Visualize clip of cats playing and watching ping pong.
Feel there is blame on both sides. So what are solutions?
Don't police departments that involve the community and clergy do best? Haven't we seen that in LA and other departments after major breakdowns of trust?
Rather than packing up and leaving, working together seems to be the best solution. Protect and serve, not pack up and leave, right?
There are plenty of people in that community who want the cops and I am sure there are plenty of cops who want to help.
Yeah, this schoolboy "I'm going home and I'm taking my ball with me" is not very mature. They are folding their arms and pouting to prove a point (which is indeed being proven) and lives are being lost.
Stick their necks out there without fear because of the overwhelming support they have as they try and do an extremely difficult job?
If this on line community is reflective of society, every time they encounter a challenging situation... if they don't handle it perfectly... people are poised with pitchforks ready to damn them.
The amount of patience and understanding for people engaged in unlawfulness compared to the level we afford police is disproportionate: they have a reason for rioting for (won't use 'thugs') unruly citizens seems to gain more support than he lost control and made bad decisions in a strugglefor a cop dealing with a criminal unwilling to cooperate.
What was Freddy Gray's crime again?
I'm not alluding to that case as much as I am the multiple others where everyone quickly assumes the worst of the officer... and then it is revealed that they weren't as hostile as many eagerly made them out to be.
There are obviously brutal cases that demand justice and accountability; however, it seems as if there is a growing faction that wishes to make every case to hit the media circuit one where the cops are the bad guys no matter what the circumstances. Let's not deny this.
I don't know why I'm bothering but I don't think paying out $6MM over 5 years is an instance of, "a growing faction that wishes to make every case hit the media circuit one where the cops are the bad guys no matter what the circumstances." In fact, I'm willing to bet that most of the cases mentioned in the Baltimore Sun report were quietly settled with no fan fare, press coverage and violations of non-disclosure agreements resulting in diminished payouts. Talk about creating an environment where the police can't, and shouldn't, be respected. Let's not deny that the cops in Baltimore are responsible for the environment that they operate in, in part by the course of their actions.
I'm not alluding to that case as much as I am the multiple others where everyone quickly assumes the worst of the officer... and then it is revealed that they weren't as hostile as many eagerly made them out to be.
If you're not alluding to the Freddie Gray case, which cases are you alluding to?
I don't know why I'm bothering but I don't think paying out $6MM over 5 years is an instance of, "a growing faction that wishes to make every case hit the media circuit one where the cops are the bad guys no matter what the circumstances." In fact, I'm willing to bet that most of the cases mentioned in the Baltimore Sun report were quietly settled with no fan fare, press coverage and violations of non-disclosure agreements resulting in diminished payouts. Talk about creating an environment where the police can't, and shouldn't, be respected. Let's not deny that the cops in Baltimore are responsible for the environment that they operate in, in part by the course of their actions.
I'm not alluding to that case as much as I am the multiple others where everyone quickly assumes the worst of the officer... and then it is revealed that they weren't as hostile as many eagerly made them out to be.
If you're not alluding to the Freddie Gray case, which cases are you alluding to?
Well there was Tamir Rice and John Crawford who were shot on camera with toy guns and were not given the opportunity to comply. There was the San Bernadino County Sheriff Deputy thugs who beat the man mercilessly as he lay face down surrendering. There was Rekia Boyd who was shot from a car by an off-duty police thug who went looking for trouble in the middle of the night. There was Michael Breelo who jumped onto the hood of the car in Cleveland and fired into the windshield at 2 dead people after hundreds of shots were already put in the car. Then there was Freddie Gray who was given the bumpy ride.
Not those cases, just the Michael Brown case. And maybe the one in Wisconsin where an unarmed black man was shot after a "struggle" with no witnesses or corroborating evidence.
Police departments and most companies settle out of court most of the time to keep whatever it is out of the media. Right or wrong. So that figure doesn't really say much.
Police departments and most companies settle out of court most of the time to keep whatever it is out of the media. Right or wrong. So that figure doesn't really say much.
Police departments and most companies settle out of court most of the time to keep whatever it is out of the media. Right or wrong. So that figure doesn't really say much.
So $6MM in out of court settlements doesn't concern you? The injustices the complaintants suffered doesn't concern you? Respect the uni. I get where you're coming from now. Although I knew it earlier but just checking.
So $6MM in out of court settlements doesn't concern you? The injustices the complaintants suffered doesn't concern you? Respect the uni. I get where you're coming from now. Although I knew it earlier but just checking.
As I said, most companies, including police department, will settle out of court most of the time. Right or wrong. I work for a company that is quasi owned by the state of South carolina, and my company would rather settle than go to court. So no, the $6 mil doesn't concern me.
What does concern me is the complete disregard for the police. Nationally. I've said before respect is earned on an individual level. But the profession itself requires some respect. Like it or not. You're not doing it. Somebody has to. Sometimes you get people in there that shouldn't be.
I give no credence to people when they choose to riot. It's not the cops fault they are rioting. Its the cops fault that most wanted to protest. Did the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore achieve anything? I'd say no. The media attention was there already before both riots.
If I walked up to you and suckered punched you and broke your nose, how much would you sue me for?
If me and three of my friends accosted you in a store, pushed you down and beat the crap out of you, how much would you sue me for? How much time in jail would you expect me to serve?
Just wondering.
If a cop did it to you, what would you expect as recompsense?
If I walked up to you and suckered punched you and broke your nose, how much would you sue me for?
If me and three of my friends accosted you in a store, pushed you down and beat the crap out of you, how much would you sue me for? How much time in jail would you expect me to serve?
Just wondering.
If a cop did it to you, what would you expect as recompsense?
"Complete" disregard for the police. Yea, right.
If all you read about is the bad apples, your opinion will certainly be swayed. You read about the 2%. Just keep in mind that the other 98% do good. (Those number came from nowhere, hopefully you see my point.)
So $6MM in out of court settlements doesn't concern you? The injustices the complaintants suffered doesn't concern you? Respect the uni. I get where you're coming from now. Although I knew it earlier but just checking.
As I said, most companies, including police department, will settle out of court most of the time. Right or wrong. I work for a company that is quasi owned by the state of South carolina, and my company would rather settle than go to court. So no, the $6 mil doesn't concern me.
What does concern me is the complete disregard for the police. Nationally. I've said before respect is earned on an individual level. But the profession itself requires some respect. Like it or not. You're not doing it. Somebody has to. Sometimes you get people in there that shouldn't be.
I give no credence to people when they choose to riot. It's not the cops fault they are rioting. Its the cops fault that most wanted to protest. Did the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore achieve anything? I'd say no. The media attention was there already before both riots.
You realize that this country, the good 'ol US of A has a rich history of riots that precipitated and initiated social change, right? Mostly white thugs, right? Which side was South Carolina on during the civil war?
If I walked up to you and suckered punched you and broke your nose, how much would you sue me for?
If me and three of my friends accosted you in a store, pushed you down and beat the crap out of you, how much would you sue me for? How much time in jail would you expect me to serve?
Just wondering.
If a cop did it to you, what would you expect as recompsense?
"Complete" disregard for the police. Yea, right.
If all you read about is the bad apples, your opinion will certainly be swayed. You read about the 2%. Just keep in mind that the other 98% do good. (Those number came from nowhere, hopefully you see my point.)
I love how you project what I think. I don't think all cops are bad just like I don't think all poor people are thugs. But to deny there is a major problem with the baltimore police department, you lose me there. And to think I should "respect" someone just for the work clothes they wear? Or any clothes? Talk about sheeple?
So $6MM in out of court settlements doesn't concern you? The injustices the complaintants suffered doesn't concern you? Respect the uni. I get where you're coming from now. Although I knew it earlier but just checking.
As I said, most companies, including police department, will settle out of court most of the time. Right or wrong. I work for a company that is quasi owned by the state of South carolina, and my company would rather settle than go to court. So no, the $6 mil doesn't concern me.
What does concern me is the complete disregard for the police. Nationally. I've said before respect is earned on an individual level. But the profession itself requires some respect. Like it or not. You're not doing it. Somebody has to. Sometimes you get people in there that shouldn't be.
I give no credence to people when they choose to riot. It's not the cops fault they are rioting. Its the cops fault that most wanted to protest. Did the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore achieve anything? I'd say no. The media attention was there already before both riots.
You realize that this country, the good 'ol US of A has a rich history of riots that precipitated and initiated social change, right? Mostly white thugs, right? Which side was South Carolina on during the civil war?
I'm not sure what south Carolinas involvement in the civil war has to do with this, but to answer you, the losing side.
If I walked up to you and suckered punched you and broke your nose, how much would you sue me for?
If me and three of my friends accosted you in a store, pushed you down and beat the crap out of you, how much would you sue me for? How much time in jail would you expect me to serve?
Just wondering.
If a cop did it to you, what would you expect as recompsense?
"Complete" disregard for the police. Yea, right.
If all you read about is the bad apples, your opinion will certainly be swayed. You read about the 2%. Just keep in mind that the other 98% do good. (Those number came from nowhere, hopefully you see my point.)
I love how you project what I think. I don't think all cops are bad just like I don't think all poor people are thugs. But to deny there is a major problem with the baltimore police department, you lose me there. And to think I should "respect" someone just for the work clothes they wear? Or any clothes? Talk about sheeple?
No, I didn't say for the clothes they wear. The profession itself deserves some respect just as you would respect your veterans. There are certainly bad cops out there. And Baltimore is no different. Your posts have done nothing but put down police departments. You don't single out bad cops, you have said that entire departments need overhauled.
If I walked up to you and suckered punched you and broke your nose, how much would you sue me for?
If me and three of my friends accosted you in a store, pushed you down and beat the crap out of you, how much would you sue me for? How much time in jail would you expect me to serve?
Just wondering.
If a cop did it to you, what would you expect as recompsense?
"Complete" disregard for the police. Yea, right.
If all you read about is the bad apples, your opinion will certainly be swayed. You read about the 2%. Just keep in mind that the other 98% do good. (Those number came from nowhere, hopefully you see my point.)
I love how you project what I think. I don't think all cops are bad just like I don't think all poor people are thugs. But to deny there is a major problem with the baltimore police department, you lose me there. And to think I should "respect" someone just for the work clothes they wear? Or any clothes? Talk about sheeple?
No, I didn't say for the clothes they wear. The profession itself deserves some respect just as you would respect your veterans. There are certainly bad cops out there. And Baltimore is no different. Your posts have done nothing but put down police departments. You don't single out bad cops, you have said that entire departments need overhauled.
Do you respect Bo Bergdahl? For the uniform he wore? Again, just wondering.
And yes, the entire Baltimore police department needs to be overhauled. As does Ferguson's. And Cleveland's. Boston, NYC, Texas that fired the barrel roll amped up guy? Not so much. LA has been though they could still use some work as could Philly. Denver, San Diego, etc. I'm not sure.
As to South Carolina? You're a product of your environment.
If I walked up to you and suckered punched you and broke your nose, how much would you sue me for?
If me and three of my friends accosted you in a store, pushed you down and beat the crap out of you, how much would you sue me for? How much time in jail would you expect me to serve?
Just wondering.
If a cop did it to you, what would you expect as recompsense?
"Complete" disregard for the police. Yea, right.
If all you read about is the bad apples, your opinion will certainly be swayed. You read about the 2%. Just keep in mind that the other 98% do good. (Those number came from nowhere, hopefully you see my point.)
I love how you project what I think. I don't think all cops are bad just like I don't think all poor people are thugs. But to deny there is a major problem with the baltimore police department, you lose me there. And to think I should "respect" someone just for the work clothes they wear? Or any clothes? Talk about sheeple?
No, I didn't say for the clothes they wear. The profession itself deserves some respect just as you would respect your veterans. There are certainly bad cops out there. And Baltimore is no different. Your posts have done nothing but put down police departments. You don't single out bad cops, you have said that entire departments need overhauled.
Do you respect Bo Bergdahl? For the uniform he wore? Again, just wondering.
And yes, the entire Baltimore police department needs to be overhauled. As does Ferguson's. And Cleveland's. Boston, NYC, Texas that fired the barrel roll amped up guy? Not so much. LA has been though they could still use some work as could Philly. Denver, San Diego, etc. I'm not sure.
As to South Carolina? You're a product of your environment.
I was born and raised in Northwest indiana. About 35 minutes south of chicago. Lived there for over 22 years. So no, I'm not anything like the most from the south.
I guess you keep over looking when I say respect is earned INDIVIDUALLY. The profession deserves respect.
Does the profession "deserve" respect or is it earned? Personally, where I live and where I have lived, it's been earned. I'm not blindly respecting someone because of their profession. But for cops, especially? They earn my respect based on individual actions, even if I'm being a dick toward them. They're supposed to be professionals at my service. Treat me with respect, I'll treat you with respect. Act like a dick? Expect to be treated like a dick. Because they carry a gun, wear a badge and have powers of arrest, doesn't give them blanket respect or a pass on being a "dick."
I'm willing to bet that you "identify" more with Musky than with me, yes?
Does the profession "deserve" respect or is it earned? Personally, where I live and where I have lived, it's been earned. I'm not blindly respecting someone because of their profession. But for cops, especially? They earn my respect based on individual actions, even if I'm being a dick toward them. They're supposed to be professionals at my service. Treat me with respect, I'll treat you with respect. Act like a dick? Expect to be treated like a dick. Because they carry a gun, wear a badge and have powers of arrest, doesn't give them blanket respect or a pass on being a "dick."
I'm willing to bet that you "identify" more with Musky than with me, yes?
Nobody is saying it is. At this point you are refusing to even acknowledge what I'm saying. For about the 4th time today, respect is earned individually. Why do you pull over when you see blue or even red lights? Why do you find yourself saying yes sir and no sir if you don't typically say sir or ma'am? Not just because you want to talk your way out of a ticket. It's because deep down inside, you have repeat for the profession. Because you know deep down that this cop has to take time out of his day to write you a ticket instead of doing something more important.
Has there been a time when you have gotten a ticket and wasn't mad? It was probably because of the cop. My point has been and always will be that police, fire, ems, military as a whole, deserves respect.
I've disagreed with most of what musky has posted in the past. If you don't believe me, ask nart. Or dont. Either way, that is the second time you've tried to pin some kind of label on me. Instead of arguing simply to argue, read what I am saying. Because it obvious to me that you're not.
If I walked up to you and suckered punched you and broke your nose, how much would you sue me for?
If me and three of my friends accosted you in a store, pushed you down and beat the crap out of you, how much would you sue me for? How much time in jail would you expect me to serve?
Just wondering.
If a cop did it to you, what would you expect as recompsense?
"Complete" disregard for the police. Yea, right.
If all you read about is the bad apples, your opinion will certainly be swayed. You read about the 2%. Just keep in mind that the other 98% do good. (Those number came from nowhere, hopefully you see my point.)
I love how you project what I think. I don't think all cops are bad just like I don't think all poor people are thugs. But to deny there is a major problem with the baltimore police department, you lose me there. And to think I should "respect" someone just for the work clothes they wear? Or any clothes? Talk about sheeple?
No, I didn't say for the clothes they wear. The profession itself deserves some respect just as you would respect your veterans. There are certainly bad cops out there. And Baltimore is no different. Your posts have done nothing but put down police departments. You don't single out bad cops, you have said that entire departments need overhauled.
If one guy in an office is robbing the company blind, or one guy on a work crew is cutting corners and making major safety violations, and everybody else knows bout it, do they not deserve consequences as well for failing to do something about it?
If one guy is sexually harassing or assaulting another employee and nobody speaks up or acts, is that not an issue? You suggest we simply single out the bad eggs and ignore the complicit ones? That's not OK with me.
Nor are you reading what I've said or read the links to articles. If the police of Baltimore respected their citizens they wouldn't be viewed as dicks. Why do you think they instinctively run when approached by the police? You'd like to think if they just reacted with yes sir no sir all would be fine. Except it isn't like that. They get a beat down regardless. $6mm in payouts illustrates that. And that's just what we know. And you think because it's typical of corporate and semi municipalities that it's just fine. Youre indifferent to it. If these were white neighborhoods experiencing this type of systemic injustice, we'd never hear the end of it. Yet to you, no big deal. Let me guess, you're white? Yet because of their profession, uniform or doing a dangerous job you expect blanket respect? That's misguided. I haven't had a ticket or any personal interaction with a cop since 1995. And yes, I pull over when I see flashing lights because someone's life may depend on it and it's the law. Not because I respect the potential dick behind the wheel.
Does the profession "deserve" respect or is it earned? Personally, where I live and where I have lived, it's been earned. I'm not blindly respecting someone because of their profession. But for cops, especially? They earn my respect based on individual actions, even if I'm being a dick toward them. They're supposed to be professionals at my service. Treat me with respect, I'll treat you with respect. Act like a dick? Expect to be treated like a dick. Because they carry a gun, wear a badge and have powers of arrest, doesn't give them blanket respect or a pass on being a "dick."
I'm willing to bet that you "identify" more with Musky than with me, yes?
There are different forms of respect.
If you don't respect something for the potential it carries... then you might be considered foolhardy.
In Canada, we are taught to respect wildlife: don't go piss off the neighbourhood black bear or it might turn on you and, well, that wouldn't be very good for you. Most people follow this rule of thumb and guess what? Black bear attacks are extremely rare- I can't even recall one to be honest. When people encounter the bears in our area- 5 or 6 times a year for me on foot- we respect the bears and tread very carefully.
Respect goes beyond animals. For example, Chris McCandless never respected Alaska.
A man with a gun and tool belt full of items designed to hurt you strikes me as the type of thing people should respect on the level I speak of. One might think to themselves, "This pig sucks and I bet he's a racist that wants to beat someone down"... but just think it. Don't go poke the bear thinking everything is going to be cool or that you're just as tough as it.
At a bare minimum, respect the potential threat to yourself. If one doesn't and ends up biting off more than they can chew... well sorry... they're an idiot.
And I'll head the 'comparing police to bears' rebuttal at the pass. If it wasn't obvious enough... I'm speaking to idiots that place themselves at risk because the don't 'respect' something they should.
Does the profession "deserve" respect or is it earned? Personally, where I live and where I have lived, it's been earned. I'm not blindly respecting someone because of their profession. But for cops, especially? They earn my respect based on individual actions, even if I'm being a dick toward them. They're supposed to be professionals at my service. Treat me with respect, I'll treat you with respect. Act like a dick? Expect to be treated like a dick. Because they carry a gun, wear a badge and have powers of arrest, doesn't give them blanket respect or a pass on being a "dick."
I'm willing to bet that you "identify" more with Musky than with me, yes?
There are different forms of respect.
If you don't respect something for the potential it carries... then you might be considered foolhardy.
In Canada, we are taught to respect wildlife: don't go piss off the neighbourhood black bear or it might turn on you and, well, that wouldn't be very good for you. Most people follow this rule of thumb and guess what? Black bear attacks are extremely rare- I can't even recall one to be honest. When people encounter the bears in our area- 5 or 6 times a year for me on foot- we respect the bears and tread very carefully.
Respect goes beyond animals. For example, Chris McCandless never respected Alaska.
A man with a gun and tool belt full of items designed to hurt you strikes me as the type of thing people should respect on the level I speak of. One might think to themselves, "This pig sucks and I bet he's a racist that wants to beat someone down"... but just think it. Don't go poke the bear thinking everything is going to be cool or that you're just as tough as it.
At a bare minimum, respect the potential threat to yourself. If one doesn't and ends up biting off more than they can chew... well sorry... they're an idiot.
And I'll head the 'comparing police to bears' rebuttal at the pass. If it wasn't obvious enough... I'm speaking to idiots that place themselves at risk because the don't 'respect' something they should.
Does the profession "deserve" respect or is it earned? Personally, where I live and where I have lived, it's been earned. I'm not blindly respecting someone because of their profession. But for cops, especially? They earn my respect based on individual actions, even if I'm being a dick toward them. They're supposed to be professionals at my service. Treat me with respect, I'll treat you with respect. Act like a dick? Expect to be treated like a dick. Because they carry a gun, wear a badge and have powers of arrest, doesn't give them blanket respect or a pass on being a "dick."
I'm willing to bet that you "identify" more with Musky than with me, yes?
There are different forms of respect.
If you don't respect something for the potential it carries... then you might be considered foolhardy.
In Canada, we are taught to respect wildlife: don't go piss off the neighbourhood black bear or it might turn on you and, well, that wouldn't be very good for you. Most people follow this rule of thumb and guess what? Black bear attacks are extremely rare- I can't even recall one to be honest. When people encounter the bears in our area- 5 or 6 times a year for me on foot- we respect the bears and tread very carefully.
Respect goes beyond animals. For example, Chris McCandless never respected Alaska.
A man with a gun and tool belt full of items designed to hurt you strikes me as the type of thing people should respect on the level I speak of. One might think to themselves, "This pig sucks and I bet he's a racist that wants to beat someone down"... but just think it. Don't go poke the bear thinking everything is going to be cool or that you're just as tough as it.
At a bare minimum, respect the potential threat to yourself. If one doesn't and ends up biting off more than they can chew... well sorry... they're an idiot.
And I'll head the 'comparing police to bears' rebuttal at the pass. If it wasn't obvious enough... I'm speaking to idiots that place themselves at risk because the don't 'respect' something they should.
What was Freddie gray's crime again?
I'm not going to defend every police action and certainly won't defend this case. You can look through the Tamir Rice thread and the Kelly Thomas threads as evidence for this assertion. I'm not ignorant and can certainly acknowledge police brutality when it presents itself.
However, I'm not so set in my beliefs to completely ignore the fact patterns in other cases to persist with my condemnations of the police regardless of circumstances. I can point you to where I've been critical of the police. Can you show me where you have not other than throwing around lame disclaimers after bashing the profession in the teeth (likely recognizing the need to after spewing such venom as you do at times).
Why are you chiming in on a thread mocking someone for seeing things as black and white? Whether good or bad, as far as I can tell... this is your modus operandi.
Does the profession "deserve" respect or is it earned? Personally, where I live and where I have lived, it's been earned. I'm not blindly respecting someone because of their profession. But for cops, especially? They earn my respect based on individual actions, even if I'm being a dick toward them. They're supposed to be professionals at my service. Treat me with respect, I'll treat you with respect. Act like a dick? Expect to be treated like a dick. Because they carry a gun, wear a badge and have powers of arrest, doesn't give them blanket respect or a pass on being a "dick."
I'm willing to bet that you "identify" more with Musky than with me, yes?
There are different forms of respect.
If you don't respect something for the potential it carries... then you might be considered foolhardy.
In Canada, we are taught to respect wildlife: don't go piss off the neighbourhood black bear or it might turn on you and, well, that wouldn't be very good for you. Most people follow this rule of thumb and guess what? Black bear attacks are extremely rare- I can't even recall one to be honest. When people encounter the bears in our area- 5 or 6 times a year for me on foot- we respect the bears and tread very carefully.
Respect goes beyond animals. For example, Chris McCandless never respected Alaska.
A man with a gun and tool belt full of items designed to hurt you strikes me as the type of thing people should respect on the level I speak of. One might think to themselves, "This pig sucks and I bet he's a racist that wants to beat someone down"... but just think it. Don't go poke the bear thinking everything is going to be cool or that you're just as tough as it.
At a bare minimum, respect the potential threat to yourself. If one doesn't and ends up biting off more than they can chew... well sorry... they're an idiot.
And I'll head the 'comparing police to bears' rebuttal at the pass. If it wasn't obvious enough... I'm speaking to idiots that place themselves at risk because the don't 'respect' something they should.
What was Freddie gray's crime again?
I'm not going to defend every police action and certainly won't defend this case. You can look through the Tamir Rice thread and the Kelly Thomas threads as evidence for this assertion. I'm not ignorant and can certainly acknowledge police brutality when it presents itself.
However, I'm not so set in my beliefs to completely ignore the fact patterns in other cases to persist with my condemnations of the police regardless of circumstances. I can point you to where I've been critical of the police. Can you show me where you have not other than throwing around lame disclaimers after bashing the profession in the teeth (likely recognizing the need to after spewing such venom as you do at times).
Why are you chiming in on a thread mocking someone for seeing things as black and white? Whether good or bad, as far as I can tell... this is your modus operandi.
Are you equating your experience in Costa Rica with the day to day experience of the residents of Baltimore and their reality with their police force? Really? Was it a Costa Rican cop that attacked you? As for your views in the Kelly Thomas thread, I couldn't find it in 10 pages of searching. Different title? Care to link it so I can research your views? As for Tamir Rice, yes you sympathized but you also think, "cops are awesome." Correct me if I'm wrong.
What other "fact patterns" do you refer? Where have I been non-critical of the police? Well, read back a few pages. And what "lame disclaimers" have I thrown around? I've linked to several different articles that, until someone else can dispute, are fact based. You've offered some analogy of not poking a bear. Makes no sense to me. Please point me to my mockery of "black and white" as I believe this thread is titled, "police abuse." And what do you think is my, "modus operandi?" Where have I condemned the police in all cases? Regardless of circumstances? You're asking me to prove something I never said? Thanks for the Rumsfeldian speak. Nice tactic.
I never said you were ignorant but thanks for insinuating that You think I think that of you.
And you're completely dismissing the thugs in Blue as an excuse for the riots. Guess we're even.
Not even at all really. You're still blaming someone else for the actions of others.
You live in a very black and white world. No nuance, little intellectual curiosity.
You're wasting your time Halifax.
Yup, you're right, I am. It's like faceturd.
You 2 have made a day at jabbing at me. It's ok. You can think my intellectual curiosity is low and I am a product of where I live all you want. I've read your links and your opinion articles. I've directly responded to your posts. So keep thinking I'm a dumb hillbilly from a repressed state all while you dodge every one of my points.
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There are obviously brutal cases that demand justice and accountability; however, it seems as if there is a growing faction that wishes to make every case to hit the media circuit one where the cops are the bad guys no matter what the circumstances. Let's not deny this.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2015/06/11/maybe-throw-rock-cvs-too/GQrIV5WLBiePuRUzSeyrtN/story.html?p1=feature_stack_6_hp
I'm not alluding to that case as much as I am the multiple others where everyone quickly assumes the worst of the officer... and then it is revealed that they weren't as hostile as many eagerly made them out to be.
If you're not alluding to the Freddie Gray case, which cases are you alluding to?
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Not those cases, just the Michael Brown case.
And maybe the one in Wisconsin where an unarmed black man was shot after a "struggle" with no witnesses or corroborating evidence.
Still collecting checks on paid administrative leave.
Consequences...there should be some.
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What does concern me is the complete disregard for the police. Nationally. I've said before respect is earned on an individual level. But the profession itself requires some respect. Like it or not. You're not doing it. Somebody has to. Sometimes you get people in there that shouldn't be.
I give no credence to people when they choose to riot. It's not the cops fault they are rioting. Its the cops fault that most wanted to protest. Did the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore achieve anything? I'd say no. The media attention was there already before both riots.
If me and three of my friends accosted you in a store, pushed you down and beat the crap out of you, how much would you sue me for? How much time in jail would you expect me to serve?
Just wondering.
If a cop did it to you, what would you expect as recompsense?
"Complete" disregard for the police. Yea, right.
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And yes, the entire Baltimore police department needs to be overhauled. As does Ferguson's. And Cleveland's. Boston, NYC, Texas that fired the barrel roll amped up guy? Not so much. LA has been though they could still use some work as could Philly. Denver, San Diego, etc. I'm not sure.
As to South Carolina? You're a product of your environment.
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I guess you keep over looking when I say respect is earned INDIVIDUALLY. The profession deserves respect.
I'm willing to bet that you "identify" more with Musky than with me, yes?
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Has there been a time when you have gotten a ticket and wasn't mad? It was probably because of the cop. My point has been and always will be that police, fire, ems, military as a whole, deserves respect.
I've disagreed with most of what musky has posted in the past. If you don't believe me, ask nart. Or dont. Either way, that is the second time you've tried to pin some kind of label on me. Instead of arguing simply to argue, read what I am saying. Because it obvious to me that you're not.
If one guy is sexually harassing or assaulting another employee and nobody speaks up or acts, is that not an issue?
You suggest we simply single out the bad eggs and ignore the complicit ones?
That's not OK with me.
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If you don't respect something for the potential it carries... then you might be considered foolhardy.
In Canada, we are taught to respect wildlife: don't go piss off the neighbourhood black bear or it might turn on you and, well, that wouldn't be very good for you. Most people follow this rule of thumb and guess what? Black bear attacks are extremely rare- I can't even recall one to be honest. When people encounter the bears in our area- 5 or 6 times a year for me on foot- we respect the bears and tread very carefully.
Respect goes beyond animals. For example, Chris McCandless never respected Alaska.
A man with a gun and tool belt full of items designed to hurt you strikes me as the type of thing people should respect on the level I speak of. One might think to themselves, "This pig sucks and I bet he's a racist that wants to beat someone down"... but just think it. Don't go poke the bear thinking everything is going to be cool or that you're just as tough as it.
At a bare minimum, respect the potential threat to yourself. If one doesn't and ends up biting off more than they can chew... well sorry... they're an idiot.
And I'll head the 'comparing police to bears' rebuttal at the pass. If it wasn't obvious enough... I'm speaking to idiots that place themselves at risk because the don't 'respect' something they should.
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However, I'm not so set in my beliefs to completely ignore the fact patterns in other cases to persist with my condemnations of the police regardless of circumstances. I can point you to where I've been critical of the police. Can you show me where you have not other than throwing around lame disclaimers after bashing the profession in the teeth (likely recognizing the need to after spewing such venom as you do at times).
Why are you chiming in on a thread mocking someone for seeing things as black and white? Whether good or bad, as far as I can tell... this is your modus operandi.
For a later discussion.
Are you equating your experience in Costa Rica with the day to day experience of the residents of Baltimore and their reality with their police force? Really? Was it a Costa Rican cop that attacked you? As for your views in the Kelly Thomas thread, I couldn't find it in 10 pages of searching. Different title? Care to link it so I can research your views? As for Tamir Rice, yes you sympathized but you also think, "cops are awesome." Correct me if I'm wrong.
What other "fact patterns" do you refer? Where have I been non-critical of the police? Well, read back a few pages. And what "lame disclaimers" have I thrown around? I've linked to several different articles that, until someone else can dispute, are fact based. You've offered some analogy of not poking a bear. Makes no sense to me. Please point me to my mockery of "black and white" as I believe this thread is titled, "police abuse." And what do you think is my, "modus operandi?" Where have I condemned the police in all cases? Regardless of circumstances? You're asking me to prove something I never said? Thanks for the Rumsfeldian speak. Nice tactic.
I never said you were ignorant but thanks for insinuating that You think I think that of you.
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From page 1 of this thread.
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