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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    dignin said:

    This is an interesting read about someone with 11 years experience within the Baltimore PD .

    Under some of your definitions he would be a cop/self hater.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33293421

    Baltimore ex-cop Michael Wood Jr on brutality and racism

    Holy crap that's some scary stuff right there but if America thinks that stuff doesn't happen in other urban cities we are clearly fooling ourselves. I've heard and read some of those stories as I lived in nearby PG County MD. Baltimore was a city I only visited to see The Preakness, Camden Yards for baseball or the Inner Harbour for their famous aquarium.

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    g under p said:

    dignin said:

    This is an interesting read about someone with 11 years experience within the Baltimore PD .

    Under some of your definitions he would be a cop/self hater.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33293421

    Baltimore ex-cop Michael Wood Jr on brutality and racism

    Holy crap that's some scary stuff right there but if America thinks that stuff doesn't happen in other urban cities we are clearly fooling ourselves. I've heard and read some of those stories as I lived in nearby PG County MD. Baltimore was a city I only visited to see The Preakness, Camden Yards for baseball or the Inner Harbour for their famous aquarium.

    Peace


    If I had to guess this kind of behavior isn't limited to just the Baltimore PD. The evidence is mounting, many police forces have an us vs. them mentality.

    We have our very own member on this board in the policing profession that hints at it all the time.
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    dankind said:
    What a meathead bully.

    Guaranteed we will see more of these "isolated incidences" as more citizens get dashboard cameras. I think that is the only way were are going to get rid of these "bad apples".
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    dankind said:
    We had a similar case in Canton, the officer went on paid vacation for close to a year while they arbitrated... In the end they cleared him of wrongdoing because he was too traumatized to correctly perform his job. They promptly put him back in duty.
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    rgambs said:

    dankind said:
    We had a similar case in Canton, the officer went on paid vacation for close to a year while they arbitrated... In the end they cleared him of wrongdoing because he was too traumatized to correctly perform his job. They promptly put him back in duty.
    This dude is definitely a douche bag. I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing.

  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841

    rgambs said:

    dankind said:
    We had a similar case in Canton, the officer went on paid vacation for close to a year while they arbitrated... In the end they cleared him of wrongdoing because he was too traumatized to correctly perform his job. They promptly put him back in duty.
    This dude is definitely a douche bag. I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing.

    I'm confused. The guy who didn't want to get shot by a yelling, belligerent, wifebeater-wearing, pickup-driving, tatted-up random redneck thug is a douchebag?

    And you would also threaten to blow a fucking hole through his head for a harmless traffic violation as soon as you smelled fear?

    I've come to understand from some of your other posts that although you may be a degenerate, you are a compassionate human being. I'm pretty sure I'm misunderstanding you (and perhaps others), but you might want to clarify -- namely, who you're calling a douchebag and what actions you would mimic.

    It's one thing to be pro-cop, which I am, for the most part. (I think that the few rotten apples, one of which is this off-duty blowhard, don't so much spoil the bunch in reality but rather in the public perception and that, again, for the most part, they are outliers.) It's another thing completely to be pro-violence, pro-bully and anti-humanist.
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  • dankind said:

    rgambs said:

    dankind said:
    We had a similar case in Canton, the officer went on paid vacation for close to a year while they arbitrated... In the end they cleared him of wrongdoing because he was too traumatized to correctly perform his job. They promptly put him back in duty.
    This dude is definitely a douche bag. I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing.

    I'm confused. The guy who didn't want to get shot by a yelling, belligerent, wifebeater-wearing, pickup-driving, tatted-up random redneck thug is a douchebag?

    And you would also threaten to blow a fucking hole through his head for a harmless traffic violation as soon as you smelled fear?

    I've come to understand from some of your other posts that although you may be a degenerate, you are a compassionate human being. I'm pretty sure I'm misunderstanding you (and perhaps others), but you might want to clarify -- namely, who you're calling a douchebag and what actions you would mimic.

    It's one thing to be pro-cop, which I am, for the most part. (I think that the few rotten apples, one of which is this off-duty blowhard, don't so much spoil the bunch in reality but rather in the public perception and that, again, for the most part, they are outliers.) It's another thing completely to be pro-violence, pro-bully and anti-humanist.
    That's quite the statement.

    I haven't even read the story, but I'm not really okay with this approach to expressing a different opinion.
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841

    dankind said:

    rgambs said:

    dankind said:
    We had a similar case in Canton, the officer went on paid vacation for close to a year while they arbitrated... In the end they cleared him of wrongdoing because he was too traumatized to correctly perform his job. They promptly put him back in duty.
    This dude is definitely a douche bag. I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing.

    I'm confused. The guy who didn't want to get shot by a yelling, belligerent, wifebeater-wearing, pickup-driving, tatted-up random redneck thug is a douchebag?

    And you would also threaten to blow a fucking hole through his head for a harmless traffic violation as soon as you smelled fear?

    I've come to understand from some of your other posts that although you may be a degenerate, you are a compassionate human being. I'm pretty sure I'm misunderstanding you (and perhaps others), but you might want to clarify -- namely, who you're calling a douchebag and what actions you would mimic.

    It's one thing to be pro-cop, which I am, for the most part. (I think that the few rotten apples, one of which is this off-duty blowhard, don't so much spoil the bunch in reality but rather in the public perception and that, again, for the most part, they are outliers.) It's another thing completely to be pro-violence, pro-bully and anti-humanist.
    That's quite the statement.

    I haven't even read the story, but I'm not really okay with this approach to expressing a different opinion.
    It's a joke from AET, to where I'll return.
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  • WhatYouTaughtMe
    WhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    edited July 2015

    dankind said:

    rgambs said:

    dankind said:
    We had a similar case in Canton, the officer went on paid vacation for close to a year while they arbitrated... In the end they cleared him of wrongdoing because he was too traumatized to correctly perform his job. They promptly put him back in duty.
    This dude is definitely a douche bag. I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing.

    I'm confused. The guy who didn't want to get shot by a yelling, belligerent, wifebeater-wearing, pickup-driving, tatted-up random redneck thug is a douchebag?

    And you would also threaten to blow a fucking hole through his head for a harmless traffic violation as soon as you smelled fear?

    I've come to understand from some of your other posts that although you may be a degenerate, you are a compassionate human being. I'm pretty sure I'm misunderstanding you (and perhaps others), but you might want to clarify -- namely, who you're calling a douchebag and what actions you would mimic.

    It's one thing to be pro-cop, which I am, for the most part. (I think that the few rotten apples, one of which is this off-duty blowhard, don't so much spoil the bunch in reality but rather in the public perception and that, again, for the most part, they are outliers.) It's another thing completely to be pro-violence, pro-bully and anti-humanist.
    That's quite the statement.

    I haven't even read the story, but I'm not really okay with this approach to expressing a different opinion.
    I am sure it was a light hearted reference to the many degenerate threads he takes part in. That being said, you can't be siding with this off duty officer on this one Scott? Can you? I'm hoping his statement is being misinterpreted.
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  • dankind said:

    dankind said:

    rgambs said:

    dankind said:
    We had a similar case in Canton, the officer went on paid vacation for close to a year while they arbitrated... In the end they cleared him of wrongdoing because he was too traumatized to correctly perform his job. They promptly put him back in duty.
    This dude is definitely a douche bag. I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing.

    I'm confused. The guy who didn't want to get shot by a yelling, belligerent, wifebeater-wearing, pickup-driving, tatted-up random redneck thug is a douchebag?

    And you would also threaten to blow a fucking hole through his head for a harmless traffic violation as soon as you smelled fear?

    I've come to understand from some of your other posts that although you may be a degenerate, you are a compassionate human being. I'm pretty sure I'm misunderstanding you (and perhaps others), but you might want to clarify -- namely, who you're calling a douchebag and what actions you would mimic.

    It's one thing to be pro-cop, which I am, for the most part. (I think that the few rotten apples, one of which is this off-duty blowhard, don't so much spoil the bunch in reality but rather in the public perception and that, again, for the most part, they are outliers.) It's another thing completely to be pro-violence, pro-bully and anti-humanist.
    That's quite the statement.

    I haven't even read the story, but I'm not really okay with this approach to expressing a different opinion.
    It's a joke from AET, to where I'll return.
    No.

    I just needed clarification- I'm not on the inside here (I had no idea).

    All good, man.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576

    rgambs said:

    dankind said:
    We had a similar case in Canton, the officer went on paid vacation for close to a year while they arbitrated... In the end they cleared him of wrongdoing because he was too traumatized to correctly perform his job. They promptly put him back in duty.
    This dude is definitely a douche bag. I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing.

    Yeah I am confused on who is the douche and what action might you take. Care to clarify?
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576

    rgambs said:

    dankind said:
    We had a similar case in Canton, the officer went on paid vacation for close to a year while they arbitrated... In the end they cleared him of wrongdoing because he was too traumatized to correctly perform his job. They promptly put him back in duty.
    This dude is definitely a douche bag. I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing.

    Yeah I am confused on who is the douche and what action might you take. Care to clarify?
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    dankind said:

    rgambs said:

    dankind said:
    We had a similar case in Canton, the officer went on paid vacation for close to a year while they arbitrated... In the end they cleared him of wrongdoing because he was too traumatized to correctly perform his job. They promptly put him back in duty.
    This dude is definitely a douche bag. I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing.

    I'm confused. The guy who didn't want to get shot by a yelling, belligerent, wifebeater-wearing, pickup-driving, tatted-up random redneck thug is a douchebag?

    And you would also threaten to blow a fucking hole through his head for a harmless traffic violation as soon as you smelled fear?

    I've come to understand from some of your other posts that although you may be a degenerate, you are a compassionate human being. I'm pretty sure I'm misunderstanding you (and perhaps others), but you might want to clarify -- namely, who you're calling a douchebag and what actions you would mimic.

    It's one thing to be pro-cop, which I am, for the most part. (I think that the few rotten apples, one of which is this off-duty blowhard, don't so much spoil the bunch in reality but rather in the public perception and that, again, for the most part, they are outliers.) It's another thing completely to be pro-violence, pro-bully and anti-humanist.
    Ummm, no. I meant the cop was a douche bag. And if I was the guy in the car, I can't say I wouldn't have done the same thing. Poor sentence on my part.
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841

    dankind said:

    rgambs said:

    dankind said:
    We had a similar case in Canton, the officer went on paid vacation for close to a year while they arbitrated... In the end they cleared him of wrongdoing because he was too traumatized to correctly perform his job. They promptly put him back in duty.
    This dude is definitely a douche bag. I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing.

    I'm confused. The guy who didn't want to get shot by a yelling, belligerent, wifebeater-wearing, pickup-driving, tatted-up random redneck thug is a douchebag?

    And you would also threaten to blow a fucking hole through his head for a harmless traffic violation as soon as you smelled fear?

    I've come to understand from some of your other posts that although you may be a degenerate, you are a compassionate human being. I'm pretty sure I'm misunderstanding you (and perhaps others), but you might want to clarify -- namely, who you're calling a douchebag and what actions you would mimic.

    It's one thing to be pro-cop, which I am, for the most part. (I think that the few rotten apples, one of which is this off-duty blowhard, don't so much spoil the bunch in reality but rather in the public perception and that, again, for the most part, they are outliers.) It's another thing completely to be pro-violence, pro-bully and anti-humanist.
    Ummm, no. I meant the cop was a douche bag. And if I was the guy in the car, I can't say I wouldn't have done the same thing. Poor sentence on my part.
    That's what I figured. Thanks for clarifying. I didn't want anyone getting the wrong idea about your stance on this one. I'm an editor by trade, so making sure that folks are not misunderstood is my job.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    http://www.nj.com/sussex-county/index.ssf/2015/07/teen_off-duty_trooper_fired_at_us_but_we_were_trea.html


    The state attorney general's office says its preliminary investigation has found an off-duty state trooper fired three shots from his personal gun as three teens fled his street in a car early Sunday morning — an account that's largely consistent with what one of the teens has told NJ Advance Media.

    But not entirely consistent.

    Both say the teens knocked on the trooper's Whispering Woods Lane door late at night after mistaking his home for a friend's. Both say the trooper came downstairs with a gun — the AG's office says it was his personal handgun. What the AG's office describes as a "verbal exchange through the door," teen Jesse Barkhorn, 18, describes as yelling and cursing by the trooper.

    And both say that as the teens got in their car and fled, the trooper entered the street with the gun.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    dignin said:

    http://www.nj.com/sussex-county/index.ssf/2015/07/teen_off-duty_trooper_fired_at_us_but_we_were_trea.html


    The state attorney general's office says its preliminary investigation has found an off-duty state trooper fired three shots from his personal gun as three teens fled his street in a car early Sunday morning — an account that's largely consistent with what one of the teens has told NJ Advance Media.

    But not entirely consistent.

    Both say the teens knocked on the trooper's Whispering Woods Lane door late at night after mistaking his home for a friend's. Both say the trooper came downstairs with a gun — the AG's office says it was his personal handgun. What the AG's office describes as a "verbal exchange through the door," teen Jesse Barkhorn, 18, describes as yelling and cursing by the trooper.

    And both say that as the teens got in their car and fled, the trooper entered the street with the gun.

    Is this relevant here since the cop was off duty, at home, with his personal weapon? Is this really police abuse?
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited July 2015

    dignin said:

    http://www.nj.com/sussex-county/index.ssf/2015/07/teen_off-duty_trooper_fired_at_us_but_we_were_trea.html


    The state attorney general's office says its preliminary investigation has found an off-duty state trooper fired three shots from his personal gun as three teens fled his street in a car early Sunday morning — an account that's largely consistent with what one of the teens has told NJ Advance Media.

    But not entirely consistent.

    Both say the teens knocked on the trooper's Whispering Woods Lane door late at night after mistaking his home for a friend's. Both say the trooper came downstairs with a gun — the AG's office says it was his personal handgun. What the AG's office describes as a "verbal exchange through the door," teen Jesse Barkhorn, 18, describes as yelling and cursing by the trooper.

    And both say that as the teens got in their car and fled, the trooper entered the street with the gun.

    Is this relevant here since the cop was off duty, at home, with his personal weapon? Is this really police abuse?
    It is not police abuse, but It is relevant. A large part of the broad police abuse allegations focus on the underlying character of the people who are hired as a police officers. Above average domestic abuse rates and cases like this lens credence to the popular notion that the profession draws people with aggression issues.
    There is also the question of whether this will be investigated and judiciated fairly.
    Post edited by rgambs on
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    rgambs said:

    dignin said:

    http://www.nj.com/sussex-county/index.ssf/2015/07/teen_off-duty_trooper_fired_at_us_but_we_were_trea.html


    The state attorney general's office says its preliminary investigation has found an off-duty state trooper fired three shots from his personal gun as three teens fled his street in a car early Sunday morning — an account that's largely consistent with what one of the teens has told NJ Advance Media.

    But not entirely consistent.

    Both say the teens knocked on the trooper's Whispering Woods Lane door late at night after mistaking his home for a friend's. Both say the trooper came downstairs with a gun — the AG's office says it was his personal handgun. What the AG's office describes as a "verbal exchange through the door," teen Jesse Barkhorn, 18, describes as yelling and cursing by the trooper.

    And both say that as the teens got in their car and fled, the trooper entered the street with the gun.

    Is this relevant here since the cop was off duty, at home, with his personal weapon? Is this really police abuse?
    It is not police abuse, but It is relevant. A large part of the broad police abuse allegations focus on the underlying character of the people who are hired as a police officers. Above average domestic abuse rates and cases like this lens credence to the popular notion that the profession draws people with aggression issues.
    There is also the question of whether this will be investigated and judiciated fairly.
    Police have above average domestic abuse rates? This sounds like something that could happen to any gun toting, trigger happy person ready to "defend" themselves in their home. Cop or not.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576

    rgambs said:

    dignin said:

    http://www.nj.com/sussex-county/index.ssf/2015/07/teen_off-duty_trooper_fired_at_us_but_we_were_trea.html


    The state attorney general's office says its preliminary investigation has found an off-duty state trooper fired three shots from his personal gun as three teens fled his street in a car early Sunday morning — an account that's largely consistent with what one of the teens has told NJ Advance Media.

    But not entirely consistent.

    Both say the teens knocked on the trooper's Whispering Woods Lane door late at night after mistaking his home for a friend's. Both say the trooper came downstairs with a gun — the AG's office says it was his personal handgun. What the AG's office describes as a "verbal exchange through the door," teen Jesse Barkhorn, 18, describes as yelling and cursing by the trooper.

    And both say that as the teens got in their car and fled, the trooper entered the street with the gun.

    Is this relevant here since the cop was off duty, at home, with his personal weapon? Is this really police abuse?
    It is not police abuse, but It is relevant. A large part of the broad police abuse allegations focus on the underlying character of the people who are hired as a police officers. Above average domestic abuse rates and cases like this lens credence to the popular notion that the profession draws people with aggression issues.
    There is also the question of whether this will be investigated and judiciated fairly.
    Police have above average domestic abuse rates? This sounds like something that could happen to any gun toting, trigger happy person ready to "defend" themselves in their home. Cop or not.
    Yeah, I have seen stats that report at double the national rate.
    Absolutely agree with the rest!
    That's where the issue of the profession drawing these sorts of people comes into play.
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