Police abuse

Indifference71

rgambs said:

Indifference71 said:

rgambs said:

muskydan said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

brianlux said:

muskydan said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

josevolution said:

I'll ask again as i did on the other thread , when was the last time we saw a white family sitting there asking why was their family member shot dead by a cop , i cant seem to find any ....

HMMMMMM, I wonder why that is….

Well go ahead why don't you say it you seem to have all the answers please enlighten me
Or better yet what do you thing about this incident

No Freakin way!!!! Good luck figuring out this conundrum

Not an answer Dan. You made the comment, let's have some specifics.

No freakin way Brian….I should not have commented cause I would love to hear some answers from Jose question that he seeks…so please carry on

That's all you got for goodness sake your s cop or at least you claim to be one , I asked what do you think about this particular incident ...

No freakin way….I have learned my lesson being honest on here. Besides, Many of you have already established that I am a phony so what does it matter??? Anyhow, carry on and good luck with the answers to your question. I look forward to learning a little something ...

At this point, your unwillingness to comment leads to the obvious assumption that you are in opposition to the clear consensus that this gentleman was murdered and the officer tampered with the evidence and falsified his report.

Really? Now you're speaking for him??? This place is just plain laughable sometimes.

It's an assumption... You know what an assumption is. Some might say it makes an ass out of me... I disagree.
Sometimes silence speaks volumes, if Musky wants to clarify he is free to do so. If he doesn't, that's fine too, especially since he's having a tough week in his life. I wanted to draw him into this fracas, but thought better of it, now that he has poked his head in, I think it's fair to ask his opinion. It's fair for him to decline as well, but that will leave room for assumption, good or bad, right or wrong...that's just how it is.

OK. You go ahead and have fun with your assumptions. What a joke.

HughFreakingDillon

badbrains said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

brianlux said:

muskydan said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

josevolution said:

I'll ask again as i did on the other thread , when was the last time we saw a white family sitting there asking why was their family member shot dead by a cop , i cant seem to find any ....

HMMMMMM, I wonder why that is….

Well go ahead why don't you say it you seem to have all the answers please enlighten me
Or better yet what do you thing about this incident

No Freakin way!!!! Good luck figuring out this conundrum

Not an answer Dan. You made the comment, let's have some specifics.

No freakin way Brian….I should not have commented cause I would love to hear some answers from Jose question that he seeks…so please carry on

That's all you got for goodness sake your s cop or at least you claim to be one , I asked what do you think about this particular incident ...

No freakin way….I have learned my lesson being honest on here. Besides, Many of you have already established that I am a phony so what does it matter??? Anyhow, carry on and good luck with the answers to your question. I look forward to learning a little something ...

Listen my brother in law is a retired NYPD I hold total respect for the line of work we are all trying to get our heads around this particular incident , how can you just sit there and not give your opinion ....man talk about a no show

In the past when he has, he has been severly flamed and personally attacked. Cant say i blame him for his silence, but I would not have entered the discussion at all, especially with the suggestive wording used in that post.

Hey Hugh, let's be fair here, ya I've attacked him relentlessly. When someone makes a claim about an incident that no one can seem to find anywhere, I'm gonna call them out on it. It amazes me that some of you would actually have an issue with this. And people have seen what this so called public servant thinks about a certain color of people or religion. I'm actually shocked that anyone would find it a problem calling someone out on posts that are supposedly factual but yet no where to be found.

Edit-and to be really fair, I'm pretty much the only guy who's gone on to call him out so if you're gonna point the finger at someone, at least point it at that person directly.

I wasn't saying I had an issue with anything. just stating what I have seen.

as an aside: just because you can't find something on the internet, doesn't mean it didn't happen. A friend of mine is a cop, and he once told me it would make my jaw drop the stuff that the media/police agency doesn't release about criminal activity in the "best interests of society".

HughFreakingDillon

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

brianlux said:

muskydan said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

josevolution said:

I'll ask again as i did on the other thread , when was the last time we saw a white family sitting there asking why was their family member shot dead by a cop , i cant seem to find any ....

HMMMMMM, I wonder why that is….

Well go ahead why don't you say it you seem to have all the answers please enlighten me
Or better yet what do you thing about this incident

No Freakin way!!!! Good luck figuring out this conundrum

Not an answer Dan. You made the comment, let's have some specifics.

No freakin way Brian….I should not have commented cause I would love to hear some answers from Jose question that he seeks…so please carry on

That's all you got for goodness sake your s cop or at least you claim to be one , I asked what do you think about this particular incident ...

No freakin way….I have learned my lesson being honest on here. Besides, Many of you have already established that I am a phony so what does it matter??? Anyhow, carry on and good luck with the answers to your question. I look forward to learning a little something ...

Listen my brother in law is a retired NYPD I hold total respect for the line of work we are all trying to get our heads around this particular incident , how can you just sit there and not give your opinion ....man talk about a no show

In the past when he has, he has been severly flamed and personally attacked. Cant say i blame him for his silence, but I would not have entered the discussion at all, especially with the suggestive wording used in that post.

Really all I did was ask him his opinion on this incident , why wouldn't we want to hear his opinion as I can remember he always bad mouths the ghetto community's ...you know what it's ok I shouldn't of expected any difference ....

my statement "but I would not have entered the discussion at all, especially with the wording used in that post" was directed at him, not you. to come out and say "hmmmm.....I wonder why" and then refuse to elaborate is asking for flaming.

but people making huge assumptions (not you) because he chooses not to speak up is a bit much.

brianlux

At this point the question is: "What was this discussion about?"

HughFreakingDillon

no kidding.

brianlux

Thank you, Hugh.

We do get off on tangents! Off to work, catch you all on the flip side.

callen

Musky don't like black people. Thinks they are criminals and deserve what they get. And he's a cop. That's the point.

Not making assumptions and would bet he's agreeing with my post as do many here. Hate this pussy footing around.

Through all this just feel so fortunate to be born WMA. Think I'll crank this now. He won the loterrrry.

HughFreakingDillon

callen said:

Musky don't like black people. Thinks they are criminals and deserve what they get. And he's a cop. That's the point.

Not making assumptions and would bet he's agreeing with my post as do many here. Hate this pussy footing around.

Through all this just feel so fortunate to be born WMA. Think I'll crank this now. He won the loterrrry.

well there goes that thread.

callen

HughFreakingDillon said:

callen said:

Musky don't like black people. Thinks they are criminals and deserve what they get. And he's a cop. That's the point.

Not making assumptions and would bet he's agreeing with my post as do many here. Hate this pussy footing around.

Through all this just feel so fortunate to be born WMA. Think I'll crank this now. He won the loterrrry.

well there goes that thread.

Why?

Dirtie_Frank

Here we go. I should just be grateful i was born white and keep my mouth shut. People of color have it way worse than me and I should just be glad I had the opportunities from being white. I am fucking tired of the that bullshit. I worked hard for everything I have. I joined the Army and seen black NCOs favor black soldiers, did that make me not work hard, no it made me work harder. Using white privilege as an excuse is just another crutch that the weak use.

HughFreakingDillon

Dirtie_Frank said:

Here we go. I should just be grateful i was born white and keep my mouth shut. People of color have it way worse than me and I should just be glad I had the opportunities from being white. I am fucking tired of the that bullshit. I worked hard for everything I have. I joined the Army and seen black NCOs favor black soldiers, did that make me not work hard, no it made me work harder. Using white privilege as an excuse is just another crutch that the weak use.

you know, you see a lot of that sentiment where I live with regards to aboriginals. even a local politician basically got his mayoral campaign ruined (and he was the front runner) because his wife posted a rant on facebook very similar to this one.

being born into the situation they are born into is not simply solved by "hard work". there is so much more to it than that.

Dirtie_Frank

HughFreakingDillon said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

Here we go. I should just be grateful i was born white and keep my mouth shut. People of color have it way worse than me and I should just be glad I had the opportunities from being white. I am fucking tired of the that bullshit. I worked hard for everything I have. I joined the Army and seen black NCOs favor black soldiers, did that make me not work hard, no it made me work harder. Using white privilege as an excuse is just another crutch that the weak use.

you know, you see a lot of that sentiment where I live with regards to aboriginals. even a local politician basically got his mayoral campaign ruined (and he was the front runner) because his wife posted a rant on facebook very similar to this one.

being born into the situation they are born into is not simply solved by "hard work". there is so much more to it than that.

I understand that but to say there are not programs and help to get people better is bullshit too. There are opportunities that help people to get ahead. Is it easy, of course not, but nothing is life is easy. You can either be swallowed by the problem or rise above it.

callen

Dirtie_Frank said:

Here we go. I should just be grateful i was born white and keep my mouth shut. People of color have it way worse than me and I should just be glad I had the opportunities from being white. I am fucking tired of the that bullshit. I worked hard for everything I have. I joined the Army and seen black NCOs favor black soldiers, did that make me not work hard, no it made me work harder. Using white privilege as an excuse is just another crutch that the weak use.

Frank yes I've seen the discrimination in Army as you've rightfully pointed out. It is bad.

But if you think for a second you have it as hard as a black male in the US general population, sorry don't know what to say.

I know for a fact I'm treated better by the police. Period
I know I have more opportunities being white.

This thread is about another black man killed by white cop.

HughFreakingDillon

Dirtie_Frank said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

Here we go. I should just be grateful i was born white and keep my mouth shut. People of color have it way worse than me and I should just be glad I had the opportunities from being white. I am fucking tired of the that bullshit. I worked hard for everything I have. I joined the Army and seen black NCOs favor black soldiers, did that make me not work hard, no it made me work harder. Using white privilege as an excuse is just another crutch that the weak use.

you know, you see a lot of that sentiment where I live with regards to aboriginals. even a local politician basically got his mayoral campaign ruined (and he was the front runner) because his wife posted a rant on facebook very similar to this one.

being born into the situation they are born into is not simply solved by "hard work". there is so much more to it than that.

I understand that but to say there are not programs and help to get people better is bullshit too. There are opportunities that help people to get ahead. Is it easy, of course not, but nothing is life is easy. You can either be swallowed by the problem or rise above it.

the programs that are out there are a joke. seriously. a fucking joke. lipstick on a pig. talk to people who have been in the system, and you learn how incredibly difficult it is to utilize those programs, and you understand why they are so underutilized. people think that they don't WANT to be helped, don't want to use those resources, it's just not true.

a guy I work with and went to school with once proclaimed "I have a native guy on my hockey team...he did it, why can't the rest?!". coming from a white upper class guy, that's a fucking joke. he doesn't have a sweet clue. he also thinks more funding for rapid transit is a waste of money. why? oh yeah, he doesn't need the bus. he has a shiney new car that he keeps in his giant new house.

ignorance is bliss.

Dirtie_Frank

How do we make it fair then? Police have an enormously hard job. The shit bag in SC did not, but for the most part cops do the right thing. They are just people, some make mistakes and some abuse their power. We will never have a perfect police force. We just need to make sure when someone fucks up they are handled appropriately, but we also need to give them the benefit of the doubt because when push comes to shove I do not want them second guessing a bad situation.

callen

Dirtie_Frank said:

How do we make it fair then? Police have an enormously hard job. The shit bag in SC did not, but for the most part cops do the right thing. They are just people, some make mistakes and some abuse their power. We will never have a perfect police force. We just need to make sure when someone fucks up they are handled appropriately, but we also need to give them the benefit of the doubt because when push comes to shove I do not want them second guessing a bad situation.

Agree mostly. The doubt though should be narrowed which is happening.

HughFreakingDillon

Dirtie_Frank said:

How do we make it fair then? Police have an enormously hard job. The shit bag in SC did not, but for the most part cops do the right thing. They are just people, some make mistakes and some abuse their power. We will never have a perfect police force. We just need to make sure when someone fucks up they are handled appropriately, but we also need to give them the benefit of the doubt because when push comes to shove I do not want them second guessing a bad situation.

yes, I agree. I have no idea how to make it fair.

in the US, it is getting increasingly difficult to recruit people to become cops. so when you have fewer choices, you can't make the process of becoming one more stringent. I think this is part of the issue. the right people need to be in these positions. they need better pay and stricter guidelines on getting in (psychological being one of them), not to mention STAYING IN. there needs to be an outpouring of PR from the forces to help people believe that police keep them safe, not that they are the enemy. make it a priority INSIDE the force to make sure your cops are psychologically sound.

in Canada, I believe, cops are paid VERY well. like our teachers are. you can't skimp on these professions. they are simply too important for societal health. while the poor don't necessarily have BBQ's with local cops, I don't believe they fear them.

those are but a few suggestions that won't even begin to scratch the surface of repair. But I think it's a start.

badbrains

HughFreakingDillon said:

badbrains said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

brianlux said:

muskydan said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

josevolution said:

I'll ask again as i did on the other thread , when was the last time we saw a white family sitting there asking why was their family member shot dead by a cop , i cant seem to find any ....

HMMMMMM, I wonder why that is….

Well go ahead why don't you say it you seem to have all the answers please enlighten me
Or better yet what do you thing about this incident

No Freakin way!!!! Good luck figuring out this conundrum

Not an answer Dan. You made the comment, let's have some specifics.

No freakin way Brian….I should not have commented cause I would love to hear some answers from Jose question that he seeks…so please carry on

That's all you got for goodness sake your s cop or at least you claim to be one , I asked what do you think about this particular incident ...

No freakin way….I have learned my lesson being honest on here. Besides, Many of you have already established that I am a phony so what does it matter??? Anyhow, carry on and good luck with the answers to your question. I look forward to learning a little something ...

Listen my brother in law is a retired NYPD I hold total respect for the line of work we are all trying to get our heads around this particular incident , how can you just sit there and not give your opinion ....man talk about a no show

In the past when he has, he has been severly flamed and personally attacked. Cant say i blame him for his silence, but I would not have entered the discussion at all, especially with the suggestive wording used in that post.

Hey Hugh, let's be fair here, ya I've attacked him relentlessly. When someone makes a claim about an incident that no one can seem to find anywhere, I'm gonna call them out on it. It amazes me that some of you would actually have an issue with this. And people have seen what this so called public servant thinks about a certain color of people or religion. I'm actually shocked that anyone would find it a problem calling someone out on posts that are supposedly factual but yet no where to be found.

Edit-and to be really fair, I'm pretty much the only guy who's gone on to call him out so if you're gonna point the finger at someone, at least point it at that person directly.

I wasn't saying I had an issue with anything. just stating what I have seen.

as an aside: just because you can't find something on the internet, doesn't mean it didn't happen. A friend of mine is a cop, and he once told me it would make my jaw drop the stuff that the media/police agency doesn't release about criminal activity in the "best interests of society".

Well, in this case hugh, I'm sure faux would've been all over the story and they'd still be talking about it to this day. And I agree, media leaves out a lot of shit. I don't want to derail the thread by giving examples of media bias.

Dirtie_Frank

I understand that there is still a lot of racism. I will not lie I have said some hateful stuff I wish I could have taken back, but we know some words when spoken can't be taken back (sorry I had too ). In the current case there was another disproportionate amount of black cops to population. Just stating that does not make me feel the town has issues. If there was a report that only 10% of black applicants were accepted to become police officers then I would say there is an issue. You are right there needs to be a screening and maybe random follow up screenings to ensure we do not have a psyco with a badge and a gun.

HughFreakingDillon

badbrains said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

badbrains said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

brianlux said:

muskydan said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

josevolution said:

I'll ask again as i did on the other thread , when was the last time we saw a white family sitting there asking why was their family member shot dead by a cop , i cant seem to find any ....

HMMMMMM, I wonder why that is….

Well go ahead why don't you say it you seem to have all the answers please enlighten me
Or better yet what do you thing about this incident

No Freakin way!!!! Good luck figuring out this conundrum

Not an answer Dan. You made the comment, let's have some specifics.

No freakin way Brian….I should not have commented cause I would love to hear some answers from Jose question that he seeks…so please carry on

That's all you got for goodness sake your s cop or at least you claim to be one , I asked what do you think about this particular incident ...

No freakin way….I have learned my lesson being honest on here. Besides, Many of you have already established that I am a phony so what does it matter??? Anyhow, carry on and good luck with the answers to your question. I look forward to learning a little something ...

Listen my brother in law is a retired NYPD I hold total respect for the line of work we are all trying to get our heads around this particular incident , how can you just sit there and not give your opinion ....man talk about a no show

In the past when he has, he has been severly flamed and personally attacked. Cant say i blame him for his silence, but I would not have entered the discussion at all, especially with the suggestive wording used in that post.

Hey Hugh, let's be fair here, ya I've attacked him relentlessly. When someone makes a claim about an incident that no one can seem to find anywhere, I'm gonna call them out on it. It amazes me that some of you would actually have an issue with this. And people have seen what this so called public servant thinks about a certain color of people or religion. I'm actually shocked that anyone would find it a problem calling someone out on posts that are supposedly factual but yet no where to be found.

Edit-and to be really fair, I'm pretty much the only guy who's gone on to call him out so if you're gonna point the finger at someone, at least point it at that person directly.

I wasn't saying I had an issue with anything. just stating what I have seen.

as an aside: just because you can't find something on the internet, doesn't mean it didn't happen. A friend of mine is a cop, and he once told me it would make my jaw drop the stuff that the media/police agency doesn't release about criminal activity in the "best interests of society".

Well, in this case hugh, I'm sure faux would've been all over the story and they'd still be talking about it to this day. And I agree, media leaves out a lot of shit. I don't want to derail the thread by giving examples of media bias.

if faux had even gotten hold of the story.