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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    well, since the cops aren't doing their job there anymore, someone has to do the murderin', right?

    This is a really strong point.
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    And some wonder why they rioted in Baltimore?

    http://harpers.org/archive/2015/07/bleakness-stakes/

    So you're excusing the riots now?
  • pjhawks
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    JimmyV said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/13/us/after-freddie-gray-death-west-baltimores-police-presence-drops-and-murders-soar.html


    55 murders since May 1st, 13 in the first 11 days of June alone, and the police are surrounded by cell phone cameras at every turn.

    Months after the media was criticized for its coverage of the burning CVS, the drug trade in Baltimore is overstocked from the looting of pharmacies. Seems like it might have been newsworthy.
    yup and those folks want those cops back and kicking ass now don't they? be careful what you wish for sometimes.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    If you can't see the underlying cause of the riots, there's no point in discussing the topic. The kid dying on the bumpy ride was just the spark. Are you excusing the police's 5 year, ongoing violations of civil rights?

    The cops that aren't doing their jobs should be fired. Where else can you not do your job and remain in it?
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  • Last-12-Exit
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    If you can't see the underlying cause of the riots, there's no point in discussing the topic. The kid dying on the bumpy ride was just the spark. Are you excusing the police's 5 year, ongoing violations of civil rights?

    The cops that aren't doing their jobs should be fired. Where else can you not do your job and remain in it?

    Underlying cause? Again, excusing the riots. Blaming someone else for your decisions. There were peaceful protests going on in baltimore. It shouldn't have gotten violent. They have nobody to blame but themselves.
  • Jason P
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    gimmesometruth27 said:

    well, since the cops aren't doing their job there anymore, someone has to do the murderin', right?

    And cousin, business is a-boomin'
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Last-12-Exit said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    If you can't see the underlying cause of the riots, there's no point in discussing the topic. The kid dying on the bumpy ride was just the spark. Are you excusing the police's 5 year, ongoing violations of civil rights?

    The cops that aren't doing their jobs should be fired. Where else can you not do your job and remain in it?

    Underlying cause? Again, excusing the riots. Blaming someone else for your decisions. There were peaceful protests going on in baltimore. It shouldn't have gotten violent. They have nobody to blame but themselves.
    Unbelievable. You absolve the Baltimore police department of any responsibility for what's happened and is happening in Baltimore? They bear zero responsibility? Wow, just fucking wow.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,604
    edited June 2015
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    If you can't see the underlying cause of the riots, there's no point in discussing the topic. The kid dying on the bumpy ride was just the spark. Are you excusing the police's 5 year, ongoing violations of civil rights?

    The cops that aren't doing their jobs should be fired. Where else can you not do your job and remain in it?

    Underlying cause? Again, excusing the riots. Blaming someone else for your decisions. There were peaceful protests going on in baltimore. It shouldn't have gotten violent. They have nobody to blame but themselves.
    Unbelievable. You absolve the Baltimore police department of any responsibility for what's happened and is happening in Baltimore? They bear zero responsibility? Wow, just fucking wow.
    The Baltimore police are not the "underlying cause" of the riots in Baltimore. Rejecting that notion does not equal absolving them of any responsibility.

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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    If you can't see the underlying cause of the riots, there's no point in discussing the topic. The kid dying on the bumpy ride was just the spark. Are you excusing the police's 5 year, ongoing violations of civil rights?

    The cops that aren't doing their jobs should be fired. Where else can you not do your job and remain in it?

    Underlying cause? Again, excusing the riots. Blaming someone else for your decisions. There were peaceful protests going on in baltimore. It shouldn't have gotten violent. They have nobody to blame but themselves.
    Unbelievable. You absolve the Baltimore police department of any responsibility for what's happened and is happening in Baltimore? They bear zero responsibility? Wow, just fucking wow.
    Funny, you're completely excusing the thugs of baltimore that started the riots.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,599
    edited June 2015
    And you're completely dismissing the thugs in Blue as an excuse for the riots. Guess we're even.
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  • Last-12-Exit
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    And you're completely dismissing the thugs in Blue as an excuse for the riots. Guess we're even.

    Not even at all really. You're still blaming someone else for the actions of others.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Visualize clip of cats playing and watching ping pong.

    Feel there is blame on both sides. So what are solutions?

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Last-12-Exit said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    And you're completely dismissing the thugs in Blue as an excuse for the riots. Guess we're even.

    Not even at all really. You're still blaming someone else for the actions of others.
    You live in a very black and white world. No nuance, little intellectual curiosity.

    You're wasting your time Halifax.
  • Cliffy6745
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    callen said:

    Visualize clip of cats playing and watching ping pong.

    Feel there is blame on both sides. So what are solutions?

    Don't police departments that involve the community and clergy do best? Haven't we seen that in LA and other departments after major breakdowns of trust?

    Rather than packing up and leaving, working together seems to be the best solution. Protect and serve, not pack up and leave, right?

    There are plenty of people in that community who want the cops and I am sure there are plenty of cops who want to help.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,604
    dignin said:



    Last-12-Exit said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    And you're completely dismissing the thugs in Blue as an excuse for the riots. Guess we're even.

    Not even at all really. You're still blaming someone else for the actions of others.
    You live in a very black and white world. No nuance, little intellectual curiosity.

    You're wasting your time Halifax.
    Pointing at the police as being the underlying cause of the situation in Baltimore is very black and white. It is also absolutely incorrect.

    POVERTY, not police, is the underlying cause of the riots, of the drug trade, of the conflict with police. When we eliminate poverty we will eliminate the problems that plague Baltimore today.

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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Halifax2TheMax said:


    The cops that aren't doing their jobs should be fired. Where else can you not do your job and remain in it?

    Congress. Most government jobs. Many union jobs.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Digin, felt same way about your position on pool party. I've been strong proponent for holding police accountable for their actions and floors me some aren't punished. I do though see their side and how the police are left cleaning up societies dirt. Guns, economic disparity, dealing with the shit of society.

    We need solutions versus finger pointing.

    Think advent of everyone having a camera is great and is making a difference. We though can't curtail police to protect yhe
    Cliffy6745 said:

    callen said:

    Visualize clip of cats playing and watching ping pong.

    Feel there is blame on both sides. So what are solutions?

    Don't police departments that involve the community and clergy do best? Haven't we seen that in LA and other departments after major breakdowns of trust?

    Rather than packing up and leaving, working together seems to be the best solution. Protect and serve, not pack up and leave, right?

    There are plenty of people in that community who want the cops and I am sure there are plenty of cops who want to help.
    Agree.

    Works both ways but yes this is a solution.

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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    jeffbr said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:


    The cops that aren't doing their jobs should be fired. Where else can you not do your job and remain in it?

    Congress. Most government jobs. Many union jobs.
    Touché. Ha.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Cliffy6745 said:

    callen said:

    Visualize clip of cats playing and watching ping pong.

    Feel there is blame on both sides. So what are solutions?

    Don't police departments that involve the community and clergy do best? Haven't we seen that in LA and other departments after major breakdowns of trust?

    Rather than packing up and leaving, working together seems to be the best solution. Protect and serve, not pack up and leave, right?

    There are plenty of people in that community who want the cops and I am sure there are plenty of cops who want to help.
    Yeah, this schoolboy "I'm going home and I'm taking my ball with me" is not very mature. They are folding their arms and pouting to prove a point (which is indeed being proven) and lives are being lost.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited June 2015
    Gambs they are demoralized and I'm willing to bet feel as though they are the scapegoats. And they are.

    Whole situation reminds me of the parent blaming the teachers for the failing of their kids.
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