Canadian Politics Redux

PJ_Soul · June 2016

One issue that bothers ME I meant. The other stuff you are talking about doesn't piss me off at all (and there isn't anywhere near enough info to say that they are fucking up the pot thing - they are simply working on it still).

PJ_Soul · June 2016

lukin2006 said:
The only difference between him and his predecessor is he's more personable...or he wouldn't have supported c51...

I very much disagree. There are so many differences (and I think you actually must know that, objectively). Not a fan of the stance on C51 obviously (which actually isn't the same as Harper's either), but we knew where he stood on that before he was elected.

lukin2006 · June 2016

^^^yeah he's fucking the pot legalization up ... Should have been decriminalized immediately ... Now the police, municipalities and users are caught in a sort of grey area .... And people are still being charged ... Because you can't take being a dick outta cops.

PJ_Soul · June 2016

But doing that was never a campaign promise is all I'm saying. Never once did he say it would be decriminalized before it was legalized. I actually assumed that wouldn't be the case, since it was never said.

lukin2006 · June 2016

^^^why leave everybody in limbo? Decriminalize it then work toward legalization, why not give everyone direction ... That's what real leaders do ... Politicians are not leaders or doers ... The leach off society.

PJ_Soul · June 2016

Well, I agree it should have been - I just never expected it, since never once did they suggest that would be the case. Just that it is going to be legalized is a massive leap. And honestly I haven't thought about it much because it's already legal for me, being in Vancouver.

lukin2006 · June 2016

It's legal for anyone with a script ... A real leader would see the chaos and move to correct it quickly ...

lukin2006 · June 2016

And it should never be illegal ... It's not ... Alcohol and tobacco a pose far more health risk than pot and likely many more legal things are more harmful

PJfanwillneverleave1 · June 2016

I really don't see it becoming legal before his term is over.

lukin2006 · June 2016

^^^its defecto legal now. More and more docs are prescribing it ... No problem. I do believe it will be legal before the end of 2017, that I do believe. I just wish he'd at the very least decriminalize it so people's can not end up with criminal records.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · June 2016

^^^
He's become quieter on this issue as of late. I don't think he is as confident as you are getting it legalized by end 2017.

lukin2006 · June 2016

^^^he hasn't said much on the issue since before election ... I don't expect him to say much ... It's nobodies business anyways that's my point, same as assisted death it's nobodies business. I don't like the government period ... They have no right to infringe on people's rights and freedom because some people can't wrap their head around the notion that government is too intrusive in people's lives.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · June 2016

^^^
I seem to recall that Canadian liberals were very excited at the prospect of having legal weed if he got into power.
Lo and behold we have liberals in power.

PJ_Soul · June 2016

Absolutely, I think it will be legal well within Trudeau's first term. (PJFan, you said the same thing about Doctor assisted suicide. And that is now legal only perhaps 2 months after you said that, with or without legislation, which is coming up fast one way or another anyway ... oh thee of little faith!).
And people (not just Liberals, which I am not, btw) are still excited about it.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · June 2016

^^^
Agree about the DAS.
Don't agree about the pot, too many obstacles, too little time.

PJ_Soul · June 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
^^^
Agree about the DAS.
Don't agree about the pot, too many obstacles, too little time.

Not really. Again, that's what you said about DAS. There is a lot of precedent. They have some shit to get through with it, but it is very far away from too many obstacles for it to happen within 1.5 years. There is a lot of precedent to lean on. The focus has been on DAS because there was a deadline. Once all that is worked out they'll move on to really focusing on legalization (but FWIW, I regularly see updates about it in the news).

PJfanwillneverleave1 · June 2016

^^^
The precedent is thinned because of the turmoil of the US election.
They can't make a move until November.

PJ_Soul · June 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
^^^
The precedent is thinned because of the turmoil of the US election.
They can't make a move until November.

Interesting thought, but why do you say that? In terms of the media/public attention/total obsession? Or are you thinking it's because the government is holding out because their decisions will be dependent on the outcome? (If the latter, the thought makes me pause, but I'm not sure i'm convinced that either nominee would impact the legislation significantly, just because I don't really see much difference between the current situation in this context and what it would be like a year from now, no matter who wins the next US election...... although shit's so crazy down there, who knows.

polaris_x · June 2016

lukin2006 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
^^^
I agree %100.
But this is what liberals do. They piss you off but say that they didn't mean to.
Time and time again.
Never truer words said ... About 13 years of lies and bullshit from Ontario liberals and this dumb province keeps them in power

this is a function of alternatives more than anything ... the ndp have forever been handicapped by the Rae years, wrongfully I might add, as well as having a weak leader ... the PC's have been handicapped from the Harris years, rightfully I might add, as well as putting forth weak candidates as well ...

lukin2006 · June 2016

^^^

polaris_x said:

lukin2006 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
^^^
I agree %100.
But this is what liberals do. They piss you off but say that they didn't mean to.
Time and time again.
Never truer words said ... About 13 years of lies and bullshit from Ontario liberals and this dumb province keeps them in power
this is a function of alternatives more than anything ... the ndp have forever been handicapped by the Rae years, wrongfully I might add, as well as having a weak leader ... the PC's have been handicapped from the Harris years, rightfully I might add, as well as putting forth weak candidates as well ...

This is true ... But to quote Mulcair "Rae turned out to be a liberal" ... Or something like that. And John Tory might have been better than the alternative we've been stuck with ... Tory only really lost that election because he promised education funding for religious schools ... Which makes sense since we already fund the Catholic system ... But personally I am opposed to funding more than the public system ... Funding 4 school school boards is dumb ... But the bureaucrats love it.
But you probably have a better informed opinion of Tory since he's your mayor. How's he doing as mayor? Time will tell with the PCs ... Brown seems to be trying to drag them into 2016, or at least on the surface it appears that way and so far no slips of the tongue...time will tell, I don't trust any of them, they all have personal agendas.

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