a man made pond or a natural pond means what exactly? gators don't care as long as it's water. i myself do believe there are gators everywhere down in florida. how does disney or any other resort keep gators out? it is nearly impossible i would imagine.
And you would be correct. Trust me, after living in FL for 46 years, anywhere there is a body of water near by, there could be a gator.
Exactly. Because what alligator knows the difference between a man made lagoon or a natural one?
a man made pond or a natural pond means what exactly? gators don't care as long as it's water. i myself do believe there are gators everywhere down in florida. how does disney or any other resort keep gators out? it is nearly impossible i would imagine.
And you would be correct. Trust me, after living in FL for 46 years, anywhere there is a body of water near by, there could be a gator.
Exactly. Because what alligator knows the difference between a man made lagoon or a natural one?
That isn't the point. The point is that Disney should have known if there were gators in the ponds they built and made easily accessible to guests, and acted accordingly. That is a fair expectation.
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Signage. Fences. As Cincy said... awareness cards in the room. These are all items that would suggest Disney did its part to make guests aware of the risks.
It's the same thing as a spill in a public place. Someone is required to clean it up and the area is typically marked off with a cone to indicate a spill. Yes... I can see there has been a spill, but that is irrelevant... it is incumbent upon the site to minimize risks.
Argue all you want, but if you operate a place of business and have people enter your place of business... you have a responsibility. This is the law.
I typically argue for personal responsibility, however in this instance... I see gross negligence. If the above items were evident and Disney had not ignored requests to remove gators... I would suggest the parents were neglectful (as I did with the mother and her child in the gorilla compound).
I don't see gross negligence at all. I see small oversight and some things Disney can do better. But again, signs won't do anything longterm. How many of you slow down when driving after seeing a deer crossing sign? You do for a few month after you hit deer, but not after that. Disney needs to discuss with its lawyers and the local law about this. And it's either a simple information card in the rooms or they will have to fence around the water. And really no one wants or thinks a fence is needed do they?
Signage. Fences. As Cincy said... awareness cards in the room. These are all items that would suggest Disney did its part to make guests aware of the risks.
It's the same thing as a spill in a public place. Someone is required to clean it up and the area is typically marked off with a cone to indicate a spill. Yes... I can see there has been a spill, but that is irrelevant... it is incumbent upon the site to minimize risks.
Argue all you want, but if you operate a place of business and have people enter your place of business... you have a responsibility. This is the law.
I typically argue for personal responsibility, however in this instance... I see gross negligence. If the above items were evident and Disney had not ignored requests to remove gators... I would suggest the parents were neglectful (as I did with the mother and her child in the gorilla compound).
I don't see gross negligence at all. I see small oversight and some things Disney can do better. But again, signs won't do anything longterm. How many of you slow down when driving after seeing a deer crossing sign? You do for a few month after you hit deer, but not after that. Disney needs to discuss with its lawyers and the local law about this. And it's either a simple information card in the rooms or they will have to fence around the water. And really no one wants or thinks a fence is needed do they?
I see negligence on Disney's part....they in the past removed gators from that lagoon. They also knew at near resort high end visitors were known to be feeding gators. Yet they never posted any alligator warning to the visitors and I believe on the night of the tragedy they were showing a movie on the beach area. The family having their child near the waters edge at night surely wasn't a bright idea. All these contributed to this nightmarish accident. It sad all around but Disney will have to open its pocket books or face a backlash of epic proportions.
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Officials at Walt World were well aware of the potential dangers posed by alligators that lived at the resort long before one killed a toddler earlier this week, according to new reports.
In a conversation with CBS News, a San Diego attorney named David Hiden said he notified a manager at the Coronado Springs Resort — part of the the Orlando Disney World complex — in April 2015 after an alligator “rapidly” came after his son, who was wading in the hotel’s lagoon.
“And the response, I couldn’t believe it,” he said in the interview. According to Hiden, the manager replied, “Those are resident pets, and we’ve known about them for years. And they’re harmless, they’re not going to attack anybody.”
If this is true, how can anyone think Disney isn't negligent here?
I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Quit putting words in my mouth. I have not said once that the parents should have expected this. In fact, I've said multiple times that I feel compassion for their loss.
My comments about people's stupidity are directed toward all the posters in this thread who claim they wouldn't expect there to be alligators in Florida. That lack of common knowledge stuns me. Like you said, there are bears in Canada. People just know that shit. It would be a horrible freak accident to be attacked by one at a resort. But I wouldn't be a dumb ass and say, "I never knew there are bears in Canada" and then sue the resort if my kid got eaten by one.
everyone knows there are alligators in florida. I have not seen one poster say anything about not knowing about gators in florida. people are referring to them being within city limits. I wouldn't expect to get eaten or attacked by a bear or a moose on a closed in resort in Canada, nor would I expect there to be alligators lurking in the waters near a hotel in Disney. it's a man made lagoon. since this incident, I have seen pictures of alligators on golf courses, in the street, in swimming pools, etc, and that stunned the fuck out of me. I'd never let my kid out of my sight if I lived there. But not living there, you wouldn't know this shit. and you simply can't expect someone to go online and search "dangers of florida" before their trip. it's not Myanmar. it's fucking florida. and like pjsoul said, you would have a pretty decent expectation that a place like disney, which caters to children/families, wouldn't have modern day dinosaurs on their property.
I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
dip his toes in at the edge of the water outside their hotel. this was not a natural body of water in the wild. that's not stupidity. no one could, or should, expect a gator to be in that situation.
I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
dip his toes in at the edge of the water outside their hotel. this was not a natural body of water in the wild. that's not stupidity. no one could, or should, expect a gator to be in that situation.
They will from now on.You'd think anyways.
In hindsight... the parents should have been more cautious, but caught up in the moment after a day of rides and fireworks and in the plush confines of Disney... that would have been tough to anticipate.
Not only would they need to know the scope of the gator problem, but they would needed to know a little of the animal's behaviour as well. I'm sure they were not completely oblivious to alligators, however as mentioned many times... this situation was atypical.
I will always maintain know your surroundings, be cautious ... More about common sense. Like I said earlier I've been camping in northwest Ontario and you have to be cautious for bears and they go where they feel ...
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I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
dip his toes in at the edge of the water outside their hotel. this was not a natural body of water in the wild. that's not stupidity. no one could, or should, expect a gator to be in that situation.
I have pictures of my kids, ages 5 and 7 at the time, lounging in a hammock about 3 ft from the edge of a man-mad lagoon in an Orlando resort. The hammock was installed by the resort. No warning signs re gators, nor swimming, anywhere. It was my third trip to Florida. I had heard all of the stories about gators. Seen pics of enclosed pools in private back yards. Knew about the fucking mascots and sports teams. I'm sure we even spoke about it with the kids - more from a tourist-y, local interest pov than a warning to avoid any water in which a gator could hide. Just did not even cross my mind that my kids could have been eaten while chilling near the lagoon, and that hammock being located where it was probably lulled me into a false sense of security. But was it really false? with the odds of a gator attack happening being so minuscule, I don't think it was a parenting lapse on my part. Nor was it really a serious liability oversight by the resort. That said, Disney is one of the biggest corps in the world. It happened on their property. a civil settlement is still the right thing for them to do here. A parent living through the death of a child should not have to worry about mortgage payments for a while. Disney can make that happen for what amounts to a drop in the bucket for them. But as the article I posted earlier pointed out: we really need to stop playing the public blame game when accidents like this happen. It's a sick form of self aggrandizement enabled by the anonymity of the Internet.
I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Disney was screening a movie on the banks of the lagoon. They invited the families & kids down there at dusk, the family didn't take it upon themselves to go hang out by the lagoon.
Also, regarding the mentality that everyone knows about alligators in Florida...... Do you think your average family visiting from say, the United Kingdom knows how prevalent alligators are down there? I know because I've traveled there several times, but people going there for the first time very well may not. Add in the fact you're at f'ing Disney World, a resort that caters to children, and it's reasonable to think they've done everything in their power to keep your children safe from dangerous predators lurking on the grounds.
We can agree to disagree here, but if we are going to assign blame, I think it falls 100% on the Disney corporation. (Most especially in light of the reports that people have complained about the alligators before; if those reports are accurate, I am stunned by the nonchalant reaction from the park staff - Disney will have to pay a HUGE settlement to this family, and rightfully so)
I will always maintain know your surroundings, be cautious ... More about common sense. Like I said earlier I've been camping in northwest Ontario and you have to be cautious for bears and they go where they feel ...
When you click on that link, scroll down there's an image. Can you spot where that gator is hiding? I can see it, that's how well they can hide in the reeds here in Florida.
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^^^actually I do expect people's coming to Florida to be aware of gators, who goes on vacation and doesn't research the area their going to, especially if it's your first visit ... I also expect people's visiting some areas of Canada to be aware of the possible dangers ... I'm planning a trip to the Canadian Rockies ... Never been before, but have done enough research to hopefully be prepared for the unexpected.
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^^^actually I do expect people's coming to Florida to be aware of gators, who goes on vacation and doesn't research the area their going to, especially if it's your first visit ... I also expect people's visiting some areas of Canada to be aware of the possible dangers ... I'm planning a trip to the Canadian Rockies ... Never been before, but have done enough research to hopefully be prepared for the unexpected.
I think there's a huge difference between a trip to to the Canadian Rockies and a theme park/ resort that caters to young children.
^^^actually I do expect people's coming to Florida to be aware of gators, who goes on vacation and doesn't research the area their going to, especially if it's your first visit ... I also expect people's visiting some areas of Canada to be aware of the possible dangers ... I'm planning a trip to the Canadian Rockies ... Never been before, but have done enough research to hopefully be prepared for the unexpected.
I think there's a huge difference between a trip to to the Canadian Rockies and a theme park/ resort that caters to young children.
I would agree with. Like I posted earlier when I didn't live here in Florida and visited Disney from MD. This was 16 years ago I didn't do any research other the hotels and which theme park my daughter and I were going to visit and how to get there. Looking up the animals of the then area didn't cross my mind. Now that I live here and lived in a community with wild gators and ALL kinds of wildlife directly behind the house changed all that unawareness instantly.
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^^^actually I do expect people's coming to Florida to be aware of gators, who goes on vacation and doesn't research the area their going to, especially if it's your first visit ... I also expect people's visiting some areas of Canada to be aware of the possible dangers ... I'm planning a trip to the Canadian Rockies ... Never been before, but have done enough research to hopefully be prepared for the unexpected.
I think there's a huge difference between a trip to to the Canadian Rockies and a theme park/ resort that caters to young children.
You still have to be aware of your surroundings, Disney is built on swamp.
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I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Actually you can. You can put up warning signs.
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I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Actually you can. You can put up warning signs.
Yep, I agree, and that's why they'll be paying a lot to settle the lawsuit. It did say no swimming though, so the family shouldn't have been in the water, whether it's toes, head, whatever. No means no, it usually doesn't need any explanation as to why. But I feel for the folks, I get it, that's just terrible.
Just saying that the dad made a mistake, and whether or not there was adequate signage is a separate legal issue. Movie night or not, amusement park or not, don't even put your fucking kid in a swimming pool in Florida without checking it out first.
I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Actually you can. You can put up warning signs.
Yep, I agree, and that's why they'll be paying a lot to settle the lawsuit. It did say no swimming though, so the family shouldn't have been in the water, whether it's toes, head, whatever. No means no, it usually doesn't need any explanation as to why. But I feel for the folks, I get it, that's just terrible.
Just saying that the dad made a mistake, and whether or not there was adequate signage is a separate legal issue. Movie night or not, amusement park or not, don't even put your fucking kid in a swimming pool in Florida without checking it out first.
Swimming is not defined as walking in water. There were no obstacles to keep people from the water. Now there are....if I'm an injury attorney I'm going to look for before and after pictures of the site and the case is closed.
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don't even put your fucking kid in a swimming pool in Florida without checking it out first.
I wouldn't just say Florida. They are found in North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.
I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Actually you can. You can put up warning signs.
Yep, I agree, and that's why they'll be paying a lot to settle the lawsuit. It did say no swimming though, so the family shouldn't have been in the water, whether it's toes, head, whatever. No means no, it usually doesn't need any explanation as to why. But I feel for the folks, I get it, that's just terrible.
Just saying that the dad made a mistake, and whether or not there was adequate signage is a separate legal issue. Movie night or not, amusement park or not, don't even put your fucking kid in a swimming pool in Florida without checking it out first.
Swimming is not defined as walking in water. There were no obstacles to keep people from the water. Now there are....if I'm an injury attorney I'm going to look for before and after pictures of the site and the case is closed.
that's the thing. "no swimming" does not equte to "danger". there are so swimming signs in ponds, in wishing wells that are 1 foot deep (that people put their feet in all the time without losing their lives), in outdoor fountains that are there for decoration and not homelsss baths, and may I remind everyone, 9pm in the summer is not late. the sun is still up, at least in Winnipeg. we're in the longest days of the year right now. I would assume Florida would have adequate natural light as well.
Never, ever heard of anyone in Winnipeg getting attacked by a bear coming out of one of the fountains at the parliament building.
I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Actually you can. You can put up warning signs.
Yep, I agree, and that's why they'll be paying a lot to settle the lawsuit. It did say no swimming though, so the family shouldn't have been in the water, whether it's toes, head, whatever. No means no, it usually doesn't need any explanation as to why. But I feel for the folks, I get it, that's just terrible.
Just saying that the dad made a mistake, and whether or not there was adequate signage is a separate legal issue. Movie night or not, amusement park or not, don't even put your fucking kid in a swimming pool in Florida without checking it out first.
Swimming is not defined as walking in water. There were no obstacles to keep people from the water. Now there are....if I'm an injury attorney I'm going to look for before and after pictures of the site and the case is closed.
that's the thing. "no swimming" does not equte to "danger". there are so swimming signs in ponds, in wishing wells that are 1 foot deep (that people put their feet in all the time without losing their lives), in outdoor fountains that are there for decoration and not homelsss baths, and may I remind everyone, 9pm in the summer is not late. the sun is still up, at least in Winnipeg. we're in the longest days of the year right now. I would assume Florida would have adequate natural light as well.
Never, ever heard of anyone in Winnipeg getting attacked by a bear coming out of one of the fountains at the parliament building.
that's the thing. "no swimming" does not equte to "danger". there are so swimming signs in ponds, in wishing wells that are 1 foot deep (that people put their feet in all the time without losing their lives), in outdoor fountains that are there for decoration and not homelsss baths, and may I remind everyone, 9pm in the summer is not late. the sun is still up, at least in Winnipeg. we're in the longest days of the year right now. I would assume Florida would have adequate natural light as well.
Never, ever heard of anyone in Winnipeg getting attacked by a bear coming out of one of the fountains at the parliament building.
I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Actually you can. You can put up warning signs.
Yep, I agree, and that's why they'll be paying a lot to settle the lawsuit. It did say no swimming though, so the family shouldn't have been in the water, whether it's toes, head, whatever. No means no, it usually doesn't need any explanation as to why. But I feel for the folks, I get it, that's just terrible.
Just saying that the dad made a mistake, and whether or not there was adequate signage is a separate legal issue. Movie night or not, amusement park or not, don't even put your fucking kid in a swimming pool in Florida without checking it out first.
Swimming is not defined as walking in water. There were no obstacles to keep people from the water. Now there are....if I'm an injury attorney I'm going to look for before and after pictures of the site and the case is closed.
that's the thing. "no swimming" does not equte to "danger". there are so swimming signs in ponds, in wishing wells that are 1 foot deep (that people put their feet in all the time without losing their lives), in outdoor fountains that are there for decoration and not homelsss baths, and may I remind everyone, 9pm in the summer is not late. the sun is still up, at least in Winnipeg. we're in the longest days of the year right now. I would assume Florida would have adequate natural light as well.
Never, ever heard of anyone in Winnipeg getting attacked by a bear coming out of one of the fountains at the parliament building.
it is not light out at 9 pm in florida.
either way. I have taken my kids down to the beach at dusk and after the sun has gone down and they sometimes put their feet in the water. and that's not a resort. that's a natural lake.
I see both sides. i fall on the Disney side though, myself. The Florida mascot is a freaking gator. Everyone knows those things are everywhere in Florida. There's pool toys and stuffed animal gators at the damn airport. Anyone who has ever been to Florida knows that ANY body of water is a possibly dangerous situation. Every hotel is filled with pamphlets for airboat tours and alligator farms and other gator shtuff. Disney should definitely have put better signage near the water, and therefore will have to settle the lawsuit and pay up. Total freak accident as this doesn't happen often or ever for that matter but sheesh man, the parents taking their kid to the edge of water at 9pm to dip his toes in?! Jesus. You just can't plan for stupidity of that level.
Actually you can. You can put up warning signs.
Yep, I agree, and that's why they'll be paying a lot to settle the lawsuit. It did say no swimming though, so the family shouldn't have been in the water, whether it's toes, head, whatever. No means no, it usually doesn't need any explanation as to why. But I feel for the folks, I get it, that's just terrible.
Just saying that the dad made a mistake, and whether or not there was adequate signage is a separate legal issue. Movie night or not, amusement park or not, don't even put your fucking kid in a swimming pool in Florida without checking it out first.
Swimming is not defined as walking in water. There were no obstacles to keep people from the water. Now there are....if I'm an injury attorney I'm going to look for before and after pictures of the site and the case is closed.
that's the thing. "no swimming" does not equte to "danger". there are so swimming signs in ponds, in wishing wells that are 1 foot deep (that people put their feet in all the time without losing their lives), in outdoor fountains that are there for decoration and not homelsss baths, and may I remind everyone, 9pm in the summer is not late. the sun is still up, at least in Winnipeg. we're in the longest days of the year right now. I would assume Florida would have adequate natural light as well.
Never, ever heard of anyone in Winnipeg getting attacked by a bear coming out of one of the fountains at the parliament building.
it is not light out at 9 pm in florida.
either way. I have taken my kids down to the beach at dusk and after the sun has gone down and they sometimes put their feet in the water. and that's not a resort. that's a natural lake.
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In hindsight... the parents should have been more cautious, but caught up in the moment after a day of rides and fireworks and in the plush confines of Disney... that would have been tough to anticipate.
Not only would they need to know the scope of the gator problem, but they would needed to know a little of the animal's behaviour as well. I'm sure they were not completely oblivious to alligators, however as mentioned many times... this situation was atypical.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/us/airboat-captain-disney-gators/
I will always maintain know your surroundings, be cautious ... More about common sense. Like I said earlier I've been camping in northwest Ontario and you have to be cautious for bears and they go where they feel ...
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
It was my third trip to Florida. I had heard all of the stories about gators. Seen pics of enclosed pools in private back yards. Knew about the fucking mascots and sports teams. I'm sure we even spoke about it with the kids - more from a tourist-y, local interest pov than a warning to avoid any water in which a gator could hide. Just did not even cross my mind that my kids could have been eaten while chilling near the lagoon, and that hammock being located where it was probably lulled me into a false sense of security. But was it really false? with the odds of a gator attack happening being so minuscule, I don't think it was a parenting lapse on my part. Nor was it really a serious liability oversight by the resort.
That said, Disney is one of the biggest corps in the world. It happened on their property. a civil settlement is still the right thing for them to do here. A parent living through the death of a child should not have to worry about mortgage payments for a while. Disney can make that happen for what amounts to a drop in the bucket for them. But as the article I posted earlier pointed out: we really need to stop playing the public blame game when accidents like this happen. It's a sick form of self aggrandizement enabled by the anonymity of the Internet.
Also, regarding the mentality that everyone knows about alligators in Florida...... Do you think your average family visiting from say, the United Kingdom knows how prevalent alligators are down there? I know because I've traveled there several times, but people going there for the first time very well may not. Add in the fact you're at f'ing Disney World, a resort that caters to children, and it's reasonable to think they've done everything in their power to keep your children safe from dangerous predators lurking on the grounds.
We can agree to disagree here, but if we are going to assign blame, I think it falls 100% on the Disney corporation. (Most especially in light of the reports that people have complained about the alligators before; if those reports are accurate, I am stunned by the nonchalant reaction from the park staff - Disney will have to pay a HUGE settlement to this family, and rightfully so)
Peace
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"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Just saying that the dad made a mistake, and whether or not there was adequate signage is a separate legal issue. Movie night or not, amusement park or not, don't even put your fucking kid in a swimming pool in Florida without checking it out first.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Never, ever heard of anyone in Winnipeg getting attacked by a bear coming out of one of the fountains at the parliament building.
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The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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