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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    Not sure anyone would argue racism isn't an issue in Baltimore, but claiming it is a bigger issue than poverty misses the mark.

    And screaming "Racism! Racism is the answer! Why won't you discuss racism?!?" isn't really discussing racism either.
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  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    Do you think black people have an onus to step up to better themselves too? Fathers and Mothers need to be involved with the youths life. Teach them to speak correctly, teach the kids respect for others as well as respect for themselves.




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  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    I answered your question will you answer mine?
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  • Did you watch the video like in the other thread where you asked what I thought before watching?
  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    I answered your question will you answer mine? You keep asking about racism I laid it out how I felt so I asked you to reply. Why are you afraid to answer?
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  • I feel the same way as the guy in the video. Now, tell me how he feels. ;)
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    Not sure what the significance of the video is supposed to be. Not when you first posted it and not now. Yes, he has some good points but are any of them new? Is it just that he is a self described redneck who is saying it?

    And...he's completely stoned right? That's why he can't keep his eyes open?
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  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    So everything is white people responsibility?
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  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    oh wait I am being defensive, right? When does it also become personal responsibility?
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/12/09/the-worst-states-for-black-americans/


    Here's a start if anyone cares to read.

    Page1....

    Racial disparities in social and economic outcomes exist in all parts of the United States. Black Americans make about 62 cents for every dollar earned by white Americans. Black Americans are also twice as likely to be unemployed and considerably more likely to live in poverty.

    In some places, these disparities are even more pronounced. In many of the worst states for black Americans, there are opportunities to get a good job, earn good pay, and buy a home in a good community. However, these opportunities are not uniformly accessible across racial lines. Based on an examination of a number of socio-economic measures, 24/7 Wall St. identified the worst states for black Americans.

    According to Dr. Valerie Wilson, Program Director on Race and Ethnicity in the Economy at the Economic Policy Institute, “You’re never going to find a state or city where the outcome for blacks are better than for whites.” For centuries, there have been stark differences in the conditions and opportunities black Americans have faced.

    The Civil Rights Movement led to hopes that racial inequality would soon end. The movement led to a series of reforms, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and other legislation, known as the “Great Society.” Over the following 50 years, however, further advances have been modest at best.


    According to Dedrick Asante-Muhammad, Senior Director of the Economic Department at the NAACP Financial Freedom Center, “It’s one thing to end segregation, but it’s another thing to talk about billions of dollars of investment.” When the United States invested in a middle class in the 1940s and 1950s, it was in a white middle class, explained Asante-Muhammad. However, the country was “never willing to do that same type of investment to create a middle class that would be inclusive of African Americans.”

    The effects of this unwillingness to invest in the black community are clear in the racial economic outcome gaps. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, for example, the national jobless rate for November was 5.8% nationwide. Among white Americans, the figure was 4.9%. Among black Americans it was 11.1%.

    Segregation also creates different communities with different social services. The quality of schools, property values, the quality of services available, and the quality of food are all “legacies of racially segregated neighborhoods in this country,” said Wilson. Six of the worst states were home to nearly half of the 30 most segregated U.S. cities, according to a University of Michigan Institute for Social Research study on racial segregation in large metropolitan areas.

    Few factors do more to improve people’s livelihoods than access to good jobs. High employment rates contribute to higher incomes, better health insurance coverage, as well as lower poverty rates. In eight of the worst states for black Americans, the difference between black unemployment rates and that of the whole workforce was higher than the national difference. Black Americans in these states also tended to have higher poverty rates, lower incomes, and lower educational attainment rates than both their white peers and black residents in other states.



  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Page 2....

    The obstacles facing black Americans in the United States begin in early childhood — and they have long-lasting effects. Educational outcomes among African American children in five of the worst states for black Americans were identified by the Annie E. Casey Foundation as worse than the average for African-American children nationwide.

    Nationally, less than one in five black adults had attained at least a bachelor’s degree as of last year, versus a rate of nearly one in three among the white population. While the percentage of black adults with at least a bachelor’s degree in some of the states on our list was relatively high, the education gap between black and white state residents was larger than the national gap in nine of the worst states.

    Although higher education leads to higher employment and better wages, it “does not eliminate inequality,” said Wilson. The unemployment rate among college-educated black Americans is still about twice that of college-educated white Americans.

    Of course, there is no single solution to job inequality. Even highly educated black Americans cannot overcome centuries of segregation and outright discrimination. Both Wilson and Asante-Muhammad pointed out that many people are hired because they know someone, for example. If black Americans are not part of a particular social network, their chances of getting hired at a particular job are smaller. For people who have been historically segregated, four years of elite schooling is not the same thing as “having generation after generation that can connect you to different opportunities through friends and family,” Asante-Muhammad explained.

    Inequalities in economic outcomes also persist. A typical black household made just 62.3% of the median income of white households in 2013. Among the worst states, differences in income and poverty were nearly all worse than the national difference. In some states, such as Wisconsin and Minnesota, the median income of black households was roughly half that of white households.

    The economic gaps may actually be understated. This is because wealth, which includes assets, such as stocks and real estate holdings, as well as ready access to credit, are not captured by measures of income alone and can often have greater effects on racial inequalities. “Wealth is that which allows you to bridge economic challenges and difficulties,” such as periods of unforeseen expenses or job loss, Asante-Muhammad explained. Wealth is also used to acquire assets like homes and businesses, which are often transferred intergenerationally.

    In fact, less than 42% of black households were homeowners, while more than 71% of white households owned a home as of 2013. Differences in rates of homeownership are often far more extreme in the worst states for black Americans. In Minnesota, for example, three out of four white households owned their homes. Meanwhile, only one in four black households in the state owned their home.

    Laws can also have a discriminatory effect on black Americans. For example, longer sentences for offenses involving crack cocaine compared to powder cocaine — which are essentially identical — contributed to the disproportionate incarceration rates of black Americans. Wilson explained that crack cocaine was “an epidemic in the African American community.” Because the problem “was more prevalent in those communities, they were disproportionately affected by the sentencing associated with that.” In 2010, the Fair Sentencing Act passed by Congress reduced the sentencing disparity.

    Black Americans were more than five times as likely to go to prison than their white peers as of 2013, and the problem was considerably worse in all 10 states on our list. People with criminal records are more likely to get lower-paying jobs. Further, “When you’re in a community where there is a lack of economic opportunities, people seek alternatives, and unfortunately a lot of those alternatives are criminal,” Wilson said.

    While racial inequality is a complicated issue, this does not mean that there are no solutions. “Even if we ended the over-incarceration of African Americans, we’d still have this great racial economic inequality that really will only be dealt with through massive investments, living wage jobs, homeownership opportunities, equal access to education, health care, all of those things, so there is no one solution. It’s not just education, it’s not just health care, it’s a mixture,” Asante-Muhammad said.


  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    dignin said:
    Stupid people doing stupid things. Not entirely different from what we saw in Baltimore. One difference is that no one claimed the rioters in Boston or Vancouver or Denver were anything other than stupid. No one wasted much time or energy trying to understand why these misbegotten youths were destroying their cities. They were just people who wanted to destroy stuff. Just like in Baltimore.

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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    edited April 2015
    JimmyV said:

    dignin said:
    Stupid people doing stupid things. Not entirely different from what we saw in Baltimore. One difference is that no one claimed the rioters in Boston or Vancouver or Denver were anything other than stupid. No one wasted much time or energy trying to understand why these misbegotten youths were destroying their cities. They were just people who wanted to destroy stuff. Just like in Baltimore.


    I disagree. After the riots in Vancouver, the media and the country as a whole asked why this happened. This went on for months.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/vancouver-not-typical-sports-riot-sociologist-says-1.1087616

    "Sports riots vs. political riots

    Compared to political riots, like the kind we've been seeing in Greece for weeks now, sports riots tend to be much shorter. Lewis found that they typically last two to three hours while political riots, including race riots, go on longer, sometimes for days and weeks at a time.

    Another difference is that, while the key variables for sports riots are young males, in political riots women also participate.

    Lewis pointed out that another difference is that political riots have very clear perceived causes. But with sports riots, as Carrothers said in our interview, "I don't know that in their minds, there is even an achievement part to it, it's really just an emotional release."

    Leading social scientists like Mancur Olson, Charles Tilly and Sidney Tarrow in their studies presented political protests as performances.

    In what they call contentious politics, there is a very small core group of leaders, a larger intermediate group that follows them, and a much larger group still that gets caught up in the action in order to make a political point, or bring about change.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    Reading some of the interesting discussion on racism here I noticed a few here have pointed out that racism is not "owned" (I think is how it was stated) by whites. This is absolutely true. At the same time, if you look at the hate groups (most of which are essentially racist groups) that the watchdog organization Southern Poverty Law tracks (and they call out ALL racist groups, not just whites) you will find the vast majority are white hate groups. This is a fact that just can't be argued. Racism in America is predominantly a white generated problem. This does NOT excuse non-white racism but to try to deflect from that fact that it is predominately a white condition is counterproductive.
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  • muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013
    Wait till you hear what REALLY Happed to Freddy Grey. Some info should be coming out soon, but the Police still have lots to go through before they conclude and release the official findings to public. And I am not talking about the 22 arrests this upstanding individual was able to achieve in his life. Many people on here are really going to feel stupid and duped, just like they did , or should have After the TRUTH came out about all the Mike Brown NonSence.

    Police Fuck up like we all do because afterall they are human, but why The hell are people choosing to rally behind the wrong tragedies??? I will tell you....THE MEDIA. They needed this one.

    What the hell are the "Young people" going to do throughout the country when they hear the TRUTH?? You already know the answer to that...

    I Can't wait to hear the justifications from some of the leftists best-it's on here....spin it baby, spin it....

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    muskydan said:

    Wait till you hear what REALLY Happed to Freddy Grey. Some info should be coming out soon, but the Police still have lots to go through before they conclude and release the official findings to public. And I am not talking about the 22 arrests this upstanding individual was able to achieve in his life. Many people on here are really going to feel stupid and duped, just like they did , or should have After the TRUTH came out about all the Mike Brown NonSence.

    Police Fuck up like we all do because afterall they are human, but why The hell are people choosing to rally behind the wrong tragedies??? I will tell you....THE MEDIA. They needed this one.

    What the hell are the "Young people" going to do throughout the country when they hear the TRUTH?? You already know the answer to that...

    I Can't wait to hear the justifications from some of the leftists best-it's on here....spin it baby, spin it....

    Bang you Head...QR


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    Thank you, muskydan. By stating what you've said in this manner you've confirmed that it is not just those dope smoking, tree hugging, commie pinko leftists who create some of the division here. :wink:

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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    Once again, BSL is screaming race yet refuses to make any point other than posting the generalizations of a stoned, self proclaimed red neck. His rant doesn't give solutions the Baltimore's problem. So if you want a discussion on race, make a point.

    Let's not forget about the 12 posts about race that is on this page alone. Which she has conveniently ignored.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    Yeah ok muskydan so he broke his own spine in the back of the van that's what your putting your chips on ok yeah that's the truth your fellow cops are putting forth , I don't believe it for crap I believe they broke his back before putting him in the van , talk about spin boy oh boy ...
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  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    edited April 2015

    Once again, BSL is screaming race yet refuses to make any point other than posting the generalizations of a stoned, self proclaimed red neck. His rant doesn't give solutions the Baltimore's problem. So if you want a discussion on race, make a point.

    Let's not forget about the 12 posts about race that is on this page alone. Which she has conveniently ignored.

    And a Good Morning to you. It is not up to me to have a discussion about racism, it takes a village (of AMT members) to carry on a real discussion. But thanks for looking to me to have a dialogue (which in the past, has been ultimately with Callen only).

    Carry on. Good stuff so far, the articles from Dignig, and this from Brian: "...if you look at the hate groups (most of which are essentially racist groups) that the watchdog organization Southern Poverty Law tracks (and they call out ALL racist groups, not just whites) you will find the vast majority are white hate groups. This is a fact that just can't be argued. Racism in America is predominantly a white generated problem. This does NOT excuse non-white racism but to try to deflect from that fact that it is predominately a white condition is counterproductive."
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  • dignin said:
    Interesting. I wanted to FF to the states:
    10. Arkansas
    Pct. residents black: 15.7%
    > Black homeownership rate: 42.8% (15th highest)
    > Black incarceration rate: 2,432 per 100,000 people (24th highest)
    > Black unemployment rate: 16.5% (tied-4th highest)
    > Unemployment rate, all people: 7.8% (14th highest)

    9. Kansas
    > Pct. residents black: 5.8%
    > Black homeownership rate: 36.1% (22nd lowest)
    > Black incarceration rate: 3,306 per 100,000 people (9th highest)
    > Black unemployment rate: 11.8% (14th lowest)
    > Unemployment rate, all people: 5.6% (12th lowest)

    8. New Jersey
    > Pct. residents black: 13.7%
    > Black homeownership rate: 39.1% (23rd highest)
    > Black incarceration rate: 1,992 per 100,000 people (13th lowest)
    > Black unemployment rate: 13.0% (21st lowest)
    > Unemployment rate, all people: 8.2% (7th highest)

    7.Connecticut
    > Pct. residents black: 10.3%
    > Black homeownership rate: 35.0% (21st lowest)
    > Black incarceration rate: 2,260 per 100,000 people (21st lowest)
    > Black unemployment rate: 13.3% (20th highest)
    > Unemployment rate, all people: 7.7% (15th highest)

    6. Michigan
    > Pct. residents black: 13.9%
    > Black homeownership rate: 42.6% (16th highest)
    > Black incarceration rate: 2,169 per 100,000 people (18th lowest)
    > Black unemployment rate: 16.5% (tied-4th highest)
    > Unemployment rate, all people: 8.6% (6th highest)

    5. Pennsylvania
    > Pct. residents black: 11.0%
    > Black homeownership rate: 43.1% (14th highest)
    > Black incarceration rate: 3,269 per 100,000 people (10th highest)
    > Black unemployment rate: 14.4% (15th highest)
    > Unemployment rate, all people: 7.5% (20th highest)

    4.Illinois
    > Pct. residents black: 14.2%
    > Black homeownership rate: 38.5% (25th highest)
    > Black incarceration rate: 2,128 per 100,000 people (17th lowest)
    > Black unemployment rate: 17.0% (3rd highest)
    > Unemployment rate, all people: 9.1% (3rd highest)

    3. Rhode Island
    > Pct. residents black: 6.4%
    > Black homeownership rate: 29.4% (10th lowest)
    > Black incarceration rate: 1,884 per 100,000 people (11th lowest)
    > Black unemployment rate: 16.0% (6th highest)
    > Unemployment rate, all people: 9.2% (2nd highest)

    2. Minnesota
    > Pct. residents black: 5.4%
    > Black homeownership rate: 25.7% (5th lowest)
    > Black incarceration rate: 2,321 per 100,000 people (22nd lowest)
    > Black unemployment rate: 15.0% (tied-11th lowest)
    > Unemployment rate, all people: 4.9% (9th lowest)

    1. Wisconsin
    > Pct. residents black: 6.2%
    > Black homeownership rate: 28.1% (7th lowest)
    > Black incarceration rate: 4,042 per 100,000 people (3rd highest)
    > Black unemployment rate: 15.0% (tied-11th highest)
    > Unemployment rate, all people: 6.7% (21st lowest)
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172





    dignin said:

    JimmyV said:

    dignin said:
    Stupid people doing stupid things. Not entirely different from what we saw in Baltimore. One difference is that no one claimed the rioters in Boston or Vancouver or Denver were anything other than stupid. No one wasted much time or energy trying to understand why these misbegotten youths were destroying their cities. They were just people who wanted to destroy stuff. Just like in Baltimore.


    I disagree. After the riots in Vancouver, the media and the country as a whole asked why this happened. This went on for months.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/vancouver-not-typical-sports-riot-sociologist-says-1.1087616

    "Sports riots vs. political riots

    Compared to political riots, like the kind we've been seeing in Greece for weeks now, sports riots tend to be much shorter. Lewis found that they typically last two to three hours while political riots, including race riots, go on longer, sometimes for days and weeks at a time.

    Another difference is that, while the key variables for sports riots are young males, in political riots women also participate.

    Lewis pointed out that another difference is that political riots have very clear perceived causes. But with sports riots, as Carrothers said in our interview, "I don't know that in their minds, there is even an achievement part to it, it's really just an emotional release."

    Leading social scientists like Mancur Olson, Charles Tilly and Sidney Tarrow in their studies presented political protests as performances.

    In what they call contentious politics, there is a very small core group of leaders, a larger intermediate group that follows them, and a much larger group still that gets caught up in the action in order to make a political point, or bring about change.
    Did anyone argue we needed to show empathy for these poor, disappointed souls?

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    So I say again the cops are going to spin it as Freddy Gray self inflicted his own injuries yeah ok , if you look at the video to me he looks like his back was already broken before getting into the van ha ha ha that is laughable ...
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172

    So I say again the cops are going to spin it as Freddy Gray self inflicted his own injuries yeah ok , if you look at the video to me he looks like his back was already broken before getting into the van ha ha ha that is laughable ...

    Yes, there will definitely be a spin. That we know for sure.

    These reports that he was trying to injure himself don't add up. How does one break their own back?

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    muskydan said:

    Wait till you hear what REALLY Happed to Freddy Grey. Some info should be coming out soon, but the Police still have lots to go through before they conclude and release the official findings to public. And I am not talking about the 22 arrests this upstanding individual was able to achieve in his life. Many people on here are really going to feel stupid and duped, just like they did , or should have After the TRUTH came out about all the Mike Brown NonSence.

    Police Fuck up like we all do because afterall they are human, but why The hell are people choosing to rally behind the wrong tragedies??? I will tell you....THE MEDIA. They needed this one.

    What the hell are the "Young people" going to do throughout the country when they hear the TRUTH?? You already know the answer to that...

    I Can't wait to hear the justifications from some of the leftists best-it's on here....spin it baby, spin it....

    Bang you Head...QR


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    Aren't you done making predictions yet?
    The nationwide MB riots, the resulting race war, the Rekia Boyd deflection, the Baltimore day 2 riots...none of which happened. I won't include the ISIS prediction because time enough hasn't passed yet.
    So Grey severed his own spine eh?
    Sure.
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661

    Once again, BSL is screaming race yet refuses to make any point other than posting the generalizations of a stoned, self proclaimed red neck. His rant doesn't give solutions the Baltimore's problem. So if you want a discussion on race, make a point.

    Let's not forget about the 12 posts about race that is on this page alone. Which she has conveniently ignored.

    And a Good Morning to you. It is not up to me to have a discussion about racism, it takes a village (of AMT members) to carry on a real discussion. But thanks for looking to me to have a dialogue (which in the past, has been ultimately with Callen only).

    Carry on. Good stuff so far, the articles from Dignig, and this from Brian: "...if you look at the hate groups (most of which are essentially racist groups) that the watchdog organization Southern Poverty Law tracks (and they call out ALL racist groups, not just whites) you will find the vast majority are white hate groups. This is a fact that just can't be argued. Racism in America is predominantly a white generated problem. This does NOT excuse non-white racism but to try to deflect from that fact that it is predominately a white condition is counterproductive."
    My apologies, good morning to you too.

    You have been by far the most vocal about bringing up race. If it isn't up to you, why is it up to me or anyone else?

  • muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013
    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    Wait till you hear what REALLY Happed to Freddy Grey. Some info should be coming out soon, but the Police still have lots to go through before they conclude and release the official findings to public. And I am not talking about the 22 arrests this upstanding individual was able to achieve in his life. Many people on here are really going to feel stupid and duped, just like they did , or should have After the TRUTH came out about all the Mike Brown NonSence.

    Police Fuck up like we all do because afterall they are human, but why The hell are people choosing to rally behind the wrong tragedies??? I will tell you....THE MEDIA. They needed this one.

    What the hell are the "Young people" going to do throughout the country when they hear the TRUTH?? You already know the answer to that...

    I Can't wait to hear the justifications from some of the leftists best-it's on here....spin it baby, spin it....

    Bang you Head...QR


    ..

    Aren't you done making predictions yet?
    The nationwide MB riots, the resulting race war, the Rekia Boyd deflection, the Baltimore day 2 riots...none of which happened. I won't include the ISIS prediction because time enough hasn't passed yet.
    So Grey severed his own spine eh?
    Sure.
    I guess we will see Gams....

    I am surprised how you feel the possibility of a race war is out of the question and arguably already starting. Most of those things you mentioned above did happen, so I don't get that, but lets not play a he said she said game.

    Anyhow, Here is a little hint when it comes to a extensive footchase around Da hood (active resisters). Bad things happen when officers are forced to get hands on w/ a subject..... Like a resisters back breaking with a pre-existing condition. Police are not paid to fight fair and once the cuffs are on its game over...if the police are found after the investigation tooning up Grey w/ the cuffs on, well all of them will be charged who were involved. The not strapping in Grey in the wagon most likeky will come back and bite them in the ass since that is procedure. However, It is comon when dealing w/ Dude if the Wagon is used who still wants to fight by spitting, head butting, you name it to just get him in an shut the door.
  • Wma31394Wma31394 Posts: 3,045
    JimmyV said:

    So I say again the cops are going to spin it as Freddy Gray self inflicted his own injuries yeah ok , if you look at the video to me he looks like his back was already broken before getting into the van ha ha ha that is laughable ...

    Yes, there will definitely be a spin. That we know for sure.

    These reports that he was trying to injure himself don't add up. How does one break their own back?

    Easily...See Liar Liar courthouse bathroom scene..
    "Going where the water tastes like wine!"
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