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Great stuff.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, I agree. I have no idea how to make it fair.Dirtie_Frank said:How do we make it fair then? Police have an enormously hard job. The shit bag in SC did not, but for the most part cops do the right thing. They are just people, some make mistakes and some abuse their power. We will never have a perfect police force. We just need to make sure when someone fucks up they are handled appropriately, but we also need to give them the benefit of the doubt because when push comes to shove I do not want them second guessing a bad situation.
in the US, it is getting increasingly difficult to recruit people to become cops. so when you have fewer choices, you can't make the process of becoming one more stringent. I think this is part of the issue. the right people need to be in these positions. they need better pay and stricter guidelines on getting in (psychological being one of them), not to mention STAYING IN. there needs to be an outpouring of PR from the forces to help people believe that police keep them safe, not that they are the enemy. make it a priority INSIDE the force to make sure your cops are psychologically sound.
in Canada, I believe, cops are paid VERY well. like our teachers are. you can't skimp on these professions. they are simply too important for societal health. while the poor don't necessarily have BBQ's with local cops, I don't believe they fear them.
those are but a few suggestions that won't even begin to scratch the surface of repair. But I think it's a start.
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Great stuff.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, I agree. I have no idea how to make it fair.Dirtie_Frank said:How do we make it fair then? Police have an enormously hard job. The shit bag in SC did not, but for the most part cops do the right thing. They are just people, some make mistakes and some abuse their power. We will never have a perfect police force. We just need to make sure when someone fucks up they are handled appropriately, but we also need to give them the benefit of the doubt because when push comes to shove I do not want them second guessing a bad situation.
in the US, it is getting increasingly difficult to recruit people to become cops. so when you have fewer choices, you can't make the process of becoming one more stringent. I think this is part of the issue. the right people need to be in these positions. they need better pay and stricter guidelines on getting in (psychological being one of them), not to mention STAYING IN. there needs to be an outpouring of PR from the forces to help people believe that police keep them safe, not that they are the enemy. make it a priority INSIDE the force to make sure your cops are psychologically sound.
in Canada, I believe, cops are paid VERY well. like our teachers are. you can't skimp on these professions. they are simply too important for societal health. while the poor don't necessarily have BBQ's with local cops, I don't believe they fear them.
those are but a few suggestions that won't even begin to scratch the surface of repair. But I think it's a start.
How about legalizing drugs, prostitution and other morality laws to get police out of these social issues.
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Wow Hugh, wowHughFreakingDillon said:
if faux had even gotten hold of the story.badbrains said:
Well, in this case hugh, I'm sure faux would've been all over the story and they'd still be talking about it to this day. And I agree, media leaves out a lot of shit. I don't want to derail the thread by giving examples of media bias.HughFreakingDillon said:
I wasn't saying I had an issue with anything. just stating what I have seen.badbrains said:
Hey Hugh, let's be fair here, ya I've attacked him relentlessly. When someone makes a claim about an incident that no one can seem to find anywhere, I'm gonna call them out on it. It amazes me that some of you would actually have an issue with this. And people have seen what this so called public servant thinks about a certain color of people or religion. I'm actually shocked that anyone would find it a problem calling someone out on posts that are supposedly factual but yet no where to be found.HughFreakingDillon said:
In the past when he has, he has been severly flamed and personally attacked. Cant say i blame him for his silence, but I would not have entered the discussion at all, especially with the suggestive wording used in that post.josevolution said:
Listen my brother in law is a retired NYPD I hold total respect for the line of work we are all trying to get our heads around this particular incident , how can you just sit there and not give your opinion ....man talk about a no showmuskydan said:
No freakin way….I have learned my lesson being honest on here. Besides, Many of you have already established that I am a phony so what does it matter??? Anyhow, carry on and good luck with the answers to your question. I look forward to learning a little something ...josevolution said:
That's all you got for goodness sake your s cop or at least you claim to be one , I asked what do you think about this particular incident ...muskydan said:
No freakin way Brian….I should not have commented cause I would love to hear some answers from Jose question that he seeks…so please carry onbrianlux said:
Not an answer Dan. You made the comment, let's have some specifics.muskydan said:
No Freakin way!!!! Good luck figuring out this conundrumjosevolution said:
Well go ahead why don't you say it you seem to have all the answers please enlighten memuskydan said:
HMMMMMM, I wonder why that is….josevolution said:I'll ask again as i did on the other thread , when was the last time we saw a white family sitting there asking why was their family member shot dead by a cop , i cant seem to find any ....
Or better yet what do you thing about this incident
Edit-and to be really fair, I'm pretty much the only guy who's gone on to call him out so if you're gonna point the finger at someone, at least point it at that person directly.
as an aside: just because you can't find something on the internet, doesn't mean it didn't happen. A friend of mine is a cop, and he once told me it would make my jaw drop the stuff that the media/police agency doesn't release about criminal activity in the "best interests of society".
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wow what? I sincerely doubt the media is informed about everything.badbrains said:
Wow Hugh, wowHughFreakingDillon said:
if faux had even gotten hold of the story.badbrains said:
Well, in this case hugh, I'm sure faux would've been all over the story and they'd still be talking about it to this day. And I agree, media leaves out a lot of shit. I don't want to derail the thread by giving examples of media bias.HughFreakingDillon said:
I wasn't saying I had an issue with anything. just stating what I have seen.badbrains said:
Hey Hugh, let's be fair here, ya I've attacked him relentlessly. When someone makes a claim about an incident that no one can seem to find anywhere, I'm gonna call them out on it. It amazes me that some of you would actually have an issue with this. And people have seen what this so called public servant thinks about a certain color of people or religion. I'm actually shocked that anyone would find it a problem calling someone out on posts that are supposedly factual but yet no where to be found.HughFreakingDillon said:
In the past when he has, he has been severly flamed and personally attacked. Cant say i blame him for his silence, but I would not have entered the discussion at all, especially with the suggestive wording used in that post.josevolution said:
Listen my brother in law is a retired NYPD I hold total respect for the line of work we are all trying to get our heads around this particular incident , how can you just sit there and not give your opinion ....man talk about a no showmuskydan said:
No freakin way….I have learned my lesson being honest on here. Besides, Many of you have already established that I am a phony so what does it matter??? Anyhow, carry on and good luck with the answers to your question. I look forward to learning a little something ...josevolution said:
That's all you got for goodness sake your s cop or at least you claim to be one , I asked what do you think about this particular incident ...muskydan said:
No freakin way Brian….I should not have commented cause I would love to hear some answers from Jose question that he seeks…so please carry onbrianlux said:
Not an answer Dan. You made the comment, let's have some specifics.muskydan said:
No Freakin way!!!! Good luck figuring out this conundrumjosevolution said:
Well go ahead why don't you say it you seem to have all the answers please enlighten memuskydan said:
HMMMMMM, I wonder why that is….josevolution said:I'll ask again as i did on the other thread , when was the last time we saw a white family sitting there asking why was their family member shot dead by a cop , i cant seem to find any ....
Or better yet what do you thing about this incident
Edit-and to be really fair, I'm pretty much the only guy who's gone on to call him out so if you're gonna point the finger at someone, at least point it at that person directly.
as an aside: just because you can't find something on the internet, doesn't mean it didn't happen. A friend of mine is a cop, and he once told me it would make my jaw drop the stuff that the media/police agency doesn't release about criminal activity in the "best interests of society".
Edit- Rupert Murdock, that's all I have to say to that
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Kudos to Callen and Hugh. Both make great suggestions. I agree with Hugh that we need to be attracting the best and brightest, pay them accordingly and hold them to a very high standard of accountability. There is a thread currently discussing paid sick leave and the point has been made about motivating workers by providing them with appropriate compensation and support to get the best out of them. That would seem to apply here as well.callen said:
Great stuff.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, I agree. I have no idea how to make it fair.Dirtie_Frank said:How do we make it fair then? Police have an enormously hard job. The shit bag in SC did not, but for the most part cops do the right thing. They are just people, some make mistakes and some abuse their power. We will never have a perfect police force. We just need to make sure when someone fucks up they are handled appropriately, but we also need to give them the benefit of the doubt because when push comes to shove I do not want them second guessing a bad situation.
in the US, it is getting increasingly difficult to recruit people to become cops. so when you have fewer choices, you can't make the process of becoming one more stringent. I think this is part of the issue. the right people need to be in these positions. they need better pay and stricter guidelines on getting in (psychological being one of them), not to mention STAYING IN. there needs to be an outpouring of PR from the forces to help people believe that police keep them safe, not that they are the enemy. make it a priority INSIDE the force to make sure your cops are psychologically sound.
in Canada, I believe, cops are paid VERY well. like our teachers are. you can't skimp on these professions. they are simply too important for societal health. while the poor don't necessarily have BBQ's with local cops, I don't believe they fear them.
those are but a few suggestions that won't even begin to scratch the surface of repair. But I think it's a start.
How about legalizing drugs, prostitution and other morality laws to get police out of these social issues.
And I agree with Callen regarding issues with legislating and enforcing morality laws, especially laws that are steeped in religiously based morality. Fewer of those types of laws mean fewer opportunities for cops to need to intervene in peoples' lives, leading to fewer conflicts between police and citizens."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
Then you really don't know Rupert.HughFreakingDillon said:
wow what? I sincerely doubt the media is informed about everything.badbrains said:
Wow Hugh, wowHughFreakingDillon said:
if faux had even gotten hold of the story.badbrains said:
Well, in this case hugh, I'm sure faux would've been all over the story and they'd still be talking about it to this day. And I agree, media leaves out a lot of shit. I don't want to derail the thread by giving examples of media bias.HughFreakingDillon said:
I wasn't saying I had an issue with anything. just stating what I have seen.badbrains said:
Hey Hugh, let's be fair here, ya I've attacked him relentlessly. When someone makes a claim about an incident that no one can seem to find anywhere, I'm gonna call them out on it. It amazes me that some of you would actually have an issue with this. And people have seen what this so called public servant thinks about a certain color of people or religion. I'm actually shocked that anyone would find it a problem calling someone out on posts that are supposedly factual but yet no where to be found.HughFreakingDillon said:
In the past when he has, he has been severly flamed and personally attacked. Cant say i blame him for his silence, but I would not have entered the discussion at all, especially with the suggestive wording used in that post.josevolution said:
Listen my brother in law is a retired NYPD I hold total respect for the line of work we are all trying to get our heads around this particular incident , how can you just sit there and not give your opinion ....man talk about a no showmuskydan said:
No freakin way….I have learned my lesson being honest on here. Besides, Many of you have already established that I am a phony so what does it matter??? Anyhow, carry on and good luck with the answers to your question. I look forward to learning a little something ...josevolution said:
That's all you got for goodness sake your s cop or at least you claim to be one , I asked what do you think about this particular incident ...muskydan said:
No freakin way Brian….I should not have commented cause I would love to hear some answers from Jose question that he seeks…so please carry onbrianlux said:
Not an answer Dan. You made the comment, let's have some specifics.muskydan said:
No Freakin way!!!! Good luck figuring out this conundrumjosevolution said:
Well go ahead why don't you say it you seem to have all the answers please enlighten memuskydan said:
HMMMMMM, I wonder why that is….josevolution said:I'll ask again as i did on the other thread , when was the last time we saw a white family sitting there asking why was their family member shot dead by a cop , i cant seem to find any ....
Or better yet what do you thing about this incident
Edit-and to be really fair, I'm pretty much the only guy who's gone on to call him out so if you're gonna point the finger at someone, at least point it at that person directly.
as an aside: just because you can't find something on the internet, doesn't mean it didn't happen. A friend of mine is a cop, and he once told me it would make my jaw drop the stuff that the media/police agency doesn't release about criminal activity in the "best interests of society".
Edit- Rupert Murdock, that's all I have to say to that0 -
As an Australian it amazes just how much of a problem over there in the US it really is...but having said just the other week over here a white woman holding a knife was shot dead after being surrounded by about a dozen cops.0
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What is the sentiment of public. Let us know if any discipline is administered.i_lov_it said:As an Australian it amazes just how much of a problem over there in the US it really is...but having said just the other week over here a white woman holding a knife was shot dead after being surrounded by about a dozen cops.
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Yeah, I'm curious as well.callen said:
What is the sentiment of public. Let us know if any discipline is administered.i_lov_it said:As an Australian it amazes just how much of a problem over there in the US it really is...but having said just the other week over here a white woman holding a knife was shot dead after being surrounded by about a dozen cops.
Situation out here where several deputies were shown to beat the SHIT out of someone who appears to have fully surrendered after a three-hour pursuit - part of which was with the guy riding a stolen horse.
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yeah, I do actually. I know he taps phones and shit. but he doesn't own all media. I said "faux" but I meant media in general. in winnipeg at least, the media is told what the police force tells them.badbrains said:
Then you really don't know Rupert.HughFreakingDillon said:
wow what? I sincerely doubt the media is informed about everything.badbrains said:
Wow Hugh, wowHughFreakingDillon said:
if faux had even gotten hold of the story.badbrains said:
Well, in this case hugh, I'm sure faux would've been all over the story and they'd still be talking about it to this day. And I agree, media leaves out a lot of shit. I don't want to derail the thread by giving examples of media bias.HughFreakingDillon said:
I wasn't saying I had an issue with anything. just stating what I have seen.badbrains said:
Hey Hugh, let's be fair here, ya I've attacked him relentlessly. When someone makes a claim about an incident that no one can seem to find anywhere, I'm gonna call them out on it. It amazes me that some of you would actually have an issue with this. And people have seen what this so called public servant thinks about a certain color of people or religion. I'm actually shocked that anyone would find it a problem calling someone out on posts that are supposedly factual but yet no where to be found.HughFreakingDillon said:
In the past when he has, he has been severly flamed and personally attacked. Cant say i blame him for his silence, but I would not have entered the discussion at all, especially with the suggestive wording used in that post.josevolution said:
Listen my brother in law is a retired NYPD I hold total respect for the line of work we are all trying to get our heads around this particular incident , how can you just sit there and not give your opinion ....man talk about a no showmuskydan said:
No freakin way….I have learned my lesson being honest on here. Besides, Many of you have already established that I am a phony so what does it matter??? Anyhow, carry on and good luck with the answers to your question. I look forward to learning a little something ...josevolution said:
That's all you got for goodness sake your s cop or at least you claim to be one , I asked what do you think about this particular incident ...muskydan said:
No freakin way Brian….I should not have commented cause I would love to hear some answers from Jose question that he seeks…so please carry onbrianlux said:
Not an answer Dan. You made the comment, let's have some specifics.muskydan said:
No Freakin way!!!! Good luck figuring out this conundrumjosevolution said:
Well go ahead why don't you say it you seem to have all the answers please enlighten memuskydan said:
HMMMMMM, I wonder why that is….josevolution said:I'll ask again as i did on the other thread , when was the last time we saw a white family sitting there asking why was their family member shot dead by a cop , i cant seem to find any ....
Or better yet what do you thing about this incident
Edit-and to be really fair, I'm pretty much the only guy who's gone on to call him out so if you're gonna point the finger at someone, at least point it at that person directly.
as an aside: just because you can't find something on the internet, doesn't mean it didn't happen. A friend of mine is a cop, and he once told me it would make my jaw drop the stuff that the media/police agency doesn't release about criminal activity in the "best interests of society".
Edit- Rupert Murdock, that's all I have to say to that
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Little to no coverage of an officer being shot in Anne Arundel County MD.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-officer-shot-in-anne-arundel-county-tweet-from-police-says/2015/04/10/e8d8ac3e-df6a-11e4-a1b8-2ed88bc190d2_story.html
An Anne Arundel County police officer was shot and critically wounded Friday morning near Annapolis and authorities are searching for the gunman.
T.J. Smith, a county police spokesman, said that the officer went to a 7-Eleven on the 700 block of College Parkway in Arnold, near Annapolis, shortly after 2 a.m. on Friday. There, a person told him that someone standing outside the store seemed suspicious. He called other officers over his radio for backup, and went to confront the suspicious person, Smith said.
In the ensuing confrontation, the suspect and the officer ran about 100 to 200 feet away from the 7-Eleven, Smith said. The suspect apparently used a gun which he was carrying to shoot the officer at least once in the upper body, the spokesman said.
Smith said that it was not clear whether the officer also fired his gun at the suspect. The officer was not disarmed in the confrontation, Smith said.
Smith said that the suspect’s gun had not been found, and the man — described as a 20- to 30-year-old black man between 5 feet 4 inches and 5 feet 8 inches — should be considered armed and dangerous.
If anyone saw anything in this area in the overnight hours, we want you to give our tip line a call,” he said. He said the suspect was wearing a black hoodie and dark pants that were not jeans at the time of the shooting.
Smith said that police had searched on foot and with dogs in the area around the 7-Eleven.
“We don’t know where that suspect is at this point in time,” he said.
The officer is being treated at the shock trauma center at the University of Maryland in Baltimore, and the county’s chief of police is there with him, Smith said.96 Randall's Island II
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Well in this instance I don't think there was any discipline administered...it was on the news in the papers then just like that you don't hear about it seemed almost like it was a story in passing...there was no need to kill her very uncalled for obviously there was no need to shoot her at all...she only had a knife outnumbered by the police not too mention they have other weapons like batons and tasers they could of used.callen said:
What is the sentiment of public. Let us know if any discipline is administered.i_lov_it said:As an Australian it amazes just how much of a problem over there in the US it really is...but having said just the other week over here a white woman holding a knife was shot dead after being surrounded by about a dozen cops.
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I don't know if anyone has seen this absolute beat-down that a horse thief suffered ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyLfHuPZQQY
There are so many cops beating the shit out of this guy they have to take turns for almost two minutes!
Although he is a horse thief, so he relatively got off light. If he did this 100 years ago he would be swinging from the nearest tree.
Those were a lot of pissed off cops! The video starts off by saying 2 deputies are down.
I'm guessing the guy in orange pulled off some major dickery to the point that the whole "I give up" card was way out the window. Like when that South African tried to pull that "Diplomatic Immunity" bullshit on Danny Glover.
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Some of these cops around the country just aren't helping their reputations with videos like that and the racist cops sending texts in Fort Lauderdale.0
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That as brutal. Like a pack of wolves. Just when i thought one of them was level headed and was pulling one of the beating cops off, he started beating on the perp! All the while, the horse is
looking like "get me the fuck outta here". Intersting that the audio cuts out just as the beating started. Was the pwrson speaking cheering them on or something?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
That kick to the balls, I almost felt that here in front of my computer. Wonder what kind of shape he was in after that beat down.0
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The commentary cut out is weird. I'm thinking it was a feed from a program director versus a live feed and that the person giving audio direction was in shock ... or was smart enough to hit the mute button which is the most likely scenario.HughFreakingDillon said:That as brutal. Like a pack of wolves. Just when i thought one of them was level headed and was pulling one of the beating cops off, he started beating on the perp! All the while, the horse is
looking like "get me the fuck outta here". Intersting that the audio cuts out just as the beating started. Was the pwrson speaking cheering them on or something?
The cops, under normal circumstances, would / should have been aware that they could be being taped because we know at least two helicopters were right on top of them via the video, yet they were so enraged they just didn't give a fuck.
From what I've read, the horse suffered injuries from the perp forcing him to ride the dangerous canyons.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
I posted about it in one of these threads. Absolutely disgusting.Jason P said:I don't know if anyone has seen this absolute beat-down that a horse thief suffered ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyLfHuPZQQY
There are so many cops beating the shit out of this guy they have to take turns for almost two minutes!
Although he is a horse thief, so he relatively got off light. If he did this 100 years ago he would be swinging from the nearest tree.
Those were a lot of pissed off cops! The video starts off by saying 2 deputies are down.
I'm guessing the guy in orange pulled off some major dickery to the point that the whole "I give up" card was way out the window. Like when that South African tried to pull that "Diplomatic Immunity" bullshit on Danny Glover.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwC_IaY3BmY
Pretty sure the horse was all "the fuck?" from the steal to witnessing the beatdown.
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When I watched Saving Private Ryan, I will always remember the beach scene when the troops finally took control of the German fortifications. The troops had obviously taken a shitkicking on the beach with several of their buddies torn to shreds by German artillery and machine gun fire.
Some Germans, once realizing they had been overtaken, emerged from their fortifications with their hands up- surrendering. Boy... here's a rich moment: shoot them to shreds and the moment you can't shoot any more... simply surrender and they will feed you.
Some were permitted to surrender. Some were not. It depended on which soldiers encountered the surrendering troops. We all know what should happen, but let's be honest: that sure is expecting a lot from people.
This guy had already 'downed' two deputies and had only given himself up when escape had become impossible. I only watched the first half of the video, but to be honest... I think the first kicks and punches he got were well-deserved."My brain's a good brain!"0
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