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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    I wonder if we will ever see the day of cigarettes being banned from the workplace during working hours.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I wonder if we will ever see the day of cigarettes being banned from the workplace during working hours.

    In many cases that is exactly what has happened.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    rgambs said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I wonder if we will ever see the day of cigarettes being banned from the workplace during working hours.

    In many cases that is exactly what has happened.
    Not really,
    An employee can still smoke at lunch, etc and come back.
    There is nothing firm that bans a smoker habit during his/her workday.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    rgambs said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I wonder if we will ever see the day of cigarettes being banned from the workplace during working hours.

    In many cases that is exactly what has happened.
    Not really,
    An employee can still smoke at lunch, etc and come back.
    There is nothing firm that bans a smoker habit during his/her workday.
    Many jobs have closed campuses to prevent such scenarios
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    edited April 2016
    lukin2006 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Yeah, it doesn't work to well for those that get addicted from starting underage.
    Typically if you don't pick up the smoking/drinking habit before you become of age you tend to stay away from it in life.
    Becoming addicted to pot at a young age (18) through legal means can't be a good thing.

    pots non addictive...

    tobacco is very addictive...and very legal
    Anything can be addictive.

    I have some friends that smoke pot everyday, and a few admit they are very much addicted to pot. They have at times stopped using pot, which was hard to do....and most end up smoking again.

    Pot like anything else can be unhealthy and used as a crutch to make it through the day.

    I wonder why it's okay for some to get high everyday (sometimes multiple times a day) but the same people would frown upon other people who get drunk everyday.

    But I'm not going to tell someone they can't do it. If you want to get high/drunk everyday, that's your choice.

    I think it should be completely legalized. What you do at home is your business. Weed may not be as bad as booze, but let's not pretend that weed is benign.
    Post edited by dignin on
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    dignin said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Yeah, it doesn't work to well for those that get addicted from starting underage.
    Typically if you don't pick up the smoking/drinking habit before you become of age you tend to stay away from it in life.
    Becoming addicted to pot at a young age (18) through legal means can't be a good thing.

    pots non addictive...

    tobacco is very addictive...and very legal
    Anything can be addictive.

    I have some friends that smoke pot everyday, and a few admit they are very much addicted to pot. They have at times stopped using pot, which was hard to do....and most end up smoking again.

    Pot like anything else can be unhealthy and used as a crutch to make it through the day.

    I wonder why it's okay for some to get high everyday (sometimes multiple times a day) but the same people would frown upon other people who get drunk everyday.

    But I'm not going to tell someone they can't do it. If you want to get high/drunk everyday, that's your choice.

    I think it should be completely legalized. What you do at home is your business. Weed may not be as bad as booze, but let's not pretend that weed is benign.
    Addicted to pot or addicted to how they feel after smoking it? I've never seen any evidence that suggest pots addictive ... it might be to some.

    More and more evidence is surfacing about pots healing benefits ... far more evidence that pot can be beneficial than is harmful.

    And should be completely legal to possess and grow for personal consumption ... none of anybodies business.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    lukin2006 said:

    dignin said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Yeah, it doesn't work to well for those that get addicted from starting underage.
    Typically if you don't pick up the smoking/drinking habit before you become of age you tend to stay away from it in life.
    Becoming addicted to pot at a young age (18) through legal means can't be a good thing.

    pots non addictive...

    tobacco is very addictive...and very legal
    Anything can be addictive.

    I have some friends that smoke pot everyday, and a few admit they are very much addicted to pot. They have at times stopped using pot, which was hard to do....and most end up smoking again.

    Pot like anything else can be unhealthy and used as a crutch to make it through the day.

    I wonder why it's okay for some to get high everyday (sometimes multiple times a day) but the same people would frown upon other people who get drunk everyday.

    But I'm not going to tell someone they can't do it. If you want to get high/drunk everyday, that's your choice.

    I think it should be completely legalized. What you do at home is your business. Weed may not be as bad as booze, but let's not pretend that weed is benign.
    Addicted to pot or addicted to how they feel after smoking it? I've never seen any evidence that suggest pots addictive ... it might be to some.

    More and more evidence is surfacing about pots healing benefits ... far more evidence that pot can be beneficial than is harmful.

    And should be completely legal to possess and grow for personal consumption ... none of anybodies business.
    To the first point https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_use_disorder

    And I agree on your last 2 points, the benefits far outweigh the negatives.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    ^^^^ From wiki "Although physical addiction has not been proven,[3] an estimated 9% of those who use cannabis develop dependence".

    And I believe I did say some might ... but I highly doubt there is enough evidence to pin point an exact number, Even if the 9% is accurate ... that would be low in my opinion, considering the people addicted to perfectly legal products like tobacco and alcohol are higher. Anyways all that doesn't matter, weed is harmless and more beneficial and should have never been illegal.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    lukin2006 said:

    ^^^^ From wiki "Although physical addiction has not been proven,[3] an estimated 9% of those who use cannabis develop dependence".

    And I believe I did say some might ... but I highly doubt there is enough evidence to pin point an exact number, Even if the 9% is accurate ... that would be low in my opinion, considering the people addicted to perfectly legal products like tobacco and alcohol are higher. Anyways all that doesn't matter, weed is harmless and more beneficial and should have never been illegal.

    Those substances have been proven to be physically addictive, THC has not. Dependence is different from addiction, some can become dependent on practically anything.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    lukin2006 said:

    ^^^^ From wiki "Although physical addiction has not been proven,[3] an estimated 9% of those who use cannabis develop dependence".

    And I believe I did say some might ... but I highly doubt there is enough evidence to pin point an exact number, Even if the 9% is accurate ... that would be low in my opinion, considering the people addicted to perfectly legal products like tobacco and alcohol are higher. Anyways all that doesn't matter, weed is harmless and more beneficial and should have never been illegal.

    We're on the same page in regards to this issue. I just wish to say that the people becoming dependent on pot would do so regardless of legality. It's not hard to get. Anyone who wishes to smoke pot simply does. There are no people crossing their fingers and hoping for legalization so that the can 'finally' smoke it.

    Legalization is a no-brainer if there ever was one.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    edited April 2016
    rgambs said:

    lukin2006 said:

    ^^^^ From wiki "Although physical addiction has not been proven,[3] an estimated 9% of those who use cannabis develop dependence".

    And I believe I did say some might ... but I highly doubt there is enough evidence to pin point an exact number, Even if the 9% is accurate ... that would be low in my opinion, considering the people addicted to perfectly legal products like tobacco and alcohol are higher. Anyways all that doesn't matter, weed is harmless and more beneficial and should have never been illegal.

    Those substances have been proven to be physically addictive, THC has not. Dependence is different from addiction, some can become dependent on practically anything.

    This was published in The New England Journal of Medicine, no slouch of a peer reviewed journal. It has an impact factor of 55. You need to have all your ducks in a row to be published here. They have found evidence of addiction.

    Adverse Health Effects of Marijuana Use
    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra1402309

    It's still early days and I'm sure many more papers will be written on the subject as weed becomes legal and more readily available and more studies done.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    I haven't read it, but any addiction to pot is not physical- it's psychological dependence.

    And humans have demonstrated that they become psychologically dependent on many things.

    The people psychologically dependent on pot are likely proportionate to most other things in life that people cling to.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    I haven't read it, but any addiction to pot is not physical- it's psychological dependence.

    And humans have demonstrated that they become psychologically dependent on many things.

    The people psychologically dependent on pot are likely proportionate to most other things in life that people cling to.

    The authors found both physical and physiological.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Does the Journal of New England Medicene accept advertising $$$? And if they do I assume many of these ads are pushed toward Drs? That's here nor there now ... Obviously some people can devoplope a dependency on anything whether it's tobacco, alcohol, processed sugar products, fast food etc..
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    lukin2006 said:

    ^^^^ From wiki "Although physical addiction has not been proven,[3] an estimated 9% of those who use cannabis develop dependence".

    And I believe I did say some might ... but I highly doubt there is enough evidence to pin point an exact number, Even if the 9% is accurate ... that would be low in my opinion, considering the people addicted to perfectly legal products like tobacco and alcohol are higher. Anyways all that doesn't matter, weed is harmless and more beneficial and should have never been illegal.

    We're on the same page in regards to this issue. I just wish to say that the people becoming dependent on pot would do so regardless of legality. It's not hard to get. Anyone who wishes to smoke pot simply does. There are no people crossing their fingers and hoping for legalization so that the can 'finally' smoke it.

    Legalization is a no-brainer if there ever was one.
    Exactly ... Totally agree ... Legalize, regulate, tax ...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    hedonist said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    For medicinal purposes I support the legalization.
    Without getting into a giant debate with studies,facts, stats etc I feel that if it is legalized for everyday use we will become an even lazier entitled society.
    Production and general motivation will decrease.
    The liberal plan is anything but - there is no iota of anything to come just a blanket statement that is confusing and without direction.
    Wait a year? For what?
    They need to tell us something more than this.

    Why not for recreational purposes too? People want to chill with wine or whatever, why not a nice bowl or three?

    I've been smoking daily for a damn long time and while our weekends may be fairly lazy as we choose, neither my husband nor I feel / act entitled, we kick ass at work, and live a comfortable life.

    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done!
    Yeah really. How come weed can't just be used like booze is. Don't you ever drink PJfan?? Wtf is the difference, besides weed being much safer in every possible way as well as cheaper?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    lukin2006 said:

    ^^^^ From wiki "Although physical addiction has not been proven,[3] an estimated 9% of those who use cannabis develop dependence".

    And I believe I did say some might ... but I highly doubt there is enough evidence to pin point an exact number, Even if the 9% is accurate ... that would be low in my opinion, considering the people addicted to perfectly legal products like tobacco and alcohol are higher. Anyways all that doesn't matter, weed is harmless and more beneficial and should have never been illegal.

    I won't argue the point that weed can be helpful, but it certainly isn't harmless across the board. It's the right thing for some people and not for others. The high quality studies that have been down on medicinal uses of cannabis have shown up to 40% drop out rates due to side effects, some what you might expect and some more serious.

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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    PJ_Soul said:

    hedonist said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    For medicinal purposes I support the legalization.
    Without getting into a giant debate with studies,facts, stats etc I feel that if it is legalized for everyday use we will become an even lazier entitled society.
    Production and general motivation will decrease.
    The liberal plan is anything but - there is no iota of anything to come just a blanket statement that is confusing and without direction.
    Wait a year? For what?
    They need to tell us something more than this.

    Why not for recreational purposes too? People want to chill with wine or whatever, why not a nice bowl or three?

    I've been smoking daily for a damn long time and while our weekends may be fairly lazy as we choose, neither my husband nor I feel / act entitled, we kick ass at work, and live a comfortable life.

    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done!
    Yeah really. How come weed can't just be used like booze is. Don't you ever drink PJfan?? Wtf is the difference, besides weed being much safer in every possible way as well as cheaper?
    I still think that even though it is claimed to be much safer in every possible way no one wants to have a business with stoned employees. It impairs like alcohol obviously but many people think it is like a cigarette, no harm done just a bad habit is all.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited April 2016
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    hedonist said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    For medicinal purposes I support the legalization.
    Without getting into a giant debate with studies,facts, stats etc I feel that if it is legalized for everyday use we will become an even lazier entitled society.
    Production and general motivation will decrease.
    The liberal plan is anything but - there is no iota of anything to come just a blanket statement that is confusing and without direction.
    Wait a year? For what?
    They need to tell us something more than this.

    Why not for recreational purposes too? People want to chill with wine or whatever, why not a nice bowl or three?

    I've been smoking daily for a damn long time and while our weekends may be fairly lazy as we choose, neither my husband nor I feel / act entitled, we kick ass at work, and live a comfortable life.

    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done!
    Yeah really. How come weed can't just be used like booze is. Don't you ever drink PJfan?? Wtf is the difference, besides weed being much safer in every possible way as well as cheaper?
    I still think that even though it is claimed to be much safer in every possible way no one wants to have a business with stoned employees. It impairs like alcohol obviously but many people think it is like a cigarette, no harm done just a bad habit is all.
    Well people don't generally go to work drunk. They're not going to go to work high either. Either one would be grounds for dismissal. So I'm not quite sure what your point is. And weed doesn't even make you hungover.
    BTW, you seem to have this funny idea that everyone who smokes weed recreationally is a "pothead". Does that mean you also think that everyone who drinks is an alcoholic or a drunk?
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    It just seems like there is enormous support to legalize it from the "potheads" and recreational users alike.
    There are a lot of people who view it like a cigarette and with attitudes like we will start to see an increase of it in the workplace or at least advocating for it because "hey, whats the big deal it's only a joint"
    I would tend to think people smoke until high and then stop- which leaves you impaired.
    Unlike with a cigarette you just need that nicotine until the next nic fit. - You're not impaired before, during or after smoking one could argue. Yet smoking is far more dangerous - obviously.
    So this law that is coming to legalize it will only increase use I feel.

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