Baltimore

rgambs

jeffbr said:

rr165892 said:

"Two wrongs don't make a right"
We were all taught that when we were young.
Whatever ground was gained in the peaceful protests was washed away with the human cockroach behavior of some of the lowlife peices of shit that chose to Steal,Burn,and destroy the livelihoodsand dreams of there neighbors.These are criminals,punks and thugs and there is no excuse at all for there behavior.Props to those with the balls to try and protect these dwellings and businesses.

Slashing fire hoses,are you fucking kidding me!

I see the excuse crowd is in full effect again.Justifying the actions of criminals.Typical.
The actions of the police are being investigated.If wrong doing was done then I expect those responsible to pay for their actions as well.To the full extent of the law and if it was a hate crime,throw the book at the dirty fuckers.
It's almost comical that the drugstore and the mall were the two new places built in that area to provide an upswing in the economy and living conditions and services withinn that depressed area.So what do the idiots do Burn em and rob em.Classy,classy stuff.

Well said. It is ridiculous to read that if one is critical of the looters, and scumbags and thieves it is because one isn't properly practicing empathy. I have empathy for the family of the victim. I have no patience or tolerance left for the cops who apparently caused the death of the victim. I also have no patience or tolerance left for the fools who are looting. They aren't protesting against police brutality. They aren't protesting injustice. They are criminals who smelled an opportunity to cause problems, descended on the neighborhood, and started burning and looting. There were interviews with local residents who were upset at these outsiders coming in and destroying their neighborhoods. The family of the victim is outraged by the rioting and looting as well. This situation in Baltimore should not be held up as an example of intelligent, thoughtful people who are seeking change.I know the apologists here like to demonstrate their exceptional empathy by extending it to extreme elements, so that they can point fingers at those of us who don't buy into the charade. Save that empathy for the deserving. And save the self-righteousness. It won't work in this case. This isn't an oppressed population rising up against authority. It is opportunistic criminals vs. society.

Nobody is even coming close to this!

brianlux

JimmyV said:

brianlux said:

I'm just finishing reading Paul Chaat Smith and Robert Allen Warrior's excellent book Like a Hurricane which goes into great detail about the American Indian Uprisings in the 1970's. One of those incidents involved the Indian take over of the BIA building in D.C. During that siege, angry Indians destroyed furniture, some of the Native American artwork and many of the documents contained therein. The authors show why these actions were tragic- the loss of artifacts for historic purposes but even more importantly, the loss of documents needed for some American Indian's to maintain their land. BUT, as tragic as this was (and considering these authors are Indians and understand their subject matter very well) the authors clearly demonstrate that there were reasons for this anger, primarily the continued injustices toward these people and that despite the losses incurred at the time, these actions (and the others that the book covers) raised awareness in a big way- they were a major wake up call and much positive change eventually resulted from them.

We need to stop looking shortsightedly at the kinds of incidents that is happening in Baltimore and learn from it and start enacting changes that will prevent this from happening in the future. As long as police brutality and oppression and racism continue, these tragic incidences (which, if you understand what I am saying, I am not supporting) will continue to reoccur.

I like where you are coming from with this and I appreciate the historical comparison.I think we can draw obvious parallels between the Bureau of Indian Affairs and local police departments, particularly in how they are viewed by and deal with the populations they are intended to "serve".

In Baltimore I can fully understand the protests, and how some of those protests could turn into conflicts with the police. I think where it differs from the example you gave is that while the Native Americans caused damage while occupying the administration building, the looters in Baltimore burned cars and senior centers while stealing alcohol and other goods. They didn't occupy city hall or ransack a police station. They targeted buildings and businesses in their own communities. These incidents aren't fully comparable.

That's very true, JimmyV. What I'm trying to show is that there is a bigger picture here, that it's unresolved problems that lead to frustration and violence. The result of the violence will bring attention to the problems but if we solve the problems first, we can probably eliminate the violence.

Which leads us to...

Wma31394 said:

I wish the cops would start busting heads.. Show that on tv and maybe the thugs will think twice when it happens in the next city..

...and what you will gain here is more frustration, fewer resolutions of problems and more, not less violence. But were you really looking for a realistic solution with that approach or just stirring the shit? I really don't know- not making any accusations but it sure sounds like shit stirring more than solutions.

Jason P

The Onion had an article from a few years back that the Raven's were looking for a safer city to host their Super Bowl parade. That fake article reads like some of the real articles I'm reading today.

Congratulations, citizens of Baltimore.

jeffbr

rgambs said:

jeffbr said:

rr165892 said:

"Two wrongs don't make a right"
We were all taught that when we were young.
Whatever ground was gained in the peaceful protests was washed away with the human cockroach behavior of some of the lowlife peices of shit that chose to Steal,Burn,and destroy the livelihoodsand dreams of there neighbors.These are criminals,punks and thugs and there is no excuse at all for there behavior.Props to those with the balls to try and protect these dwellings and businesses.

Slashing fire hoses,are you fucking kidding me!

I see the excuse crowd is in full effect again.Justifying the actions of criminals.Typical.
The actions of the police are being investigated.If wrong doing was done then I expect those responsible to pay for their actions as well.To the full extent of the law and if it was a hate crime,throw the book at the dirty fuckers.
It's almost comical that the drugstore and the mall were the two new places built in that area to provide an upswing in the economy and living conditions and services withinn that depressed area.So what do the idiots do Burn em and rob em.Classy,classy stuff.

Well said. It is ridiculous to read that if one is critical of the looters, and scumbags and thieves it is because one isn't properly practicing empathy. I have empathy for the family of the victim. I have no patience or tolerance left for the cops who apparently caused the death of the victim. I also have no patience or tolerance left for the fools who are looting. They aren't protesting against police brutality. They aren't protesting injustice. They are criminals who smelled an opportunity to cause problems, descended on the neighborhood, and started burning and looting. There were interviews with local residents who were upset at these outsiders coming in and destroying their neighborhoods. The family of the victim is outraged by the rioting and looting as well. This situation in Baltimore should not be held up as an example of intelligent, thoughtful people who are seeking change.I know the apologists here like to demonstrate their exceptional empathy by extending it to extreme elements, so that they can point fingers at those of us who don't buy into the charade. Save that empathy for the deserving. And save the self-righteousness. It won't work in this case. This isn't an oppressed population rising up against authority. It is opportunistic criminals vs. society.

Nobody is even coming close to this!

You're right, of course. I was using hyperbole. But what we have seen, and not just in this thread, is that when someone condemns the criminal element for looting, burning, and mayhem they are chastised for being unsympathetic, privileged white folk, and the criminals seem to be given a pass because of their social status, race, or neighborhood. It is OK to be disgusted by both the actions of the cops in Gray's case, and the actions of the rioters. Neither should be excused. Both should be condemned. Both are lawless, and anti-social.

InHiding80

callen said:

This thread a perfect example of whites living their lucky ass lives and looking down at the poor and weak and getting the superiority bug.

Again you aren't special. You aren't smarter. Your definitely not more aware or enlightened. Your just lucky.

Rather than looking at things and saying hmmm what the FK and why and how to change things you sit behind your keyboards in your safe little white neighborhoods and stroke yourselves

Think of the human condition along with some history of human behavior, and whites as well, and you will not only understand "Baltimore" but maybe think what we can do as humans to prevent situations such as this.

But alas stroking ones insecurities is easier and I expect from observing human behavior that the stroking and stroking each other will continue. Just get your hanky and windex before hand.

And thanks for proving my point about how going to the left of Chomsky is just as bad. Both you and the Fox News crowd are the same coin of ignorace.

JimmyV

"When individuals get crowbars and start prying open doors to loot, they're not protesting. They're not making a statement. They're stealing. When they burn down a building, they're committing arson. And they're destroying and undermining businesses and opportunities in their own communities. That robs jobs and opportunity from people in that area." - President Barack Obama

Well said, Mr. President. Well said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/28/politics/obama-baltimore-violent-protests/index.html

Jason P

JimmyV said:

"When individuals get crowbars and start prying open doors to loot, they're not protesting. They're not making a statement. They're stealing. When they burn down a building, they're committing arson. And they're destroying and undermining businesses and opportunities in their own communities. That robs jobs and opportunity from people in that area." - President Barack Obama

Well said, Mr. President. Well said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/28/politics/obama-baltimore-violent-protests/index.html

Sounds like Obama has the superiority bug.

aubiejam

Obama and Ray Lewis are "a perfect example of whites living their lucky ass lives and looking down at the poor and weak and getting the superiority bug."

Obama and Lewis "Again you aren't special. You aren't smarter. Your definitely not more aware or enlightened. Your just lucky. Rather than looking at things and saying hmmm what the FK and why and how to change things you sit behind your keyboards in your safe little white neighborhoods and stroke yourselves"

aubiejam

Dirtie_Frank said:

aubiejam said:

Maybe Ray Lewis can make a YouTube video about stopping the violence and it will all go away.

He did:

https://www.facebook.com/officialraylewis/videos/10153320592515701/?fref=nf

It was a joke. Google "Ray Lewis Atlanta Super Bowl."

Wma31394

brianlux said:

JimmyV said:

brianlux said:

I'm just finishing reading Paul Chaat Smith and Robert Allen Warrior's excellent book Like a Hurricane which goes into great detail about the American Indian Uprisings in the 1970's. One of those incidents involved the Indian take over of the BIA building in D.C. During that siege, angry Indians destroyed furniture, some of the Native American artwork and many of the documents contained therein. The authors show why these actions were tragic- the loss of artifacts for historic purposes but even more importantly, the loss of documents needed for some American Indian's to maintain their land. BUT, as tragic as this was (and considering these authors are Indians and understand their subject matter very well) the authors clearly demonstrate that there were reasons for this anger, primarily the continued injustices toward these people and that despite the losses incurred at the time, these actions (and the others that the book covers) raised awareness in a big way- they were a major wake up call and much positive change eventually resulted from them.

We need to stop looking shortsightedly at the kinds of incidents that is happening in Baltimore and learn from it and start enacting changes that will prevent this from happening in the future. As long as police brutality and oppression and racism continue, these tragic incidences (which, if you understand what I am saying, I am not supporting) will continue to reoccur.

I like where you are coming from with this and I appreciate the historical comparison.I think we can draw obvious parallels between the Bureau of Indian Affairs and local police departments, particularly in how they are viewed by and deal with the populations they are intended to "serve".

In Baltimore I can fully understand the protests, and how some of those protests could turn into conflicts with the police. I think where it differs from the example you gave is that while the Native Americans caused damage while occupying the administration building, the looters in Baltimore burned cars and senior centers while stealing alcohol and other goods. They didn't occupy city hall or ransack a police station. They targeted buildings and businesses in their own communities. These incidents aren't fully comparable.

That's very true, JimmyV. What I'm trying to show is that there is a bigger picture here, that it's unresolved problems that lead to frustration and violence. The result of the violence will bring attention to the problems but if we solve the problems first, we can probably eliminate the violence.

Which leads us to...

Wma31394 said:

I wish the cops would start busting heads.. Show that on tv and maybe the thugs will think twice when it happens in the next city..

...and what you will gain here is more frustration, fewer resolutions of problems and more, not less violence. But were you really looking for a realistic solution with that approach or just stirring the shit? I really don't know- not making any accusations but it sure sounds like shit stirring more than solutions.

What I'm saying is..the end result is thugs doing all the rotten things everyone has mentioned and they should be stopped..if it takes extreme force then so be it..if some guy is robbing your house, business, or committing arson to either..shouldnt they be stopped using force if need be??

callen

Being quoted, what an honor.

So glad the pot is stirred.

josevolution

If we are to rise above and b

Wma31394 said:

I wish the cops would start busting heads.. Show that on tv and maybe the thugs will think twice when it happens in the next city..

Wrong that Won't help anything ....

callen

InHiding80 said:

callen said:

This thread a perfect example of whites living their lucky ass lives and looking down at the poor and weak and getting the superiority bug.

Again you aren't special. You aren't smarter. Your definitely not more aware or enlightened. Your just lucky.

Rather than looking at things and saying hmmm what the FK and why and how to change things you sit behind your keyboards in your safe little white neighborhoods and stroke yourselves

Think of the human condition along with some history of human behavior, and whites as well, and you will not only understand "Baltimore" but maybe think what we can do as humans to prevent situations such as this.

But alas stroking ones insecurities is easier and I expect from observing human behavior that the stroking and stroking each other will continue. Just get your hanky and windex before hand.

And thanks for proving my point about how going to the left of Chomsky is just as bad. Both you and the Fox News crowd are the same coin of ignorace.

HA hardly left of Chomsky. Hell I'm far right from him.

Now human behavior and it's motivations fascinate me. This thread and comments are gold I tell you Gold.

JimmyV

Closed to the public! Never have I seen that before.

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/593126571269042176?s=09

josevolution

JimmyV said:

Closed to the public! Never have I seen that before.

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/593126571269042176?s=09

Whoa really they are going to play in an empty stadium damn ...

Wma31394

JimmyV said:

Closed to the public! Never have I seen that before.

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/593126571269042176?s=09

They do this quite a bit in all parts of the world for soccer games as a result from past violence in that stadium or for racial slurs from the country/clubs supporters..

Last-12-Exit

I can't believe the owners would agree to that. There's a lot of lost revenue there.

callen

Last-12-Exit said:

I can't believe the owners would agree to that. There's a lot of lost revenue there.

Guess preserving tv revenue. Bet ratings are up. Be very interesting how players react.

JimmyV

Wma31394 said:

brianlux said:

JimmyV said:

brianlux said:

I'm just finishing reading Paul Chaat Smith and Robert Allen Warrior's excellent book Like a Hurricane which goes into great detail about the American Indian Uprisings in the 1970's. One of those incidents involved the Indian take over of the BIA building in D.C. During that siege, angry Indians destroyed furniture, some of the Native American artwork and many of the documents contained therein. The authors show why these actions were tragic- the loss of artifacts for historic purposes but even more importantly, the loss of documents needed for some American Indian's to maintain their land. BUT, as tragic as this was (and considering these authors are Indians and understand their subject matter very well) the authors clearly demonstrate that there were reasons for this anger, primarily the continued injustices toward these people and that despite the losses incurred at the time, these actions (and the others that the book covers) raised awareness in a big way- they were a major wake up call and much positive change eventually resulted from them.

We need to stop looking shortsightedly at the kinds of incidents that is happening in Baltimore and learn from it and start enacting changes that will prevent this from happening in the future. As long as police brutality and oppression and racism continue, these tragic incidences (which, if you understand what I am saying, I am not supporting) will continue to reoccur.

I like where you are coming from with this and I appreciate the historical comparison.I think we can draw obvious parallels between the Bureau of Indian Affairs and local police departments, particularly in how they are viewed by and deal with the populations they are intended to "serve".

In Baltimore I can fully understand the protests, and how some of those protests could turn into conflicts with the police. I think where it differs from the example you gave is that while the Native Americans caused damage while occupying the administration building, the looters in Baltimore burned cars and senior centers while stealing alcohol and other goods. They didn't occupy city hall or ransack a police station. They targeted buildings and businesses in their own communities. These incidents aren't fully comparable.

That's very true, JimmyV. What I'm trying to show is that there is a bigger picture here, that it's unresolved problems that lead to frustration and violence. The result of the violence will bring attention to the problems but if we solve the problems first, we can probably eliminate the violence.

Which leads us to...

Wma31394 said:

I wish the cops would start busting heads.. Show that on tv and maybe the thugs will think twice when it happens in the next city..

...and what you will gain here is more frustration, fewer resolutions of problems and more, not less violence. But were you really looking for a realistic solution with that approach or just stirring the shit? I really don't know- not making any accusations but it sure sounds like shit stirring more than solutions.

What I'm saying is..the end result is thugs doing all the rotten things everyone has mentioned and they should be stopped..if it takes extreme force then so be it..if some guy is robbing your house, business, or committing arson to either..shouldnt they be stopped using force if need be??

I think the end result of that would be the looters suddenly painted in a sympathetic light. Wouldn't matter what they had done - arson, robbery, thrown rocks at cops - the only clip that would be shown on a loop would be the police response.

Last-12-Exit

callen said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I can't believe the owners would agree to that. There's a lot of lost revenue there.

Guess preserving tv revenue. Bet ratings are up. Be very interesting how players react.

Some of them probably haven't played to an empty stadium since little league. It's difficult to reschedule baseball games. Baltimore'sweekend homestand vs the Rays has been relocated to Tampa.