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Last-12-Exit · April 2015

callen said:

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backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.
If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.
Last 12 it's not an excuse. What they are doing sucks big time. No doubt. They are indeed hurting themselves. Not smart.

Yet I say again and sure again be criticized but being a young black male in this country sucks. Sucks hard and they see what happens on the news. They get stopped by the police. They encounter racists whites. They had shit schools. They are releasing this anger and don't care about CVS. THEY RELISH JUMPING ON POLICE CARS. HELL I've wanted to jump on and turn over cop car after certain encounters. So no it's not excusable but I understand why it happens. Watching it.

Everyone is the product of their environment. Why I posted my initial stroking post to attempt to show that we do have it good and to just point our finger and say they suck does nothing but make ones self feel better. Can we change the environment?

I will never pretend to know what it is like being a black. But I get it. I really do. Im honestly thankful I was born a white male. I would never want to experience what the black race has experienced in any time in American history.But this is still about choice. Just because we get pissed about something, even as a race, we can't resort to a mob mentality. You can be all the pissed off you want but you can't burn buildings down because of it.

I feel for the victims family. It's sad that they begged for peace and these boneheads still resorted to this. Who exactly are they standing up for when the gray family didn't want this. Ferguson was different in that Michael Brown's family was looking for riots. These people weren't.

rr165892 · April 2015

backseatLover12 said:

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Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.
If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.
Because that's all you're willing to focus on. "Thug behavior" and not Police behavior.

Again, My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.

BSL,have you ever heard the term"Comply and Complain"?

I don't know where it started,but it basically is saying "Hey,don't run,comply with the officers requests and if anything is not kosher you will still be alive to complain or file a complaint about how you were treated"
I heard this today and I makes all of this seem so simple.All the recent cases of death that have been publicized have had suspects who have resisted or ran.I know the kid in the cop car was a different story,but you get what I'm saying right?

callen · April 2015

josevolution · April 2015

rr165892 said:

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backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.
If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.
Because that's all you're willing to focus on. "Thug behavior" and not Police behavior.

Again, My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
BSL,have you ever heard the term"Comply and Complain"?

I don't know where it started,but it basically is saying "Hey,don't run,comply with the officers requests and if anything is not kosher you will still be alive to complain or file a complaint about how you were treated"
I heard this today and I makes all of this seem so simple.All the recent cases of death that have been publicized have had suspects who have resisted or ran.I know the kid in the cop car was a different story,but you get what I'm saying right?

Well thats good & dandy but its to late for that minorities have lost all trust in the police force , its hard for us the lucky one's to understand this but it's true believe me i work with alot of black folks and they all say the same thing do not trust the police it's gonna take a monumental effort from both parties to come together on this problem in this country .....

rr165892 · April 2015

josevolution said:

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rr165892 said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.
If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.
Because that's all you're willing to focus on. "Thug behavior" and not Police behavior.

Again, My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
BSL,have you ever heard the term"Comply and Complain"?

I don't know where it started,but it basically is saying "Hey,don't run,comply with the officers requests and if anything is not kosher you will still be alive to complain or file a complaint about how you were treated"
I heard this today and I makes all of this seem so simple.All the recent cases of death that have been publicized have had suspects who have resisted or ran.I know the kid in the cop car was a different story,but you get what I'm saying right?
Well thats good & dandy but its to late for that minorities have lost all trust in the police force , its hard for us the lucky one's to understand this but it's true believe me i work with alot of black folks and they all say the same thing do not trust the police it's gonna take a monumental effort from both parties to come together on this problem in this country .....

"Its to late for that"? Are you kidding me Jose? "And All minorities have lost all trust". Please.

I have plenty of minority friends.A lot of them would have liked a fire hose to be directed at the looters yesterday. Because they are not criminals or they don't put themselves in a position to be at the receiving end of that kind of harassment.Are there isolated incidents of rascism? Of course.Are there bad cops yes there is.
But I bet you can't even count the amount of white cops who risk there life every day to save a minority in trouble.Or Black cops saving a white kid.
This new movement throwing the police under the bus because of the actions of a few is assinine.

I saw a plane with a banner flying over a festival this weekend that said "Always film the police"Really wtf is wrong this this?

eeriepadave · April 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAt8tLxZwOI

rgambs · April 2015

rr165892 said:

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backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.
If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.
Because that's all you're willing to focus on. "Thug behavior" and not Police behavior.

Again, My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
BSL,have you ever heard the term"Comply and Complain"?

I don't know where it started,but it basically is saying "Hey,don't run,comply with the officers requests and if anything is not kosher you will still be alive to complain or file a complaint about how you were treated"
I heard this today and I makes all of this seem so simple.All the recent cases of death that have been publicized have had suspects who have resisted or ran.I know the kid in the cop car was a different story,but you get what I'm saying right?

Comply and complain is the same as bend over and enjoy it. Complaints will not be redressed, they likely won't even be acknowledged. Doesn't make resistance any smarter, but there comes a point in a man's life when he stands up to a bully, whether that bully has legal authority or not. Garner reached that point and he died for it.

The American Revolution was an entire war fought over piddly little tax issues, and pretty much everyone thinks it was just and glorious. The colonists didn't endure one tenth of the foul treatment blacks today endure and they went to war. We are lucky they haven't started a true revolution in this country, they have far more cause than the founding fathers which are so adored.

rgambs · April 2015

rr165892 said:

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josevolution said:

rr165892 said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.
If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.
Because that's all you're willing to focus on. "Thug behavior" and not Police behavior.

Again, My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
BSL,have you ever heard the term"Comply and Complain"?

I don't know where it started,but it basically is saying "Hey,don't run,comply with the officers requests and if anything is not kosher you will still be alive to complain or file a complaint about how you were treated"
I heard this today and I makes all of this seem so simple.All the recent cases of death that have been publicized have had suspects who have resisted or ran.I know the kid in the cop car was a different story,but you get what I'm saying right?
Well thats good & dandy but its to late for that minorities have lost all trust in the police force , its hard for us the lucky one's to understand this but it's true believe me i work with alot of black folks and they all say the same thing do not trust the police it's gonna take a monumental effort from both parties to come together on this problem in this country .....
"Its to late for that"? Are you kidding me Jose? "And All minorities have lost all trust". Please.

I have plenty of minority friends.A lot of them would have liked a fire hose to be directed at the looters yesterday. Because they are not criminals or they don't put themselves in a position to be at the receiving end of that kind of harassment.Are there isolated incidents of rascism? Of course.Are there bad cops yes there is.
But I bet you can't even count the amount of white cops who risk there life every day to save a minority in trouble.Or Black cops saving a white kid.
This new movement throwing the police under the bus because of the actions of a few is assinine.

I saw a plane with a banner flying over a festival this weekend that said "Always film the police"Really wtf is wrong this this?

No let's just let them continue to create victims daily with impunity...after all, it's only a few victims in the grand scheme of things, it won't happen to me so what do I care?

Courts are witnessed, most government dealings, legal procedings, major business deals, hell, you can't even buy a $200 jjunkercar without a notary witness...but lets let the folks who carry guns and have authority to kill do their work in the dark. Makes a lot of sense. Not.

Last-12-Exit · April 2015

rgambs said:

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rr165892 said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.
If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.
Because that's all you're willing to focus on. "Thug behavior" and not Police behavior.

Again, My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
BSL,have you ever heard the term"Comply and Complain"?

I don't know where it started,but it basically is saying "Hey,don't run,comply with the officers requests and if anything is not kosher you will still be alive to complain or file a complaint about how you were treated"
I heard this today and I makes all of this seem so simple.All the recent cases of death that have been publicized have had suspects who have resisted or ran.I know the kid in the cop car was a different story,but you get what I'm saying right?
Comply and complain is the same as bend over and enjoy it. Complaints will not be redressed, they likely won't even be acknowledged. Doesn't make resistance any smarter, but there comes a point in a man's life when he stands up to a bully, whether that bully has legal authority or not. Garner reached that point and he died for it.

The American Revolution was an entire war fought over piddly little tax issues, and pretty much everyone thinks it was just and glorious. The colonists didn't endure one tenth of the foul treatment blacks today endure and they went to war. We are lucky they haven't started a true revolution in this country, they have far more cause than the founding fathers which are so adored.

Stand up to a bully? Sorry, but that is horrible advice. No, you don't resist arrest. Period.

And rioting is the worst way possible to "stand up to a bully."

rgambs · April 2015

Last-12-Exit said:

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rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.
If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.
Because that's all you're willing to focus on. "Thug behavior" and not Police behavior.

Again, My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
BSL,have you ever heard the term"Comply and Complain"?

I don't know where it started,but it basically is saying "Hey,don't run,comply with the officers requests and if anything is not kosher you will still be alive to complain or file a complaint about how you were treated"
I heard this today and I makes all of this seem so simple.All the recent cases of death that have been publicized have had suspects who have resisted or ran.I know the kid in the cop car was a different story,but you get what I'm saying right?
Comply and complain is the same as bend over and enjoy it. Complaints will not be redressed, they likely won't even be acknowledged. Doesn't make resistance any smarter, but there comes a point in a man's life when he stands up to a bully, whether that bully has legal authority or not. Garner reached that point and he died for it.

The American Revolution was an entire war fought over piddly little tax issues, and pretty much everyone thinks it was just and glorious. The colonists didn't endure one tenth of the foul treatment blacks today endure and they went to war. We are lucky they haven't started a true revolution in this country, they have far more cause than the founding fathers which are so adored.
Stand up to a bully? Sorry, but that is horrible advice. No, you don't resist arrest. Period.

I didn't say it was smart, in fact I implied it was stupid. Standing up to any bully that you know will beat you every time is stupid, but sometimes a man has to do it anyways, so he can look himself in the mirror and feel like a person.

rr165892 · April 2015

Last-12-Exit said:

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rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.
If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.
Because that's all you're willing to focus on. "Thug behavior" and not Police behavior.

Again, My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
BSL,have you ever heard the term"Comply and Complain"?

I don't know where it started,but it basically is saying "Hey,don't run,comply with the officers requests and if anything is not kosher you will still be alive to complain or file a complaint about how you were treated"
I heard this today and I makes all of this seem so simple.All the recent cases of death that have been publicized have had suspects who have resisted or ran.I know the kid in the cop car was a different story,but you get what I'm saying right?
Comply and complain is the same as bend over and enjoy it. Complaints will not be redressed, they likely won't even be acknowledged. Doesn't make resistance any smarter, but there comes a point in a man's life when he stands up to a bully, whether that bully has legal authority or not. Garner reached that point and he died for it.

The American Revolution was an entire war fought over piddly little tax issues, and pretty much everyone thinks it was just and glorious. The colonists didn't endure one tenth of the foul treatment blacks today endure and they went to war. We are lucky they haven't started a true revolution in this country, they have far more cause than the founding fathers which are so adored.
Stand up to a bully? Sorry, but that is horrible advice. No, you don't resist arrest. Period.

And rioting is the worst way possible to "stand up to a bully."

Exactly.

rgambs · April 2015

I wasn't talking about the rioting, just the compulsion to resist in those who have been systematically bullied by the police. The rioting is just blind anger and mostly oportunistic criminality.

brianlux · April 2015

Last-12-Exit said:

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rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.
If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.
Because that's all you're willing to focus on. "Thug behavior" and not Police behavior.

Again, My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
BSL,have you ever heard the term"Comply and Complain"?

I don't know where it started,but it basically is saying "Hey,don't run,comply with the officers requests and if anything is not kosher you will still be alive to complain or file a complaint about how you were treated"
I heard this today and I makes all of this seem so simple.All the recent cases of death that have been publicized have had suspects who have resisted or ran.I know the kid in the cop car was a different story,but you get what I'm saying right?
Comply and complain is the same as bend over and enjoy it. Complaints will not be redressed, they likely won't even be acknowledged. Doesn't make resistance any smarter, but there comes a point in a man's life when he stands up to a bully, whether that bully has legal authority or not. Garner reached that point and he died for it.

The American Revolution was an entire war fought over piddly little tax issues, and pretty much everyone thinks it was just and glorious. The colonists didn't endure one tenth of the foul treatment blacks today endure and they went to war. We are lucky they haven't started a true revolution in this country, they have far more cause than the founding fathers which are so adored.
Stand up to a bully? Sorry, but that is horrible advice. No, you don't resist arrest. Period.

And rioting is the worst way possible to "stand up to a bully."

It worked for these guys:

rr165892 · April 2015

rgambs said:

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rr165892 said:

josevolution said:

rr165892 said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.
If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.
Because that's all you're willing to focus on. "Thug behavior" and not Police behavior.

Again, My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
BSL,have you ever heard the term"Comply and Complain"?

I don't know where it started,but it basically is saying "Hey,don't run,comply with the officers requests and if anything is not kosher you will still be alive to complain or file a complaint about how you were treated"
I heard this today and I makes all of this seem so simple.All the recent cases of death that have been publicized have had suspects who have resisted or ran.I know the kid in the cop car was a different story,but you get what I'm saying right?
Well thats good & dandy but its to late for that minorities have lost all trust in the police force , its hard for us the lucky one's to understand this but it's true believe me i work with alot of black folks and they all say the same thing do not trust the police it's gonna take a monumental effort from both parties to come together on this problem in this country .....
"Its to late for that"? Are you kidding me Jose? "And All minorities have lost all trust". Please.

I have plenty of minority friends.A lot of them would have liked a fire hose to be directed at the looters yesterday. Because they are not criminals or they don't put themselves in a position to be at the receiving end of that kind of harassment.Are there isolated incidents of rascism? Of course.Are there bad cops yes there is.
But I bet you can't even count the amount of white cops who risk there life every day to save a minority in trouble.Or Black cops saving a white kid.
This new movement throwing the police under the bus because of the actions of a few is assinine.

I saw a plane with a banner flying over a festival this weekend that said "Always film the police"Really wtf is wrong this this?

No let's just let them continue to create victims daily with impunity...after all, it's only a few victims in the grand scheme of things, it won't happen to me so what do I care?

Courts are witnessed, most government dealings, legal procedings, major business deals, hell, you can't even buy a $200 jjunkercar without a notary witness...but lets let the folks who carry guns and have authority to kill do their work in the dark. Makes a lot of sense. Not.

Point being you can't just throw out all the good 99.9 percent of police do for the .01 percent of bad seeds.You know that Gambsy.And if we are keeping it real,almost every case we have debated did indeed have a victim who was breaking the law in one way or another(not the kid in the park).Maybe a good start to creating a more just system should start with not commiting a crime in the first place?Pretty sure that will eliminate a lot of it(not all granted).

Last-12-Exit · April 2015

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I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.
If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.
Because that's all you're willing to focus on. "Thug behavior" and not Police behavior.

Again, My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
BSL,have you ever heard the term"Comply and Complain"?

I don't know where it started,but it basically is saying "Hey,don't run,comply with the officers requests and if anything is not kosher you will still be alive to complain or file a complaint about how you were treated"
I heard this today and I makes all of this seem so simple.All the recent cases of death that have been publicized have had suspects who have resisted or ran.I know the kid in the cop car was a different story,but you get what I'm saying right?
Comply and complain is the same as bend over and enjoy it. Complaints will not be redressed, they likely won't even be acknowledged. Doesn't make resistance any smarter, but there comes a point in a man's life when he stands up to a bully, whether that bully has legal authority or not. Garner reached that point and he died for it.

The American Revolution was an entire war fought over piddly little tax issues, and pretty much everyone thinks it was just and glorious. The colonists didn't endure one tenth of the foul treatment blacks today endure and they went to war. We are lucky they haven't started a true revolution in this country, they have far more cause than the founding fathers which are so adored.
Stand up to a bully? Sorry, but that is horrible advice. No, you don't resist arrest. Period.

And rioting is the worst way possible to "stand up to a bully."
It worked for these guys:

I don't know who those two are, but if you are talking about native Americans as whole, I'd disagree.

rgambs · April 2015

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I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.
If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.
Because that's all you're willing to focus on. "Thug behavior" and not Police behavior.

Again, My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.
BSL,have you ever heard the term"Comply and Complain"?

I don't know where it started,but it basically is saying "Hey,don't run,comply with the officers requests and if anything is not kosher you will still be alive to complain or file a complaint about how you were treated"
I heard this today and I makes all of this seem so simple.All the recent cases of death that have been publicized have had suspects who have resisted or ran.I know the kid in the cop car was a different story,but you get what I'm saying right?
Well thats good & dandy but its to late for that minorities have lost all trust in the police force , its hard for us the lucky one's to understand this but it's true believe me i work with alot of black folks and they all say the same thing do not trust the police it's gonna take a monumental effort from both parties to come together on this problem in this country .....
"Its to late for that"? Are you kidding me Jose? "And All minorities have lost all trust". Please.

I have plenty of minority friends.A lot of them would have liked a fire hose to be directed at the looters yesterday. Because they are not criminals or they don't put themselves in a position to be at the receiving end of that kind of harassment.Are there isolated incidents of rascism? Of course.Are there bad cops yes there is.
But I bet you can't even count the amount of white cops who risk there life every day to save a minority in trouble.Or Black cops saving a white kid.
This new movement throwing the police under the bus because of the actions of a few is assinine.

I saw a plane with a banner flying over a festival this weekend that said "Always film the police"Really wtf is wrong this this?

No let's just let them continue to create victims daily with impunity...after all, it's only a few victims in the grand scheme of things, it won't happen to me so what do I care?

Courts are witnessed, most government dealings, legal procedings, major business deals, hell, you can't even buy a $200 jjunkercar without a notary witness...but lets let the folks who carry guns and have authority to kill do their work in the dark. Makes a lot of sense. Not.
Point being you can't just throw out all the good 99.9 percent of police do for the .01 percent of bad seeds.You know that Gambsy.And if we are keeping it real,almost every case we have debated did indeed have a victim who was breaking the law in one way or another(not the kid in the park).Maybe a good start to creating a more just system should start with not commiting a crime in the first place?Pretty sure that will eliminate a lot of it(not all granted).

It's not throwing out the good, it's holding the bad accountable for their actions. Rioters have personal responsibility to be accountable but police dont?

Rekia Boyd, Tamir Rice, John Crawford. All 3 black people killed by police without a crime committed, without resisting arrest, in the last year or so. Only 1 indictment, no convictions. There are more out there that we haven't heard of, you can be sure of that.

Eric Garner sold self-rolled cigarettes and didn't want to be bullied anymore, killed by cops, no indictment.

brianlux · April 2015

^^^ That's the late Russell Means on the left and Dennis Banks on the right. They were two of the primary founders of the American Indian Movement and though it can be argued that their methods weren't always ideal, what they accomplished in the way improving American Indian autonomy, self respect and an improved lot in life (work still far from complete) was huge. Rather than simply comply with government agencies- including the Bureau of Indian Affairs which was supposed to help Indian people, they made gains through resistance.

I think the same can be said for other groups and that was just one example. Yes, it would be so much easier and far better to see change occur through peaceful demonstration but at some point people are going to say, "Yeah well fine, but when?" Gains in the civil rights movements would not have been as great as they were had it not been for resistance. And it's great that some gains have been made but here we are, dealing with a lot of the same issues.

I'm not saying looting and burning is the answer but if things like racial profiling and police brutality continue, more extreme measure and understandable rage will erupt. Sometime extreme measures will include a mixture of organized resistance and rage. So either change needs to be made through rational choice or through resistance and violence. I prefer the former but completely understand the reason the later happen as well.

dignin · April 2015

JimmyV said:
"When individuals get crowbars and start prying open doors to loot, they're not protesting. They're not making a statement. They're stealing. When they burn down a building, they're committing arson. And they're destroying and undermining businesses and opportunities in their own communities. That robs jobs and opportunity from people in that area." - President Barack Obama

Well said, Mr. President. Well said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/28/politics/obama-baltimore-violent-protests/index.html

Obama also said that "there are some police who aren't doing the right thing," pointing to tensions with law enforcement that have boiled in African-American communities for decades and now seem to burst into public view "it seems like once a week now."

"This is a slow-rolling crisis," Obama said. "This has been going on for a long time. This is not new and we shouldn't pretend it's new."

He said addressing those issues in communities where manufacturing jobs have fallen away and the illicit drug trade has become a key source of income requires major policy shifts, including more funding for education, criminal justice reforms to help nonviolent offenders gain employment and changes in police tactics, such as attaching small video cameras to each officer.

He said achieving those changes would require "that we don't just pay attention to these communities when a CVS burns" — a reference to one of the most prominent scenes from Baltimore on Monday night.

Obama criticized the media's coverage of the riots, saying the violence was a distraction from several days of peaceful protests, which should have received more attention.

"They were constructive and they were thoughtful. And frankly, didn't that much attention," he said of the peaceful protests. "And one burning building will be looped on television over and over and over again, and thousands of demonstrators who did it the right way, I think, have been lost in the discussion."

"I think there are police departments that have to do some soul-searching. I think there are some communities that have to do some soul-searching," Obama said. "But I think we as a country have to do some soul-searching."

JimmyV · April 2015

Obama was pitch-perfect on this.

dignin · April 2015

Fuckin' Obama is such an "apologist". Backing all those rioters. Doesn't he know they are all just criminal thugs?

^^^^Again, sarcasim

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