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I know man! like i said....a generalized rant. Maybe a little ironic considering it was a rant against generalizations regarding our uniformed friends....?dignin said:Great posts Drowned. But just because I'm interested in this story of abuse, doesn't mean I am (or others for that matter) are ignoring any other events going on in the world.
Edit: you're prob talking more about my first post than the rant...in that post I mentioned my belief that those questioning authority are generally more informed about current events...so you're all good in my books! Just trying to get people to think a bit about what they're being fed and why, as opposed to the story itself.
Just heard a quote today, believe it's from Eleanor Roosevelt....something like: Intellectuals talk about ideas. Average people talk about events. Stupid people talk about people.
There are ideas to discuss related to this event...but I think this particular story, and the people involved in it, degrade discussion of the ideas by being a poor precursor to, or example of, the ideas....if that makes any sense? Had the quote thrown at me after mildly trash talking someone; im as stupid as the next guy...so I'll get off my high horse now
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Important work being done here on this issue.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database
Crowd sourced effort to track and document everyone killed by the police in the US. To this point there has never been an accurate compilation of these incidents. For example, the official FBI statistics for last year claim that 461 people died as a result of police actions. Today, just over the halfway point of the year, we hit 500.
The only way we will get accurate numbers is if we do it ourselves. Most of these cases are only reported locally. If you see something in your local area, shoot a link to the article or a summation of any info you have to them. Tips can be sent using various forms of social media or email.0 -
Sorry to derail this thread even more, but it was the "mobile sales workers" I was thinking of. Like many things in life, that may be more due to my ignorance of what that means. They've broken out truck drivers, so it doesn't seem to mean delivery people. Is this people driving around selling stuff? If so, I would contend we could probably do without some portion of them, since our roads are choked, our air quality is poor, and we are already drowning in stuff.Drowned Out said:
I'm curious which you think aren't important to society?
I don't think there is any career on that list that could be eliminated without a complete overhaul of society - including firefighters and cops (not that an overhaul would be a bad thing - I'm talking status quo).my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
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Hey man, I'm with you 100% and you make perfect sense. And I like that quote,Drowned Out said:
I know man! like i said....a generalized rant. Maybe a little ironic considering it was a rant against generalizations regarding our uniformed friends....?
Edit: you're prob talking more about my first post than the rant...in that post I mentioned my belief that those questioning authority are generally more informed about current events...so you're all good in my books! Just trying to get people to think a bit about what they're being fed and why, as opposed to the story itself.
Just heard a quote today, believe it's from Eleanor Roosevelt....something like: Intellectuals talk about ideas. Average people talk about events. Stupid people talk about people.
There are ideas to discuss related to this event...but I think this particular story, and the people involved in it, degrade discussion of the ideas by being a poor precursor to, or example of, the ideas....if that makes any sense? Had the quote thrown at me after mildly trash talking someone; im as stupid as the next guy...so I'll get off my high horse now
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cwja said:
Important work being done here on this issue.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database
Crowd sourced effort to track and document everyone killed by the police in the US. To this point there has never been an accurate compilation of these incidents. For example, the official FBI statistics for last year claim that 461 people died as a result of police actions. Today, just over the halfway point of the year, we hit 500.
The only way we will get accurate numbers is if we do it ourselves. Most of these cases are only reported locally. If you see something in your local area, shoot a link to the article or a summation of any info you have to them. Tips can be sent using various forms of social media or email.
Thanks for bringing this up. I heard an interview with the creator of this project a few months back on CBC Radio. Very interesting and important work.0 -
1. Let's not pretend that every one of these killings is a reflection of shoddy police work. Much of this reflects solid police work- don't forget the work they do.cwja said:Important work being done here on this issue.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database
Crowd sourced effort to track and document everyone killed by the police in the US. To this point there has never been an accurate compilation of these incidents. For example, the official FBI statistics for last year claim that 461 people died as a result of police actions. Today, just over the halfway point of the year, we hit 500.
The only way we will get accurate numbers is if we do it ourselves. Most of these cases are only reported locally. If you see something in your local area, shoot a link to the article or a summation of any info you have to them. Tips can be sent using various forms of social media or email.
2. The demographics are interesting. According to The Guardian... of the 500 people killed in the US:
248 are white (63% of the population)
141 are black (12%)
74 are Hispanic/Latino (16%)
23 are other/unknown
10 are Asian/Pacific Islander (5%)
4 are Native American (0.7%)
* Population percentages source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
Proportionate to the population... with 500 deaths, the number of deaths for each category should look as follows:
Whites 315 (248 actual)
Blacks 60 (141 actual)
Hispanic/Latino 80 (74 actual)
Asian/Pacific Islander 25 (10 actual)
Native American 3.5 (4 actual)
Without question, the black population is the most disproportionately killed compared to other demographic groups. As disproportionate as it is... I thought the level of discrimination was much higher.
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Are there any cops on the forums who can actually give us some insight. The resident Walker, Texas Ranger just doesn't cut for me as a representative for our men in blue.0
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Yes, the vast majority of them are the result of the police doing their job properly, but, until now, there has never been an accurate compilation of even those numbers. While not telling us the whole story, numbers can point us in the direction of things that need closer examination.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
1. Let's not pretend that every one of these killings is a reflection of shoddy police work. Much of this reflects solid police work- don't forget the work they do.
2. The demographics are interesting. According to The Guardian... of the 500 people killed in the US:
248 are white (63% of the population)
141 are black (12%)
74 are Hispanic/Latino (16%)
23 are other/unknown
10 are Asian/Pacific Islander (5%)
4 are Native American (0.7%)
* Population percentages source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
Proportionate to the population... with 500 deaths, the number of deaths for each category should look as follows:
Whites 315 (248 actual)
Blacks 60 (141 actual)
Hispanic/Latino 80 (74 actual)
Asian/Pacific Islander 25 (10 actual)
Native American 3.5 (4 actual)
Without question, the black population is the most disproportionately killed compared to other demographic groups. As disproportionate as it is... I thought the level of discrimination was much higher.
1/5 of them were unarmed and minorities make up almost 2/3 of those. Some states, like OK, seem to have a much higher rate than their population and crime rates suggest should be expected. The US far outpaces other similar countries in these types of deaths.
These are just some of the trends that become evident when you examine the data. Are they anomalies reflective of a relatively small sample size or an accurate representation of what is happening? More data can lead to a more accurate indication of what issues there are and what solutions we can implement.
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Sorry but you might not be able to read the compilation without a paid subscription. If I can cut and paste it later, I will.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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No money, no read!Halifax2TheMax said:Sorry but you might not be able to read the compilation without a paid subscription. If I can cut and paste it later, I will.
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Baltimore has paid six million dollars since 2011 to settle police brutality claims. Most that we're listed in the summary compilation were $100K or below, which leads to the question of how many in total does the $6MM represent? The descriptions of what transpired between the cops and innocent citizens are outrageous. If I can cut and past, I will. Can't do it on my tablet. Maybe I can link to the original article in the Baltimore Sun as that is where the descriptions originally came from.
This link contains the original article the previous link in Harper's credited.
http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police-settlements/Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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oops, more than a few bad apples here.
SANTA ANA OFFICERS CAUGHT ON CAMERA EATING EDIBLES, JOKING ABOUT KICKING AMPUTEE IN 'NUB', ATTORNEY SAYS
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So obviously the police have their supporters, although some of them, like this teacher, are probably not doing the cause any favours.
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/11/im_almost_to_the_point_of_wanting_them_all_segregated_texas_teacher_pens_breathtakingly_racist_mckinney_post/my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
It doesn't surprise me that a Texas school board didn't take action on this...I sure wouldn't want this lady teaching my kids!oftenreading said:So obviously the police have their supporters, although some of them, like this teacher, are probably not doing the cause any favours.
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/11/im_almost_to_the_point_of_wanting_them_all_segregated_texas_teacher_pens_breathtakingly_racist_mckinney_post/Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Cliffy6745 said:
55 murders since May 1st, 13 in the first 11 days of June alone, and the police are surrounded by cell phone cameras at every turn.
Months after the media was criticized for its coverage of the burning CVS, the drug trade in Baltimore is overstocked from the looting of pharmacies. Seems like it might have been newsworthy.
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well, since the cops aren't doing their job there anymore, someone has to do the murderin', right?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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