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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    I thought the Nixon, JFK and Eisenhower are hailed as great presidents?

    Really? Ike was okay. Jfk was okay but he perpetuated Vietnam. His cabinet was the origin of neo liberals. RFK was very good on civil rights. Nixon was awful on everything but China.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    Is it possible Trump emulates Nixon a little with his stance on China?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Is it possible Trump emulates Nixon a little with his stance on China?

    Uh, no. He opened up diplomacy that led to trade to China. Trump is the opposite.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    mrussel1 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Is it possible Trump emulates Nixon a little with his stance on China?

    Uh, no. He opened up diplomacy that led to trade to China. Trump is the opposite.
    Bringing them to the table is what I was getting at.
    Nixon did this yes but america has slowly drifted away.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Is it possible Trump emulates Nixon a little with his stance on China?

    Uh, no. He opened up diplomacy that led to trade to China. Trump is the opposite.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    mrussel1 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Is it possible Trump emulates Nixon a little with his stance on China?

    Uh, no. He opened up diplomacy that led to trade to China. Trump is the opposite.
    Trump realizes how important China is if you just get back to fair trade dealings with them.
  • CH156378
    CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    Happy Birthday, Donald!!!!
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    CH156378 said:

    Happy Birthday, Donald!!!!

    :clap:
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited June 2016


    Trump wants to start a trade war with China with tariffs. But paradoxically, also wants to kill the TPP which China doesn't want either. He talks out of both sides of his mouth which means he is lying or has no real knowledge of global economics. This is a primary reason I dislike him so much. He doesn't have a coherent strategy.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    mrussel1 said:



    Trump wants to start a trade war with China with tariffs. But paradoxically, also wants to kill the TPP which China doesn't want either. He talks out of both sides of his mouth which means he is lying or has no real knowledge of global economics. This is a primary reason I dislike him so much. He doesn't have a coherent strategy.

    This only about the 4th time I've posted this. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reform
    Read it and say why it is incoherent
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    For the rest of the Trump haters from now on please kindly back up your hate with facts that dispute his positions on this page https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

    Anything less would be uncivilized.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited June 2016
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    mrussel1 said:



    Trump wants to start a trade war with China with tariffs. But paradoxically, also wants to kill the TPP which China doesn't want either. He talks out of both sides of his mouth which means he is lying or has no real knowledge of global economics. This is a primary reason I dislike him so much. He doesn't have a coherent strategy.

    This only about the 4th time I've posted this. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reform
    Read it and say why it is incoherent
    Okay, to start, he says we have gained no access to Chinese market in the lead paragraph And then several paragraphs later, he decries that American companies are forced to release proprietary information when they enter the market. So which is it? And if the GE, Boeing and others felt that it was NPV negative to enter the Chinese market, then they would not enter. And incidentally, theses are the same conditions that are imposed on Intel and their tech releases to Advanced Micro Devices.

    Second, of course they manipulate currency. Everyone knows. But the TPP will force China to revalue their currency if they want to join which they've hinted they want to do.

    Third, how do you think Apple or Google or MS feels about losing access to China when Trump starts a trade war? And do you think those jobs would come back to the US? Negative. They would go to India, Malaysia, Ireland, Philippines.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    The TPP puts real pressure on China for economic reform.
  • deadendp
    deadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    PJFan, I do not like Trump. I do not hate him. I don't hate anyone. I do very much hate actions of people. I seriously fear for our country if he is at the helm. You don't live here, right? If you do, vote as you want but know this loud and clear, my vote will not be for Trump-- even if a gun was placed to my head. I don't need to back up my claim of worry. It's how I feel and I don't need to defend it. I have a 12 1/2 year old who has decided through news and reading that he is not her candidate, either. I will take advantage of my right to vote and exercise it as my heart directs me to.
    2014: Cincinnati
    2016: Lexington and Wrigley 1
  • Enkidu
    Enkidu So Cal Posts: 2,996
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    For the rest of the Trump haters from now on please kindly back up your hate with facts that dispute his positions on this page https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

    Anything less would be uncivilized.

    I clicked on the site. The first thing I saw is about Mexico paying for the wall. Which has always seemed like laughable bullshit. So I found this. http://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-crumbling-wall-plan-1460320010

    And this. http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/videos/a43191/john-oliver-donald-trump-wall/

    And this. http://www.businessinsider.com/can-donald-trumps-build-wall-mexico-2016-3

    I could go on. Because if you Google "Does Trump's plan to build the wall make any sense," you get pages and pages of, "No, it doesn't."

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    deadendp said:

    PJFan, I do not like Trump. I do not hate him. I don't hate anyone. I do very much hate actions of people. I seriously fear for our country if he is at the helm. You don't live here, right? If you do, vote as you want but know this loud and clear, my vote will not be for Trump-- even if a gun was placed to my head. I don't need to back up my claim of worry. It's how I feel and I don't need to defend it. I have a 12 1/2 year old who has decided through news and reading that he is not her candidate, either. I will take advantage of my right to vote and exercise it as my heart directs me to.

    And we need you Cleveland people to deliver Ohio. Can't trust Cincitucky.
  • deadendp
    deadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    Thank you, E.
    2014: Cincinnati
    2016: Lexington and Wrigley 1
  • deadendp
    deadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    mrussel1 said:

    deadendp said:

    PJFan, I do not like Trump. I do not hate him. I don't hate anyone. I do very much hate actions of people. I seriously fear for our country if he is at the helm. You don't live here, right? If you do, vote as you want but know this loud and clear, my vote will not be for Trump-- even if a gun was placed to my head. I don't need to back up my claim of worry. It's how I feel and I don't need to defend it. I have a 12 1/2 year old who has decided through news and reading that he is not her candidate, either. I will take advantage of my right to vote and exercise it as my heart directs me to.

    And we need you Cleveland people to deliver Ohio. Can't trust Cincitucky.
    We've actually passed on seeing Ministry in Cleveland because of the hot mess that will be the RNC. That hurt, but we have to consider our safety over that concert.

    I'm actually south of Cleveland, but far closer than you are. We all need to pull this around together!
    2014: Cincinnati
    2016: Lexington and Wrigley 1
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    deadendp said:

    mrussel1 said:

    deadendp said:

    PJFan, I do not like Trump. I do not hate him. I don't hate anyone. I do very much hate actions of people. I seriously fear for our country if he is at the helm. You don't live here, right? If you do, vote as you want but know this loud and clear, my vote will not be for Trump-- even if a gun was placed to my head. I don't need to back up my claim of worry. It's how I feel and I don't need to defend it. I have a 12 1/2 year old who has decided through news and reading that he is not her candidate, either. I will take advantage of my right to vote and exercise it as my heart directs me to.

    And we need you Cleveland people to deliver Ohio. Can't trust Cincitucky.
    We've actually passed on seeing Ministry in Cleveland because of the hot mess that will be the RNC. That hurt, but we have to consider our safety over that concert.

    I'm actually south of Cleveland, but far closer than you are. We all need to pull this around together!
    I was born and raised in Strongsville but live VA now. We need both states!
  • deadendp
    deadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    Indeed we do!
    2014: Cincinnati
    2016: Lexington and Wrigley 1
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