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g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,199
edited June 2016 in A Moving Train
I wasn't sure where I could post this but this just is not good news from Orlando...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/15/alligator-snatches-two-year-old-at-disney-world-resort/

The family must be devastated.

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  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,739
    This breaks my heart.
  • DegeneratefkDegeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    Unreal. I can't imagine.
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  • AnnafalkAnnafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    This is so horrible, it's hard to find words.

    I didn't know there was alligators that close to hotels.
  • even flow - question markeven flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    Take this comment for what it is! What is with parents now a days? The zoo in Cinci and now this. The sign that said "no swimming" and you let a two year old just wade on in. WTF!

    On a side note. I hear ISIS is taking credit for it.

    Sad for the kid they get saddled with parents like that.

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,003
    Annafalk said:

    This is so horrible, it's hard to find words.

    I didn't know there was alligators that close to hotels.

    I used to vacation there when my children were younger I never saw alligators in those waters by the resorts but then last yr my wife and daughter were there and they saw an alligator in the waters at their resort ...
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,199
    This hit me so hard I couldn't even spell devastated correctly in my opening post.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,623
    oh my god this is terrible. but come on, "no swimming" signs right in front of you! geez.
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  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,739
    you could definitely go armchair QB into 'what were you thinking'.... But I'm sure that this has ruined the lives of these parents. Hopefully the pioneer justice/judging of the internet age shows some compassion
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,199
    mcgruff10 said:

    oh my god this is terrible. but come on, "no swimming" signs right in front of you! geez.

    Even though the boy was in a foot of water this happened after 9:00pm when it was apparently dark at that time.

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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    probably should have been "alligators present" sign ...
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,199
    edited June 2016
    polaris_x said:

    probably should have been "alligators present" sign ...

    I'm pretty sure one will be put up now.

    I lived in a equestrian community where we had a lake directly behind the house. Alligators were in there from 3-9ft, they would come out to warm themselves on the banks. At times they would come up to the driveway and our dog Snoopy (Dachshund) would bark incessantly at them. I feared they could pull him but a wildlife refuge hunter over time removed all of them. They were beautiful to look at from a distance but scary when they were on the banks near the house.

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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,610
    So friggin' sad.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Reptiles

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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,610
    polaris_x said:

    probably should have been "alligators present" sign ...

    I assume there's an alligator in almost every standing body of water in Florida (feel free to correct if I'm mistaken). I'm really surprised Disney isn't a little more proactive with signs around their resorts.

    Not trying to assign blame here, just surprised based on what I know having traveled there a handful of times.
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,845
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Reptiles

    Not my favourite animals.

    The reptiles are just doing their thing. Always an uneasy situation when major predators coexist with humans.

    I agree that the signage could have been much more clear. I would personally have had no idea that there would be alligators in a lake at the resort that could pose a risk to those near the shore or at the water's edge. A two year old obviously isn't going to be going in very far; the family likely had no idea that it wasn't safe to just wade in, as opposed to swimming.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,199
    Merkin Baller said:

    polaris_x said:

    probably should have been "alligators present" sign ...

    I assume there's an alligator in almost every standing body of water in Florida (feel free to correct if I'm mistaken). I'm really surprised Disney isn't a little more proactive with signs around their resorts.

    Not trying to assign blame here, just surprised based on what I know having traveled there a handful of times.
    There's some truth to that and there's water everywhere even in our canals.

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,379
    yeah, a sign just reading "no swimming" isn't exactly very detailed. you wouldn't assume alligators would be that close to a disney resort without some kind of warning. a 2 year old ankle deep isn't very far in. I wouldn't be so quick to judge the parents on this one. what a fucking nightmare.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    yeah, a sign just reading "no swimming" isn't exactly very detailed. you wouldn't assume alligators would be that close to a disney resort without some kind of warning. a 2 year old ankle deep isn't very far in. I wouldn't be so quick to judge the parents on this one. what a fucking nightmare.

    As erroneous as it was... I don't feel this is on the same level as the mom who let her child slip from sight at the zoo.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,610
    oftenreading said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Reptiles

    Not my favourite animals.

    The reptiles are just doing their thing. Always an uneasy situation when major predators coexist with humans.

    I agree that the signage could have been much more clear. I would personally have had no idea that there would be alligators in a lake at the resort that could pose a risk to those near the shore or at the water's edge. A two year old obviously isn't going to be going in very far; the family likely had no idea that it wasn't safe to just wade in, as opposed to swimming.
    If this family from Nebraska doesn't frequent Florida, I would expect they would be in the same boat.

    I'm no regular down there, but I've seen alligators come up on the shore to lie in the sun; I've seen them floating in small ponds that rest inside of the bodies of water inside of highway off ramps...... those f'ers are everywhere and can grow pretty big.

    Which again, is why I'm surprised Disney doesn't have more clear signage. I'm not trying to assign blame, I'm just surprised.

    It is what it is, I feel so God damn bad for the family. That child's parents will take this to the grave.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,379
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    yeah, a sign just reading "no swimming" isn't exactly very detailed. you wouldn't assume alligators would be that close to a disney resort without some kind of warning. a 2 year old ankle deep isn't very far in. I wouldn't be so quick to judge the parents on this one. what a fucking nightmare.

    As erroneous as it was... I don't feel this is on the same level as the mom who let her child slip from sight at the zoo.
    hard to say, really. I wasn't there for either incident, and without sufficient video, so I shall reserve judgement.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,610
    edited June 2016
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    yeah, a sign just reading "no swimming" isn't exactly very detailed. you wouldn't assume alligators would be that close to a disney resort without some kind of warning. a 2 year old ankle deep isn't very far in. I wouldn't be so quick to judge the parents on this one. what a fucking nightmare.

    As erroneous as it was... I don't feel this is on the same level as the mom who let her child slip from sight at the zoo.
    Honestly, in that situation I blame the zoo. Yes, the mother let the kid out of her sight, but that stuff can happen pretty quickly....... If a 3 year old can quickly and easily wander / fall into a gorilla exhibit, it's not a very secure enclosure. Add in the fact that zoos should expect large groups of kids wandering around, and I think you really have to look at the design of the enclosure as the #1 problem there.

    Just my $0.02.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,199
    They've now closed all resort beaches at Disney.....

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/us/alligator-attacks-child-disney-florida/index.html?adkey=bn

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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Brutal for the family.

    When good times go bad.

    Must be surreal.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,692
    so awful....I can't even imagine
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  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,739
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    yeah, a sign just reading "no swimming" isn't exactly very detailed. you wouldn't assume alligators would be that close to a disney resort without some kind of warning. a 2 year old ankle deep isn't very far in. I wouldn't be so quick to judge the parents on this one. what a fucking nightmare.

    yeah, I agree. Especially with the inviting beach sloping gently into the water.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,154
    You would imagine that Disney was aware of alligators on it's property. You would think the amount of security at a place like that would prevent it, but it is Florida.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,610
    Jason P said:

    You would imagine that Disney was aware of alligators on it's property. You would think the amount of security at a place like that would prevent it, but it is Florida.

    Especially in a society as litigious as ours.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Merkin Baller said:

    polaris_x said:

    probably should have been "alligators present" sign ...

    I assume there's an alligator in almost every standing body of water in Florida (feel free to correct if I'm mistaken). I'm really surprised Disney isn't a little more proactive with signs around their resorts.

    Not trying to assign blame here, just surprised based on what I know having traveled there a handful of times.
    they are definitely all over the state ... still, it's a resort for tourists ... not all tourists are gonna suspect anything especially from a "no swimming" sign ... which could be up for a multitude of reasons ...
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,199
    Sadly the body of the 2 year old boy has been found.....

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/report-gator-dragged-child-into-water-near-disney-/nrgS3/

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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,154
    So they trapped at least 5 gators before finding the boy ... I think that stands to reason Disney should have been aware of the potential danger. I'm surprised their risk management team let this fester.
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