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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Senates passes assisted dying bill with one major amendment...deleting the near death provision, balls in your court PM Moonbeam.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006 said:

    Senates passes assisted dying bill with one major amendment...deleting the near death provision, balls in your court PM Moonbeam.

    :rofl:
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    edited June 2016
    I don't think the "Moonbeam" label works at all for Trudeau. He's done nothing to warrant it, but more than that, the Mayor in Vancouver, Gregor Robertson, is already quite famously nicknamed Mayor Moonbeam, and it's much more apt when it comes to him (not to mention original).

    Great news about the Senate making that amendment, but, rather shockingly, the Libs seem pretty closed off to it from what I heard on the news. I just don't get it.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    PJ_Soul said:

    I don't think the "Moonbeam" label works at all for Trudeau. He's done nothing to warrant it, but more than that, the Mayor in Vancouver, Gregor Robertson, is already quite famously nicknamed Mayor Moonbeam, and it's much more apt when it comes to him (not to mention original).

    Great news about the Senate making that amendment, but, rather shockingly, the Libs seem pretty closed off to it from what I heard on the news. I just don't get it.

    I did not know that about the Vancouver mayor, I first heard the term when some radio personality referred to some politician "moonbeam". I can go with PM "sunny ways". I have no use for liberals or conservatives at the federal level (in Ontario none of the parties work for me) ... The only difference between him and Harper is personality. They both pretty much have similar policies just a different spin ... But most importantly their both fucking dictators ... electoral reform, hold a referendum ... Why should we trust 400 politicians to decide our fate? Voting down the ndp's motion to decriminalize marijuana.wtf...quit allowing the cops and court system to give people criminal records for one of the least harmful drugs available, not the liberals...somehow decriminalizing would allow the drug cartels to thrive, wtf, they thrive already. These politicians are control freak dictators...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Nice hair though...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    Jerry Brown, governor of California, was/is known as governor Moonbeam as far back as the late '70s. I think his then girlfriend, Linda Ronstadt called him Moonbeam in an interview, and it just stuck.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    lukin2006 said:

    Nice hair though...

    Weak dude. Lol, why do people like to quote the lamest, most ineffective Conservative campaign slogan of all time? Lol, gotta love it when people take a failed idea and run with it.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    ^^^sarcasm...plus I thought it was kind of funny...hahaha
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    edited June 2016
    lukin2006 said:

    ^^^sarcasm...plus I thought it was kind of funny...hahaha

    I know it's sarcasm... so was the original failed campaign slogan. Which is probably why it went over like a brick and made the Conservatives look bad.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    jeffbr said:

    Jerry Brown, governor of California, was/is known as governor Moonbeam as far back as the late '70s. I think his then girlfriend, Linda Ronstadt called him Moonbeam in an interview, and it just stuck.

    Yeah I'm sure it's been used with many sunny way politicians in the past, I don't remember who the radio host was referring to, it could also be used for our current premier of Ontario.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    ^^^sarcasm...plus I thought it was kind of funny...hahaha

    I know it's sarcasm... so was the original failed campaign slogan. Which is probably why it went over like a brick and made the Conservatives look bad.
    I didn't think the conservatives needed help looking bad, neither do the liberals.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    -1 for gov't for not accepting Senate's amendments on assisted-dying bill ...
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    polaris_x said:

    -1 for gov't for not accepting Senate's amendments on assisted-dying bill ...

    For sure. Vexing to say the least. Someone blamed this on some doctor lobby... If true, to what end? What doctor lobby would want to prevent suffering? I actually haven't heard a single word in the media on what exactly is behind this resistance by the Libs.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    -1 for gov't for not accepting Senate's amendments on assisted-dying bill ...

    For sure. Vexing to say the least. Someone blamed this on some doctor lobby... If true, to what end? What doctor lobby would want to prevent suffering? I actually haven't heard a single word in the media on what exactly is behind this resistance by the Libs.
    that was me and it was speculation only ... have no idea what is driving this ... also, not a fan of trudeau and his "bend to my will" ways ...
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    -1 for gov't for not accepting Senate's amendments on assisted-dying bill ...

    For sure. Vexing to say the least. Someone blamed this on some doctor lobby... If true, to what end? What doctor lobby would want to prevent suffering? I actually haven't heard a single word in the media on what exactly is behind this resistance by the Libs.
    that was me and it was speculation only ... have no idea what is driving this ... also, not a fan of trudeau and his "bend to my will" ways ...
    I'm just shocked that Trudeau actually has this option to be honest. The rest of his opinions on issues really don't line up with this one at all. I wish he would address it directly so that I at least understood where the fuck he's coming from (not that that would make this stand against THE LAW as determined by the Supreme Court any more acceptable, but it's nice to understand how a leader thinks at least).
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    I thought that was the senates job ... Make amendments to proposed legislation, if not, then we Canadians really are suckers doling out all that money to the upper chamber just to have them rubber stamp everything.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    lukin2006 said:

    I thought that was the senates job ... Make amendments to proposed legislation, if not, then we Canadians really are suckers doling out all that money to the upper chamber just to have them rubber stamp everything.

    That is their job, and for once they're actually doing it... and the Libs are rejecting their amendment for some fucking reason, even though EVERYONE is making the same recommendations. I'm really getting pissed off!
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Why is there no/so little info as to why Trudeau is opposed?
  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Posts: 2,604

    Why is there no/so little info as to why Trudeau is opposed?

    The only reason I've seen presented so far is that he's opposed in principle to the unelected nature of the senate, and thinks they should simply rubber stamp the work of the elected officials.

    This is (thankfully) proving the senate's worth as the chamber of sober second thought.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
  • ^^^
    I guess Harper was right with his choices.
  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Posts: 2,604

    ^^^
    I guess Harper was right with his choices.

    My initial comment to your question was going to be a whispered "Because he's Harper (with nice hair).", lol.

    However, being on day 3 of no cigs I'm not quite ready to handle the reaction that comment would have drawn, so I went factual and now post my first thought as a "joke" (not a particularly good one, I know, lol).
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
  • ^^^
    I guess Harper was right with his choices.

    My initial comment to your question was going to be a whispered "Because he's Harper (with nice hair).", lol.

    However, being on day 3 of no cigs I'm not quite ready to handle the reaction that comment would have drawn, so I went factual and now post my first thought as a "joke" (not a particularly good one, I know, lol).
    Say what you feel man.
    Whatever you do don't go along to get along.
    Especially on this thread.
  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Posts: 2,604

    ^^^
    I guess Harper was right with his choices.

    My initial comment to your question was going to be a whispered "Because he's Harper (with nice hair).", lol.

    However, being on day 3 of no cigs I'm not quite ready to handle the reaction that comment would have drawn, so I went factual and now post my first thought as a "joke" (not a particularly good one, I know, lol).
    Say what you feel man.
    Whatever you do don't go along to get along.
    Especially on this thread.
    Trust me, I get what you're saying, but know that at this specific moment I can't count on myself to react reasonably/rationally, lol. I just have to use the senate that's in my head (second thought and all) a bit more at the moment, I guess, lol.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950

    Why is there no/so little info as to why Trudeau is opposed?

    The only reason I've seen presented so far is that he's opposed in principle to the unelected nature of the senate, and thinks they should simply rubber stamp the work of the elected officials.

    This is (thankfully) proving the senate's worth as the chamber of sober second thought.
    Interesting, because normally I would completely agree with him, lol. This is literally the first time in my life when I thought the Senate was doing something worthwhile (that I was aware of, that is... they may have done useful things that I had no clue about)!
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950

    ^^^
    I guess Harper was right with his choices.

    That's hilarious, since Harper opposed doctor assisted suicide.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950

    ^^^
    I guess Harper was right with his choices.

    My initial comment to your question was going to be a whispered "Because he's Harper (with nice hair).", lol.

    However, being on day 3 of no cigs I'm not quite ready to handle the reaction that comment would have drawn, so I went factual and now post my first thought as a "joke" (not a particularly good one, I know, lol).
    Hahaha. I actually also had to really restrain myself from going on a rant in response to this post. I think we both deserve a pat on the back! :lol:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950

    ^^^
    I guess Harper was right with his choices.

    My initial comment to your question was going to be a whispered "Because he's Harper (with nice hair).", lol.

    However, being on day 3 of no cigs I'm not quite ready to handle the reaction that comment would have drawn, so I went factual and now post my first thought as a "joke" (not a particularly good one, I know, lol).
    Say what you feel man.
    Whatever you do don't go along to get along.
    Especially on this thread.
    Whatever dude, we all know you say pointless comments like that just to get a rise out of people.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Posts: 2,604
    edited June 2016
    PJ_Soul said:

    ^^^
    I guess Harper was right with his choices.

    My initial comment to your question was going to be a whispered "Because he's Harper (with nice hair).", lol.

    However, being on day 3 of no cigs I'm not quite ready to handle the reaction that comment would have drawn, so I went factual and now post my first thought as a "joke" (not a particularly good one, I know, lol).
    Say what you feel man.
    Whatever you do don't go along to get along.
    Especially on this thread.
    Whatever dude, we all know you say pointless comments like that just to get a rise out of people.
    I read it as a simple "stick to your beliefs," without a bias either way. I'm only dancing around things (read: trying to be more careful how I post) because I know I'm not 100% thinking clearly at the moment and don't want to cause needless or excessive offence (I'll point to my post last night in the thread about the gator attack as an example).

    At the moment, my brain feels like: yushabdhxzndjroeoskdbtbdjakarjntnsnentbsbsbdnrrgrdn (works and feels better on a real keyboard, not my current touch screen, lol). But I haven't smoked since Monday, so I'm happy, sort of, lol. I'll shut up now, both to get the thread back on topic, as well as tend to dinner, lol.

    Edited for poor punctuation, lol.
    Post edited by DarthMaeglin on
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950

    PJ_Soul said:

    ^^^
    I guess Harper was right with his choices.

    My initial comment to your question was going to be a whispered "Because he's Harper (with nice hair).", lol.

    However, being on day 3 of no cigs I'm not quite ready to handle the reaction that comment would have drawn, so I went factual and now post my first thought as a "joke" (not a particularly good one, I know, lol).
    Say what you feel man.
    Whatever you do don't go along to get along.
    Especially on this thread.
    Whatever dude, we all know you say pointless comments like that just to get a rise out of people.
    I read it as a simple "stick to your beliefs," without a bias either way. I'm only dancing around things (read: trying to be more careful how I post) because I know I'm not 100% thinking clearly at the moment and don't want to cause needless or excessive offence (I'll point to my post last night in the thread about the gator attack as an example).

    At the moment, my brain feels like: yushabdhxzndjroeoskdbtbdjakarjntnsnentbsbsbdnrrgrdn (works and feels better on a real keyboard, not my current touch screen, lol). But I haven't smoked since Monday, so I'm happy, sort of, lol. I'll shut up now, both to get the thread back on topic, as well as tend to dinner, lol.

    Edited for poor punctuation, lol.
    I meant the first comment about Harper, not the second comment. :)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Posts: 2,604
    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    ^^^
    I guess Harper was right with his choices.

    My initial comment to your question was going to be a whispered "Because he's Harper (with nice hair).", lol.

    However, being on day 3 of no cigs I'm not quite ready to handle the reaction that comment would have drawn, so I went factual and now post my first thought as a "joke" (not a particularly good one, I know, lol).
    Say what you feel man.
    Whatever you do don't go along to get along.
    Especially on this thread.
    Whatever dude, we all know you say pointless comments like that just to get a rise out of people.
    I read it as a simple "stick to your beliefs," without a bias either way. I'm only dancing around things (read: trying to be more careful how I post) because I know I'm not 100% thinking clearly at the moment and don't want to cause needless or excessive offence (I'll point to my post last night in the thread about the gator attack as an example).

    At the moment, my brain feels like: yushabdhxzndjroeoskdbtbdjakarjntnsnentbsbsbdnrrgrdn (works and feels better on a real keyboard, not my current touch screen, lol). But I haven't smoked since Monday, so I'm happy, sort of, lol. I'll shut up now, both to get the thread back on topic, as well as tend to dinner, lol.

    Edited for poor punctuation, lol.
    I meant the first comment about Harper, not the second comment. :)
    My bad, sorry. See? Brain no workey right, lol (although I generally tend to the right, lol).
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
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