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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,476
    lukin2006 said:

    so why should 5 gators die because of the lack of judgement by parents? Could they not be tranquillized and relocated far away from people. And yes I agree Disney should have had better signage ... But people who ignored the "do not swim" sign might be the type who don't read signs.

    It was the only way to check if they had digested anything human recently.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    ^^^still dont agree with killing any species that is doing what they do ... People are invasive, we move/build where ever we feel like it then expect not to have to be cautious when in the territory of predatory wildlife.
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  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    Does it really matter which alligator ate the kid? Do the parents want to bury whatever remains in the stomach? That's the only reason I can think of to justify the search. Otherwise it's a bizarre response from animal control.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    ^^^ I wonder if Disney wanted them gone ...
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  • FoxyRedLa
    FoxyRedLa Lauren / MI Posts: 4,810
    South + water = GATORS!!

    I just don't understand.

    BUT I am an over protective worry wart! I wouldn't have my 2 year old outside near dark in a foreign back yard.

    Absolute nightmare.
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    Clearly these people aren't familiar with alligators / Florida, but they were also at a Walt Disney resort whose target demographic is young children. It's easy to see how their guard could be down.

    RE: killing all 5 alligators...... If there's a chance any one of them killed a young child, it could happen again, and I don't think they want to take that risk on Disney property. I don't know if I 100% agree with it, but I 100% understand it.

    Shitty situation all around. My heart is too broken for the parents to criticize them.
  • FoxyRedLa
    FoxyRedLa Lauren / MI Posts: 4,810
    Different area's kill off different animals to control population - what's the difference?
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,705
    No matter how you slice it Disney is culpable they will pay up ..
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    lukin2006 said:

    ^^^still dont agree with killing any species that is doing what they do ... People are invasive, we move/build where ever we feel like it then expect not to have to be cautious when in the territory of predatory wildlife.

    Sure.

    But let's not beat ourselves up too much. That child had value. We need places to live. We like entertainment while we enjoy this gift of life (hence, Disneyworld).

    I'd say that gators encroaching on human territory are the species not exercising caution- we sit atop the food chain. Bears in our area are very wary of people for good reason. They come out at night and if you do come across one in the bush... it looks at you... then runs away.

    We have our faults for sure, but let's be reasonable in this situation. If that's my kid... I want the remains to bury.

    F**king tragic.
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,906
    I'm supposed to give a FUCK about 5 alligators that were killed trying to find the remains of this poor 2 year old child?

    Some of you people need to put down the fucking bong.

    I'm supposed to shed a tear for the alligators?
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

    I'm supposed to give a FUCK about 5 alligators that were killed trying to find the remains of this poor 2 year old child?

    Some of you people need to put down the fucking bong.

    I'm supposed to shed a tear for the alligators?

    It's possible to feel for both, albeit differently.

    No need to pull out the "fucking bong" shit. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

    Shedding tears or not is on you, but please don't take your anger over feeling you should or shouldn't give a FUCK out on anyone here. Arms are not being twisted....are they?
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,906
    edited June 2016
    hedonist said:

    SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

    I'm supposed to give a FUCK about 5 alligators that were killed trying to find the remains of this poor 2 year old child?

    Some of you people need to put down the fucking bong.

    I'm supposed to shed a tear for the alligators?

    It's possible to feel for both, albeit differently.

    No need to pull out the "fucking bong" shit. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

    Shedding tears or not is on you, but please don't take your anger over feeling you should or shouldn't give a FUCK out on anyone here. Arms are not being twisted....are they?
    No anger here.

    Shedding a tear for these 5 alligators is PURE COMEDY.
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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,025
    edited June 2016
    How dare the wild animals not respect the imaginary boundaries we humans put around things on this planet? Basically to echo a sentiment expressed earlier, when you step out the door, you're entering the danger zone.

    While this is absolutely tragic for the family and (in my opinion) Disney's got some liability here, it's still a wild world we live in, and we humans aren't much more than glorified ants crawling all over the planet's surface.

    Edit: Should've thought this through before posting. While I pretty well stand by my statement, I'm reminded that I shouldn't post in AMT when I'm 2 days I to quitting cigarettes, since I likely won't handle responding to responses well. Please accept my apologies if I seem to be ignoring criticisms of my post, thanks.
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  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    Killing the gators do not bother me. Most southern states, including south Carolina and Florida, have a season for hunting alligators for population control. It would be my guess that the parents weren't aware of the danger. That doesn't make them bad parents. That doesn't mean they should have Googled "dangers in florida" before the trip. Chalk this up as the worst thing that could ever happen while on vacation.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited June 2016
    Would you let your toddler go into a natural body of water at night? By themselves? Then add no swimming signs and it's FLORIDA that have Gators. Tourists know there are gators everywhere. The parents fked up. Not Disney.

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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    josevolution said:

    No matter how you slice it Disney is culpable they will pay up ..

    Disagree. It's nature. Not Disney.

    Now due to these folks Disney will put up fences to protect themselves from further lawsuits.
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  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    callen said:

    Would you let your toddler go into a natural body of water at night? By themselves? Then add no swimming signs and it's FLORIDA that have Gators. Tourists know there are gators everywhere. The parents fked up. Not Disney.

    Natural selection

    I'm not blaming disney. Even though I think they will be paying out a boat load of money to the family.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,320
    edited June 2016
    Blaming parents for letting their kid play on the shore under supervision, at Disneyland of all places, is pretty dumb in my opinion. It's not like they were on the shore of Lake Okeechobee. They were at Disneyland on the shore of a man-made lagoon.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,320
    callen said:

    Would you let your toddler go into a natural body of water at night? By themselves? Then add no swimming signs and it's FLORIDA that have Gators. Tourists know there are gators everywhere. The parents fked up. Not Disney.

    Natural selection

    It was a man-made lagoon in Disneyland. I would expect an alligator attack as much as I would expect Mr. Toad to jump out and stab me on his wild ride.
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    It's safe to assume these tourists didn't know that gators are everywhere. If they did, they probably wouldn't have been where they were.

    I'm not blaming Disney or the parent, this was a horrible accident.

    As I said before though, I can't understand how in a society as litigious as our own, that Disney wouldn't be more cautious. People who are familiar with Florida know gators are everywhere (this includes the people who run Disney)

    People who are unfamiliar with Florida may not know how common alligators are. Was the father foolish / stupid to ignore the signs that said no swimming? Absolutely he was, but it's also not that crazy to see how someone might think they are safe from man eating predators on a resort that caters to children. ESPECIALLY if they aren't familiar with the local wildlife which these people clearly weren't.

    My heart's broken for these parents who have to try to move on with their lives. It won't be any easier for them in this ridiculously judgemental society where everyone's an expert after the fact.
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