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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    153 people are dead. Stop bickering your partisan bullshit for one second.

  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    PJ_Soul said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    rgambs said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    rgambs said:

    Perhaps before we grab pitchforks and form a mob to round up the evil refugees we should wait for a shred of verified Intel...
    Nahhhh bootlegger and dirtyfrank are right, we should jump to conclusions and make broad assumptions, that's the right move. Let's not even wait a few hours, let's use this as an opportunity to push our agenda while the dust is literally still settling.

    First, clearly it is some sort of Islamic radicalism be it Al Qaeda, ISIS, or some one off Islamic militant cell. i have not said anything about nuking anyone or killing anyone. I have not said to let the refugees die in Syria. You make me out to be a bad person when damnit I just want to make sure Europe stays safe. Ya know what, there are plenty of people that agree with me, hence the border fences being built in Eastern Europe and plenty of Europeans ready to kick out liberal politicians.

    I would love to visit a stable Syria and see the ancient ruins and experience the culture there. I am not anti-Muslim just don't think a wave of tens of millions of refugees will be good for Europe in the long run.
    I find it to be distasteful and disrespectful to jump to blaming refugees when you have zero evidence and the bodies are practically still warm.
    There will be time enough to talk about who to blame and what to do next when there are at least a few details available.
    Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves, IMHO.
    It is okay if you don't want to have discussion. You don't need to come to the message board. This is the largest mass migration of people since WW2 and there is not a word of it on this message board and it is ludicrous to think that there won't be any negative consequences. The solution to the Middle East problem is not mass migration to Europe.

    This Paris attack isn't the first terrorist attack in Europe, but one of many. It isn't like we need the facts right now about this Paris attack to confirm whether there are Islamic terrorists in Europe. This attack could have been staged by the Girl Scouts but that doesn't mean there isn't an issue in Europe with Islamic extremism and large, large disenfranchisement of Muslim youth (I.e., French and Swedish riots in previous years). If you can't see that Europe is changing significantly then I don't know what to tell you. If you also can't recognize that there are millions of Europeans that don't agree with the immigration of refugees and if you cannot empathise with their position then YOU should be ashamed.

    You think that German town of 100 that took in 750 refugees will ever be the same? Do you care about those 100 people at all?
    There was a huge thread about the refugees. Got so heated it got closed last month. Another one was made, but people realized they couldn't discuss it civilly so the second thread died.

    Seems to me like at least some of these terrorists were home grown in Europe and eother way there is nothing siggesting any have something to do with refugees.
    Closing our hearts to people in need, to people who are running from the same people we are condemning today, will NOT stop attacks like these, but will make us worse people.
    I am DISGUSTED that so many people are using this as a reason to turn their backs on desperate, innocent people who are victims right along with the people who were attacked in Paris yesterday.
    Yup. The refugees are running from these same people.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    http://www.alternet.org/media/not-bigots-will-care-muslims-around-world-are-condemning-paris-attacks
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,764
    edited November 2015
    Tristelune said:

    Couldn't attend the show as we were supposed to, had three close friends in the concert hall, two are alive and well, can't get news from the third.

    We have a proverb here that says "violence is the weaks' mean of expression" Let's be strong and have no fear, love.

    Jeremie

    Jeremie,

    I can't even imagine what you are going through right now.

    My heart aches for you, your friends and your countrymen.

    My heart aches for the whole world.
    Post edited by Merkin Baller on
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Drowned Out said:

    http://www.alternet.org/media/not-bigots-will-care-muslims-around-world-are-condemning-paris-attacks

    Fantastic post that everyone should read.

    This one too.

    http://www.nytimes.com/live/paris-attacks-live-updates/leader-of-iran-condemns-attacks-postpones-european-trip/
  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    edited November 2015
    Tristelune said:

    Couldn't attend the show as we were supposed to, had three close friends in the concert hall, two are alive and well, can't get news from the third.

    We have a proverb here that says "violence is the weaks' mean of expression" Let's be strong and have no fear, love.

    Jeremie

    That was a good saying, "violence is the weaks mean of expression"

    I really hope your friend is safe, this is so unbelievably horrible.
    I hope France can feel the support from the rest of the world we are all with you.
    Post edited by Annafalk on
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    One of the attackers was turned away trying to get into the stadium and detonated his bomb trying to get away from security... Jesus this could have been even worse
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    edited November 2015
    Cal,As always on point with the religion thing.

    Tristelune,many good thoughts are being sent your way.Stay strong.

    Drowned,good article.Anyone with a brain gets that this is fundamentalist jihadists.My fear is that those who don't get it will take out frustrations on regular Muslims.Thats the backlash to keep an eye on.

    Dan-O I do agree that those who are complacent and in denial will regret it.

    Gambsy, liked the pitchfork reference.
  • Enkidu
    Enkidu So Cal Posts: 2,996
    tempo_n_groove said:

    Drowned Out said:

    http://www.alternet.org/media/not-bigots-will-care-muslims-around-world-are-condemning-paris-attacks

    Fantastic post that everyone should read.

    This one too.

    http://www.nytimes.com/live/paris-attacks-live-updates/leader-of-iran-condemns-attacks-postpones-european-trip/
    Thank you for posting this. I hope people take the time to read it. And I echo this previous post:

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    153 people are dead. Stop bickering your partisan bullshit for one second.
  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    One of the victims is from CA and went to Cal State Long Beach.

    Thoughts and prayers to France and those who know the victims.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Given that the Middle East region only accounts for what, 10%? of the Muslim world, the anti-Islam sentiment in the US is going to get sickeningly bad. It is already pretty disgusting, but the next few weeks are going to be a good time to stay away from social media.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Enkidu said:

    tempo_n_groove said:

    Drowned Out said:

    http://www.alternet.org/media/not-bigots-will-care-muslims-around-world-are-condemning-paris-attacks

    Fantastic post that everyone should read.

    This one too.

    http://www.nytimes.com/live/paris-attacks-live-updates/leader-of-iran-condemns-attacks-postpones-european-trip/
    Thank you for posting this. I hope people take the time to read it. And I echo this previous post:

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    153 people are dead. Stop bickering your partisan bullshit for one second.
    No prob.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Here's a GREAT article by Rollingstone:

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/after-paris-attacks-dont-close-doors-to-refugees-open-them-20151114
  • JWPearl
    JWPearl Posts: 19,893
    rgambs said:

    Given that the Middle East region only accounts for what, 10%? of the Muslim world, the anti-Islam sentiment in the US is going to get sickeningly bad. It is already pretty disgusting, but the next few weeks are going to be a good time to stay away from social media.

    its is disgusting and the reasons are even worse to fathom
    it makes me wonder of those who in those countries are in agreement
    with their actions and are watching on and thinking of doing similar
    things
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,255
    PJ_Soul said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    rgambs said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    rgambs said:

    Perhaps before we grab pitchforks and form a mob to round up the evil refugees we should wait for a shred of verified Intel...
    Nahhhh bootlegger and dirtyfrank are right, we should jump to conclusions and make broad assumptions, that's the right move. Let's not even wait a few hours, let's use this as an opportunity to push our agenda while the dust is literally still settling.

    First, clearly it is some sort of Islamic radicalism be it Al Qaeda, ISIS, or some one off Islamic militant cell. i have not said anything about nuking anyone or killing anyone. I have not said to let the refugees die in Syria. You make me out to be a bad person when damnit I just want to make sure Europe stays safe. Ya know what, there are plenty of people that agree with me, hence the border fences being built in Eastern Europe and plenty of Europeans ready to kick out liberal politicians.

    I would love to visit a stable Syria and see the ancient ruins and experience the culture there. I am not anti-Muslim just don't think a wave of tens of millions of refugees will be good for Europe in the long run.
    I find it to be distasteful and disrespectful to jump to blaming refugees when you have zero evidence and the bodies are practically still warm.
    There will be time enough to talk about who to blame and what to do next when there are at least a few details available.
    Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves, IMHO.
    It is okay if you don't want to have discussion. You don't need to come to the message board. This is the largest mass migration of people since WW2 and there is not a word of it on this message board and it is ludicrous to think that there won't be any negative consequences. The solution to the Middle East problem is not mass migration to Europe.

    This Paris attack isn't the first terrorist attack in Europe, but one of many. It isn't like we need the facts right now about this Paris attack to confirm whether there are Islamic terrorists in Europe. This attack could have been staged by the Girl Scouts but that doesn't mean there isn't an issue in Europe with Islamic extremism and large, large disenfranchisement of Muslim youth (I.e., French and Swedish riots in previous years). If you can't see that Europe is changing significantly then I don't know what to tell you. If you also can't recognize that there are millions of Europeans that don't agree with the immigration of refugees and if you cannot empathise with their position then YOU should be ashamed.

    You think that German town of 100 that took in 750 refugees will ever be the same? Do you care about those 100 people at all?
    There was a huge thread about the refugees. Got so heated it got closed last month. Another one was made, but people realized they couldn't discuss it civilly so the second thread died.

    Seems to me like at least some of these terrorists were home grown in Europe and eother way there is nothing siggesting any have something to do with refugees.
    Closing our hearts to people in need, to people who are running from the same people we are condemning today, will NOT stop attacks like these, but will make us worse people.
    I am DISGUSTED that so many people are using this as a reason to turn their backs on desperate, innocent people who are victims right along with the people who were attacked in Paris yesterday.
    http://news.yahoo.com/two-men-linked-paris-attacks-registered-migrants-greece-195255102.html

    Well, turns out two of the terrorists were migrants. A human with lung cancer isn't saved by moving the cancer to the colon.

    People are talking about being partisan in this thread. I don't think anyone is being partisan. One side wants to let in migrants unchecked and the other side doesn't want it because it will and does lead to more terrorism in Europe. Both sides have legitimate opinions. It isn't partisan.
  • SD48277
    SD48277 Posts: 12,243
    Tristelune said:

    Couldn't attend the show as we were supposed to, had three close friends in the concert hall, two are alive and well, can't get news from the third.

    We have a proverb here that says "violence is the weaks' mean of expression" Let's be strong and have no fear, love.

    Jeremie

    Jeremie, I hope you have heard from your third friend by now. Stay strong.
    ELITIST FUK
  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    JWPearl said:

    rgambs said:

    Given that the Middle East region only accounts for what, 10%? of the Muslim world, the anti-Islam sentiment in the US is going to get sickeningly bad. It is already pretty disgusting, but the next few weeks are going to be a good time to stay away from social media.

    its is disgusting and the reasons are even worse to fathom
    it makes me wonder of those who in those countries are in agreement
    with their actions and are watching on and thinking of doing similar
    things
    Fuckin A!!! Never doubt your scooby- sence...especially if you live in a big urban area.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited December 2015
    Enkidu said:

    tempo_n_groove said:

    Drowned Out said:

    http://www.alternet.org/media/not-bigots-will-care-muslims-around-world-are-condemning-paris-attacks

    Fantastic post that everyone should read.

    This one too.

    http://www.nytimes.com/live/paris-attacks-live-updates/leader-of-iran-condemns-attacks-postpones-european-trip/
    Thank you for posting this. I hope people take the time to read it. And I echo this previous post:

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    153 people are dead. Stop bickering your partisan bullshit for one second.
    .
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    bootlegger10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    rgambs said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    rgambs said:

    Perhaps before we grab pitchforks and form a mob to round up the evil refugees we should wait for a shred of verified Intel...
    Nahhhh bootlegger and dirtyfrank are right, we should jump to conclusions and make broad assumptions, that's the right move. Let's not even wait a few hours, let's use this as an opportunity to push our agenda while the dust is literally still settling.

    First, clearly it is some sort of Islamic radicalism be it Al Qaeda, ISIS, or some one off Islamic militant cell. i have not said anything about nuking anyone or killing anyone. I have not said to let the refugees die in Syria. You make me out to be a bad person when damnit I just want to make sure Europe stays safe. Ya know what, there are plenty of people that agree with me, hence the border fences being built in Eastern Europe and plenty of Europeans ready to kick out liberal politicians.

    I would love to visit a stable Syria and see the ancient ruins and experience the culture there. I am not anti-Muslim just don't think a wave of tens of millions of refugees will be good for Europe in the long run.
    I find it to be distasteful and disrespectful to jump to blaming refugees when you have zero evidence and the bodies are practically still warm.
    There will be time enough to talk about who to blame and what to do next when there are at least a few details available.
    Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves, IMHO.
    It is okay if you don't want to have discussion. You don't need to come to the message board. This is the largest mass migration of people since WW2 and there is not a word of it on this message board and it is ludicrous to think that there won't be any negative consequences. The solution to the Middle East problem is not mass migration to Europe.

    This Paris attack isn't the first terrorist attack in Europe, but one of many. It isn't like we need the facts right now about this Paris attack to confirm whether there are Islamic terrorists in Europe. This attack could have been staged by the Girl Scouts but that doesn't mean there isn't an issue in Europe with Islamic extremism and large, large disenfranchisement of Muslim youth (I.e., French and Swedish riots in previous years). If you can't see that Europe is changing significantly then I don't know what to tell you. If you also can't recognize that there are millions of Europeans that don't agree with the immigration of refugees and if you cannot empathise with their position then YOU should be ashamed.

    You think that German town of 100 that took in 750 refugees will ever be the same? Do you care about those 100 people at all?
    There was a huge thread about the refugees. Got so heated it got closed last month. Another one was made, but people realized they couldn't discuss it civilly so the second thread died.

    Seems to me like at least some of these terrorists were home grown in Europe and eother way there is nothing siggesting any have something to do with refugees.
    Closing our hearts to people in need, to people who are running from the same people we are condemning today, will NOT stop attacks like these, but will make us worse people.
    I am DISGUSTED that so many people are using this as a reason to turn their backs on desperate, innocent people who are victims right along with the people who were attacked in Paris yesterday.
    http://news.yahoo.com/two-men-linked-paris-attacks-registered-migrants-greece-195255102.html

    Well, turns out two of the terrorists were migrants. A human with lung cancer isn't saved by moving the cancer to the colon.

    People are talking about being partisan in this thread. I don't think anyone is being partisan. One side wants to let in migrants unchecked and the other side doesn't want it because it will and does lead to more terrorism in Europe. Both sides have legitimate opinions. It isn't partisan.
    I'm sure I can speak for everybody here when I say that nobody wants to let in refugees unchecked. We practice due diligence but continue to take in who we can, as promptly as we can.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    dignin said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    rgambs said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    rgambs said:

    Perhaps before we grab pitchforks and form a mob to round up the evil refugees we should wait for a shred of verified Intel...
    Nahhhh bootlegger and dirtyfrank are right, we should jump to conclusions and make broad assumptions, that's the right move. Let's not even wait a few hours, let's use this as an opportunity to push our agenda while the dust is literally still settling.

    First, clearly it is some sort of Islamic radicalism be it Al Qaeda, ISIS, or some one off Islamic militant cell. i have not said anything about nuking anyone or killing anyone. I have not said to let the refugees die in Syria. You make me out to be a bad person when damnit I just want to make sure Europe stays safe. Ya know what, there are plenty of people that agree with me, hence the border fences being built in Eastern Europe and plenty of Europeans ready to kick out liberal politicians.

    I would love to visit a stable Syria and see the ancient ruins and experience the culture there. I am not anti-Muslim just don't think a wave of tens of millions of refugees will be good for Europe in the long run.
    I find it to be distasteful and disrespectful to jump to blaming refugees when you have zero evidence and the bodies are practically still warm.
    There will be time enough to talk about who to blame and what to do next when there are at least a few details available.
    Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves, IMHO.
    It is okay if you don't want to have discussion. You don't need to come to the message board. This is the largest mass migration of people since WW2 and there is not a word of it on this message board and it is ludicrous to think that there won't be any negative consequences. The solution to the Middle East problem is not mass migration to Europe.

    This Paris attack isn't the first terrorist attack in Europe, but one of many. It isn't like we need the facts right now about this Paris attack to confirm whether there are Islamic terrorists in Europe. This attack could have been staged by the Girl Scouts but that doesn't mean there isn't an issue in Europe with Islamic extremism and large, large disenfranchisement of Muslim youth (I.e., French and Swedish riots in previous years). If you can't see that Europe is changing significantly then I don't know what to tell you. If you also can't recognize that there are millions of Europeans that don't agree with the immigration of refugees and if you cannot empathise with their position then YOU should be ashamed.

    You think that German town of 100 that took in 750 refugees will ever be the same? Do you care about those 100 people at all?
    There was a huge thread about the refugees. Got so heated it got closed last month. Another one was made, but people realized they couldn't discuss it civilly so the second thread died.

    Seems to me like at least some of these terrorists were home grown in Europe and eother way there is nothing siggesting any have something to do with refugees.
    Closing our hearts to people in need, to people who are running from the same people we are condemning today, will NOT stop attacks like these, but will make us worse people.
    I am DISGUSTED that so many people are using this as a reason to turn their backs on desperate, innocent people who are victims right along with the people who were attacked in Paris yesterday.
    http://news.yahoo.com/two-men-linked-paris-attacks-registered-migrants-greece-195255102.html

    Well, turns out two of the terrorists were migrants. A human with lung cancer isn't saved by moving the cancer to the colon.

    People are talking about being partisan in this thread. I don't think anyone is being partisan. One side wants to let in migrants unchecked and the other side doesn't want it because it will and does lead to more terrorism in Europe. Both sides have legitimate opinions. It isn't partisan.
    I'm sure I can speak for everybody here when I say that nobody wants to let in refugees unchecked. We practice due diligence but continue to take in who we can, as promptly as we can.
    Unless someone around these parts can honestly say that they will accept one of these refugees and have them sitting next to them at the dinner table tomorrow they must surely know that a proper security screening can not be promised in that short of time.

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