Paris Attacks

Drowned Out said:

http://www.alternet.org/media/not-bigots-will-care-muslims-around-world-are-condemning-paris-attacks

tempo_n_groove said:

Drowned Out said:

http://www.alternet.org/media/not-bigots-will-care-muslims-around-world-are-condemning-paris-attacks

Fantastic post that everyone should read.

This one too.

http://www.nytimes.com/live/paris-attacks-live-updates/leader-of-iran-condemns-attacks-postpones-european-trip/

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

rgambs said:

bootlegger10 said:

rgambs said:

Perhaps before we grab pitchforks and form a mob to round up the evil refugees we should wait for a shred of verified Intel...
Nahhhh bootlegger and dirtyfrank are right, we should jump to conclusions and make broad assumptions, that's the right move. Let's not even wait a few hours, let's use this as an opportunity to push our agenda while the dust is literally still settling.

First, clearly it is some sort of Islamic radicalism be it Al Qaeda, ISIS, or some one off Islamic militant cell. i have not said anything about nuking anyone or killing anyone. I have not said to let the refugees die in Syria. You make me out to be a bad person when damnit I just want to make sure Europe stays safe. Ya know what, there are plenty of people that agree with me, hence the border fences being built in Eastern Europe and plenty of Europeans ready to kick out liberal politicians.

I would love to visit a stable Syria and see the ancient ruins and experience the culture there. I am not anti-Muslim just don't think a wave of tens of millions of refugees will be good for Europe in the long run.

I find it to be distasteful and disrespectful to jump to blaming refugees when you have zero evidence and the bodies are practically still warm.
There will be time enough to talk about who to blame and what to do next when there are at least a few details available.
Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves, IMHO.

It is okay if you don't want to have discussion. You don't need to come to the message board. This is the largest mass migration of people since WW2 and there is not a word of it on this message board and it is ludicrous to think that there won't be any negative consequences. The solution to the Middle East problem is not mass migration to Europe.

This Paris attack isn't the first terrorist attack in Europe, but one of many. It isn't like we need the facts right now about this Paris attack to confirm whether there are Islamic terrorists in Europe. This attack could have been staged by the Girl Scouts but that doesn't mean there isn't an issue in Europe with Islamic extremism and large, large disenfranchisement of Muslim youth (I.e., French and Swedish riots in previous years). If you can't see that Europe is changing significantly then I don't know what to tell you. If you also can't recognize that there are millions of Europeans that don't agree with the immigration of refugees and if you cannot empathise with their position then YOU should be ashamed.

You think that German town of 100 that took in 750 refugees will ever be the same? Do you care about those 100 people at all?

There was a huge thread about the refugees. Got so heated it got closed last month. Another one was made, but people realized they couldn't discuss it civilly so the second thread died.

Seems to me like at least some of these terrorists were home grown in Europe and eother way there is nothing siggesting any have something to do with refugees.
Closing our hearts to people in need, to people who are running from the same people we are condemning today, will NOT stop attacks like these, but will make us worse people.
I am DISGUSTED that so many people are using this as a reason to turn their backs on desperate, innocent people who are victims right along with the people who were attacked in Paris yesterday.

bootlegger10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

rgambs said:

bootlegger10 said:

rgambs said:

Perhaps before we grab pitchforks and form a mob to round up the evil refugees we should wait for a shred of verified Intel...
Nahhhh bootlegger and dirtyfrank are right, we should jump to conclusions and make broad assumptions, that's the right move. Let's not even wait a few hours, let's use this as an opportunity to push our agenda while the dust is literally still settling.

First, clearly it is some sort of Islamic radicalism be it Al Qaeda, ISIS, or some one off Islamic militant cell. i have not said anything about nuking anyone or killing anyone. I have not said to let the refugees die in Syria. You make me out to be a bad person when damnit I just want to make sure Europe stays safe. Ya know what, there are plenty of people that agree with me, hence the border fences being built in Eastern Europe and plenty of Europeans ready to kick out liberal politicians.

I would love to visit a stable Syria and see the ancient ruins and experience the culture there. I am not anti-Muslim just don't think a wave of tens of millions of refugees will be good for Europe in the long run.

I find it to be distasteful and disrespectful to jump to blaming refugees when you have zero evidence and the bodies are practically still warm.
There will be time enough to talk about who to blame and what to do next when there are at least a few details available.
Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves, IMHO.

It is okay if you don't want to have discussion. You don't need to come to the message board. This is the largest mass migration of people since WW2 and there is not a word of it on this message board and it is ludicrous to think that there won't be any negative consequences. The solution to the Middle East problem is not mass migration to Europe.

This Paris attack isn't the first terrorist attack in Europe, but one of many. It isn't like we need the facts right now about this Paris attack to confirm whether there are Islamic terrorists in Europe. This attack could have been staged by the Girl Scouts but that doesn't mean there isn't an issue in Europe with Islamic extremism and large, large disenfranchisement of Muslim youth (I.e., French and Swedish riots in previous years). If you can't see that Europe is changing significantly then I don't know what to tell you. If you also can't recognize that there are millions of Europeans that don't agree with the immigration of refugees and if you cannot empathise with their position then YOU should be ashamed.

You think that German town of 100 that took in 750 refugees will ever be the same? Do you care about those 100 people at all?

There was a huge thread about the refugees. Got so heated it got closed last month. Another one was made, but people realized they couldn't discuss it civilly so the second thread died.

Seems to me like at least some of these terrorists were home grown in Europe and eother way there is nothing siggesting any have something to do with refugees.
Closing our hearts to people in need, to people who are running from the same people we are condemning today, will NOT stop attacks like these, but will make us worse people.
I am DISGUSTED that so many people are using this as a reason to turn their backs on desperate, innocent people who are victims right along with the people who were attacked in Paris yesterday.

http://news.yahoo.com/two-men-linked-paris-attacks-registered-migrants-greece-195255102.html

Well, turns out two of the terrorists were migrants. A human with lung cancer isn't saved by moving the cancer to the colon.

People are talking about being partisan in this thread. I don't think anyone is being partisan. One side wants to let in migrants unchecked and the other side doesn't want it because it will and does lead to more terrorism in Europe. Both sides have legitimate opinions. It isn't partisan.