Baltimore

muskydan

callen said:

muskydan said:

Grab your popcorn boys and girls for tonight's evening festivities....should be must watch TV when the curfew comes into play tonight. Hopefully the gloves come off and the Police/Guard are allowed to do what they are supposed to do if the YOUNG people start misbehaving.

Must watch TV. VIOLENCE AGAINST THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE.

That's Brilliant!!! It should be the name of a super Group. We can have Barry O on drums cause it all starts behind the kit, get that stupid ass Mayor of Baltimore on Bass...Jesse Jackson on Lead guitar cause nobody ever understands what the hell he is saying, and the one And only Skinny Rev-Run Al Sharten layin down the lyrical miracle element of the band.

Dirtie_Frank

The majority of police and city council are minorities in Baltimore.

badbrains

muskydan said:

callen said:

muskydan said:

Grab your popcorn boys and girls for tonight's evening festivities....should be must watch TV when the curfew comes into play tonight. Hopefully the gloves come off and the Police/Guard are allowed to do what they are supposed to do if the YOUNG people start misbehaving.

Must watch TV. VIOLENCE AGAINST THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE.

That's Brilliant!!! It should be the name of a super Group. We can have Barry O on drums cause it all starts behind the kit, get that stupid ass Mayor of Baltimore on Bass...Jesse Jackson on Lead guitar cause nobody ever understands what the hell he is saying, and the one And only Skinny Rev-Run Al Sharten layin down the lyrical miracle element of the band.

Would love to hear what you'd name this said group.

backseatLover12

Last-12-Exit said:

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.

If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.

backseatLover12

Dirtie_Frank said:

The majority of police and city council are minorities in Baltimore.

If that's true, they've got a lot of 'xplainin to do.

JimmyV

backseatLover12 said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

The majority of police and city council are minorities in Baltimore.

If that's true, they've got a lot of 'xplainin to do.

See the great HBO documentary series The Wire for details on the police, politics, and economics of Baltimore.

Dirtie_Frank

backseatLover12 said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

The majority of police and city council are minorities in Baltimore.

If that's true, they've got a lot of 'xplainin to do.

http://www.baltimorecitycouncil.com/members.htm

9 of the 15 are black and so is the mayor and police chief

backseatLover12

So then tell me why the PD is so notorious with police brutality? And why did this man die in their care?

brianlux

Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

brianlux said:

I'm just finishing reading Paul Chaat Smith and Robert Allen Warrior's excellent book Like a Hurricane which goes into great detail about the American Indian Uprisings in the 1970's. One of those incidents involved the Indian take over of the BIA building in D.C. During that siege, angry Indians destroyed furniture, some of the Native American artwork and many of the documents contained therein. The authors show why these actions were tragic- the loss of artifacts for historic purposes but even more importantly, the loss of documents needed for some American Indian's to maintain their land. BUT, as tragic as this was (and considering these authors are Indians and understand their subject matter very well) the authors clearly demonstrate that there were reasons for this anger, primarily the continued injustices toward these people and that despite the losses incurred at the time, these actions (and the others that the book covers) raised awareness in a big way- they were a major wake up call and much positive change eventually resulted from them.

We need to stop looking shortsightedly at the kinds of incidents that is happening in Baltimore and learn from it and start enacting changes that will prevent this from happening in the future. As long as police brutality and oppression and racism continue, these tragic incidences (which, if you understand what I am saying, I am not supporting) will continue to reoccur.

I'm guessing that no one read this, because no one commented. Usually the clear-headed person is always fallen on deaf ears.

But I'm sure everyone will just continue to think that this is not a racism problem, not a police brutality problem and only a "thug" and "apologist" problem as many have noted. Hello racism? The huge elephant in the room that refuses to get discussed???

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.

Have you ever gotten frustrated with something and wanted to break things? I can't tell you how many times having limited choices where I live for a decent ISP leading to poor loading have led me to wanting to throw this thing off a cliff. Now magnify that kind of frustration a hundred times over, intensify it a thousand times and view it as something that affects your community and family and friends and you may find yourself breaking things. Maybe its not the best solution but can you see why it would happen? And sometimes it's the only way people will listen.

And again, if we don't get to the root cause of the problem it will only get worse.

backseatLover12

JimmyV said:

backseatLover12 said:

hedonist said:

Yeah, as Jimmy mentioned - poverty, lack of education (which has so many ripple-effects), lack of parent(s) and good parenting. Pretty sure there are more but that's a good start, I think.

How about talking about racism though, it is the biggest part of the entire police brutality epidemic going on in this country, and is a HUGE part of these riots.

Racism is brought up over and over again, and racism is discussed over and over again. What we saw last night wasn't the result of racism or even police brutality. Unemployment, poverty, a malfunctioning school system, gang culture...all of these things create a powder keg of a situation. Its too easy and too common to focus just on racism.

Please show me where there is a discussion on these boards about racism.

What happened last night is a result of continuous break down between the police force and the inner city neighborhood youth of Baltimore. Unemployment and poverty just goes hand in hand with life in the inner city for minorities. It's not a result and it's not the cause of riots that are really about a man who died in police custody, whom the police refuse to release details of.

Last-12-Exit

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.

If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.

I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.

Dirtie_Frank

backseatLover12 said:

And I said it before. Because after how many days of peaceful protest, 3? While waiting to hear a statement from police? And getting nothing? Tell me if this Gray guy, if he was your brother and "died in police care" from a broken spine, that you wouldn't lose your cool waiting for a "statement"? I'm not excusing the behavior, but the police are just as responsible in all of this as the "dirty thugs" are. They knew, since they're supposed to be of intelligence, that the public would not standby peacefully for long. This is the human condition at its worse. And the police knew - and were waiting - for riots to happen.

Then why wasn't the family rioting? They called for peace. The lawyers called for peace.

backseatLover12

Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.

If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.

I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.

Because that's all you're willing to focus on. "Thug behavior" and not Police behavior.

Again, My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.

backseatLover12

Dirtie_Frank said:

backseatLover12 said:

And I said it before. Because after how many days of peaceful protest, 3? While waiting to hear a statement from police? And getting nothing? Tell me if this Gray guy, if he was your brother and "died in police care" from a broken spine, that you wouldn't lose your cool waiting for a "statement"? I'm not excusing the behavior, but the police are just as responsible in all of this as the "dirty thugs" are. They knew, since they're supposed to be of intelligence, that the public would not standby peacefully for long. This is the human condition at its worse. And the police knew - and were waiting - for riots to happen.

Then why wasn't the family rioting? They called for peace. The lawyers called for peace.

Yes they did, and rightly so. But they're in the inner city neighborhoods of Baltimore. Any level-headed person would try to keep their cool and maybe succeed. An entire inner-city?? Yeah, keep dreaming. The thing is, the cops could have prevented it. They could have come out and done the right thing and admit that the man died in their care from the "bumpy ride to the station" without a seatbelt on. But they wouldn't.

Last-12-Exit

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.

If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.

I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.

Because that's all you're willing to focus on. "Thug behavior" and not Police behavior.

Again, My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.

The policedidn't cause these people to riot. There were peaceful protest going on. So the police didn't give them a timely explanation, so fucking what? None of those thieves were related to that victim. The police dont owe them shit.

And the term thug is the term the black mayor used to describe them.

callen

Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.

If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.

I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.

Last 12 it's not an excuse. What they are doing sucks big time. No doubt. They are indeed hurting themselves. Not smart.

Yet I say again and sure again be criticized but being a young black male in this country sucks. Sucks hard and they see what happens on the news. They get stopped by the police. They encounter racists whites. They had shit schools. They are releasing this anger and don't care about CVS. THEY RELISH JUMPING ON POLICE CARS. HELL I've wanted to jump on and turn over cop car after certain encounters. So no it's not excusable but I understand why it happens. Watching it.

Everyone is the product of their environment. Why I posted my initial stroking post to attempt to show that we do have it good and to just point our finger and say they suck does nothing but make ones self feel better. Can we change the environment?

Dirtie_Frank

The true answer is there are assholes in all walks of life, police, doctors, garbage men,etc.. just like there are assholes in all races. The world is a fucked up place and there is no sign of perfection. I think the police have a tough job as it is for me to second guess every action they take. I also think there are poor people, not only minorities, that have a rough life that I will not pass judgement on them. The police brutalities can stem from a lot of things. Yes there are social injustices that push people to criminal behavior. There are also black people that carry on a certain attitude towards police. Both are wrong and both need to be addressed. Until ALL groups of people are able to see their own faults nothing will move forward.

backseatLover12

Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.

If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.

I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.

Because that's all you're willing to focus on. "Thug behavior" and not Police behavior.

Again, My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.

The policedidn't cause these people to riot. There were peaceful protest going on. So the police didn't give them a timely explanation, so fucking what? None of those thieves were related to that victim. The police dont owe them shit.

And the term thug is the term the black mayor used to describe them.

As long as you continue to see how minority "thugs" who start fires and ruin inner-city neighborhoods as being worse than a murderous police force known for their brutality towards the public on a consistent basis, it is impossible for you to ever be reasonable.

brianlux

Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

backseatLover12 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I did respond to Brian post. I guess since it isn't your view point, it doesn't count. But you're correct, it is a race issue. But my question is why the black youth decided to vandalize, steal, assault police, and commit arson rather than peacefully protest.

If you bothered to care to learn about human behavior from the perspective of a black youth, living in inner-city neighborhoods, constantly at odds with the police with a bad reputation for brutality, poor socio-economic class, you'd maybe comprehend life is so very different for them. But you'd rather classify those of us that can maybe understand that life is different for them, as "apologists" and that we excuse them for their actions. Which is completely false. My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.

I've haven't once called you or anyone else an apologist. I'm also not sure why you think I don't understand race relations. I do understand why the black community is upset with the lack of explanation from the police. Probably better than you do. You have no clue what my background is to make such an absurd assumption.

No matter what the lack of explanation is, it doesn't excuse the thug behavior exhibited by the black youth of Baltimore. Period.

Because that's all you're willing to focus on. "Thug behavior" and not Police behavior.

Again, My question to you, is why there is such a huge problem with police and minorities in the first place.

The policedidn't cause these people to riot. There were peaceful protest going on. So the police didn't give them a timely explanation, so fucking what? None of those thieves were related to that victim. The police dont owe them shit.

And the term thug is the term the black mayor used to describe them.

But in a sense, they were related to the victim. Any repressed group will feel like family. That why, for example, complete strangers when to Wounded Knee in 1973 and fought side by side against a representatives of a repressive government.

backseatLover12

Dirtie_Frank said:

The true answer is there are assholes in all walks of life, police, doctors, garbage men,etc.. just like there are assholes in all races. The world is a fucked up place and there is no sign of perfection. I think the police have a tough job as it is for me to second guess every action they take. I also think there are poor people, not only minorities, that have a rough life that I will not pass judgement on them. The police brutalities can stem from a lot of things. Yes there are social injustices that push people to criminal behavior. There are also black people that carry on a certain attitude towards police. Both are wrong and both need to be addressed. Until ALL groups of people are able to see their own faults nothing will move forward.

So incredibly true.