Paris Attacks

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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Nanou said:

    The problem was/is that the owner of the Bataclan was giving his club to organise gala events to raise funds for the Israeli borders police. This group came to inform that they wouldn't tolerate this anymore. Also, they said that this Mygdal organisation was constantly insulting Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs, without giving any further details. They needed to hide their faces...
    It is not enough to link the attacks to the BDS directly (although the S stands for sanctions), but we cannot say the Bataclan was randomly chosen.

    There was no violence at that protest. Violent words? Maybe. I didn't say that the Bataclan was randomly chosen. It looks to me that they were very well planned in their attacks, so not random at all. But they also attacked, or tried to attack the soccer stadium, and a restaurant. What do they all have in common? They are soft targets with a lot of civilians. That's all we know right now. So unless we see some sort of manifesto or some other evidence clearly indicating these attacks were made in part because of the BDS movement....we have no idea.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited December 2015
    dignin said:

    Nanou said:

    The problem was/is that the owner of the Bataclan was giving his club to organise gala events to raise funds for the Israeli borders police. This group came to inform that they wouldn't tolerate this anymore. Also, they said that this Mygdal organisation was constantly insulting Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs, without giving any further details. They needed to hide their faces...
    It is not enough to link the attacks to the BDS directly (although the S stands for sanctions), but we cannot say the Bataclan was randomly chosen.

    That's all we know right now. So unless we see some sort of manifesto or some other evidence clearly indicating these attacks were made in part because of the BDS movement....we have no idea.
    .
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • I wonder what would happen here if 5 guys covered their faces with ski masks and approached a bouncer in a club to deliver a "message"?


    The bouncer would start laughing and he'd say, " I can still see your eyes ya know."

    Then those 5 guys would kinda look at each other and walk away to huddle. They'd eventually settle on a plan to take all their twoonies to the used sporting goods store and buy ski goggles.

    Recharged... they'd approach again... this time in full awesomeness.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    dignin said:

    Nanou said:

    The problem was/is that the owner of the Bataclan was giving his club to organise gala events to raise funds for the Israeli borders police. This group came to inform that they wouldn't tolerate this anymore. Also, they said that this Mygdal organisation was constantly insulting Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs, without giving any further details. They needed to hide their faces...
    It is not enough to link the attacks to the BDS directly (although the S stands for sanctions), but we cannot say the Bataclan was randomly chosen.

    There was no violence at that protest. Violent words? Maybe. I didn't say that the Bataclan was randomly chosen. It looks to me that they were very well planned in their attacks, so not random at all. But they also attacked, or tried to attack the soccer stadium, and a restaurant. What do they all have in common? They are soft targets with a lot of civilians. That's all we know right now. So unless we see some sort of manifesto or some other evidence clearly indicating these attacks were made in part because of the BDS movement....we have no idea.
    Willful ignorance.
  • NanouNanou Posts: 191
    dignin said:

    Nanou said:

    The problem was/is that the owner of the Bataclan was giving his club to organise gala events to raise funds for the Israeli borders police. This group came to inform that they wouldn't tolerate this anymore. Also, they said that this Mygdal organisation was constantly insulting Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs, without giving any further details. They needed to hide their faces...
    It is not enough to link the attacks to the BDS directly (although the S stands for sanctions), but we cannot say the Bataclan was randomly chosen.

    There was no violence at that protest. Violent words? Maybe. I didn't say that the Bataclan was randomly chosen. It looks to me that they were very well planned in their attacks, so not random at all. But they also attacked, or tried to attack the soccer stadium, and a restaurant. What do they all have in common? They are soft targets with a lot of civilians. That's all we know right now. So unless we see some sort of manifesto or some other evidence clearly indicating these attacks were made in part because of the BDS movement....we have no idea.
    It wasn't a protest, they came to "talk" to the administration of the club.
    I didn't say they were violent.
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,939
    dignin said:
    The author is making some assumptions for sure. He could be right, or he could be wrong. There are plenty of articles talking about the refugees coming to Europe is exactly what ISIS wants as it allows terrorists to easily enter and expands their territory.

    To me it makes more sense to send 100,000 troops to the Middle East rather than take in 10 million refugees and have to have 100,000 more troops in Europe to defend against the terrorists that came as part of the 10 million.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388

    dignin said:
    The author is making some assumptions for sure. He could be right, or he could be wrong. There are plenty of articles talking about the refugees coming to Europe is exactly what ISIS wants as it allows terrorists to easily enter and expands their territory.

    To me it makes more sense to send 100,000 troops to the Middle East rather than take in 10 million refugees and have to have 100,000 more troops in Europe to defend against the terrorists that came as part of the 10 million.
    Agree of it's Arab states troops.

    We should be pressuring rich surrounding nations to act, strongly.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    Nanou said:

    The problem was/is that the owner of the Bataclan was giving his club to organise gala events to raise funds for the Israeli borders police. This group came to inform that they wouldn't tolerate this anymore. Also, they said that this Mygdal organisation was constantly insulting Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs, without giving any further details. They needed to hide their faces...
    It is not enough to link the attacks to the BDS directly (although the S stands for sanctions), but we cannot say the Bataclan was randomly chosen.

    There was no violence at that protest. Violent words? Maybe. I didn't say that the Bataclan was randomly chosen. It looks to me that they were very well planned in their attacks, so not random at all. But they also attacked, or tried to attack the soccer stadium, and a restaurant. What do they all have in common? They are soft targets with a lot of civilians. That's all we know right now. So unless we see some sort of manifesto or some other evidence clearly indicating these attacks were made in part because of the BDS movement....we have no idea.
    Willful ignorance.
    Willful ignorance or due diligence?

    I get it, you don't like the BDS.

    I also get that you are a one trick pony. Come back to me with actual evidence.

    dignin said:
    The author is making some assumptions for sure. He could be right, or he could be wrong. There are plenty of articles talking about the refugees coming to Europe is exactly what ISIS wants as it allows terrorists to easily enter and expands their territory.

    To me it makes more sense to send 100,000 troops to the Middle East rather than take in 10 million refugees and have to have 100,000 more troops in Europe to defend against the terrorists that came as part of the 10 million.
    I don't know what the right answer is. But history tells me that sending in troops almost never works in that region. I don't think we can fix the problems there through the barrel of a gun.

    The mess there now is the direct result of the west sending in troops en masse.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    Nanou said:

    The problem was/is that the owner of the Bataclan was giving his club to organise gala events to raise funds for the Israeli borders police. This group came to inform that they wouldn't tolerate this anymore. Also, they said that this Mygdal organisation was constantly insulting Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs, without giving any further details. They needed to hide their faces...
    It is not enough to link the attacks to the BDS directly (although the S stands for sanctions), but we cannot say the Bataclan was randomly chosen.

    There was no violence at that protest. Violent words? Maybe. I didn't say that the Bataclan was randomly chosen. It looks to me that they were very well planned in their attacks, so not random at all. But they also attacked, or tried to attack the soccer stadium, and a restaurant. What do they all have in common? They are soft targets with a lot of civilians. That's all we know right now. So unless we see some sort of manifesto or some other evidence clearly indicating these attacks were made in part because of the BDS movement....we have no idea.
    Willful ignorance.
    Willful ignorance or due diligence?

    I get it, you don't like the BDS.

    I also get that you are a one trick pony. Come back to me with actual evidence.

    dignin said:
    The author is making some assumptions for sure. He could be right, or he could be wrong. There are plenty of articles talking about the refugees coming to Europe is exactly what ISIS wants as it allows terrorists to easily enter and expands their territory.

    To me it makes more sense to send 100,000 troops to the Middle East rather than take in 10 million refugees and have to have 100,000 more troops in Europe to defend against the terrorists that came as part of the 10 million.
    I don't know what the right answer is. But history tells me that sending in troops almost never works in that region. I don't think we can fix the problems there through the barrel of a gun.

    The mess there now is the direct result of the west sending in troops en masse.
    BDS makes common cause with awful people and when those awful people pop off the movement wipes their hands of all culpability. Sorry sir but there's blood on dem hands.
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,939
    callen said:

    dignin said:
    The author is making some assumptions for sure. He could be right, or he could be wrong. There are plenty of articles talking about the refugees coming to Europe is exactly what ISIS wants as it allows terrorists to easily enter and expands their territory.

    To me it makes more sense to send 100,000 troops to the Middle East rather than take in 10 million refugees and have to have 100,000 more troops in Europe to defend against the terrorists that came as part of the 10 million.
    Agree of it's Arab states troops.

    We should be pressuring rich surrounding nations to act, strongly.
    Definitely.
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,939
    edited November 2015
    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    Nanou said:

    The problem was/is that the owner of the Bataclan was giving his club to organise gala events to raise funds for the Israeli borders police. This group came to inform that they wouldn't tolerate this anymore. Also, they said that this Mygdal organisation was constantly insulting Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs, without giving any further details. They needed to hide their faces...
    It is not enough to link the attacks to the BDS directly (although the S stands for sanctions), but we cannot say the Bataclan was randomly chosen.

    There was no violence at that protest. Violent words? Maybe. I didn't say that the Bataclan was randomly chosen. It looks to me that they were very well planned in their attacks, so not random at all. But they also attacked, or tried to attack the soccer stadium, and a restaurant. What do they all have in common? They are soft targets with a lot of civilians. That's all we know right now. So unless we see some sort of manifesto or some other evidence clearly indicating these attacks were made in part because of the BDS movement....we have no idea.
    Willful ignorance.
    Willful ignorance or due diligence?

    I get it, you don't like the BDS.

    I also get that you are a one trick pony. Come back to me with actual evidence.

    dignin said:
    The author is making some assumptions for sure. He could be right, or he could be wrong. There are plenty of articles talking about the refugees coming to Europe is exactly what ISIS wants as it allows terrorists to easily enter and expands their territory.

    To me it makes more sense to send 100,000 troops to the Middle East rather than take in 10 million refugees and have to have 100,000 more troops in Europe to defend against the terrorists that came as part of the 10 million.
    I don't know what the right answer is. But history tells me that sending in troops almost never works in that region. I don't think we can fix the problems there through the barrel of a gun.

    The mess there now is the direct result of the west sending in troops en masse.
    I don't know the right answer either. It sucks to send troops to the Middle East and put their lives at risk and have their families deal with it as well. I think the troops will need to stay for at least a generation (50-60 years). We need young people to grow up in a somewhat safe/stable place where they can get education. But some will view this as an occupation and the young people will become radicalized. I don't know!

    The USA gets a lot of blame and deserves some of it, but a lot of the blame should be with Russia for actively propping up Assad and Iran and putting no pressure on these regimes. China could do a lot more too. These evil regimes are not going to dissappear on their own, and if you don't want war, then we need a global community that is in agreement on putting pressure on these regimes with whatever sanctions are appropriate or the fact that they all agree to put military action on the table if necessary. Right now it is like two parents who are disagreeing how to raise their kids and the kids are running wild knowing that they won't get punished.
    Post edited by bootlegger10 on
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Here's another peaceful protest outside Bataclan...

    https://youtu.be/YY7Yv_qKXhA

    It was only a matter of time for these words to generate violence
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  • Does anyone else think it's plausible that this attack was in retaliation of the hit on the jipitty john guy?
  • Does anyone else think it's plausible that this attack was in retaliation of the hit on the jipitty john guy?

    No, it's widely accepted that these attacks would have taken months to plan
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited December 2015

    Does anyone else think it's plausible that this attack was in retaliation of the hit on the jipitty john guy?

    No, it's widely accepted that these attacks would have taken months to plan
    .
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • Does anyone else think it's plausible that this attack was in retaliation of the hit on the jipitty john guy?

    No, it's widely accepted that these attacks would have taken months to plan
    Accepted yes.
    But perhaps just waiting for the perfect reason to execute the plan.
    Unlikely, they would have planned to target the France v Germany match, an event at which they could be certain Hollande would be present, so the date would have been set long ago
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited December 2015

    Does anyone else think it's plausible that this attack was in retaliation of the hit on the jipitty john guy?

    No, it's widely accepted that these attacks would have taken months to plan
    Accepted yes.
    But perhaps just waiting for the perfect reason to execute the plan.
    Unlikely, they would have planned to target the France v Germany match, an event at which they could be certain Hollande would be present, so the date would have been set long ago
    .
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • To be honest, it hardly matters, the attacks were planned and were going to happen. They were not dependent on one incident
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,519
    France bombing Isis hot spots
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,558
    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    Nanou said:

    The problem was/is that the owner of the Bataclan was giving his club to organise gala events to raise funds for the Israeli borders police. This group came to inform that they wouldn't tolerate this anymore. Also, they said that this Mygdal organisation was constantly insulting Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs, without giving any further details. They needed to hide their faces...
    It is not enough to link the attacks to the BDS directly (although the S stands for sanctions), but we cannot say the Bataclan was randomly chosen.

    There was no violence at that protest. Violent words? Maybe. I didn't say that the Bataclan was randomly chosen. It looks to me that they were very well planned in their attacks, so not random at all. But they also attacked, or tried to attack the soccer stadium, and a restaurant. What do they all have in common? They are soft targets with a lot of civilians. That's all we know right now. So unless we see some sort of manifesto or some other evidence clearly indicating these attacks were made in part because of the BDS movement....we have no idea.
    Willful ignorance.
    Willful ignorance or due diligence?

    I get it, you don't like the BDS.

    I also get that you are a one trick pony. Come back to me with actual evidence.

    dignin said:
    The author is making some assumptions for sure. He could be right, or he could be wrong. There are plenty of articles talking about the refugees coming to Europe is exactly what ISIS wants as it allows terrorists to easily enter and expands their territory.

    To me it makes more sense to send 100,000 troops to the Middle East rather than take in 10 million refugees and have to have 100,000 more troops in Europe to defend against the terrorists that came as part of the 10 million.
    I don't know what the right answer is. But history tells me that sending in troops almost never works in that region. I don't think we can fix the problems there through the barrel of a gun.

    The mess there now is the direct result of the west sending in troops en masse.
    BDS makes common cause with awful people and when those awful people pop off the movement wipes their hands of all culpability. Sorry sir but there's blood on dem hands.
    Or something else entirely. .....


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/we-are-everything-they-hate-mourners-gather-at-paris-attack-sites/2015/11/15/c09acbbe-8b39-11e5-bd91-d385b244482f_story.html?tid=sm_fb
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  • Was there any security outside the venue?
    If there was there is no reporting of them being overtaken.
    How did they get inside?
  • muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013

    France bombing Isis hot spots

    Well that didn't take long….Get sum France!!!! Obummer better get out of the way and let the big boys assist France with this situation.
  • muskydan said:

    France bombing Isis hot spots

    Well that didn't take long….Get sum France!!!! Obummer better get out of the way and let the big boys assist France with this situation.
    While heads are bowed mourning the shit gets done.
    Over and over.
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  • PJ_Soul said:
    From the article.
    A world in which a bomb goes off at a funeral in Baghdad, and not one person’s status update says ‘Baghdad’ because not one white person died in that fire

    Fuck off you stupid author.
  • ldent42ldent42 Posts: 7,859
    edited November 2015
    You might want to put a trigger warning in there Dave.
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