So they trapped at least 5 gators before finding the boy ... I think that stands to reason Disney should have been aware of the potential danger. I'm surprised their risk management team let this fester.
The didn't just trap them. They killed them (or at least that's what they said on the morning news today... they called it "euthanized"... I guess they don't know the meaning of that word).
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So they trapped at least 5 gators before finding the boy ... I think that stands to reason Disney should have been aware of the potential danger. I'm surprised their risk management team let this fester.
The didn't just trap them. They killed them (or at least that's what they said on the morning news today... they called it "euthanized"... I guess they don't know the meaning of that word).
I think they did so to see if they any remains within the gators. This family from Liverpool England came here with the thoughts of a dream vacation however it has now turned into their worst nightmare.
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So they trapped at least 5 gators before finding the boy ... I think that stands to reason Disney should have been aware of the potential danger. I'm surprised their risk management team let this fester.
The didn't just trap them. They killed them (or at least that's what they said on the morning news today... they called it "euthanized"... I guess they don't know the meaning of that word).
I think they did so to see if they any remains within the gators. This family from Liverpool England came here with the thoughts of a dream vacation however it has now turned into their worst nightmare.
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Liverpool? The child and his family are from Elkhorn, Nebraska
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So they trapped at least 5 gators before finding the boy ... I think that stands to reason Disney should have been aware of the potential danger. I'm surprised their risk management team let this fester.
The didn't just trap them. They killed them (or at least that's what they said on the morning news today... they called it "euthanized"... I guess they don't know the meaning of that word).
I think they did so to see if they any remains within the gators. This family from Liverpool England came here with the thoughts of a dream vacation however it has now turned into their worst nightmare.
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Liverpool? The child and his family are from Elkhorn, Nebraska
Oh, the news here locally said Liverpool England.....my bad.
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Of course they killed 5 gators or whatever the numbers ... That's what humans do better than all other species on earth. And yes this is a nightmare for that family, of epic proportions obviously. But I've been to Florida I've seen gators on every visit. These parents should have known not to enter a lagoon at dusk in Florida...a tiny Google research would have helped. My parents (the least protective parents of all time) would take our family to north west Ontario camping and we weren't allowed to go the bathroom alone for fear of bears and both parents knew what to do if bears were around. Yes better signage would have helped, a little common sense helps as well.
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Maybe they hadn't been to Florida, and thought it'd be safe there? At Disney World? Many people wouldn't even realize to search out the potential of alligators prior to going on vacation.
I really can't blame the parents here; should have been better signage and warnings. It's Disney's property - you'd think they'd do their best to protect those on your property (not to mention yourselves, related to common sense, responsibility, plus of course liability).
so why should 5 gators die because of the lack of judgement by parents? Could they not be tranquillized and relocated far away from people. And yes I agree Disney should have had better signage ... But people who ignored the "do not swim" sign might be the type who don't read signs.
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so why should 5 gators die because of the lack of judgement by parents? Could they not be tranquillized and relocated far away from people. And yes I agree Disney should have had better signage ... But people who ignored the "do not swim" sign might be the type who don't read signs.
It was the only way to check if they had digested anything human recently.
^^^still dont agree with killing any species that is doing what they do ... People are invasive, we move/build where ever we feel like it then expect not to have to be cautious when in the territory of predatory wildlife.
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Does it really matter which alligator ate the kid? Do the parents want to bury whatever remains in the stomach? That's the only reason I can think of to justify the search. Otherwise it's a bizarre response from animal control.
Clearly these people aren't familiar with alligators / Florida, but they were also at a Walt Disney resort whose target demographic is young children. It's easy to see how their guard could be down.
RE: killing all 5 alligators...... If there's a chance any one of them killed a young child, it could happen again, and I don't think they want to take that risk on Disney property. I don't know if I 100% agree with it, but I 100% understand it.
Shitty situation all around. My heart is too broken for the parents to criticize them.
^^^still dont agree with killing any species that is doing what they do ... People are invasive, we move/build where ever we feel like it then expect not to have to be cautious when in the territory of predatory wildlife.
Sure.
But let's not beat ourselves up too much. That child had value. We need places to live. We like entertainment while we enjoy this gift of life (hence, Disneyworld).
I'd say that gators encroaching on human territory are the species not exercising caution- we sit atop the food chain. Bears in our area are very wary of people for good reason. They come out at night and if you do come across one in the bush... it looks at you... then runs away.
We have our faults for sure, but let's be reasonable in this situation. If that's my kid... I want the remains to bury.
I'm supposed to give a FUCK about 5 alligators that were killed trying to find the remains of this poor 2 year old child?
Some of you people need to put down the fucking bong.
I'm supposed to shed a tear for the alligators?
It's possible to feel for both, albeit differently.
No need to pull out the "fucking bong" shit. Not sure what that has to do with anything.
Shedding tears or not is on you, but please don't take your anger over feeling you should or shouldn't give a FUCK out on anyone here. Arms are not being twisted....are they?
I'm supposed to give a FUCK about 5 alligators that were killed trying to find the remains of this poor 2 year old child?
Some of you people need to put down the fucking bong.
I'm supposed to shed a tear for the alligators?
It's possible to feel for both, albeit differently.
No need to pull out the "fucking bong" shit. Not sure what that has to do with anything.
Shedding tears or not is on you, but please don't take your anger over feeling you should or shouldn't give a FUCK out on anyone here. Arms are not being twisted....are they?
No anger here.
Shedding a tear for these 5 alligators is PURE COMEDY.
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How dare the wild animals not respect the imaginary boundaries we humans put around things on this planet? Basically to echo a sentiment expressed earlier, when you step out the door, you're entering the danger zone.
While this is absolutely tragic for the family and (in my opinion) Disney's got some liability here, it's still a wild world we live in, and we humans aren't much more than glorified ants crawling all over the planet's surface.
Edit: Should've thought this through before posting. While I pretty well stand by my statement, I'm reminded that I shouldn't post in AMT when I'm 2 days I to quitting cigarettes, since I likely won't handle responding to responses well. Please accept my apologies if I seem to be ignoring criticisms of my post, thanks.
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Killing the gators do not bother me. Most southern states, including south Carolina and Florida, have a season for hunting alligators for population control. It would be my guess that the parents weren't aware of the danger. That doesn't make them bad parents. That doesn't mean they should have Googled "dangers in florida" before the trip. Chalk this up as the worst thing that could ever happen while on vacation.
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Would you let your toddler go into a natural body of water at night? By themselves? Then add no swimming signs and it's FLORIDA that have Gators. Tourists know there are gators everywhere. The parents fked up. Not Disney.
Would you let your toddler go into a natural body of water at night? By themselves? Then add no swimming signs and it's FLORIDA that have Gators. Tourists know there are gators everywhere. The parents fked up. Not Disney.
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I'm not blaming disney. Even though I think they will be paying out a boat load of money to the family.
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Blaming parents for letting their kid play on the shore under supervision, at Disneyland of all places, is pretty dumb in my opinion. It's not like they were on the shore of Lake Okeechobee. They were at Disneyland on the shore of a man-made lagoon.
Would you let your toddler go into a natural body of water at night? By themselves? Then add no swimming signs and it's FLORIDA that have Gators. Tourists know there are gators everywhere. The parents fked up. Not Disney.
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It was a man-made lagoon in Disneyland. I would expect an alligator attack as much as I would expect Mr. Toad to jump out and stab me on his wild ride.
It's safe to assume these tourists didn't know that gators are everywhere. If they did, they probably wouldn't have been where they were.
I'm not blaming Disney or the parent, this was a horrible accident.
As I said before though, I can't understand how in a society as litigious as our own, that Disney wouldn't be more cautious. People who are familiar with Florida know gators are everywhere (this includes the people who run Disney)
People who are unfamiliar with Florida may not know how common alligators are. Was the father foolish / stupid to ignore the signs that said no swimming? Absolutely he was, but it's also not that crazy to see how someone might think they are safe from man eating predators on a resort that caters to children. ESPECIALLY if they aren't familiar with the local wildlife which these people clearly weren't.
My heart's broken for these parents who have to try to move on with their lives. It won't be any easier for them in this ridiculously judgemental society where everyone's an expert after the fact.
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The child and his family are from Elkhorn, Nebraska
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I really can't blame the parents here; should have been better signage and warnings. It's Disney's property - you'd think they'd do their best to protect those on your property (not to mention yourselves, related to common sense, responsibility, plus of course liability).
So sad anyway. I can't imagine the horror of seeing your child dragged under by a gator.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I just don't understand.
BUT I am an over protective worry wart! I wouldn't have my 2 year old outside near dark in a foreign back yard.
Absolute nightmare.
Those that can be trusted can change their mind.
RE: killing all 5 alligators...... If there's a chance any one of them killed a young child, it could happen again, and I don't think they want to take that risk on Disney property. I don't know if I 100% agree with it, but I 100% understand it.
Shitty situation all around. My heart is too broken for the parents to criticize them.
Those that can be trusted can change their mind.
But let's not beat ourselves up too much. That child had value. We need places to live. We like entertainment while we enjoy this gift of life (hence, Disneyworld).
I'd say that gators encroaching on human territory are the species not exercising caution- we sit atop the food chain. Bears in our area are very wary of people for good reason. They come out at night and if you do come across one in the bush... it looks at you... then runs away.
We have our faults for sure, but let's be reasonable in this situation. If that's my kid... I want the remains to bury.
F**king tragic.
Some of you people need to put down the fucking bong.
I'm supposed to shed a tear for the alligators?
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
No need to pull out the "fucking bong" shit. Not sure what that has to do with anything.
Shedding tears or not is on you, but please don't take your anger over feeling you should or shouldn't give a FUCK out on anyone here. Arms are not being twisted....are they?
Shedding a tear for these 5 alligators is PURE COMEDY.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
While this is absolutely tragic for the family and (in my opinion) Disney's got some liability here, it's still a wild world we live in, and we humans aren't much more than glorified ants crawling all over the planet's surface.
Edit: Should've thought this through before posting. While I pretty well stand by my statement, I'm reminded that I shouldn't post in AMT when I'm 2 days I to quitting cigarettes, since I likely won't handle responding to responses well. Please accept my apologies if I seem to be ignoring criticisms of my post, thanks.
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
we will find a way, we will find our place
Natural selection
Now due to these folks Disney will put up fences to protect themselves from further lawsuits.
we will find a way, we will find our place
I'm not blaming Disney or the parent, this was a horrible accident.
As I said before though, I can't understand how in a society as litigious as our own, that Disney wouldn't be more cautious. People who are familiar with Florida know gators are everywhere (this includes the people who run Disney)
People who are unfamiliar with Florida may not know how common alligators are. Was the father foolish / stupid to ignore the signs that said no swimming? Absolutely he was, but it's also not that crazy to see how someone might think they are safe from man eating predators on a resort that caters to children. ESPECIALLY if they aren't familiar with the local wildlife which these people clearly weren't.
My heart's broken for these parents who have to try to move on with their lives. It won't be any easier for them in this ridiculously judgemental society where everyone's an expert after the fact.