Had the parents known the risks, then they could be blamed. But, I doubt they knew the risk and so I can't really blame them. They'll blame themselves enough anyway and will probably not ever have a good day in their life after this.
Of course they killed 5 gators or whatever the numbers ... That's what humans do better than all other species on earth. And yes this is a nightmare for that family, of epic proportions obviously. But I've been to Florida I've seen gators on every visit. These parents should have known not to enter a lagoon at dusk in Florida...a tiny Google research would have helped. My parents (the least protective parents of all time) would take our family to north west Ontario camping and we weren't allowed to go the bathroom alone for fear of bears and both parents knew what to do if bears were around. Yes better signage would have helped, a little common sense helps as well.
Not everyone knows about the gator issue. Many people don't know a lot about a lot. I don't think it's fair to blame the parents. I don't think it was willful ignorance. Most people in the world actually DON'T know about alligators, what their usual habitat is, or what their feeding schedule is. That isn't common knowledge for most people who don't live anywhere near alligators, and Disneyworld hardly seems like a place where people would be assuming that there is extreme danger when it comes to wildlife. That kind of caution is generally reserved for the jungle and shit like that for average, urbanized Americans. It's not like there are travel warnings highlighted when people book tix to Florida. Yes, if there is a pond loaded with alligators at a resort, there should be "danger: alligators" signs all over the place, with pictures of alligators attacking people, not just "no swimming" signs.
thing is ... you will find gators all over the south ... in lots of bodies of water and there typically aren't signs ...
did the gator drown the boy and then leave it? anyone know?
But we're talking about a Disney resort. That's totally different.
A Disney resort in the south where there is water. I don't really understand the excuses made for people's lack of general knowledge, which this is.
I've been to Nebraska as a tourist. Before I went there, I knew there would be corn. I learned it in elementary school geography, the same time I learned there's alligators in Florida.
Had the parents known the risks, then they could be blamed. But, I doubt they knew the risk and so I can't really blame them. They'll blame themselves enough anyway and will probably not ever have a good day in their life after this.
Of course they killed 5 gators or whatever the numbers ... That's what humans do better than all other species on earth. And yes this is a nightmare for that family, of epic proportions obviously. But I've been to Florida I've seen gators on every visit. These parents should have known not to enter a lagoon at dusk in Florida...a tiny Google research would have helped. My parents (the least protective parents of all time) would take our family to north west Ontario camping and we weren't allowed to go the bathroom alone for fear of bears and both parents knew what to do if bears were around. Yes better signage would have helped, a little common sense helps as well.
Not everyone knows about the gator issue. Many people don't know a lot about a lot. I don't think it's fair to blame the parents. I don't think it was willful ignorance. Most people in the world actually DON'T know about alligators, what their usual habitat is, or what their feeding schedule is. That isn't common knowledge for most people who don't live anywhere near alligators, and Disneyworld hardly seems like a place where people would be assuming that there is extreme danger when it comes to wildlife. That kind of caution is generally reserved for the jungle and shit like that for average, urbanized Americans. It's not like there are travel warnings highlighted when people book tix to Florida. Yes, if there is a pond loaded with alligators at a resort, there should be "danger: alligators" signs all over the place, with pictures of alligators attacking people, not just "no swimming" signs.
thing is ... you will find gators all over the south ... in lots of bodies of water and there typically aren't signs ...
did the gator drown the boy and then leave it? anyone know?
But we're talking about a Disney resort. That's totally different.
A Disney resort in the south where there is water. I don't really understand the excuses made for people's lack of general knowledge, which this is.
I've been to Nebraska as a tourist. Before I went there, I knew there would be corn. I learned it in elementary school geography, the same time I learned there's alligators in Florida.
It's not like this type of event happens all the time. And I said it earlier, Disney has a way of letting parents concede some parental cautioness: a man made lagoon is a far cry from a small, backwoods lake where parental instincts might be on overdrive.
All the rides... all the treats... all the joy... all the excitement in the kids. The kid looking to dip his toes in the lagoon is not exactly snorkelling. I can picture it; parents, tear in eye, beaming with joy and pride, watching the most important item in their life laughing and splashing... then in the jaws of an alligator.
^^^ They will replay that visual until their last breath. What a fucking nightmare. There is no other story to this or debate - Their fucking kid died in a most surreal way. Can you imagine what the child felt for those last seconds.
Of course they killed 5 gators or whatever the numbers ... That's what humans do better than all other species on earth. And yes this is a nightmare for that family, of epic proportions obviously. But I've been to Florida I've seen gators on every visit. These parents should have known not to enter a lagoon at dusk in Florida...a tiny Google research would have helped. My parents (the least protective parents of all time) would take our family to north west Ontario camping and we weren't allowed to go the bathroom alone for fear of bears and both parents knew what to do if bears were around. Yes better signage would have helped, a little common sense helps as well.
Not everyone knows about the gator issue. Many people don't know a lot about a lot. I don't think it's fair to blame the parents. I don't think it was willful ignorance. Most people in the world actually DON'T know about alligators, what their usual habitat is, or what their feeding schedule is. That isn't common knowledge for most people who don't live anywhere near alligators, and Disneyworld hardly seems like a place where people would be assuming that there is extreme danger when it comes to wildlife. That kind of caution is generally reserved for the jungle and shit like that for average, urbanized Americans. It's not like there are travel warnings highlighted when people book tix to Florida. Yes, if there is a pond loaded with alligators at a resort, there should be "danger: alligators" signs all over the place, with pictures of alligators attacking people, not just "no swimming" signs.
thing is ... you will find gators all over the south ... in lots of bodies of water and there typically aren't signs ...
did the gator drown the boy and then leave it? anyone know?
But we're talking about a Disney resort. That's totally different.
A Disney resort in the south where there is water. I don't really understand the excuses made for people's lack of general knowledge, which this is.
I've been to Nebraska as a tourist. Before I went there, I knew there would be corn. I learned it in elementary school geography, the same time I learned there's alligators in Florida.
It's not like this type of event happens all the time. And I said it earlier, Disney has a way of letting parents concede some parental cautioness: a man made lagoon is a far cry from a small, backwoods lake where parental instincts might be on overdrive.
All the rides... all the treats... all the joy... all the excitement in the kids. The kid looking to dip his toes in the lagoon is not exactly snorkelling. I can picture it; parents, tear in eye, beaming with joy and pride, watching the most important item in their life laughing and splashing... then in the jaws of an alligator.
F**k me.
I totally understand the tragedy. It was a horrible, and innocent, mistake.
I'm just stunned, though, by all these people who act surprised that there's alligators at Disney. I was talking to one of my best friends who is from Orlando. She said if there's going to be a new sign, it ought to read "Beware of Wildlife." She said you can't begin to list all the things people need to think about in the Florida waters. Most people just know . . .
i wonder how many poisonous snakes reside on disney property? someone will get bit & it'll be a frickin slap upside 14 million heads that such a thing could even happen
If it was an accident and no one should blame the parents and no one should blame Disney.....those parents shouldn't be accepting and money.
I'm not a 'sue everyone' kind of guy... but if a settlement makes it easier for them to get by- which it will- I'm not going to begrudge them of it.
Foreseeability is the determining factor for negligence. I'm pretty sure an incident was foreseeable by Disney officials (if they are half as wise as our Florida natives in this thread). As such, signage and perhaps fencing might have been appropriate. It's not as if the family ran out to the pool and the gator was lurking there.
Without knowing the layout, I'm thinking they are liable.
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If it was an accident and no one should blame the parents and no one should blame Disney.....those parents shouldn't be accepting and money.
I'm not a 'sue everyone' kind of guy... but if a settlement makes it easier for them to get by- which it will- I'm not going to begrudge them of it.
Foreseeability is the determining factor for negligence. I'm pretty sure an incident was foreseeable by Disney officials (if they are half as wise as our Florida natives in this thread). As such, signage and perhaps fencing might have been appropriate. It's not as if the family ran out to the pool and the gator was lurking there.
Without knowing the layout, I'm thinking they are liable.
Especially since in the past Disney removed gators from that lagoon. So they knew it was possible for gators to be in there and get in there yet did not post any proper signage to warn the MANY out of towners that visit Disney.
I visited Disneyworld years ago with just my daughter who was 6 at the time. We did not stay on the property we stayed a few miles away (she was a competitive swimmer then) that had a pool and she swam everyday before we visited Disney. Not once while we were at Disney, at the water parks did I ever think of gators. However, years later now living here that story has completely changed even if I ever go fishing in a canal or lake.
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now this last picture i really don't want to post.... yep not gonna. it's nothing gross at all. it shows two young boys playing in ankle & knee high water at some lake in florida. the picture is titled, "do not let children play near alligator areas in florida." so basically all of florida, any natural or man made bodies of water?
i bet the flowing has happened: a man lie under his car changing the oil in his own driveway when a gator strolled on up. he has a canal for a backyard
This could have easily have happened if that boy was right at the waters edge versus right in it. Disney knew there were gators in that lake, they paid people to monitor them. The poor family was on that beach watching a movie sponsored by the hotel and Disney, right near the waters edge. Disney knew there would be small children at this event. If being in or near the water at night is a danger they shouldn't build a damn beach next to the lagoon and held night events at it. I do not blame the parents in the slightest. If there is any blame here it goes 100% to Disney. The child was 20 feet away from his parents. If you work in a cube farm look a couple cubes away from you, that was how far this child was from Mom and Dad at a Disneyland theme park hotel at a sponsored event. I hope there is a special place in hell reserved for people trying to shame these parents in the middle of one of the greatest tragedies that can happen to someone in losing a small child.
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If that big bugger turned and began chasing that lady... I'm thinking she wouldn't be as confident as she appears in that picture strolling alongside the big fella. As pleasant as she appears, she doesn't exactly exude athleticism.
disney stinks for not having warning signs up & for not doing a better job at keeping that lagoon gator free. i actually can't even wrap my head around the idea of disney not having gator/wildlife warning signage up. that is out of control crazy
If that big bugger turned and began chasing that lady... I'm thinking she wouldn't be as confident as she appears in that picture strolling alongside the big fella. As pleasant as she appears, she doesn't exactly exude athleticism.
I'd be giving a wider berth myself.
That's exactly what I was thinking, they're are animals you just don't mess with. We had several that size and bigger at the house and I used my long lense camera to take pictures but there was no way in hell would I walk alongside that gator or ANY gator. I presume she has no idea how fast those animals can move.....on a straight dash up to 30 mph. So if they ever start to chase run in a zig zag pattern.
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Disney World was warned about the alligator problem in its Seven Seas Lagoon but looked the other way because high-paying guests enjoyed feeding the creatures, a report has claimed.
Management had been warned by park staff that guests at the $2,000-a-night waterfront Bora Bora Bungalows were feeding the alligators, but ignored requests to build protective fences, a park insider said, according to TheWrap.
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If that big bugger turned and began chasing that lady... I'm thinking she wouldn't be as confident as she appears in that picture strolling alongside the big fella. As pleasant as she appears, she doesn't exactly exude athleticism.
I'd be giving a wider berth myself.
The gator's mouth is clearly taped shut, so it's mouth (from what I understand) is no threat. The claws on its feet, that's another matter. I know if I were the alligator, having my mouth taped shut, I'd be more than annoyed and would have no problem resorting to claws.
Then again, we don't know what's out of frame of the picture, lol.
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Disney World was warned about the alligator problem in its Seven Seas Lagoon but looked the other way because high-paying guests enjoyed feeding the creatures, a report has claimed.
Management had been warned by park staff that guests at the $2,000-a-night waterfront Bora Bora Bungalows were feeding the alligators, but ignored requests to build protective fences, a park insider said, according to TheWrap.
I'm not big on lawsuits unless this is gross negligence, and here it is...
Disney World was warned about the alligator problem in its Seven Seas Lagoon but looked the other way because high-paying guests enjoyed feeding the creatures, a report has claimed.
Management had been warned by park staff that guests at the $2,000-a-night waterfront Bora Bora Bungalows were feeding the alligators, but ignored requests to build protective fences, a park insider said, according to TheWrap.
Holeee shit, there it is folks.
Fuck Disney.
Double fuck anyone blaming the parents for this. What happened in your life that you can't muster a modicum of empathy for a couple who are going through the most unimaginable tragedy? I can't imagine being that empty inside, nor would I want to.
Officials at Walt World were well aware of the potential dangers posed by alligators that lived at the resort long before one killed a toddler earlier this week, according to new reports.
In a conversation with CBS News, a San Diego attorney named David Hiden said he notified a manager at the Coronado Springs Resort — part of the the Orlando Disney World complex — in April 2015 after an alligator “rapidly” came after his son, who was wading in the hotel’s lagoon.
“And the response, I couldn’t believe it,” he said in the interview. According to Hiden, the manager replied, “Those are resident pets, and we’ve known about them for years. And they’re harmless, they’re not going to attack anybody.”
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Officials at Walt World were well aware of the potential dangers posed by alligators that lived at the resort long before one killed a toddler earlier this week, according to new reports.
In a conversation with CBS News, a San Diego attorney named David Hiden said he notified a manager at the Coronado Springs Resort — part of the the Orlando Disney World complex — in April 2015 after an alligator “rapidly” came after his son, who was wading in the hotel’s lagoon.
“And the response, I couldn’t believe it,” he said in the interview. According to Hiden, the manager replied, “Those are resident pets, and we’ve known about them for years. And they’re harmless, they’re not going to attack anybody.”
Oh boy, so what does anyone think the sealed settlement is going to be?
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Of course they killed 5 gators or whatever the numbers ... That's what humans do better than all other species on earth. And yes this is a nightmare for that family, of epic proportions obviously. But I've been to Florida I've seen gators on every visit. These parents should have known not to enter a lagoon at dusk in Florida...a tiny Google research would have helped. My parents (the least protective parents of all time) would take our family to north west Ontario camping and we weren't allowed to go the bathroom alone for fear of bears and both parents knew what to do if bears were around. Yes better signage would have helped, a little common sense helps as well.
Not everyone knows about the gator issue. Many people don't know a lot about a lot. I don't think it's fair to blame the parents. I don't think it was willful ignorance. Most people in the world actually DON'T know about alligators, what their usual habitat is, or what their feeding schedule is. That isn't common knowledge for most people who don't live anywhere near alligators, and Disneyworld hardly seems like a place where people would be assuming that there is extreme danger when it comes to wildlife. That kind of caution is generally reserved for the jungle and shit like that for average, urbanized Americans. It's not like there are travel warnings highlighted when people book tix to Florida. Yes, if there is a pond loaded with alligators at a resort, there should be "danger: alligators" signs all over the place, with pictures of alligators attacking people, not just "no swimming" signs.
thing is ... you will find gators all over the south ... in lots of bodies of water and there typically aren't signs ...
did the gator drown the boy and then leave it? anyone know?
But we're talking about a Disney resort. That's totally different.
A Disney resort in the south where there is water. I don't really understand the excuses made for people's lack of general knowledge, which this is.
I've been to Nebraska as a tourist. Before I went there, I knew there would be corn. I learned it in elementary school geography, the same time I learned there's alligators in Florida.
I just don't think your assessment or your comparison seems fair. There are also a lot of bears in Canada, but I don't think everyone coming to Canada expects to be attacked by one when they are walking down the street in a resort.
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I've been to Nebraska as a tourist. Before I went there, I knew there would be corn. I learned it in elementary school geography, the same time I learned there's alligators in Florida.
All the rides... all the treats... all the joy... all the excitement in the kids. The kid looking to dip his toes in the lagoon is not exactly snorkelling. I can picture it; parents, tear in eye, beaming with joy and pride, watching the most important item in their life laughing and splashing... then in the jaws of an alligator.
F**k me.
They will replay that visual until their last breath.
What a fucking nightmare.
There is no other story to this or debate - Their fucking kid died in a most surreal way.
Can you imagine what the child felt for those last seconds.
http://www.koco.com/national/disney-alligator-attack-investigators-search-for-answers/40084482
I'm just stunned, though, by all these people who act surprised that there's alligators at Disney. I was talking to one of my best friends who is from Orlando. She said if there's going to be a new sign, it ought to read "Beware of Wildlife." She said you can't begin to list all the things people need to think about in the Florida waters. Most people just know . . .
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Foreseeability is the determining factor for negligence. I'm pretty sure an incident was foreseeable by Disney officials (if they are half as wise as our Florida natives in this thread). As such, signage and perhaps fencing might have been appropriate. It's not as if the family ran out to the pool and the gator was lurking there.
Without knowing the layout, I'm thinking they are liable.
I visited Disneyworld years ago with just my daughter who was 6 at the time. We did not stay on the property we stayed a few miles away (she was a competitive swimmer then) that had a pool and she swam everyday before we visited Disney. Not once while we were at Disney, at the water parks did I ever think of gators. However, years later now living here that story has completely changed even if I ever go fishing in a canal or lake.
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now this last picture i really don't want to post.... yep not gonna. it's nothing gross at all. it shows two young boys playing in ankle & knee high water at some lake in florida. the picture is titled, "do not let children play near alligator areas in florida." so basically all of florida, any natural or man made bodies of water?
i bet the flowing has happened: a man lie under his car changing the oil in his own driveway when a gator strolled on up. he has a canal for a backyard
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If that big bugger turned and began chasing that lady... I'm thinking she wouldn't be as confident as she appears in that picture strolling alongside the big fella. As pleasant as she appears, she doesn't exactly exude athleticism.
I'd be giving a wider berth myself.
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http://nypost.com/2016/06/17/disney-ignored-gator-problem-to-keep-high-end-guests-happy-report/
Disney World was warned about the alligator problem in its Seven Seas Lagoon but looked the other way because high-paying guests enjoyed feeding the creatures, a report has claimed.
Management had been warned by park staff that guests at the $2,000-a-night waterfront Bora Bora Bungalows were feeding the alligators, but ignored requests to build protective fences, a park insider said, according to TheWrap.
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Then again, we don't know what's out of frame of the picture, lol.
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Fuck Disney.
Double fuck anyone blaming the parents for this. What happened in your life that you can't muster a modicum of empathy for a couple who are going through the most unimaginable tragedy? I can't imagine being that empty inside, nor would I want to.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/disney-warned-alligators-one-went-062835940.html
Officials at Walt World were well aware of the potential dangers posed by alligators that lived at the resort long before one killed a toddler earlier this week, according to new reports.
In a conversation with CBS News, a San Diego attorney named David Hiden said he notified a manager at the Coronado Springs Resort — part of the the Orlando Disney World complex — in April 2015 after an alligator “rapidly” came after his son, who was wading in the hotel’s lagoon.
“And the response, I couldn’t believe it,” he said in the interview. According to Hiden, the manager replied, “Those are resident pets, and we’ve known about them for years. And they’re harmless, they’re not going to attack anybody.”
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http://nypost.com/2016/06/16/disney-world-is-crawling-with-alliggators-see-for-yourself/
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Those that can be trusted can change their mind.
I guess it's easier to blame the parents.
I do agree that this is a freak fluke devistating accident.
Oh yeah and that weird natural selection comment - wth?
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