validates that feeling.

Wow. I'm sorry. I guess transparency in government was a big deal on these boards. My bad.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/01d398239bd04ed9841ffb8c23ebfa3f/clinton-related-state-dept-records-delays-are-mounting
I've written multiple times that we've never had more transparency in government than we do today. We've also never had better access to information, voter registration, participation, etc. Our democracy has never been healthier than it is today. I'm very supportive of continual effort to improve things and never rest where we are, but people who think things are horrible and worsening are unbelievably disconnected from history. My statement is made on the whole, not the individual.

Except here you have an individual going out of her way to subvert the whole.

Kat · July 2016

BS44325 said:

Kat said:
Thanks all. With all the retroactive classifying and stuff, it's not a surprise that mistakes are made. It's a huge amount of emails. I think it was something like 20+ million emails of the Bush Admin that used private RNC servers but the emails were never preserved so couldn't be investigated, wasn't it? Hopefully, they made no mistakes. I'm sure they were careful so no classified material was spread around.
Except classified material was spread around. That has been acknowledged today. It was also acknowledged that it is highly likely foreign agencies accessed this information.

Well, it involved the Hatch Act and the Presidential Records Act and I don't know how it all ended up but I don't remember the Bush Admin being on trial.

Here's the thing to me and what's important to me. Our infrastructure is in serious trouble and no one is doing anything as far as I can tell. That includes the outdated tech being used by our government with standards and up-to-the-minute gear being handled and put in place and updated regularly by the top tech people in the land. We need a modern system for that. Using ancient tech is just going to increase the problems. It makes me sad.

mrussel1 · July 2016

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:
No charges. Wow. Everyone who is interested should watch the Comey statements in entirity. He basically outlined all the ways Hillary was negligent including the sending of unprotected classified info but then said no charges. The fix was in.
Right...if indicted it's great, if not indicted it's a fix
Comey did completely indict her judgement. Charges or no charges he completely disqualified her fitness to serve as commander in chief. If there is to be honour in government the democratic party and the media should immediately insist that she drop out of the race. There is still time to find another candidate. Everybody on here knows what she has done and can no longer blindly support her. Do the honourable thing.
I hadn't thought of it this way. Looks like I'm voting Trump.
This isn't about Trump or not Trump. We are talking about demanding accountability and honour. A judge just ruled today that personal emails are not beyond FOIA requests and this will apply to her going forward.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/private-email-freedom-of-information-225100

This will not end and will only get messier. For those who demand transparency in government need to speak out.
How is there not transparency? The incidents were investigated for months. She was interviewed. The FBI recommended no charges be filed. For what, are you precisely looking?
Are you serious? Transparency is supposed to exist without the need of an investigation. Hillary and her staff were required to send emails through a government system and set up the private system in order to evade transparency. The use of this private email system was discovered through the Benghazi investigation and the only reason we have any access to these messages now is from repeated investigation and FOIA lawsuits that Hillary continues to drag her heals on. This is not transparency! You should absolutely know better.
"Transparency is supposed to exist without the need of an investigation"? Are you that naive? When in history has that been the norm? Which planet do you live on where criminals turn themselves in. Where philanders out themselves in public. Where you give your bag of weed to the security guard in the pit proactively and say you're sorry?

The Clinton team never believed they did anything wrong. And the lack of prosecution recommendation validates that feeling.

Wow. I'm sorry. I guess transparency in government was a big deal on these boards. My bad.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/01d398239bd04ed9841ffb8c23ebfa3f/clinton-related-state-dept-records-delays-are-mounting
I've written multiple times that we've never had more transparency in government than we do today. We've also never had better access to information, voter registration, participation, etc. Our democracy has never been healthier than it is today. I'm very supportive of continual effort to improve things and never rest where we are, but people who think things are horrible and worsening are unbelievably disconnected from history. My statement is made on the whole, not the individual.
Except here you have an individual going out of her way to subvert the whole.

There's no evidence that she willfully tried to subvert the system rather than trying to work efficiently.

Gern Blansten · July 2016

BS44325 said:

Kat said:
Thanks all. With all the retroactive classifying and stuff, it's not a surprise that mistakes are made. It's a huge amount of emails. I think it was something like 20+ million emails of the Bush Admin that used private RNC servers but the emails were never preserved so couldn't be investigated, wasn't it? Hopefully, they made no mistakes. I'm sure they were careful so no classified material was spread around.
Except classified material was spread around. That has been acknowledged today. It was also acknowledged that it is highly likely foreign agencies accessed this information.

No that wasn't acknowledged at all. He said that they saw no evidence that the info was accessed but he said it would be likely that they wouldn't detect that type of evidence if it had occurred.

BS44325 · July 2016

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

Kat said:
Thanks all. With all the retroactive classifying and stuff, it's not a surprise that mistakes are made. It's a huge amount of emails. I think it was something like 20+ million emails of the Bush Admin that used private RNC servers but the emails were never preserved so couldn't be investigated, wasn't it? Hopefully, they made no mistakes. I'm sure they were careful so no classified material was spread around.
Except classified material was spread around. That has been acknowledged today. It was also acknowledged that it is highly likely foreign agencies accessed this information.
No that wasn't acknowledged at all. He said that they saw no evidence that the info was accessed but he said it would be likely that they wouldn't detect that type of evidence if it had occurred.

This is what foreign agencies do you simply refuse to read between the lines.

This article just nails it

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/05/hillary-clintons-email-problems-might-be-even-worse-than-we-thought/

Why you all want to cover for her when you still have an opportunity to nominate someone else makes absolutely mo sense to me.

mrussel1 · July 2016

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

Kat said:
Thanks all. With all the retroactive classifying and stuff, it's not a surprise that mistakes are made. It's a huge amount of emails. I think it was something like 20+ million emails of the Bush Admin that used private RNC servers but the emails were never preserved so couldn't be investigated, wasn't it? Hopefully, they made no mistakes. I'm sure they were careful so no classified material was spread around.
Except classified material was spread around. That has been acknowledged today. It was also acknowledged that it is highly likely foreign agencies accessed this information.
No that wasn't acknowledged at all. He said that they saw no evidence that the info was accessed but he said it would be likely that they wouldn't detect that type of evidence if it had occurred.

This is what foreign agencies do you simply refuse to read between the lines.

This article just nails it

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/05/hillary-clintons-email-problems-might-be-even-worse-than-we-thought/

Why you all want to cover for her when you still have an opportunity to nominate someone else makes absolutely mo sense to me.

I don't have the opportunity to nominate someone else since I'm not a super delegate. So the choice continues to be Trump vs. Clinton. And there's still no comparison as to who has the judgment, wisdom, experience, acumen, etc. to be POTUS. It ain't Trump.

The GOP convention has favorable rules to nominate someone else. I'll flip over to Trump's thread and look for your condemnation over there.

bootlegger10 · July 2016

Next time I get pulled over for speeding (and there will be a next time), I'm going to pull out the 'ole "No intent to harm the US" defense and continue on my way.

mrussel1 · July 2016

bootlegger10 said:
Next time I get pulled over for speeding (and there will be a next time), I'm going to pull out the 'ole "No intent to harm the US" defense and continue on my way.

In criminal law, "intent" is one of the three classes of mens rea. So yeah, it's kinda important.

rssesq · July 2016

the "intent" was to hide the CLINTON CASH coming in and/or her relationship with Mrs. Carlos Danger/Huma Weiner

bootlegger10 · July 2016

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:
Next time I get pulled over for speeding (and there will be a next time), I'm going to pull out the 'ole "No intent to harm the US" defense and continue on my way.
In criminal law, "intent" is one of the three classes of mens rea. So yeah, it's kinda important.

How many people who get charged with gross negligence intended to harm someone?

mrussel1 · July 2016

bootlegger10 said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:
Next time I get pulled over for speeding (and there will be a next time), I'm going to pull out the 'ole "No intent to harm the US" defense and continue on my way.
In criminal law, "intent" is one of the three classes of mens rea. So yeah, it's kinda important.
How many people who get charged with gross negligence intended to harm someone?

You're arguing something else now. You've moved from intent to negligence which is a different argument. Typically in most federal statutes, you have to have an effect for there to be negligence. I don't know if that's the case for whichever statute was used here, but there has to be a damage. So if there is no evidence that the data was compromised, you can't charge someone with negligence.

Hillary won more votes for President

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