the only gun problem I can think of is that I can't afford every gun I'd like to have.
Godfather.
Get your head out of the sand. What's more important - your own naive delusions that everything is better with a well-armed population and government-endorsed right to bear arms, or the fact that this graph shows what it does about a population with guns readily available?
You're talking about a provable correlation between number of guns in circulation, and fatality rates in the population. America, by this chart, has around nine times the fatality by firearms rate as the next country.
good grief, who asked me, who was it that said they wanted all guns removed from America ? nobody on the train ever said that........ right ! too many people think they know whats best for America...even non Americans, all this whinny shit about guns is just a joke to read but hay I'm always up for a good laugh, how about this ..lets enforce the death penalty when murder is commited (not self defence) let's not have a death row, let's just get it done with in say 2 weeks of the sentancing...ohhh shit that's just unfair and too violent right ? we don't want any innocent people killed by mistake right ? but we can sure as shit strip good Americans of thier rights to own guns, you guy's have this micro manage idea to save the world that in the end will come back to bite you on the ass, one freedom at a time...and the best part about it is that you guy's will fall for it every time.
the only gun problem I can think of is that I can't afford every gun I'd like to have.
Godfather.
Get your head out of the sand. What's more important - your own naive delusions that everything is better with a well-armed population and government-endorsed right to bear arms, or the fact that this graph shows what it does about a population with guns readily available?
You're talking about a provable correlation between number of guns in circulation, and fatality rates in the population. America, by this chart, has around nine times the fatality by firearms rate as the next country.
good grief, who asked me, who was it that said they wanted all guns removed from America ? nobody on the train ever said that........ right ! too many people think they know whats best for America...even non Americans, all this whinny shit about guns is just a joke to read but hay I'm always up for a good laugh, how about this ..lets enforce the death penalty when murder is commited (not self defence) let's not have a death row, let's just get it done with in say 2 weeks of the sentancing...ohhh shit that's just unfair and too violent right ? we don't want any innocent people killed by mistake right ? but we can sure as shit strip good Americans of thier rights to own guns, you guy's have this micro manage idea to save the world that in the end will come back to bite you on the ass, one freedom at a time...and the best part about it is that you guy's will fall for it every time.
Please just leave hunting out of this debate if someone wants start s thread about hunting go ahead .....let's keep this on track again weapons & demented people make for a lethal combination this country needs to figure a way to keep these weapons away from them and who ever can't admit what the soul purpose of a gun is for get your head out of your arse ....
I've never understood this correlation between owning a gun as a weapon and owning a rifle to hunt. Hunters are for the most part responsible gun owners who are using a gun as a tool. They have no allusions that their guns will save them from a phantom attacker. A hunter simply uses his or her rifle to kill an animal quickly and humanely. Conversely, many guns are designed solely to kill other human beings. This fantasy about staving off a killer seems thoroughly American to me. I just don't get it.
If a tool's primary purpose is to kill things, it's inevitable that the successful use of that tool will lead to many intended deaths. It seems absurd to be so opposed to regulating a tool that is fundamentally lethal. If you have a disproportionate number of guns in the hands of your country's people, is it any wonder that there are more gun related deaths in your nation? At this point these murders aren't shocking; they're predictable.
the only gun problem I can think of is that I can't afford every gun I'd like to have.
Godfather.
Get your head out of the sand. What's more important - your own naive delusions that everything is better with a well-armed population and government-endorsed right to bear arms, or the fact that this graph shows what it does about a population with guns readily available?
You're talking about a provable correlation between number of guns in circulation, and fatality rates in the population. America, by this chart, has around nine times the fatality by firearms rate as the next country.
good grief, who asked me, who was it that said they wanted all guns removed from America ? nobody on the train ever said that........ right ! too many people think they know whats best for America...even non Americans, all this whinny shit about guns is just a joke to read but hay I'm always up for a good laugh, how about this ..lets enforce the death penalty when murder is commited (not self defence) let's not have a death row, let's just get it done with in say 2 weeks of the sentancing...ohhh shit that's just unfair and too violent right ? we don't want any innocent people killed by mistake right ? but we can sure as shit strip good Americans of thier rights to own guns, you guy's have this micro manage idea to save the world that in the end will come back to bite you on the ass, one freedom at a time...and the best part about it is that you guy's will fall for it every time.
Godfather.
You are comparing executing innocent people to taking hobbies from people. That makes sense in Godfather land, but to those who use logic and reason...
good grief, who asked me, who was it that said they wanted all guns removed from America ? nobody on the train ever said that........ right ! too many people think they know whats best for America...even non Americans, all this whinny shit about guns is just a joke to read but hay I'm always up for a good laugh, how about this ..lets enforce the death penalty when murder is commited (not self defence) let's not have a death row, let's just get it done with in say 2 weeks of the sentancing...ohhh shit that's just unfair and too violent right ? we don't want any innocent people killed by mistake right ? but we can sure as shit strip good Americans of thier rights to own guns, you guy's have this micro manage idea to save the world that in the end will come back to bite you on the ass, one freedom at a time...and the best part about it is that you guy's will fall for it every time.
Godfather.
That was rather hard to read. By killing someone with a gun you take away the majority of their freedoms. Freedom-schmeedom. You are living in a country that beeps swear words out on tv. America is a paradox.
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the only gun problem I can think of is that I can't afford every gun I'd like to have.
Godfather.
Get your head out of the sand. What's more important - your own naive delusions that everything is better with a well-armed population and government-endorsed right to bear arms, or the fact that this graph shows what it does about a population with guns readily available?
You're talking about a provable correlation between number of guns in circulation, and fatality rates in the population. America, by this chart, has around nine times the fatality by firearms rate as the next country.
good grief, who asked me, who was it that said they wanted all guns removed from America ? nobody on the train ever said that........ right ! too many people think they know whats best for America...even non Americans, all this whinny shit about guns is just a joke to read but hay I'm always up for a good laugh, how about this ..lets enforce the death penalty when murder is commited (not self defence) let's not have a death row, let's just get it done with in say 2 weeks of the sentancing...ohhh shit that's just unfair and too violent right ? we don't want any innocent people killed by mistake right ? but we can sure as shit strip good Americans of thier rights to own guns, you guy's have this micro manage idea to save the world that in the end will come back to bite you on the ass, one freedom at a time...and the best part about it is that you guy's will fall for it every time.
Godfather.
I'm not even sure what you're talking about here. Comparing two things that have nothing to do with each other.
Keep fighting your fight for weapons. Keep clinging to outdated laws. Hopefully enough people in this country will wake the fuck up and realize this is what is bringing us down. And hopefully the legislators in Virginia that were referenced earlier will be voted out.
Please just leave hunting out of this debate if someone wants start s thread about hunting go ahead .....let's keep this on track again weapons & demented people make for a lethal combination this country needs to figure a way to keep these weapons away from them and who ever can't admit what the soul purpose of a gun is for get your head out of your arse ....
Jose...
It's a decent side discussion that's relevant. This gun control debate has been played many times on this forum and to be honest, the hunting angle is a fresh component worthy of probing- especially when deliberating what is and what isn't an appropriate rifle for the average citizen to own.
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the only gun problem I can think of is that I can't afford every gun I'd like to have.
Godfather.
Get your head out of the sand. What's more important - your own naive delusions that everything is better with a well-armed population and government-endorsed right to bear arms, or the fact that this graph shows what it does about a population with guns readily available?
You're talking about a provable correlation between number of guns in circulation, and fatality rates in the population. America, by this chart, has around nine times the fatality by firearms rate as the next country.
good grief, who asked me, who was it that said they wanted all guns removed from America ? nobody on the train ever said that........ right ! too many people think they know whats best for America...even non Americans, all this whinny shit about guns is just a joke to read but hay I'm always up for a good laugh, how about this ..lets enforce the death penalty when murder is commited (not self defence) let's not have a death row, let's just get it done with in say 2 weeks of the sentancing...ohhh shit that's just unfair and too violent right ? we don't want any innocent people killed by mistake right ? but we can sure as shit strip good Americans of thier rights to own guns, you guy's have this micro manage idea to save the world that in the end will come back to bite you on the ass, one freedom at a time...and the best part about it is that you guy's will fall for it every time.
Godfather.
You are comparing executing innocent people to taking hobbies from people. That makes sense in Godfather land, but to those who use logic and reason...
Godfatherland....I like that LOL ! but really, logic and reason are easly masked by decete these days (decete ?...no spelling jokes please LOL !!)
the only gun problem I can think of is that I can't afford every gun I'd like to have.
Godfather.
Get your head out of the sand. What's more important - your own naive delusions that everything is better with a well-armed population and government-endorsed right to bear arms, or the fact that this graph shows what it does about a population with guns readily available?
You're talking about a provable correlation between number of guns in circulation, and fatality rates in the population. America, by this chart, has around nine times the fatality by firearms rate as the next country.
good grief, who asked me, who was it that said they wanted all guns removed from America ? nobody on the train ever said that........ right ! too many people think they know whats best for America...even non Americans, all this whinny shit about guns is just a joke to read but hay I'm always up for a good laugh, how about this ..lets enforce the death penalty when murder is commited (not self defence) let's not have a death row, let's just get it done with in say 2 weeks of the sentancing...ohhh shit that's just unfair and too violent right ? we don't want any innocent people killed by mistake right ? but we can sure as shit strip good Americans of thier rights to own guns, you guy's have this micro manage idea to save the world that in the end will come back to bite you on the ass, one freedom at a time...and the best part about it is that you guy's will fall for it every time.
Godfather.
You are comparing executing innocent people to taking hobbies from people. That makes sense in Godfather land, but to those who use logic and reason...
Godfatherland....I like that LOL ! but really, logic and reason are easly masked by decete these days (decete ?...no spelling jokes please LOL !!)
Godfather.
Haha..could you image that land?? It cracked me up!
I'm a Canadian and a few days ago... I woke up on the couch- about 130am- to full on porn (penis/vagina) on Movie Central. I was stunned. I quickly shut it off before one of my kids (my son stays up late gaming with his buddies on occasion) might venture into the room and think, "Dad. Dad what are you watching?"
I guess what I'm saying is don't fall asleep watching Canadian cable television. Or stay awake when watching Canadian cable television LOL!
Smh. Shame. I thought we were on the same page with violence.
Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Zero guns have decided to fire themselves and kill anyone.
Right now the people in the ghettos who have guns, didn't obtain them legally. If we remove all rights to buy guns, then we have zero chance to defend ourselves against the criminals who obtain them illegally.
Anything else is spin and thinking too much into.
If we all had a pistol on our hip the world would be so much better. I wouldn't get raped if someone knew I had a pistol on my hip. People wouldn't steal if they thought the consequence would be death.
Just my .02. Doubt many will agree here but I refuse to compromise my beliefs.
right...guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people
No.. People kill people.
Yes..with guns..so, the chicken or the egg??
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my suggestions from another thread on how to curtail gun violence and keeping them out of the wrong hands: every weapon bought has to be registered with the state and federal government. Before owning a gun you must take a firearm safety course. Before owning a gun you must pass a background check. Before owning a gun you must pass a mental health background check. Before owning your first gun your employer should be contacted to make sure there are no problems. Penalties for straw purchases and selling guns illegally should be enforced and more severe. Educate children (what age I don't know) on what a firearm is, what it can do, what to do if you find one in you house. Educate on safely storing firearms: pass a law that provides a gun lock with every firearm purchase. Here in nj we have a maximum of 15 rounds for a detachable clip but I don't see why a federal policy of max of 30 rounds isn't reasonable. Don't ban any guns, just make sure people are fit to use them responsibly. to me people don't want background checks because they have something to hide. just my .02.
This sound very reasonable!!
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I'm a Canadian and a few days ago... I woke up on the couch- about 130am- to full on porn (penis/vagina) on Movie Central. I was stunned. I quickly shut it off before one of my kids (my son stays up late gaming with his buddies on occasion) might venture into the room and think, "Dad. Dad what are you watching?"
I guess what I'm saying is don't fall asleep watching Canadian cable television. Or stay awake when watching Canadian cable television LOL!
Please, Pearl Jam, consider a Benaroya Hall vinyl reissue!
I'm a Canadian and a few days ago... I woke up on the couch- about 130am- to full on porn (penis/vagina) on Movie Central. I was stunned. I quickly shut it off before one of my kids (my son stays up late gaming with his buddies on occasion) might venture into the room and think, "Dad. Dad what are you watching?"
I guess what I'm saying is don't fall asleep watching Canadian cable television. Or stay awake when watching Canadian cable television LOL!
Hmmm. Looks like I need to see if Movie Central is part of my cable package!
my suggestions from another thread on how to curtail gun violence and keeping them out of the wrong hands: every weapon bought has to be registered with the state and federal government. Before owning a gun you must take a firearm safety course. Before owning a gun you must pass a background check. Before owning a gun you must pass a mental health background check. Before owning your first gun your employer should be contacted to make sure there are no problems. Penalties for straw purchases and selling guns illegally should be enforced and more severe. Educate children (what age I don't know) on what a firearm is, what it can do, what to do if you find one in you house. Educate on safely storing firearms: pass a law that provides a gun lock with every firearm purchase. Here in nj we have a maximum of 15 rounds for a detachable clip but I don't see why a federal policy of max of 30 rounds isn't reasonable. Don't ban any guns, just make sure people are fit to use them responsibly. to me people don't want background checks because they have something to hide. just my .02.
There needs to be mandatory training at the very least. When I bought my first handgun, it was like "here ya go!" No instructions on even how to load it.
Luckily for me, I was raised on 80's action movies
Sorry if this has been brought up, but did it seem odd that the lady's fiance and father were being interviewed about 15 hours after the shootings. On top of that they showed little emotion. I know different people grieve differently, but I found that odd.
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Sorry if this has been brought up, but did it seem odd that the lady's fiance and father were being interviewed about 15 hours after the shootings. On top of that they showed little emotion. I know different people grieve differently, but I found that odd.
Well the father obviously wanted to speak out against the gun problem. The rest of them are all members of the news media and I'm sure it kind of like natural instinct for them to speak out. I didn't think that it was weird. The father certainly didn't show little emotion - he sobbed during some of his interviews. The fiance was very calm, but again, he's a member of the media, so was probably just more calm about it that most people would be. He was also probably in shock. Either way, I don't think there is any point in criticizing the victims' loved ones for how they are dealing with the situation. "Odd" behaviour in these circumstance is the norm, and I personally think that they have all dealt with it very well and very appropriately.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
There needs to be mandatory training at the very least. When I bought my first handgun, it was like "here ya go!" No instructions on even how to load it.
Luckily for me, I was raised on 80's action movies
I think the mental health evaluation is by far the most important aspect of avoiding these issues. How many of these shooters would have likely been denied a gun? Adam Lanza got the gun from his mom but if he had to go through one, him for sure. James Holmes, Probably this guy, possibly the Charleston kid...
Then again I am probably giving way to much credit for our health care system to actually make this happen and work.
the only gun problem I can think of is that I can't afford every gun I'd like to have.
Godfather.
Get your head out of the sand. What's more important - your own naive delusions that everything is better with a well-armed population and government-endorsed right to bear arms, or the fact that this graph shows what it does about a population with guns readily available?
You're talking about a provable correlation between number of guns in circulation, and fatality rates in the population. America, by this chart, has around nine times the fatality by firearms rate as the next country.
good grief, who asked me, who was it that said they wanted all guns removed from America ? nobody on the train ever said that........ right ! too many people think they know whats best for America...even non Americans, all this whinny shit about guns is just a joke to read but hay I'm always up for a good laugh, how about this ..lets enforce the death penalty when murder is commited (not self defence) let's not have a death row, let's just get it done with in say 2 weeks of the sentancing...ohhh shit that's just unfair and too violent right ? we don't want any innocent people killed by mistake right ? but we can sure as shit strip good Americans of thier rights to own guns, you guy's have this micro manage idea to save the world that in the end will come back to bite you on the ass, one freedom at a time...and the best part about it is that you guy's will fall for it every time.
I keep hearing a guns main purpose is "for killing" when the truth is, it's for PROTECTION. That's the purpose of a gun. You own a pistol so when some meth head breaks in you have a fighting chance against someone with super human strength.
My mother, 88, had a revolver that has sat in her nightstand the last 50 years. She's never shot anyone, never hurt anyone, and the GUN ITSELF sure as hell never hurt anyone.
I'll say it again, guns don't kill people. People do. When people use guns to kill and go to jail, and then kill again, they aren't using guns. They're using whatever they can because IF SOMEONE WANTS TO KILL, THEY WILL. Regardless of Having a gun or not.
I keep hearing a guns main purpose is "for killing" when the truth is, it's for PROTECTION. That's the purpose of a gun. You own a pistol so when some meth head breaks in you have a fighting chance against someone with super human strength.
My mother, 88, had a revolver that has sat in her nightstand the last 50 years. She's never shot anyone, never hurt anyone, and the GUN ITSELF sure as hell never hurt anyone.
I'll say it again, guns don't kill people. People do. When people use guns to kill and go to jail, and then kill again, they aren't using guns. They're using whatever they can because IF SOMEONE WANTS TO KILL, THEY WILL. Regardless of Having a gun or not.
This mentality is partly responsible for 20 dead kids in Sandy Hook. You and everyone who thinks this way has blood on their hands.
I keep hearing a guns main purpose is "for killing" when the truth is, it's for PROTECTION. That's the purpose of a gun. You own a pistol so when some meth head breaks in you have a fighting chance against someone with super human strength.
My mother, 88, had a revolver that has sat in her nightstand the last 50 years. She's never shot anyone, never hurt anyone, and the GUN ITSELF sure as hell never hurt anyone.
I'll say it again, guns don't kill people. People do. When people use guns to kill and go to jail, and then kill again, they aren't using guns. They're using whatever they can because IF SOMEONE WANTS TO KILL, THEY WILL. Regardless of Having a gun or not.
This mentality is partly responsible for 20 dead kids in Sandy Hook. You and everyone who thinks this way has blood on their hands.
Go fuck your self telling me I have blood on my hands from 20 dead kids. Pathetic asshole
I said guns are for protection, and people kill, not guns. Nothing to say about those thigs that are facts! Instead you spew more uninformed hate. You're pathetic.
How are you going to protect yourself from a meth head break-in as a responsible gun owner? By the time you get the unloaded gun out of the safe, and then go and get the ammo out of a locked drawer, and load it, the meth head has already grabbed you, tied you up, and danced around you naked.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I keep hearing a guns main purpose is "for killing" when the truth is, it's for PROTECTION. That's the purpose of a gun. You own a pistol so when some meth head breaks in you have a fighting chance against someone with super human strength.
My mother, 88, had a revolver that has sat in her nightstand the last 50 years. She's never shot anyone, never hurt anyone, and the GUN ITSELF sure as hell never hurt anyone.
I'll say it again, guns don't kill people. People do. When people use guns to kill and go to jail, and then kill again, they aren't using guns. They're using whatever they can because IF SOMEONE WANTS TO KILL, THEY WILL. Regardless of Having a gun or not.
This mentality is partly responsible for 20 dead kids in Sandy Hook. You and everyone who thinks this way has blood on their hands.
Go fuck your self telling me I have blood on my hands from 20 dead kids. Pathetic asshole
Thought this would get that type of reaction but it's true. People like you are the folks keeping sensible gun control measures from being enacted that would stop situations like that from happening. I don't see any other way to see it.
You, every other gun nut who won't support sensible legislation like some gun owners here support, the NRA and every lobbyist who are keeping these things from happening are part of the reason they keep happening.
How are you going to protect yourself from a meth head break-in as a responsible gun owner? By the time you get the unloaded gun out of the safe, and then go and get the ammo out of a locked drawer, and load it, the meth head has already grabbed you, tied you up, and danced around you naked.
Responsible gun owners keep loaded guns with fingerprint safes. Takes no time to open. Once you hear anything, you grab the gun.
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nobody on the train ever said that........ right ! too many people think they know whats best for America...even non Americans, all this whinny shit about guns is just a joke to read but hay I'm always up for a good laugh, how about this ..lets enforce the death penalty when murder is commited (not self defence) let's not have a death row, let's just get it done with in say 2 weeks of the sentancing...ohhh shit that's just unfair and too violent right ? we don't want any innocent people killed by mistake right ? but we can sure as shit strip good Americans of thier rights to own guns, you guy's have this micro manage idea to save the world that in the end will come back to bite you on the ass, one freedom at a time...and the best part about it is that you guy's will fall for it every time.
Godfather.
If a tool's primary purpose is to kill things, it's inevitable that the successful use of that tool will lead to many intended deaths. It seems absurd to be so opposed to regulating a tool that is fundamentally lethal. If you have a disproportionate number of guns in the hands of your country's people, is it any wonder that there are more gun related deaths in your nation? At this point these murders aren't shocking; they're predictable.
That makes sense in Godfather land, but to those who use logic and reason...
Keep fighting your fight for weapons. Keep clinging to outdated laws. Hopefully enough people in this country will wake the fuck up and realize this is what is bringing us down. And hopefully the legislators in Virginia that were referenced earlier will be voted out.
It's a decent side discussion that's relevant. This gun control debate has been played many times on this forum and to be honest, the hunting angle is a fresh component worthy of probing- especially when deliberating what is and what isn't an appropriate rifle for the average citizen to own.
The beep/bleeping/pixelating shit here is ridiculous.
(decete ?...no spelling jokes please LOL !!)
Godfather.
I've had enough gun discussion..
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I'm a Canadian and a few days ago... I woke up on the couch- about 130am- to full on porn (penis/vagina) on Movie Central. I was stunned. I quickly shut it off before one of my kids (my son stays up late gaming with his buddies on occasion) might venture into the room and think, "Dad. Dad what are you watching?"
I guess what I'm saying is don't fall asleep watching Canadian cable television. Or stay awake when watching Canadian cable television LOL!
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“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
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“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Luckily for me, I was raised on 80's action movies
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Then again I am probably giving way to much credit for our health care system to actually make this happen and work.
My mother, 88, had a revolver that has sat in her nightstand the last 50 years. She's never shot anyone, never hurt anyone, and the GUN ITSELF sure as hell never hurt anyone.
I'll say it again, guns don't kill people. People do. When people use guns to kill and go to jail, and then kill again, they aren't using guns. They're using whatever they can because IF SOMEONE WANTS TO KILL, THEY WILL. Regardless of Having a gun or not.
I said guns are for protection, and people kill, not guns. Nothing to say about those thigs that are facts! Instead you spew more uninformed hate. You're pathetic.
You, every other gun nut who won't support sensible legislation like some gun owners here support, the NRA and every lobbyist who are keeping these things from happening are part of the reason they keep happening.