Hillary won more votes for President

Free · June 2016

Jearlpam0925 said:
Hey, everybody, it's like it's the year 2000 again and no one's grown up.

I get a very bi-polar-y vibe from you. Like, ya might stare in the mirror and pretend you're heading a rebellion out of Braveheart or something. So goddamn dramatic, I can see it now.

Is it raining where you are? Cause it's t-storming here, and I wouldn't walk outside with something metallic on your head. BUT WAIT - that's probably EXACTLY what THEY want you to do.

If To grow up is to stop caring about my kids, family and friends' welfare because corporate interests are more important? Big banks and Wall Street or more important than my financial stability? The failure of the middle class whom I'm a part of to thrive due to our leaders decisions? To continue to spend half my life paying off student loan debt? Just let the fossil fuel industries Take care of our climate issues? Continue to stomp on and don't care about those in poverty? Those less fortunate? To pay out my ass medical insurance fees when I get sick or injured? To continue working a 55 hour/week job and enjoy it despite severe stress issues? To look down on other people rather than help them?

That's not pragmatism. That's corporatism, that's oligarchy, that's doing what Big Brother says is acceptable. That's establishment: only out for themselves not the people this country.

I'll never grow up.

Kat · June 2016

Please stick to the discussion and do not talk about each other here...this is for everyone and is a requirement. Thanks.

what dreams · June 2016

Free said:

what dreams said:

Free said:
One would be a fool to believe what the news is saying right now. The almighty race to be the first media station to report the false news!! And ahead of 5 state primaries!

Note to Americans:

superdelegates do not vote until july 25
superdelegates do not vote until july 25
superdelegates do not vote until july 25
superdelegates do not vote until july 25
superdelegates do not vote until july 25
Comments like these only reach about five Americans, and we already know when super delegates vote. Perhaps you need a different pulpit if you really are intent on educating the unenlightened masses. Do you ever attend meetings at your local Democratic party precinct? I'm sure they're looking for volunteers. You might make a bigger difference there. You seem to be looking to make a difference.
Attempting to deflect the issue here and getting personal when things don't work in your favor proves nothing and goes nowhere.

Actually, it was a genuine question and suggestion. If you really want the process to change, which I can tell you really do, get involved in the Democratic party as a precinct captain and work your way up. Run for a local office. The third parties especially are always recruiting candidates. They can't even find enough people to collect signatures, never mind fill ballots.

And actually, my dear Free, things *are* working in my favor. Hahaha.

Free · June 2016

what dreams said:

Free said:

what dreams said:

Free said:
One would be a fool to believe what the news is saying right now. The almighty race to be the first media station to report the false news!! And ahead of 5 state primaries!

Note to Americans:

superdelegates do not vote until july 25
superdelegates do not vote until july 25
superdelegates do not vote until july 25
superdelegates do not vote until july 25
superdelegates do not vote until july 25
Comments like these only reach about five Americans, and we already know when super delegates vote. Perhaps you need a different pulpit if you really are intent on educating the unenlightened masses. Do you ever attend meetings at your local Democratic party precinct? I'm sure they're looking for volunteers. You might make a bigger difference there. You seem to be looking to make a difference.
Attempting to deflect the issue here and getting personal when things don't work in your favor proves nothing and goes nowhere.
Actually, it was a genuine question and suggestion. If you really want the process to change, which I can tell you really do, get involved in the Democratic party as a precinct captain and work your way up. Run for a local office. The third parties especially are always recruiting candidates. They can't even find enough people to collect signatures, never mind fill ballots.

And actually, my dear Free, things *are* working in my favor. Hahaha.

Made me

Help the Dem party...

mrussel1 · June 2016

This is a fascinating article about what is happening on college campuses. Perhaps it explains some of the entitlement we see around here, there and everywhere

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/07/the-craziest-demands-of-college-kids-in-2016.html

Free · June 2016

mrussel1 said:
This is a fascinating article about what is happening on college campuses. Perhaps it explains some of the entitlement we see around here, there and everywhere

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/07/the-craziest-demands-of-college-kids-in-2016.html

Has nothing to do with topic.

mrussel1 · June 2016

Free said:

mrussel1 said:
This is a fascinating article about what is happening on college campuses. Perhaps it explains some of the entitlement we see around here, there and everywhere

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/07/the-craziest-demands-of-college-kids-in-2016.html
Has nothing to do with topic.

Uh huh. It explains some things.

Free · June 2016

Kat said:
Please stick to the discussion and do not talk about each other here...this is for everyone and is a requirement. Thanks.

mrussel1 · June 2016

Early voting exit polls has Clinton up by 10. That's not particularly surprising considering she attracts older, more affluent voters. Bernie would do better at the stations

http://capitolweekly.net/exit-poll-tight-race-absentee-voters-favor-hillary/

jeffbr · June 2016

mrussel1 said:
This is a fascinating article about what is happening on college campuses. Perhaps it explains some of the entitlement we see around here, there and everywhere

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/07/the-craziest-demands-of-college-kids-in-2016.html

Yup. A bunch of entitled, coddled, sensitive, whiny brats. Speech at universities has been hamstrung. Professors, guest lecturers and entertainers walk around in fear of offending or insulting these dolts. The word "microaggression" makes me want to throat punch someone.

Here we have students looking for separate but equal segregated "safe spaces": http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/02/this-claremont-safe-space-for-women-of-c

Here's more about those dipshit Yale students not happy that in an English class they have to hear about white males: http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/01/yale-students-tell-english-profs-to-stop

And what about these poor Johns Hopkins kids who get all depressed about their first semester grades. Don't buckle down and try harder, instead lobby the school to abolish grades for the first semester so nobody will get their little feelers hurt. http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/02/johns-hopkins-students-say-first-semeste

It's funny. My kids are this age, and I don't hear any of this bullshit from them.

mrussel1 · June 2016

I don't get it. It's really the complete opposite of progressive causes and working towards equality and neutrality. Tribalism is not the answer.

mrussel1 · June 2016

It was a really impressive victory for HRC in New Jersey this evening. A 28 point victory on an historic night. My 8 year old daughter was super excited to see a girl who could be president. Young children are so tuned into gender.

what dreams · June 2016

benjs said:

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mrussel1 said:

Free said:
One would be a fool to believe what the news is saying right now. The almighty race to be the first media station to report the false news!! And ahead of 5 state primaries!

Note to Americans:

superdelegates do not vote until july 25
superdelegates do not vote until july 25
superdelegates do not vote until july 25
superdelegates do not vote until july 25
superdelegates do not vote until july 25
Why do you want super delegates to overturn the will of the voters? That seems contrary to Bernie's core message. It's all very confusing.
Comments like these emphasize how little you know about who and how Superdelegates work. Or is it what you want to believe?
You are ignoring the point that Clinton has more votes from the people.
And you are ignoring the point that it is fraud and voter suppression to call the race the night before 5 states vote, as well as counting SDs before they vote.
I'm not ignoring that it is voter suppression at all.
Please point out where you talk about voter suppression, then.

This isn't about who will win the nom, this is about a fair and just election process. Which Americans are being robbed of.
I haven't felt the need to whine about it because it's nothing new and it's just reality.
And THAT sort of 'asleep at the wheel' attitude is why the media and the system get away with it, pushing it further and further away from a democratic process every election cycle. Give yourself a pat on the back. NOT.
Hahaha do you think pissing and moaning about how it is unfair is doing anything?
The media doesn't effect me, 3 gigs of data/month is the only connection I have to the world outside my farm. They aren't swaying me at all, and the sheep will continue to bah and bleat at their TV's even with your petulant child's attitude flooding the Pearl Jam forum. Come down off your high horse.
Good god, please. Check yourself!
Free, if you have a problem with the election process, use your democratic right to free speech and propose something better. Highlighting problems can only take you so far in a reasonable debate; at a certain point, empathy really does run dry when complaints are constant but solutions aren't even put on the table.
It's very interesting Benjs. Exactly how do you propose throwing actual solutions on the table when everyone here, including yourself, choose to attack the poster bringing up the electoral corruption problems rather than debate the topic itself? Does "shoot the messenger" have a nice ring to it?

Have you guys noticed Brian Lux gone, who left for this exact reason? Continually, you guys prefer to let loose on the messenger and NOT actually discuss the topic of election corruption. When we actually have a decent discussion without need to personally attack, that's when solutions can be proposed. But that ~~can't~~ Doesn't happen here.
Excuse me? You haven't proposed a single solution. Had you brought up an electoral corruption solution, I'd have happily engaged you in debate - surely sometimes agreeing with you, other times not, and sometimes playing devil's advocate. You are not engaging in reasonable debate when you refuse to read linked statements accurately, be criticized with valid arguments, or provide your own evidence when asked to. And by the way - I'm saying this as a Bernie Sanders supporter...

And for the record - I've long felt this way about the way debates are held on here: too much focusing on problems, not enough on discussing solutions. I don't think it's just you, and I'm sure I've been guilty of it too.
Stop the need to shoot the messenger and I would gladly discuss solutions. The ball is in your court.
How does one actively combat electoral corruption, and/or how does a vote for Sanders contribute towards that? Now the ball's back in your court.

Not once have I suppressed a discussion about electoral corruption - I just feel that the cycle for solving a problem involves identifying a problem, providing sufficient evidence, seeking alternatives, logically exploring said alternatives (or providing situational evidence if applicable). You've done the first part, to some degree you've done the second - but change doesn't come from exposing issues exclusively: at a certain point, solutions must be
Free said:

what dreams said:

Free said:

what dreams said:

Free said:
One would be a fool to believe what the news is saying right now. The almighty race to be the first media station to report the false news!! And ahead of 5 state primaries!

Note to Americans:

superdelegates do not vote until july 25
superdelegates do not vote until july 25
superdelegates do not vote until july 25
superdelegates do not vote until july 25
superdelegates do not vote until july 25
Comments like these only reach about five Americans, and we already know when super delegates vote. Perhaps you need a different pulpit if you really are intent on educating the unenlightened masses. Do you ever attend meetings at your local Democratic party precinct? I'm sure they're looking for volunteers. You might make a bigger difference there. You seem to be looking to make a difference.
Attempting to deflect the issue here and getting personal when things don't work in your favor proves nothing and goes nowhere.
Actually, it was a genuine question and suggestion. If you really want the process to change, which I can tell you really do, get involved in the Democratic party as a precinct captain and work your way up. Run for a local office. The third parties especially are always recruiting candidates. They can't even find enough people to collect signatures, never mind fill ballots.

And actually, my dear Free, things *are* working in my favor. Hahaha.
Made me
Help the Dem party...
Dude, let me remind you again that your candidate is running as a Democrat. Fuck you if you can't respect what that means if he actually won the nomination.

Whatever. I'm not responding to your bullshit anymore. I don't even care if I get slapped by Kat for saying this, but for the record, JearlPam isn't the only one who thought (on more than one occasion) "bi-polar" is the best way to characterize what the hell is wrong with you. And I say that as a diagnosed and successfully medicated bi-polar patient. You display classic signs of being in the midst of a full-blown manic episode, and I know better than to expect a rational discussion with crazy. Get some help.

Free · June 2016

So far, Hillary has won about 440,000 more recorded votes than Bernie in California. But several independent organizations estimate that up to 3 million ballots still need to be counted, primarily mail-in and provisional ballots (which overwhelmingly skew in favor of Bernie by an estimated 40% margin).

No, Hillary has not won California. We won't know the ultimate victor until as late as July 15th. In fact, given the above numbers, it is almost certain that Bernie actually won. Don't blindly buy into the misleading media narrative.

His California victory will mean nothing if Bernie is forced to suspend his campaign before the final results are released. So while the media spreads lies and the establishment pressures Bernie to exit the race, we must keep the revolution alive.

Gern Blansten · June 2016

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/282887-sanders-pledges-to-work-to-defeat-trump-after-meeting-obama

Sanders said he phoned Clinton, who clinched the nomination this week, after Tuesday's primaries to congratulate her on her "strong campaign" and said they would speak soon about "how we can work together to defeat Donald Trump and to create a government that represents all of us and not just the one percent.”
He said Trump “would be a disaster as president of the United States” and expressed confidence that voters would not support someone who insults women and minority groups.

Cliffy6745 · June 2016

Obama has endorsed Hillary

HughFreakingDillon · June 2016

Cliffy6745 said:
Obama has endorsed Hillary

well I guess that cinches Godfather's vote.

HughFreakingDillon · June 2016

i'm confused. has she or hasn't she won the nom? if she hasn't, is it usual for a sitting prez to endorse a candidate that hasn't won the nom?

mrussel1 · June 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:
i'm confused. has she or hasn't she won the nom? if she hasn't, is it usual for a sitting prez to endorse a candidate that hasn't won the nom?

I think you're being serious and not a smart ass, so I'll answer:

She is the presumptive nominee. She has a majority of pledged delegates and super delegates. So unless 80% of the super delegates flip to Sanders and go against their commitment, she will be the formal nominee come July. It is not uncommon for a President to do this prior to the party convention. In modern political times, it's been about 50 years since a convention wasn't a forgone conclusion.

HughFreakingDillon · June 2016

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
i'm confused. has she or hasn't she won the nom? if she hasn't, is it usual for a sitting prez to endorse a candidate that hasn't won the nom?
I think you're being serious and not a smart ass, so I'll answer:

She is the presumptive nominee. She has a majority of pledged delegates and super delegates. So unless 80% of the super delegates flip to Sanders and go against their commitment, she will be the formal nominee come July. It is not uncommon for a President to do this prior to the party convention. In modern political times, it's been about 50 years since a convention wasn't a forgone conclusion.

yes, I was being serious. Thanks!

Hillary won more votes for President

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