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1- I would say every entrepreneur that wants to expand.mrussel1 said:
Comment 1: Can you tell me the name of the American company that is forced to do business in China?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Some American companies are forced.mrussel1 said:
Okay, to start, he says we have gained no access to Chinese market in the lead paragraph And then several paragraphs later, he decries that American companies are forced to release proprietary information when they enter the market. So which is it? And if the GE, Boeing and others felt that it was NPV negative to enter the Chinese market, then they would not enter. And incidentally, theses are the same conditions that are imposed on Intel and their tech releases to Advanced Micro Devices.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
This only about the 4th time I've posted this. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reformmrussel1 said:
Trump wants to start a trade war with China with tariffs. But paradoxically, also wants to kill the TPP which China doesn't want either. He talks out of both sides of his mouth which means he is lying or has no real knowledge of global economics. This is a primary reason I dislike him so much. He doesn't have a coherent strategy.
Read it and say why it is incoherent
Second, of course they manipulate currency. Everyone knows. But the TPP will force China to revalue their currency if they want to join which they've hinted they want to do.
Third, how do you think Apple or Google or MS feels about losing access to China when Trump starts a trade war? And do you think those jobs would come back to the US? Negative. They would go to India, Malaysia, Ireland, Philippines.
TPP will force China just like Trump will if POTUS.
Losing access via trade war? Well of course they won't be happy but that is a theoretical situation. Not going to happen.
Comment 2: TPP will force China just like Trump? I don't understand.
Comment 3: Well it depends on what the war is about and how long and deep it goes. But if China responds with a massive tariff, then yes... Apple could lose rational access. It's not a closed border, but the tariff is so high that you stop exporting. That's how trade wars work.
2 - TPP would rather do it than have Trump do it, power on their side
3 - I know how trade wars work but this issue was coming and has to be dealt with to avoid one.
Apple as an example can only sit and watch to see what comes.0 -
Just not as succinct, his reading level is at grade 5 I believe a lot of people say right?Jason P said:
To be fair, all Trump had to do was Google "Trump Buffoon" and he could have compiled the same list himself.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Know your enemy.Jason P said:Trump now knows and can prepare for every single strategy the DNC was going to use ...
Smart
So this is like coles notes for him.0 -
Then change the strategy by then he'll be totally confused by then.Jason P said:Trump now knows and can prepare for every single strategy the DNC was going to use ...
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I did what you asked, I read the link. Well, one of Trump's positions - "pay for the wall." I thought it sounded like bullshit. So I looked online and - voila - there were plenty of other people who also thought it was bullshit. Like the Wall St. Journal (hardly a hotbed of liberals).PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Again right from the source, read https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wallEnkidu said:
I clicked on the site. The first thing I saw is about Mexico paying for the wall. Which has always seemed like laughable bullshit. So I found this. http://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-crumbling-wall-plan-1460320010PJfanwillneverleave1 said:For the rest of the Trump haters from now on please kindly back up your hate with facts that dispute his positions on this page https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions
Anything less would be uncivilized.
And this. http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/videos/a43191/john-oliver-donald-trump-wall/
And this. http://www.businessinsider.com/can-donald-trumps-build-wall-mexico-2016-3
I could go on. Because if you Google "Does Trump's plan to build the wall make any sense," you get pages and pages of, "No, it doesn't."
For a moment read his plan and then come back and say why it won't work.
This is what I am debating not "it's laughable bullshit" but I won't say why.
You asked for facts, I gave them.0 -
You gave facts from other people.Enkidu said:
I did what you asked, I read the link. Well, one of Trump's positions - "pay for the wall." I thought it sounded like bullshit. So I looked online and - voila - there were plenty of other people who also thought it was bullshit. Like the Wall St. Journal (hardly a hotbed of liberals).PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Again right from the source, read https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wallEnkidu said:
I clicked on the site. The first thing I saw is about Mexico paying for the wall. Which has always seemed like laughable bullshit. So I found this. http://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-crumbling-wall-plan-1460320010PJfanwillneverleave1 said:For the rest of the Trump haters from now on please kindly back up your hate with facts that dispute his positions on this page https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions
Anything less would be uncivilized.
And this. http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/videos/a43191/john-oliver-donald-trump-wall/
And this. http://www.businessinsider.com/can-donald-trumps-build-wall-mexico-2016-3
I could go on. Because if you Google "Does Trump's plan to build the wall make any sense," you get pages and pages of, "No, it doesn't."
For a moment read his plan and then come back and say why it won't work.
This is what I am debating not "it's laughable bullshit" but I won't say why.
You asked for facts, I gave them.
Now give your opinion why it is bullshit and won't work.
I couldn't open the Wall St.Journal one unless I subscribe.Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on0 -
no, I read a good portion of it, and I stand by my comment. this one made me laugh out loud:PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
You are doing it too, you are not reading the details - read https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions on a position click Read More and it tells you howHughFreakingDillon said:
no they aren't. while he has ideas regarding improvement he has zero saying HOW he will do these. Everything is "with me as president, this will change". Really? with money and infrastructure falling out of the sky?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
You don't need to back up your claim? Decided via news and reading that it is not your candidate?deadendp said:PJFan, I do not like Trump. I do not hate him. I don't hate anyone. I do very much hate actions of people. I seriously fear for our country if he is at the helm. You don't live here, right? If you do, vote as you want but know this loud and clear, my vote will not be for Trump-- even if a gun was placed to my head. I don't need to back up my claim of worry. It's how I feel and I don't need to defend it. I have a 12 1/2 year old who has decided through news and reading that he is not her candidate, either. I will take advantage of my right to vote and exercise it as my heart directs me to.
What about his positions and how he will put them to action have you read any, at all?
Pick one and say why it will fail https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions
No one ever talks about his plans or policies. They are clearly laid out on his site.
Tell me why his plans won't work.
The Trump Tax Plan Achieves These Goals
If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,” those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I need facts from YOU please show me where he has said " oops i made a mistake i was wrong on the Orlando shooter he is an American "PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Just not as succinct, his reading level is at grade 5 I believe a lot of people say right?Jason P said:
To be fair, all Trump had to do was Google "Trump Buffoon" and he could have compiled the same list himself.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Know your enemy.Jason P said:Trump now knows and can prepare for every single strategy the DNC was going to use ...
Smart
So this is like coles notes for him.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Okay, so you and I have different definitions of 'forced'. If a business wants the China market, yeah you're right, they are forced to do business in China. Sounds kind of odd doesn't it? It's essentially what you said.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
1- I would say every entrepreneur that wants to expand.mrussel1 said:
Comment 1: Can you tell me the name of the American company that is forced to do business in China?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Some American companies are forced.mrussel1 said:
Okay, to start, he says we have gained no access to Chinese market in the lead paragraph And then several paragraphs later, he decries that American companies are forced to release proprietary information when they enter the market. So which is it? And if the GE, Boeing and others felt that it was NPV negative to enter the Chinese market, then they would not enter. And incidentally, theses are the same conditions that are imposed on Intel and their tech releases to Advanced Micro Devices.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
This only about the 4th time I've posted this. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reformmrussel1 said:
Trump wants to start a trade war with China with tariffs. But paradoxically, also wants to kill the TPP which China doesn't want either. He talks out of both sides of his mouth which means he is lying or has no real knowledge of global economics. This is a primary reason I dislike him so much. He doesn't have a coherent strategy.
Read it and say why it is incoherent
Second, of course they manipulate currency. Everyone knows. But the TPP will force China to revalue their currency if they want to join which they've hinted they want to do.
Third, how do you think Apple or Google or MS feels about losing access to China when Trump starts a trade war? And do you think those jobs would come back to the US? Negative. They would go to India, Malaysia, Ireland, Philippines.
TPP will force China just like Trump will if POTUS.
Losing access via trade war? Well of course they won't be happy but that is a theoretical situation. Not going to happen.
Comment 2: TPP will force China just like Trump? I don't understand.
Comment 3: Well it depends on what the war is about and how long and deep it goes. But if China responds with a massive tariff, then yes... Apple could lose rational access. It's not a closed border, but the tariff is so high that you stop exporting. That's how trade wars work.
2 - TPP would rather do it than have Trump do it, power on their side
3 - I know how trade wars work but this issue was coming and has to be dealt with to avoid one.
Apple as an example can only sit and watch to see what comes.
My point is that Trump is against the TPP. But the TPP will accomplish, without a trade war, precisely what the realistic goals of Trumps's plans are. I mean re-valuing currency and balancing the trade deficit with China. It won't bring jobs back, but neither will Trump's plans. The jobs for the US are white collar jobs in the new economy. They aren't blue collar factory.
Factory jobs in the US in the future will be operating the machines that are making products more efficiently than the people in China. These US workers will be trained as engineers, technicians, six sigma process leaders and other higher educated job. It won't be Laverne and Shirley bottling beer.0 -
He hasn't said that.josevolution said:
I need facts from YOU please show me where he has said " oops i made a mistake i was wrong on the Orlando shooter he is an American "PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Just not as succinct, his reading level is at grade 5 I believe a lot of people say right?Jason P said:
To be fair, all Trump had to do was Google "Trump Buffoon" and he could have compiled the same list himself.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Know your enemy.Jason P said:Trump now knows and can prepare for every single strategy the DNC was going to use ...
Smart
So this is like coles notes for him.0 -
No one said his plans aren't unconventional.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, I read a good portion of it, and I stand by my comment. this one made me laugh out loud:PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
You are doing it too, you are not reading the details - read https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions on a position click Read More and it tells you howHughFreakingDillon said:
no they aren't. while he has ideas regarding improvement he has zero saying HOW he will do these. Everything is "with me as president, this will change". Really? with money and infrastructure falling out of the sky?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
You don't need to back up your claim? Decided via news and reading that it is not your candidate?deadendp said:PJFan, I do not like Trump. I do not hate him. I don't hate anyone. I do very much hate actions of people. I seriously fear for our country if he is at the helm. You don't live here, right? If you do, vote as you want but know this loud and clear, my vote will not be for Trump-- even if a gun was placed to my head. I don't need to back up my claim of worry. It's how I feel and I don't need to defend it. I have a 12 1/2 year old who has decided through news and reading that he is not her candidate, either. I will take advantage of my right to vote and exercise it as my heart directs me to.
What about his positions and how he will put them to action have you read any, at all?
Pick one and say why it will fail https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions
No one ever talks about his plans or policies. They are clearly laid out on his site.
Tell me why his plans won't work.
The Trump Tax Plan Achieves These Goals
If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,” those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.
That letter would be nice for people living on the poverty line though.
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If any business wants to compete at the world level needs china, for the most part.mrussel1 said:
Okay, so you and I have different definitions of 'forced'. If a business wants the China market, yeah you're right, they are forced to do business in China. Sounds kind of odd doesn't it? It's essentially what you said.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
1- I would say every entrepreneur that wants to expand.mrussel1 said:
Comment 1: Can you tell me the name of the American company that is forced to do business in China?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Some American companies are forced.mrussel1 said:
Okay, to start, he says we have gained no access to Chinese market in the lead paragraph And then several paragraphs later, he decries that American companies are forced to release proprietary information when they enter the market. So which is it? And if the GE, Boeing and others felt that it was NPV negative to enter the Chinese market, then they would not enter. And incidentally, theses are the same conditions that are imposed on Intel and their tech releases to Advanced Micro Devices.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
This only about the 4th time I've posted this. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reformmrussel1 said:
Trump wants to start a trade war with China with tariffs. But paradoxically, also wants to kill the TPP which China doesn't want either. He talks out of both sides of his mouth which means he is lying or has no real knowledge of global economics. This is a primary reason I dislike him so much. He doesn't have a coherent strategy.
Read it and say why it is incoherent
Second, of course they manipulate currency. Everyone knows. But the TPP will force China to revalue their currency if they want to join which they've hinted they want to do.
Third, how do you think Apple or Google or MS feels about losing access to China when Trump starts a trade war? And do you think those jobs would come back to the US? Negative. They would go to India, Malaysia, Ireland, Philippines.
TPP will force China just like Trump will if POTUS.
Losing access via trade war? Well of course they won't be happy but that is a theoretical situation. Not going to happen.
Comment 2: TPP will force China just like Trump? I don't understand.
Comment 3: Well it depends on what the war is about and how long and deep it goes. But if China responds with a massive tariff, then yes... Apple could lose rational access. It's not a closed border, but the tariff is so high that you stop exporting. That's how trade wars work.
2 - TPP would rather do it than have Trump do it, power on their side
3 - I know how trade wars work but this issue was coming and has to be dealt with to avoid one.
Apple as an example can only sit and watch to see what comes.
My point is that Trump is against the TPP. But the TPP will accomplish, without a trade war, precisely what the realistic goals of Trumps's plans are. I mean re-valuing currency and balancing the trade deficit with China. It won't bring jobs back, but neither will Trump's plans. The jobs for the US are white collar jobs in the new economy. They aren't blue collar factory.
Factory jobs in the US in the future will be operating the machines that are making products more efficiently than the people in China. These US workers will be trained as engineers, technicians, six sigma process leaders and other higher educated job. It won't be Laverne and Shirley bottling beer.
Again Trump against TPP, a power struggle.
China will have that same equipment available to use at a lesser cost. It doesn't take Laverne or Shirley to know what would be the better business plan.0 -
You are guilty because you cannot tell the difference between bigotry and the confronting of a hateful ideology that is unfortunately ascedent. Too many of you have complete blinders on to the fact that this ideology is growing and not shrinking. I wish it weren't so but that is the truth. I could also make the same claim as you did that "you don't even know me". I would guess that I interact with more muslims on a day to day basis then most people on here and only treat them with the greatest of respects. But as lovely as these daily interactions are it doesn't prevent me from recognizing the sad reality that we are all faced with.PJ_Soul said:
I'm not making it about me (I was using myself as an example). YOu were referring to many people there, that is what I'm responding to. My sentiment applies to all of these so-called blind Muslim-lovers who you're talking about.BS44325 said:
Why are you making this about you? I'm pretty sure this was written in response to someone else. However if you happen to believe that I am looking to "create inequalities for and fear of Muslims" then you are actually guilty of what you just accused me of.PJ_Soul said:
Yo have absolutely NO clue about where other people stand on the issue dude. You have a bunch of made up shit, preconceptions in your mind about the "self hating surrender socialist caucus" that are completely wrong. TOTALLY wrong. For example, I have personally been one of the more outspoken people on these boards when it comes to Islamic oppression of women and the oppression of gays in the world. In fact, I have attempted to have real discussions about this very thing in the context of it being an international human rights catastrophe. I sure never saw you jump in and support what I was saying. I have also spoken against Sharia law. I have also spoken for the rights and freedoms of peaceful Muslims, and for helping Syrian refugees. Guess what?? People can acknowledge terrible things that need attention (things that "your crew" yap about but don't actually seem to give two fucks about unless it culminates in creating inequalities for and fear of Muslims) without being huge bigots. I know, crazy, right?!?!BS44325 said:
You think you're moving it forward through your "tolerance" but your inability to confront the radicalism that is slowly penetrating and consuming mainstream Islam is actually moving your country and the world backwards. 11 Islamic countries have laws on the books that state homosexuality is punishable by death. These countries oppress gays. These countries oppress women. These countries oppress christians. These countries oppress jews. Children are raised in these countries to believe these things and for many years they have come to our shores. Some are coming here due to their own persecution but when they come they do not leave their beliefs behind. Those beliefs come here and grow within their communities. Omar Mateen's father holds these views. The Iranian Imam who was welcomed into the Orlando community holds these views. These views are slowly but surely becoming mainstream and our westernized world has become so self hating to the point that we no longer confront these evil views here or overseas as we do not want to offend. We bend over backwards to be tolerant of the intolerant and refuse to impose our views of acceptance onto an islamic culture that is regressing. We will all regress with them.gimmesometruth27 said:
apparently those of us who oppose fighting a war and are all about moving this country forward in effort to improve it are self hating.PJ_Soul said:
Self hating? Wtf?BS44325 said:
Haven't joined a troll party... just can't let the self hating surrender socialist caucus from being the only voice out there. The PJ fan base I know is made of stiffer stuff then what often appears on the AMT.rgambs said:
There aren't any real followers that post here regularly, pjfan is just a troll who enjoys seeing people squirm, godfather is just a hater of liberals who accepts trump for the same reason, and BS doesn't like trump either, but he joins the troll party in order to deny any claims of racism and further his ridiculous neocon opinions.josevolution said:
I know his fallowers are totally blinded by their idiocy of believing this nut case ...rgambs said:
You know it won't happen, the only response will be some canned troll comment thst barely makes sense and is of no relevance.josevolution said:So now Trump is theorizing on Obama being in cahoots with terrorists and still keeps saying the gunman in Orlando was born in Afghanistan when in fact he was born right here in Queens NY , this guy is a habitual compulsive liar , please prove me wrong you Trumpsters your candidate is a total bafoon !!!
I have NEVER seen you post anything that suggests that you're not bigoted towards Muslims, so I don't think I am guilty of that at all.0 -
EXACTLY , HE KEEPS SAYING THE SHOOTER WAS BORN IN AFGANISTAN WHEN IN FACT HE IS AN AMERICAN , WHEN WILL HE ADMITT HIS LIES ?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
He hasn't said that.josevolution said:
I need facts from YOU please show me where he has said " oops i made a mistake i was wrong on the Orlando shooter he is an American "PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Just not as succinct, his reading level is at grade 5 I believe a lot of people say right?Jason P said:
To be fair, all Trump had to do was Google "Trump Buffoon" and he could have compiled the same list himself.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Know your enemy.Jason P said:Trump now knows and can prepare for every single strategy the DNC was going to use ...
Smart
So this is like coles notes for him.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
He was saying he was born into the Islamic ideology.josevolution said:
EXACTLY , HE KEEPS SAYING THE SHOOTER WAS BORN IN AFGANISTAN WHEN IN FACT HE IS AN AMERICAN , WHEN WILL HE ADMITT HIS LIES ?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
He hasn't said that.josevolution said:
I need facts from YOU please show me where he has said " oops i made a mistake i was wrong on the Orlando shooter he is an American "PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Just not as succinct, his reading level is at grade 5 I believe a lot of people say right?Jason P said:
To be fair, all Trump had to do was Google "Trump Buffoon" and he could have compiled the same list himself.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Know your enemy.Jason P said:Trump now knows and can prepare for every single strategy the DNC was going to use ...
Smart
So this is like coles notes for him.0 -
No No No he stated this guy was born in afgan he didn't even know how to say afganistan you are just as bad as him you believe his total bullshit , so no your wrong he believes this shooter was born over there let nme repeat this again in caps , THE SHOOTER IS FROM QUEENS NY !!!PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
He was saying he was born into the Islamic idealogy.josevolution said:
EXACTLY , HE KEEPS SAYING THE SHOOTER WAS BORN IN AFGANISTAN WHEN IN FACT HE IS AN AMERICAN , WHEN WILL HE ADMITT HIS LIES ?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
He hasn't said that.josevolution said:
I need facts from YOU please show me where he has said " oops i made a mistake i was wrong on the Orlando shooter he is an American "PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Just not as succinct, his reading level is at grade 5 I believe a lot of people say right?Jason P said:
To be fair, all Trump had to do was Google "Trump Buffoon" and he could have compiled the same list himself.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Know your enemy.Jason P said:Trump now knows and can prepare for every single strategy the DNC was going to use ...
Smart
So this is like coles notes for him.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
So was he a New Yorker with radical Islamic ideology then?josevolution said:
No No No he stated this guy was born in afgan he didn't even know how to say afganistan you are just as bad as him you believe his total bullshit , so no your wrong he believes this shooter was born over there let nme repeat this again in caps , THE SHOOTER IS FROM QUEENS NY !!!PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
He was saying he was born into the Islamic idealogy.josevolution said:
EXACTLY , HE KEEPS SAYING THE SHOOTER WAS BORN IN AFGANISTAN WHEN IN FACT HE IS AN AMERICAN , WHEN WILL HE ADMITT HIS LIES ?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
He hasn't said that.josevolution said:
I need facts from YOU please show me where he has said " oops i made a mistake i was wrong on the Orlando shooter he is an American "PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Just not as succinct, his reading level is at grade 5 I believe a lot of people say right?Jason P said:
To be fair, all Trump had to do was Google "Trump Buffoon" and he could have compiled the same list himself.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Know your enemy.Jason P said:Trump now knows and can prepare for every single strategy the DNC was going to use ...
Smart
So this is like coles notes for him.0 -
Well that's not forcing and the opposite of what you said.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
If any business wants to compete at the world level needs china, for the most part.mrussel1 said:
Okay, so you and I have different definitions of 'forced'. If a business wants the China market, yeah you're right, they are forced to do business in China. Sounds kind of odd doesn't it? It's essentially what you said.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
1- I would say every entrepreneur that wants to expand.mrussel1 said:
Comment 1: Can you tell me the name of the American company that is forced to do business in China?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Some American companies are forced.mrussel1 said:
Okay, to start, he says we have gained no access to Chinese market in the lead paragraph And then several paragraphs later, he decries that American companies are forced to release proprietary information when they enter the market. So which is it? And if the GE, Boeing and others felt that it was NPV negative to enter the Chinese market, then they would not enter. And incidentally, theses are the same conditions that are imposed on Intel and their tech releases to Advanced Micro Devices.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
This only about the 4th time I've posted this. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reformmrussel1 said:
Trump wants to start a trade war with China with tariffs. But paradoxically, also wants to kill the TPP which China doesn't want either. He talks out of both sides of his mouth which means he is lying or has no real knowledge of global economics. This is a primary reason I dislike him so much. He doesn't have a coherent strategy.
Read it and say why it is incoherent
Second, of course they manipulate currency. Everyone knows. But the TPP will force China to revalue their currency if they want to join which they've hinted they want to do.
Third, how do you think Apple or Google or MS feels about losing access to China when Trump starts a trade war? And do you think those jobs would come back to the US? Negative. They would go to India, Malaysia, Ireland, Philippines.
TPP will force China just like Trump will if POTUS.
Losing access via trade war? Well of course they won't be happy but that is a theoretical situation. Not going to happen.
Comment 2: TPP will force China just like Trump? I don't understand.
Comment 3: Well it depends on what the war is about and how long and deep it goes. But if China responds with a massive tariff, then yes... Apple could lose rational access. It's not a closed border, but the tariff is so high that you stop exporting. That's how trade wars work.
2 - TPP would rather do it than have Trump do it, power on their side
3 - I know how trade wars work but this issue was coming and has to be dealt with to avoid one.
Apple as an example can only sit and watch to see what comes.
My point is that Trump is against the TPP. But the TPP will accomplish, without a trade war, precisely what the realistic goals of Trumps's plans are. I mean re-valuing currency and balancing the trade deficit with China. It won't bring jobs back, but neither will Trump's plans. The jobs for the US are white collar jobs in the new economy. They aren't blue collar factory.
Factory jobs in the US in the future will be operating the machines that are making products more efficiently than the people in China. These US workers will be trained as engineers, technicians, six sigma process leaders and other higher educated job. It won't be Laverne and Shirley bottling beer.
Again Trump against TPP, a power struggle.
China will have that same equipment available to use at a lesser cost. It doesn't take Laverne or Shirley to know what would be the better business plan.
They may have the machines but it's about the engineers. That's the point. And an international v company will have factories around the world to reduce export costs. Point is, the world's is changing. Sounds like you actually think his plan to bring old school manufacturing jobs is folly as well.0 -
He's already down about 12 or 13 points in the polls. By November, he is going to lose by 20.The Juggler said:Only way I could have seen Trump winning was if there was some sort of a terrorist attack and people felt to side with him because he's perceived as the "stronger" candidate.
But......... yeah, he completely fucked that up too.
Gonna be an absolute bloodbath in November.will myself to find a home, a home within myself
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You're using pollsDegeneratefk said:
He's already down about 12 or 13 points in the polls. By November, he is going to lose by 20.The Juggler said:Only way I could have seen Trump winning was if there was some sort of a terrorist attack and people felt to side with him because he's perceived as the "stronger" candidate.
But......... yeah, he completely fucked that up too.
Gonna be an absolute bloodbath in November.
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