I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Actually you can. You can put up warning signs.
Yep, I agree, and that's why they'll be paying a lot to settle the lawsuit. It did say no swimming though, so the family shouldn't have been in the water, whether it's toes, head, whatever. No means no, it usually doesn't need any explanation as to why. But I feel for the folks, I get it, that's just terrible.
Just saying that the dad made a mistake, and whether or not there was adequate signage is a separate legal issue. Movie night or not, amusement park or not, don't even put your fucking kid in a swimming pool in Florida without checking it out first.
Swimming is not defined as walking in water. There were no obstacles to keep people from the water. Now there are....if I'm an injury attorney I'm going to look for before and after pictures of the site and the case is closed.
that's the thing. "no swimming" does not equte to "danger". there are so swimming signs in ponds, in wishing wells that are 1 foot deep (that people put their feet in all the time without losing their lives), in outdoor fountains that are there for decoration and not homelsss baths, and may I remind everyone, 9pm in the summer is not late. the sun is still up, at least in Winnipeg. we're in the longest days of the year right now. I would assume Florida would have adequate natural light as well.
Never, ever heard of anyone in Winnipeg getting attacked by a bear coming out of one of the fountains at the parliament building.
it is not light out at 9 pm in florida.
either way. I have taken my kids down to the beach at dusk and after the sun has gone down and they sometimes put their feet in the water. and that's not a resort. that's a natural lake.
I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Actually you can. You can put up warning signs.
Yep, I agree, and that's why they'll be paying a lot to settle the lawsuit. It did say no swimming though, so the family shouldn't have been in the water, whether it's toes, head, whatever. No means no, it usually doesn't need any explanation as to why. But I feel for the folks, I get it, that's just terrible.
Just saying that the dad made a mistake, and whether or not there was adequate signage is a separate legal issue. Movie night or not, amusement park or not, don't even put your fucking kid in a swimming pool in Florida without checking it out first.
Swimming is not defined as walking in water. There were no obstacles to keep people from the water. Now there are....if I'm an injury attorney I'm going to look for before and after pictures of the site and the case is closed.
Funny, I heard a TV lawyer say two things to the contrary:
1. That the family will have to accept whatever Disney offers because they were in the water with "no swimming" signs posted. You can't sue someone for damages if you yourself are breaking the law while you are "wronged." Disney will settle, just because it's the best thing to do, but they will have the legal advantage if the parents go for more gold beyond what they're offered.
2. None of the change in signage after the fact can be used as evidence.
I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Actually you can. You can put up warning signs.
Yep, I agree, and that's why they'll be paying a lot to settle the lawsuit. It did say no swimming though, so the family shouldn't have been in the water, whether it's toes, head, whatever. No means no, it usually doesn't need any explanation as to why. But I feel for the folks, I get it, that's just terrible.
Just saying that the dad made a mistake, and whether or not there was adequate signage is a separate legal issue. Movie night or not, amusement park or not, don't even put your fucking kid in a swimming pool in Florida without checking it out first.
Swimming is not defined as walking in water. There were no obstacles to keep people from the water. Now there are....if I'm an injury attorney I'm going to look for before and after pictures of the site and the case is closed.
that's the thing. "no swimming" does not equte to "danger". there are so swimming signs in ponds, in wishing wells that are 1 foot deep (that people put their feet in all the time without losing their lives), in outdoor fountains that are there for decoration and not homelsss baths, and may I remind everyone, 9pm in the summer is not late. the sun is still up, at least in Winnipeg. we're in the longest days of the year right now. I would assume Florida would have adequate natural light as well.
Never, ever heard of anyone in Winnipeg getting attacked by a bear coming out of one of the fountains at the parliament building.
it is not light out at 9 pm in florida.
either way. I have taken my kids down to the beach at dusk and after the sun has gone down and they sometimes put their feet in the water. and that's not a resort. that's a natural lake.
I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Actually you can. You can put up warning signs.
Yep, I agree, and that's why they'll be paying a lot to settle the lawsuit. It did say no swimming though, so the family shouldn't have been in the water, whether it's toes, head, whatever. No means no, it usually doesn't need any explanation as to why. But I feel for the folks, I get it, that's just terrible.
Just saying that the dad made a mistake, and whether or not there was adequate signage is a separate legal issue. Movie night or not, amusement park or not, don't even put your fucking kid in a swimming pool in Florida without checking it out first.
Swimming is not defined as walking in water. There were no obstacles to keep people from the water. Now there are....if I'm an injury attorney I'm going to look for before and after pictures of the site and the case is closed.
Funny, I heard a TV lawyer say two things to the contrary:
1. That the family will have to accept whatever Disney offers because they were in the water with "no swimming" signs posted. You can't sue someone for damages if you yourself are breaking the law while you are "wronged."
2. None of the change in signage after the fact can be used as evidence.
That's a shitty TV lawyer...kid wasn't swimming
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“Their exposure is phenomenal,” says Dan Cytryn, a trial lawyer at Cytryn & Velazquez, a law firm in Miami. Hotel operators “have a duty to protect (guests) from unreasonable risk of physical harm.”
"No-swimming” signs are posted on the lagoon’s beach. But if there's a legal case, it could turn on Disney’s prior knowledge about the potential dangers of wild animals at the resort.
“If they have a knowledge of (alligators’ presence), they have to pass it onto customers. If they failed to do so, it’s considered negligence, or failure to conduct yourself in a reasonable manner. What a reasonable person would do,” says Frank Branson, a trial attorney in Dallas.
Disney’s case could even be argued under a higher legal standard, gross negligence, Branson says. “It appears to me that it’s heedless — and actual disregard — of the safety and welfare of this child and family to merely have a sign up that says 'no swim',” Branson says.
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I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Actually you can. You can put up warning signs.
Yep, I agree, and that's why they'll be paying a lot to settle the lawsuit. It did say no swimming though, so the family shouldn't have been in the water, whether it's toes, head, whatever. No means no, it usually doesn't need any explanation as to why. But I feel for the folks, I get it, that's just terrible.
Just saying that the dad made a mistake, and whether or not there was adequate signage is a separate legal issue. Movie night or not, amusement park or not, don't even put your fucking kid in a swimming pool in Florida without checking it out first.
Swimming is not defined as walking in water. There were no obstacles to keep people from the water. Now there are....if I'm an injury attorney I'm going to look for before and after pictures of the site and the case is closed.
that's the thing. "no swimming" does not equte to "danger". there are so swimming signs in ponds, in wishing wells that are 1 foot deep (that people put their feet in all the time without losing their lives), in outdoor fountains that are there for decoration and not homelsss baths, and may I remind everyone, 9pm in the summer is not late. the sun is still up, at least in Winnipeg. we're in the longest days of the year right now. I would assume Florida would have adequate natural light as well.
Never, ever heard of anyone in Winnipeg getting attacked by a bear coming out of one of the fountains at the parliament building.
it is not light out at 9 pm in florida.
either way. I have taken my kids down to the beach at dusk and after the sun has gone down and they sometimes put their feet in the water. and that's not a resort. that's a natural lake.
“Their exposure is phenomenal,” says Dan Cytryn, a trial lawyer at Cytryn & Velazquez, a law firm in Miami. Hotel operators “have a duty to protect (guests) from unreasonable risk of physical harm.”
"No-swimming” signs are posted on the lagoon’s beach. But if there's a legal case, it could turn on Disney’s prior knowledge about the potential dangers of wild animals at the resort.
“If they have a knowledge of (alligators’ presence), they have to pass it onto customers. If they failed to do so, it’s considered negligence, or failure to conduct yourself in a reasonable manner. What a reasonable person would do,” says Frank Branson, a trial attorney in Dallas.
Disney’s case could even be argued under a higher legal standard, gross negligence, Branson says. “It appears to me that it’s heedless — and actual disregard — of the safety and welfare of this child and family to merely have a sign up that says 'no swim',” Branson says.
Well Disney certainly had prior knowledge that gators were present in that lagoon. They had previously removed gators from the lake and that's the part of this case that is key to me.
I'm in Palm Beach County which is 4 hours drive tine from Orlando and it's dark at 9pm....it starts getting dark just after 8:30pm.
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I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Actually you can. You can put up warning signs.
Yep, I agree, and that's why they'll be paying a lot to settle the lawsuit. It did say no swimming though, so the family shouldn't have been in the water, whether it's toes, head, whatever. No means no, it usually doesn't need any explanation as to why. But I feel for the folks, I get it, that's just terrible.
Just saying that the dad made a mistake, and whether or not there was adequate signage is a separate legal issue. Movie night or not, amusement park or not, don't even put your fucking kid in a swimming pool in Florida without checking it out first.
Swimming is not defined as walking in water. There were no obstacles to keep people from the water. Now there are....if I'm an injury attorney I'm going to look for before and after pictures of the site and the case is closed.
Funny, I heard a TV lawyer say two things to the contrary:
1. That the family will have to accept whatever Disney offers because they were in the water with "no swimming" signs posted. You can't sue someone for damages if you yourself are breaking the law while you are "wronged."
2. None of the change in signage after the fact can be used as evidence.
That's a shitty TV lawyer...kid wasn't swimming
Really, you think they're going into court to argue the definition of swimming? If that's all they've got, it's a laughable case.
"Your honor, I put my 2 foot child in 1 foot of water so he could splash. He did not float or kick his feet to propel himself forward. Therefore, he was not swimming."
"When you go to the swimming pool, does your child float and kick his feet to propel himself forward?"
"No."
"But you are aware it's called a swimming pool even though some people don't swim?"
"Yes."
"When you take your child there to splash, do you tell him you're going swimming, or do you tell him you're going splashing?"
"Uh . . . "
What I see here is the typical blame-the-greedy-corporation bandwagon. Such a predictable response. Corporations are evil. They don't care about their people. Disney just recklessly allows alligators to roam the park and eat kids because it's better for business that way. Do you not see how completely illogical that last statement is?
From the reports I've read, Disney did previously remove alligators from various places in the park . . . when they had knowledge of their being in certain places. The problem that all you geniuses don't understand is that you don't know an alligator is in the damned water unless you see him in the water. They are stealth creatures by nature. They get themselves into places without people knowing. The parents didn't see it in the water, and they were standing right fucking there. That's how hard it is *for anybody* to know if an alligator is in the water.
I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Actually you can. You can put up warning signs.
Yep, I agree, and that's why they'll be paying a lot to settle the lawsuit. It did say no swimming though, so the family shouldn't have been in the water, whether it's toes, head, whatever. No means no, it usually doesn't need any explanation as to why. But I feel for the folks, I get it, that's just terrible.
Just saying that the dad made a mistake, and whether or not there was adequate signage is a separate legal issue. Movie night or not, amusement park or not, don't even put your fucking kid in a swimming pool in Florida without checking it out first.
Swimming is not defined as walking in water. There were no obstacles to keep people from the water. Now there are....if I'm an injury attorney I'm going to look for before and after pictures of the site and the case is closed.
Funny, I heard a TV lawyer say two things to the contrary:
1. That the family will have to accept whatever Disney offers because they were in the water with "no swimming" signs posted. You can't sue someone for damages if you yourself are breaking the law while you are "wronged."
2. None of the change in signage after the fact can be used as evidence.
That's a shitty TV lawyer...kid wasn't swimming
Really, you think they're going into court to argue the definition of swimming? If that's all they've got, it's a laughable case.
"Your honor, I put my 2 foot child in 1 foot of water so he could splash. He did not float or kick his feet to propel himself forward. Therefore, he was not swimming."
"When you go to the swimming pool, does your child float and kick his feet to propel himself forward?"
"No."
"But you are aware it's called a swimming pool even though some people don't swim?"
"Yes."
"When you take your child there to splash, do you tell him you're going swimming, or do you tell him you're going splashing?"
"Uh . . . "
What I see here is the typical blame-the-greedy-corporation bandwagon. Such a predictable response. Corporations are evil. They don't care about their people. Disney just recklessly allows alligators to roam the park and eat kids because it's better for business that way. Do you not see how completely illogical that last statement is?
From the reports I've read, Disney did previously remove alligators from various places in the park . . . when they had knowledge of their being in certain places. The problem that all you geniuses don't understand is that you don't know an alligator is in the damned water unless you see him in the water. They are stealth creatures by nature. They get themselves into places without people knowing. The parents didn't see it in the water, and they were standing right fucking there. That's how hard it is *for anybody* to know if an alligator is in the water.
Yes it known how stealth gators can be that's why I asked if anyone can spot the gator in the link above.
Since Disney removed gators from that lagoon and other waterways why didn't they put up signs at that lagoon to beware of alligators and please do not feed them? Especially since they can get into places where people won't be able to see them.
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Actually you can. You can put up warning signs.
Yep, I agree, and that's why they'll be paying a lot to settle the lawsuit. It did say no swimming though, so the family shouldn't have been in the water, whether it's toes, head, whatever. No means no, it usually doesn't need any explanation as to why. But I feel for the folks, I get it, that's just terrible.
Just saying that the dad made a mistake, and whether or not there was adequate signage is a separate legal issue. Movie night or not, amusement park or not, don't even put your fucking kid in a swimming pool in Florida without checking it out first.
Swimming is not defined as walking in water. There were no obstacles to keep people from the water. Now there are....if I'm an injury attorney I'm going to look for before and after pictures of the site and the case is closed.
Funny, I heard a TV lawyer say two things to the contrary:
1. That the family will have to accept whatever Disney offers because they were in the water with "no swimming" signs posted. You can't sue someone for damages if you yourself are breaking the law while you are "wronged."
2. None of the change in signage after the fact can be used as evidence.
That's a shitty TV lawyer...kid wasn't swimming
Really, you think they're going into court to argue the definition of swimming? If that's all they've got, it's a laughable case.
"Your honor, I put my 2 foot child in 1 foot of water so he could splash. He did not float or kick his feet to propel himself forward. Therefore, he was not swimming."
"When you go to the swimming pool, does your child float and kick his feet to propel himself forward?"
"No."
"But you are aware it's called a swimming pool even though some people don't swim?"
"Yes."
"When you take your child there to splash, do you tell him you're going swimming, or do you tell him you're going splashing?"
"Uh . . . "
What I see here is the typical blame-the-greedy-corporation bandwagon. Such a predictable response. Corporations are evil. They don't care about their people. Disney just recklessly allows alligators to roam the park and eat kids because it's better for business that way. Do you not see how completely illogical that last statement is?
From the reports I've read, Disney did previously remove alligators from various places in the park . . . when they had knowledge of their being in certain places. The problem that all you geniuses don't understand is that you don't know an alligator is in the damned water unless you see him in the water. They are stealth creatures by nature. They get themselves into places without people knowing. The parents didn't see it in the water, and they were standing right fucking there. That's how hard it is *for anybody* to know if an alligator is in the water.
resident "genius" here.......if alligators had previously been removed, you don't think that obligated the resort from warning their patrons about that?? that's called fucking gross negligence. it's pretty simple. when deer have been known to cross the highway at a certain spot, the government posts signs to WATCH FOR FUCKING DEER.
and no, this is not your "predictable hate on the greedy corporation" nonsense. this isn't mcdonald's and hot coffee. A CHILD DIED THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR (OR THEIR PARENTS) OWN. there have also been reports that the resort KNEW of their high end patrons feeding the fucking things and allowing it to go on. you don't find that culpable? I sure as fuck do.
I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Actually you can. You can put up warning signs.
Yep, I agree, and that's why they'll be paying a lot to settle the lawsuit. It did say no swimming though, so the family shouldn't have been in the water, whether it's toes, head, whatever. No means no, it usually doesn't need any explanation as to why. But I feel for the folks, I get it, that's just terrible.
Just saying that the dad made a mistake, and whether or not there was adequate signage is a separate legal issue. Movie night or not, amusement park or not, don't even put your fucking kid in a swimming pool in Florida without checking it out first.
Swimming is not defined as walking in water. There were no obstacles to keep people from the water. Now there are....if I'm an injury attorney I'm going to look for before and after pictures of the site and the case is closed.
Funny, I heard a TV lawyer say two things to the contrary:
1. That the family will have to accept whatever Disney offers because they were in the water with "no swimming" signs posted. You can't sue someone for damages if you yourself are breaking the law while you are "wronged."
2. None of the change in signage after the fact can be used as evidence.
That's a shitty TV lawyer...kid wasn't swimming
Really, you think they're going into court to argue the definition of swimming? If that's all they've got, it's a laughable case.
"Your honor, I put my 2 foot child in 1 foot of water so he could splash. He did not float or kick his feet to propel himself forward. Therefore, he was not swimming."
"When you go to the swimming pool, does your child float and kick his feet to propel himself forward?"
"No."
"But you are aware it's called a swimming pool even though some people don't swim?"
"Yes."
"When you take your child there to splash, do you tell him you're going swimming, or do you tell him you're going splashing?"
"Uh . . . "
What I see here is the typical blame-the-greedy-corporation bandwagon. Such a predictable response. Corporations are evil. They don't care about their people. Disney just recklessly allows alligators to roam the park and eat kids because it's better for business that way. Do you not see how completely illogical that last statement is?
From the reports I've read, Disney did previously remove alligators from various places in the park . . . when they had knowledge of their being in certain places. The problem that all you geniuses don't understand is that you don't know an alligator is in the damned water unless you see him in the water. They are stealth creatures by nature. They get themselves into places without people knowing. The parents didn't see it in the water, and they were standing right fucking there. That's how hard it is *for anybody* to know if an alligator is in the water.
resident "genius" here.......if alligators had previously been removed, you don't think that obligated the resort from warning their patrons about that?? that's called fucking gross negligence. it's pretty simple. when deer have been known to cross the highway at a certain spot, the government posts signs to WATCH FOR FUCKING DEER.
and no, this is not your "predictable hate on the greedy corporation" nonsense. this isn't mcdonald's and hot coffee. A CHILD DIED THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR (OR THEIR PARENTS) OWN. there have also been reports that the resort KNEW of their high end patrons feeding the fucking things and allowing it to go on. you don't find that culpable? I sure as fuck do.
and as you said, I'm a goddamn genius.
Yeah deer are at their worst when they doing just that thing. Actually deer become really wild around roads when it's mating season.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Actually you can. You can put up warning signs.
Yep, I agree, and that's why they'll be paying a lot to settle the lawsuit. It did say no swimming though, so the family shouldn't have been in the water, whether it's toes, head, whatever. No means no, it usually doesn't need any explanation as to why. But I feel for the folks, I get it, that's just terrible.
Just saying that the dad made a mistake, and whether or not there was adequate signage is a separate legal issue. Movie night or not, amusement park or not, don't even put your fucking kid in a swimming pool in Florida without checking it out first.
Swimming is not defined as walking in water. There were no obstacles to keep people from the water. Now there are....if I'm an injury attorney I'm going to look for before and after pictures of the site and the case is closed.
Funny, I heard a TV lawyer say two things to the contrary:
1. That the family will have to accept whatever Disney offers because they were in the water with "no swimming" signs posted. You can't sue someone for damages if you yourself are breaking the law while you are "wronged."
2. None of the change in signage after the fact can be used as evidence.
That's a shitty TV lawyer...kid wasn't swimming
Really, you think they're going into court to argue the definition of swimming? If that's all they've got, it's a laughable case.
"Your honor, I put my 2 foot child in 1 foot of water so he could splash. He did not float or kick his feet to propel himself forward. Therefore, he was not swimming."
"When you go to the swimming pool, does your child float and kick his feet to propel himself forward?"
"No."
"But you are aware it's called a swimming pool even though some people don't swim?"
"Yes."
"When you take your child there to splash, do you tell him you're going swimming, or do you tell him you're going splashing?"
"Uh . . . "
What I see here is the typical blame-the-greedy-corporation bandwagon. Such a predictable response. Corporations are evil. They don't care about their people. Disney just recklessly allows alligators to roam the park and eat kids because it's better for business that way. Do you not see how completely illogical that last statement is?
From the reports I've read, Disney did previously remove alligators from various places in the park . . . when they had knowledge of their being in certain places. The problem that all you geniuses don't understand is that you don't know an alligator is in the damned water unless you see him in the water. They are stealth creatures by nature. They get themselves into places without people knowing. The parents didn't see it in the water, and they were standing right fucking there. That's how hard it is *for anybody* to know if an alligator is in the water.
resident "genius" here.......if alligators had previously been removed, you don't think that obligated the resort from warning their patrons about that?? that's called fucking gross negligence. it's pretty simple. when deer have been known to cross the highway at a certain spot, the government posts signs to WATCH FOR FUCKING DEER.
and no, this is not your "predictable hate on the greedy corporation" nonsense. this isn't mcdonald's and hot coffee. A CHILD DIED THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR (OR THEIR PARENTS) OWN. there have also been reports that the resort KNEW of their high end patrons feeding the fucking things and allowing it to go on. you don't find that culpable? I sure as fuck do.
and as you said, I'm a goddamn genius.
with all due respect, the parents had their toddler frolicking in a lagoon, after dusk, in florida. theres fault all around. i dont believe anyone i know would have their toddler frolicking in a lagoon in florida. man made, disney, whatever the case... i get the false sense of security argument, but im not sure i know anyone personally who would have assumed that false sense.
what a horrific thing for that family. i can't imagine living with the vision of seeing that happen, trying to stop it and not being able to. just unbearable to imagine.
people who put any blame on the parents in this care are fucking idiots in my opinion. if i was staying at a Disney resort never in a million year would i think something like what would or could happen. i mean surely other people have been close to that water's edge with babies before. it's a one in a million event.
People putting some blame on parents are idiots???
It's evening. Getting dark. There are signs that say NO SWIMMING. And you let your toddler in the water in Florida. By himself. Sorry know this is heart wrenching and humans worst fear is being prey but the parents fked up and now will become millionaires and your ticket to Disney just went up along with more signs and more fences. Why? Because some jackass didn't read the sign. Thinking even if they had gator sign, it would of been ignored as well. .
what a horrific thing for that family. i can't imagine living with the vision of seeing that happen, trying to stop it and not being able to. just unbearable to imagine.
people who put any blame on the parents in this care are fucking idiots in my opinion. if i was staying at a Disney resort never in a million year would i think something like what would or could happen. i mean surely other people have been close to that water's edge with babies before. it's a one in a million event.
People putting some blame on parents are idiots???
It's evening. Getting dark. There are signs that say NO SWIMMING. And you let your toddler in the water in Florida. By himself. Sorry know this is heart wrenching and humans worst fear is being prey but the parents fked up and now will become millionaires and your ticket to Disney just went up along with more signs and more fences. Why? Because some jackass didn't read the sign. Thinking even if they had gator sign, it would of been ignored as well. .
I thought the kid was ankle deep? That's not swimming. Also, alligators actually can walk on land. There is nothing stopping them from lunging out of the water and grabbing someone standing completely on land at the edge of these ponds. A no swimming sign is not even close to adequate.
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"“If they have a knowledge of (alligators’ presence), they have to pass it onto customers. If they failed to do so, it’s considered negligence, or failure to conduct yourself in a reasonable manner. What a reasonable person would do,” says Frank Branson, a trial attorney in Dallas."
"Citing “an insider,” TheWrap, a media industry publication, reported Wednesday that Disney’s Polynesian Village Resort was aware of an ongoing problem of guests feeding alligators and had ignored staff requests to put protective fences in place. The Polynesian Village Resort is adjacent to the Grand Floridian and a short walk along the Seven Seas Lagoon, where the alligator attacked the boy."
""If you can’t swim there, why put a beach there? The sign says one thing, but the appearance says another.”"
"That Disney’s resorts are populated by out-of-staters who are unfamiliar with alligators should also have been considered in warnings and signage, Shiner says. “In Florida, we know not to jump in,” he says."
I believe in personal responsibility, but in this case Disney fucked up big time.
It doesn't take a genius to come to this conclusion.
Hey I'm a genius and I think the dads sitting at home right now grieving but also thinking "well that was fucking stupid of me, a 2 year old doesn't need to swim at 9pm anyway"
Hey I'm a genius and I think the dads sitting at home right now grieving but also thinking "well that was fucking stupid of me, a 2 year old doesn't need to swim at 9pm anyway"
Those parents will be regretting their decision to the end of their days, but that isn't evidence that they were wrong. They would be regretting whatever action might possibly have led to their child's death, even if it were as innocuous as walking down a sidewalk that happened to be where a speeding driver plowed into them.
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what a horrific thing for that family. i can't imagine living with the vision of seeing that happen, trying to stop it and not being able to. just unbearable to imagine.
people who put any blame on the parents in this care are fucking idiots in my opinion. if i was staying at a Disney resort never in a million year would i think something like what would or could happen. i mean surely other people have been close to that water's edge with babies before. it's a one in a million event.
People putting some blame on parents are idiots???
It's evening. Getting dark. There are signs that say NO SWIMMING. And you let your toddler in the water in Florida. By himself. Sorry know this is heart wrenching and humans worst fear is being prey but the parents fked up and now will become millionaires and your ticket to Disney just went up along with more signs and more fences. Why? Because some jackass didn't read the sign. Thinking even if they had gator sign, it would of been ignored as well. .
Sorry natural section. Cold as it sounds.
Wow....so it's the kids fault? If you are using the natural selection argument you have to blame the kid.
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what a horrific thing for that family. i can't imagine living with the vision of seeing that happen, trying to stop it and not being able to. just unbearable to imagine.
people who put any blame on the parents in this care are fucking idiots in my opinion. if i was staying at a Disney resort never in a million year would i think something like what would or could happen. i mean surely other people have been close to that water's edge with babies before. it's a one in a million event.
People putting some blame on parents are idiots???
It's evening. Getting dark. There are signs that say NO SWIMMING. And you let your toddler in the water in Florida. By himself. Sorry know this is heart wrenching and humans worst fear is being prey but the parents fked up and now will become millionaires and your ticket to Disney just went up along with more signs and more fences. Why? Because some jackass didn't read the sign. Thinking even if they had gator sign, it would of been ignored as well. .
Sorry natural section. Cold as it sounds.
Wow....so it's the kids fault? If you are using the natural selection argument you have to blame the kid.
I thought the kid was ankle deep? That's not swimming. Also, alligators actually can walk on land. There is nothing stopping them from lunging out of the water and grabbing someone standing completely on land at the edge of these ponds. A no swimming sign is not even close to adequate.
Hey I'm a genius and I think the dads sitting at home right now grieving but also thinking "well that was fucking stupid of me, a 2 year old doesn't need to swim at 9pm anyway"
harsh. he wasn't swimming. he was ankle deep in the water. you never put your feet in a lake at 9pm?
I am ALL for personal responsibility, but this doesn't even come CLOSE to applying. it's a ridiculous argument, and incredibly insensitive.
I lived in Florida for a while, and yes alligators are everywhere. Nothing like a traffic jam on Dale Mabry in Tampa because some big ass alligator is crossing the road. One of the weirder experiences I had there.
Anyway, the fact is this is a horrible accident. I do believe both parties hold some responsibility. The parents definitely made a dumb move that resulted in a horrific incident that is just beyond my imagination. And if Disney knew guests were feeding alligators or guests had been threatened/chased by them in the past, then they are going to have to write a big check if they didn't post warnings for that.
I highly doubt any sane parent with one or two marbles rolling around would have let their kid touch the water, especially at night, had there been sufficient warnings for actual alligator activity. It seems pretty cut and dry to me. Just sucks all around.
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i would guess sunset in orlando around now is about 8:30 ...
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1. That the family will have to accept whatever Disney offers because they were in the water with "no swimming" signs posted. You can't sue someone for damages if you yourself are breaking the law while you are "wronged." Disney will settle, just because it's the best thing to do, but they will have the legal advantage if the parents go for more gold beyond what they're offered.
2. None of the change in signage after the fact can be used as evidence.
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I'm in Palm Beach County which is 4 hours drive tine from Orlando and it's dark at 9pm....it starts getting dark just after 8:30pm.
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"Your honor, I put my 2 foot child in 1 foot of water so he could splash. He did not float or kick his feet to propel himself forward. Therefore, he was not swimming."
"When you go to the swimming pool, does your child float and kick his feet to propel himself forward?"
"No."
"But you are aware it's called a swimming pool even though some people don't swim?"
"Yes."
"When you take your child there to splash, do you tell him you're going swimming, or do you tell him you're going splashing?"
"Uh . . . "
What I see here is the typical blame-the-greedy-corporation bandwagon. Such a predictable response. Corporations are evil. They don't care about their people. Disney just recklessly allows alligators to roam the park and eat kids because it's better for business that way. Do you not see how completely illogical that last statement is?
From the reports I've read, Disney did previously remove alligators from various places in the park . . . when they had knowledge of their being in certain places. The problem that all you geniuses don't understand is that you don't know an alligator is in the damned water unless you see him in the water. They are stealth creatures by nature. They get themselves into places without people knowing. The parents didn't see it in the water, and they were standing right fucking there. That's how hard it is *for anybody* to know if an alligator is in the water.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/us/airboat-captain-disney-gators/
Yes it known how stealth gators can be that's why I asked if anyone can spot the gator in the link above.
Since Disney removed gators from that lagoon and other waterways why didn't they put up signs at that lagoon to beware of alligators and please do not feed them? Especially since they can get into places where people won't be able to see them.
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i would guess sunset in orlando around now is about 8:30 ...
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not that. I mean Google "live twilight map".
thanks
and no, this is not your "predictable hate on the greedy corporation" nonsense. this isn't mcdonald's and hot coffee. A CHILD DIED THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR (OR THEIR PARENTS) OWN. there have also been reports that the resort KNEW of their high end patrons feeding the fucking things and allowing it to go on. you don't find that culpable? I sure as fuck do.
and as you said, I'm a goddamn genius.
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It's evening. Getting dark. There are signs that say NO SWIMMING. And you let your toddler in the water in Florida. By himself. Sorry know this is heart wrenching and humans worst fear is being prey but the parents fked up and now will become millionaires and your ticket to Disney just went up along with more signs and more fences. Why? Because some jackass didn't read the sign. Thinking even if they had gator sign, it would of been ignored as well. .
Sorry natural section. Cold as it sounds.
"“If they have a knowledge of (alligators’ presence), they have to pass it onto customers. If they failed to do so, it’s considered negligence, or failure to conduct yourself in a reasonable manner. What a reasonable person would do,” says Frank Branson, a trial attorney in Dallas."
"Citing “an insider,” TheWrap, a media industry publication, reported Wednesday that Disney’s Polynesian Village Resort was aware of an ongoing problem of guests feeding alligators and had ignored staff requests to put protective fences in place. The Polynesian Village Resort is adjacent to the Grand Floridian and a short walk along the Seven Seas Lagoon, where the alligator attacked the boy."
""If you can’t swim there, why put a beach there? The sign says one thing, but the appearance says another.”"
"That Disney’s resorts are populated by out-of-staters who are unfamiliar with alligators should also have been considered in warnings and signage, Shiner says. “In Florida, we know not to jump in,” he says."
I believe in personal responsibility, but in this case Disney fucked up big time.
It doesn't take a genius to come to this conclusion.
Ultimately, my heart goes out to the parents and how they must be....well, how they must be.
Those parents will be regretting their decision to the end of their days, but that isn't evidence that they were wrong. They would be regretting whatever action might possibly have led to their child's death, even if it were as innocuous as walking down a sidewalk that happened to be where a speeding driver plowed into them.
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I am ALL for personal responsibility, but this doesn't even come CLOSE to applying. it's a ridiculous argument, and incredibly insensitive.
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Anyway, the fact is this is a horrible accident. I do believe both parties hold some responsibility. The parents definitely made a dumb move that resulted in a horrific incident that is just beyond my imagination. And if Disney knew guests were feeding alligators or guests had been threatened/chased by them in the past, then they are going to have to write a big check if they didn't post warnings for that.
I highly doubt any sane parent with one or two marbles rolling around would have let their kid touch the water, especially at night, had there been sufficient warnings for actual alligator activity. It seems pretty cut and dry to me. Just sucks all around.