What the hell happen in Virginia??

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Buying cheap chickens harvested from factory farms is worse than killing your own animal, in the wild, to fill your deep freezer.

So what are we doing here? Saying that two wrongs somehow make a right?

I'm not going to agree with you that hunting is wrong. I don't do it, but I understand it. Human beings eat meat. Fishing with a single line and hunting are the most natural ways for humans to get their meat. Not only that, the meat from the wild is much healthier than the meats we buy at the local store.

You got hung up on someone watching an animal in the wild die? I'd bet you wouldn't think much of animals in the slaughter houses. If you're a vegetarian and own no leather... I think you'd be in a position to cast stones at hunters. But if you're not, its hypocritical in my mind.

I am not against animals dying so that we can eat meat though. My problem is with people who go out into the homes of the wild animals and shoot them for fun. They have no need to kill those free and wild animals for food. They are doing it for a good time first and foremost, and that is exactly what I take issue with.

PJ_Soul said:

I have no idea how a person can go out for fun, look at a wild animal, and shoot it dead and be really pleased with themselves for murdering it, even though they don't NEED to do it for food, etc. I think it's sick.

PJ Soul I wrote this whole response to you but the cat jumped on the keyboard and deleted it. The short version is I don't disagree with you. If I didn't actually end up knowing someone who did that for a little while I wouldn't have had those debates about it. What I learned is that hunting is a cultural difference. Kinda like those people whose religion says they can't let the exterminator in. It's something I disagree with on principle 100% but it's a cultural difference so you have to let it be.

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

mcgruff10 said:

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

What's the obsession with owning a weapon? To me anyone who thinks that they must own a weapon already has a mental illness.

I m 37 and started hunting with my dad and grandfather when I was ten. I ll continue the tradition with my own kids. I guess we all have mental illnesses you dumb ass.

I mean there's something wrong with you when you come out of the gate calling people (me) a dumbass, but I've seen you post on the forums here and I'm not a bit surprised. Do you let the animals know ahead of time that you are hunting them for sport? Are you hard up for meat? Sounds like you're real thought out all together.

I could be mistaken, but I believe mcgruff doesn't hunt for the hell or the sport of it.

No matter the weapon used or (legal) intent behind it, of course common-sense standards should be put in place and adhered to.

hedonist said:

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

mcgruff10 said:

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

What's the obsession with owning a weapon? To me anyone who thinks that they must own a weapon already has a mental illness.

I m 37 and started hunting with my dad and grandfather when I was ten. I ll continue the tradition with my own kids. I guess we all have mental illnesses you dumb ass.

I mean there's something wrong with you when you come out of the gate calling people (me) a dumbass, but I've seen you post on the forums here and I'm not a bit surprised. Do you let the animals know ahead of time that you are hunting them for sport? Are you hard up for meat? Sounds like you're real thought out all together.

I could be mistaken, but I believe mcgruff doesn't hunt for the hell or the sport of it.

No matter the weapon used or (legal) intent behind it, of course common-sense standards should be put in place and adhered to.

Of course he hunts for sport. He said himself it's a time honoured tradition. That is same as saying it's good family fun. The meat is a bonus.

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Buying cheap chickens harvested from factory farms is worse than killing your own animal, in the wild, to fill your deep freezer.

So what are we doing here? Saying that two wrongs somehow make a right?

I'm not going to agree with you that hunting is wrong. I don't do it, but I understand it. Human beings eat meat. Fishing with a single line and hunting are the most natural ways for humans to get their meat. Not only that, the meat from the wild is much healthier than the meats we buy at the local store.

You got hung up on someone watching an animal in the wild die? I'd bet you wouldn't think much of animals in the slaughter houses. If you're a vegetarian and own no leather... I think you'd be in a position to cast stones at hunters. But if you're not, its hypocritical in my mind.

I am not against animals dying so that we can eat meat though. My problem is with people who go out into the homes of the wild animals and shoot them for fun. They have no need to kill those free and wild animals for food. They are doing it for a good time first and foremost, and that is exactly what I take issue with.

From a logical perspective, this is completely backwards.
Wild animals live dignified lives, and die dignified deaths.
Factory farmed animals live disgraceful lives that amount to torture, and die disgraceful factory deaths. If someone was going to kill you, wouldn't you prefer they at least look you in the eye?

You are hung up on hunters enjoying killing, but there is no moral high ground in letting someone else do your killing for you and reaping the benefits.

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Buying cheap chickens harvested from factory farms is worse than killing your own animal, in the wild, to fill your deep freezer.

So what are we doing here? Saying that two wrongs somehow make a right?

I'm not going to agree with you that hunting is wrong. I don't do it, but I understand it. Human beings eat meat. Fishing with a single line and hunting are the most natural ways for humans to get their meat. Not only that, the meat from the wild is much healthier than the meats we buy at the local store.

You got hung up on someone watching an animal in the wild die? I'd bet you wouldn't think much of animals in the slaughter houses. If you're a vegetarian and own no leather... I think you'd be in a position to cast stones at hunters. But if you're not, its hypocritical in my mind.

I am not against animals dying so that we can eat meat though. My problem is with people who go out into the homes of the wild animals and shoot them for fun. They have no need to kill those free and wild animals for food. They are doing it for a good time first and foremost, and that is exactly what I take issue with.

From a logical perspective, this is completely backwards.
Wild animals live dignified lives, and die dignified deaths.
Factory farmed animals live disgraceful lives that amount to torture, and die disgraceful factory deaths. If someone was going to kill you, wouldn't you prefer they at least look you in the eye?

You are hung up on hunters enjoying killing, but there is no moral high ground in letting someone else do your killing for you and reaping the benefits.

Yes, I am hung up on people killing for fun. I do not feel bad about that for one single second. I think there is something twisted about it. I also do have an issue with human encroachment in general. Walking into their home and murdering them for fun is the extreme example of that. There is no conflict in my opinion. Food manufacturing has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I know you don't agree with it, but it's not a hypocritical viewpoint. And sorry, but I think that a hunter talking about how amazing the animals' lives are in the wild as a way to defend coming along and stalking and murdering them is completely ridiculous.
Of course I also advocate for humane practices in the meat industry, but that is a completely different issue.

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Buying cheap chickens harvested from factory farms is worse than killing your own animal, in the wild, to fill your deep freezer.

So what are we doing here? Saying that two wrongs somehow make a right?

I'm not going to agree with you that hunting is wrong. I don't do it, but I understand it. Human beings eat meat. Fishing with a single line and hunting are the most natural ways for humans to get their meat. Not only that, the meat from the wild is much healthier than the meats we buy at the local store.

You got hung up on someone watching an animal in the wild die? I'd bet you wouldn't think much of animals in the slaughter houses. If you're a vegetarian and own no leather... I think you'd be in a position to cast stones at hunters. But if you're not, its hypocritical in my mind.

I am not against animals dying so that we can eat meat though. My problem is with people who go out into the homes of the wild animals and shoot them for fun. They have no need to kill those free and wild animals for food. They are doing it for a good time first and foremost, and that is exactly what I take issue with.

From a logical perspective, this is completely backwards.
Wild animals live dignified lives, and die dignified deaths.
Factory farmed animals live disgraceful lives that amount to torture, and die disgraceful factory deaths. If someone was going to kill you, wouldn't you prefer they at least look you in the eye?

You are hung up on hunters enjoying killing, but there is no moral high ground in letting someone else do your killing for you and reaping the benefits.

Yes, I am hung up on people killing for fun. I do not feel bad about that for one single second. I think there is something twisted about it. I also do have an issue with human encroachment in general. Walking into their home and murdering them for fun is the extreme of that. There is no conflict in my opinion. Food manufacturing has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I know you don't agree with it, but it's not a hypocritical viewpoint.

It is hypocritical.
You take enjoyment from eating meat, others take enjoyment from procuring meat. It's a pretty slight distinction to be hung up on.

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Buying cheap chickens harvested from factory farms is worse than killing your own animal, in the wild, to fill your deep freezer.

So what are we doing here? Saying that two wrongs somehow make a right?

I'm not going to agree with you that hunting is wrong. I don't do it, but I understand it. Human beings eat meat. Fishing with a single line and hunting are the most natural ways for humans to get their meat. Not only that, the meat from the wild is much healthier than the meats we buy at the local store.

You got hung up on someone watching an animal in the wild die? I'd bet you wouldn't think much of animals in the slaughter houses. If you're a vegetarian and own no leather... I think you'd be in a position to cast stones at hunters. But if you're not, its hypocritical in my mind.

I am not against animals dying so that we can eat meat though. My problem is with people who go out into the homes of the wild animals and shoot them for fun. They have no need to kill those free and wild animals for food. They are doing it for a good time first and foremost, and that is exactly what I take issue with.

From a logical perspective, this is completely backwards.
Wild animals live dignified lives, and die dignified deaths.
Factory farmed animals live disgraceful lives that amount to torture, and die disgraceful factory deaths. If someone was going to kill you, wouldn't you prefer they at least look you in the eye?

You are hung up on hunters enjoying killing, but there is no moral high ground in letting someone else do your killing for you and reaping the benefits.

Yes, I am hung up on people killing for fun. I do not feel bad about that for one single second. I think there is something twisted about it. I also do have an issue with human encroachment in general. Walking into their home and murdering them for fun is the extreme of that. There is no conflict in my opinion. Food manufacturing has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I know you don't agree with it, but it's not a hypocritical viewpoint.

It is hypocritical.
You take enjoyment from eating meat, others take enjoyment from procuring meat. It's a pretty slight distinction to be hung up on.

I disagree, but I'll say something that I have said a hundred times before, in a general sense (though I am not a hypocrite in this particular case IMO, because going and murdering something for fun is not the same as eating food. But I totally understand that you don't see it that way): anyone who says they're not a hypocrite is also a liar.

(I should also say that I never advocate for taking guns away from hunters. That they can kill for sport makes me sick, but I don't think it should actually be illegal unless you're talking about animals where the population is endangered or at risk.... I also think that killing the mother of babies should be harshly punished, even if it's an accident, i.e. the hunter claims to have not known about the offspring).

my suggestions from another thread on how to curtail gun violence and keeping them out of the wrong hands:
every weapon bought has to be registered with the state and federal government. Before owning a gun you must take a firearm safety course. Before owning a gun you must pass a background check. Before owning a gun you must pass a mental health background check. Before owning your first gun your employer should be contacted to make sure there are no problems. Penalties for straw purchases and selling guns illegally should be enforced and more severe. Educate children (what age I don't know) on what a firearm is, what it can do, what to do if you find one in you house. Educate on safely storing firearms: pass a law that provides a gun lock with every firearm purchase. Here in nj we have a maximum of 15 rounds for a detachable clip but I don't see why a federal policy of max of 30 rounds isn't reasonable. Don't ban any guns, just make sure people are fit to use them responsibly.
to me people don't want background checks because they have something to hide. just my .02.

Last-12-Exit said:

I don't know why hunting filled up most of this page. The only real hunting (in my mind) is bow and arrow hunting. It involves actual skill. My 6 year old son can take a gun and kill a deer eating from a pile of corn I poured out 25 yards from my tree stand. But i understand people hunt. Whatever.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I can respect hunting.

I have a tough time respecting owning guns as 'toys' (under the guise of 'protection').

This sums up my argument against the gun nuts that feel they need an arsenal of weapons. Like their home is going to be attacked by a platoon of gang bangers or members of Isis.

Agreed (also a good point about hunting tactics, but still the "sport" part bothers me). What I also don't understand is how gun advocates are always babbling about both protection as well as responsible gun ownership, but from what I've gathered, the only way people can truly be "responsible gun owners" is by locking up their guns, and locking up their ammo in a different place. If they are doing that, then they can't use the guns for protection anyway, unless they are given a lot of warning.... which really would mean that marauding gangs have taken over and society is basically collapsing around them.