Visualize clip of cats playing and watching ping pong.
Feel there is blame on both sides. So what are solutions?
Don't police departments that involve the community and clergy do best? Haven't we seen that in LA and other departments after major breakdowns of trust?
Rather than packing up and leaving, working together seems to be the best solution. Protect and serve, not pack up and leave, right?
There are plenty of people in that community who want the cops and I am sure there are plenty of cops who want to help.
And you're completely dismissing the thugs in Blue as an excuse for the riots. Guess we're even.
Not even at all really. You're still blaming someone else for the actions of others.
You live in a very black and white world. No nuance, little intellectual curiosity.
You're wasting your time Halifax.
Pointing at the police as being the underlying cause of the situation in Baltimore is very black and white. It is also absolutely incorrect.
POVERTY, not police, is the underlying cause of the riots, of the drug trade, of the conflict with police. When we eliminate poverty we will eliminate the problems that plague Baltimore today.
Digin, felt same way about your position on pool party. I've been strong proponent for holding police accountable for their actions and floors me some aren't punished. I do though see their side and how the police are left cleaning up societies dirt. Guns, economic disparity, dealing with the shit of society.
We need solutions versus finger pointing.
Think advent of everyone having a camera is great and is making a difference. We though can't curtail police to protect yhe
Visualize clip of cats playing and watching ping pong.
Feel there is blame on both sides. So what are solutions?
Don't police departments that involve the community and clergy do best? Haven't we seen that in LA and other departments after major breakdowns of trust?
Rather than packing up and leaving, working together seems to be the best solution. Protect and serve, not pack up and leave, right?
There are plenty of people in that community who want the cops and I am sure there are plenty of cops who want to help.
Visualize clip of cats playing and watching ping pong.
Feel there is blame on both sides. So what are solutions?
Don't police departments that involve the community and clergy do best? Haven't we seen that in LA and other departments after major breakdowns of trust?
Rather than packing up and leaving, working together seems to be the best solution. Protect and serve, not pack up and leave, right?
There are plenty of people in that community who want the cops and I am sure there are plenty of cops who want to help.
Yeah, this schoolboy "I'm going home and I'm taking my ball with me" is not very mature. They are folding their arms and pouting to prove a point (which is indeed being proven) and lives are being lost.
And you're completely dismissing the thugs in Blue as an excuse for the riots. Guess we're even.
Not even at all really. You're still blaming someone else for the actions of others.
You live in a very black and white world. No nuance, little intellectual curiosity.
You're wasting your time Halifax.
Pointing at the police as being the underlying cause of the situation in Baltimore is very black and white. It is also absolutely incorrect.
POVERTY, not police, is the underlying cause of the riots, of the drug trade, of the conflict with police. When we eliminate poverty we will eliminate the problems that plague Baltimore today.
You honestly don't think a proven record of police abuse was an underlying cause of unrest over a police abuse case? Seems obtuse to me.
Why is it the cops in England or Western Europe aren't having these issues. It's not because they are smarter. They have easier population to control. And one that's not packing.
And you're completely dismissing the thugs in Blue as an excuse for the riots. Guess we're even.
Not even at all really. You're still blaming someone else for the actions of others.
You live in a very black and white world. No nuance, little intellectual curiosity.
You're wasting your time Halifax.
Pointing at the police as being the underlying cause of the situation in Baltimore is very black and white. It is also absolutely incorrect.
POVERTY, not police, is the underlying cause of the riots, of the drug trade, of the conflict with police. When we eliminate poverty we will eliminate the problems that plague Baltimore today.
You honestly don't think a proven record of police abuse was an underlying cause of unrest over a police abuse case? Seems obtuse to me.
Now it's "an" underlying cause? I disagreed with it being "the" underlying cause. Let's be honest about what has been said.
And you're completely dismissing the thugs in Blue as an excuse for the riots. Guess we're even.
Not even at all really. You're still blaming someone else for the actions of others.
You live in a very black and white world. No nuance, little intellectual curiosity.
You're wasting your time Halifax.
Pointing at the police as being the underlying cause of the situation in Baltimore is very black and white. It is also absolutely incorrect.
POVERTY, not police, is the underlying cause of the riots, of the drug trade, of the conflict with police. When we eliminate poverty we will eliminate the problems that plague Baltimore today.
You honestly don't think a proven record of police abuse was an underlying cause of unrest over a police abuse case? Seems obtuse to me.
Now it's "an" underlying cause? I disagreed with it being "the" underlying cause. Let's be honest about what has been said.
Quit playing semantics. That is part of the argument.
And you're completely dismissing the thugs in Blue as an excuse for the riots. Guess we're even.
Not even at all really. You're still blaming someone else for the actions of others.
You live in a very black and white world. No nuance, little intellectual curiosity.
You're wasting your time Halifax.
Pointing at the police as being the underlying cause of the situation in Baltimore is very black and white. It is also absolutely incorrect.
POVERTY, not police, is the underlying cause of the riots, of the drug trade, of the conflict with police. When we eliminate poverty we will eliminate the problems that plague Baltimore today.
You honestly don't think a proven record of police abuse was an underlying cause of unrest over a police abuse case? Seems obtuse to me.
Now it's "an" underlying cause? I disagreed with it being "the" underlying cause. Let's be honest about what has been said.
Quit playing semantics. That is part of the argument.
It's not semantics, those are two very different statements. Does police behavior play a role in Baltimore? Absolutely. Is it "the underlying cause" of the troubles there? Absolutely not.
The cops that aren't doing their jobs should be fired. Where else can you not do your job and remain in it?
Congress. Most government jobs. Many union jobs.
Guess I should have qualified my question a little further, where else can you randomly assault people, break bones, open wounds requiring stitches and still keep your job? Congress might still be true.
And you're completely dismissing the thugs in Blue as an excuse for the riots. Guess we're even.
Not even at all really. You're still blaming someone else for the actions of others.
You live in a very black and white world. No nuance, little intellectual curiosity.
You're wasting your time Halifax.
Pointing at the police as being the underlying cause of the situation in Baltimore is very black and white. It is also absolutely incorrect.
POVERTY, not police, is the underlying cause of the riots, of the drug trade, of the conflict with police. When we eliminate poverty we will eliminate the problems that plague Baltimore today.
You honestly don't think a proven record of police abuse was an underlying cause of unrest over a police abuse case? Seems obtuse to me.
Now it's "an" underlying cause? I disagreed with it being "the" underlying cause. Let's be honest about what has been said.
Quit playing semantics. That is part of the argument.
It's not semantics, those are two very different statements. Does police behavior play a role in Baltimore? Absolutely. Is it "the underlying cause" of the troubles there? Absolutely not.
There are people living in poverty, with a gang/drug culture surrounding them and a lack of educational and job opportunities all over this country and they're not rioting. Maybe if the cops in Baltimore didn't randomly assault people for no reason for the at least five years, maybe longer, culminating in the death of the bumpy ride kid, and treated the citizens they swore to "serve and protect" with respect and dignity, the riots wouldn't have happened. Can any of you admit that the police mistreatment of the residents of Baltimore was at least a "contributing factor" or "under lying cause" to the riots or is it all due to collective "individual responsibility?"
Visualize clip of cats playing and watching ping pong.
Feel there is blame on both sides. So what are solutions?
Don't police departments that involve the community and clergy do best? Haven't we seen that in LA and other departments after major breakdowns of trust?
Rather than packing up and leaving, working together seems to be the best solution. Protect and serve, not pack up and leave, right?
There are plenty of people in that community who want the cops and I am sure there are plenty of cops who want to help.
Yeah, this schoolboy "I'm going home and I'm taking my ball with me" is not very mature. They are folding their arms and pouting to prove a point (which is indeed being proven) and lives are being lost.
Stick their necks out there without fear because of the overwhelming support they have as they try and do an extremely difficult job?
If this on line community is reflective of society, every time they encounter a challenging situation... if they don't handle it perfectly... people are poised with pitchforks ready to damn them.
The amount of patience and understanding for people engaged in unlawfulness compared to the level we afford police is disproportionate: they have a reason for rioting for (won't use 'thugs') unruly citizens seems to gain more support than he lost control and made bad decisions in a struggle for a cop dealing with a criminal unwilling to cooperate.
Visualize clip of cats playing and watching ping pong.
Feel there is blame on both sides. So what are solutions?
Don't police departments that involve the community and clergy do best? Haven't we seen that in LA and other departments after major breakdowns of trust?
Rather than packing up and leaving, working together seems to be the best solution. Protect and serve, not pack up and leave, right?
There are plenty of people in that community who want the cops and I am sure there are plenty of cops who want to help.
Yeah, this schoolboy "I'm going home and I'm taking my ball with me" is not very mature. They are folding their arms and pouting to prove a point (which is indeed being proven) and lives are being lost.
Stick their necks out there without fear because of the overwhelming support they have as they try and do an extremely difficult job?
If this on line community is reflective of society, every time they encounter a challenging situation... if they don't handle it perfectly... people are poised with pitchforks ready to damn them.
The amount of patience and understanding for people engaged in unlawfulness compared to the level we afford police is disproportionate: they have a reason for rioting for (won't use 'thugs') unruly citizens seems to gain more support than he lost control and made bad decisions in a struggle for a cop dealing with a criminal unwilling to cooperate.
Visualize clip of cats playing and watching ping pong.
Feel there is blame on both sides. So what are solutions?
Don't police departments that involve the community and clergy do best? Haven't we seen that in LA and other departments after major breakdowns of trust?
Rather than packing up and leaving, working together seems to be the best solution. Protect and serve, not pack up and leave, right?
There are plenty of people in that community who want the cops and I am sure there are plenty of cops who want to help.
Yeah, this schoolboy "I'm going home and I'm taking my ball with me" is not very mature. They are folding their arms and pouting to prove a point (which is indeed being proven) and lives are being lost.
Stick their necks out there without fear because of the overwhelming support they have as they try and do an extremely difficult job?
If this on line community is reflective of society, every time they encounter a challenging situation... if they don't handle it perfectly... people are poised with pitchforks ready to damn them.
The amount of patience and understanding for people engaged in unlawfulness compared to the level we afford police is disproportionate: they have a reason for rioting for (won't use 'thugs') unruly citizens seems to gain more support than he lost control and made bad decisions in a struggle for a cop dealing with a criminal unwilling to cooperate.
The difference is consequence. Citizens are expected to face consequences and police should be expected to as well. Don't want to stick your neck out? That's fine, quit, but don't collect a paycheck for a job you refuse to do. Riot and loot? You should go to jail, everyone agrees with that. Lose control and make bad decisions, (ins struggle lol, funny how you add a little qualifier that absolves officers, even those who CREATE struggles from nothing) you should lose your job. But not everyone agrees with that one, do they?
Visualize clip of cats playing and watching ping pong.
Feel there is blame on both sides. So what are solutions?
Don't police departments that involve the community and clergy do best? Haven't we seen that in LA and other departments after major breakdowns of trust?
Rather than packing up and leaving, working together seems to be the best solution. Protect and serve, not pack up and leave, right?
There are plenty of people in that community who want the cops and I am sure there are plenty of cops who want to help.
Yeah, this schoolboy "I'm going home and I'm taking my ball with me" is not very mature. They are folding their arms and pouting to prove a point (which is indeed being proven) and lives are being lost.
Stick their necks out there without fear because of the overwhelming support they have as they try and do an extremely difficult job?
If this on line community is reflective of society, every time they encounter a challenging situation... if they don't handle it perfectly... people are poised with pitchforks ready to damn them.
The amount of patience and understanding for people engaged in unlawfulness compared to the level we afford police is disproportionate: they have a reason for rioting for (won't use 'thugs') unruly citizens seems to gain more support than he lost control and made bad decisions in a strugglefor a cop dealing with a criminal unwilling to cooperate.
And you're completely dismissing the thugs in Blue as an excuse for the riots. Guess we're even.
Not even at all really. You're still blaming someone else for the actions of others.
You live in a very black and white world. No nuance, little intellectual curiosity.
You're wasting your time Halifax.
Pointing at the police as being the underlying cause of the situation in Baltimore is very black and white. It is also absolutely incorrect.
POVERTY, not police, is the underlying cause of the riots, of the drug trade, of the conflict with police. When we eliminate poverty we will eliminate the problems that plague Baltimore today.
You honestly don't think a proven record of police abuse was an underlying cause of unrest over a police abuse case? Seems obtuse to me.
Now it's "an" underlying cause? I disagreed with it being "the" underlying cause. Let's be honest about what has been said.
Quit playing semantics. That is part of the argument.
It's not semantics, those are two very different statements. Does police behavior play a role in Baltimore? Absolutely. Is it "the underlying cause" of the troubles there? Absolutely not.
There are people living in poverty, with a gang/drug culture surrounding them and a lack of educational and job opportunities all over this country and they're not rioting. Maybe if the cops in Baltimore didn't randomly assault people for no reason for the at least five years, maybe longer, culminating in the death of the bumpy ride kid, and treated the citizens they swore to "serve and protect" with respect and dignity, the riots wouldn't have happened. Can any of you admit that the police mistreatment of the residents of Baltimore was at least a "contributing factor" or "under lying cause" to the riots or is it all due to collective "individual responsibility?"
When a city has deteriorated to the point that there are more than fifty murders in less than a month and a half, we all need to admit that the police in that city have an unbelievably difficult job. The police didn't create the drug culture that leads to so much violence. Given that, I don't agree that the police in Baltimore have "randomly" assaulted people for the last five years. I think that is an unfair description that completely ignores the realities they face everyday.
The death of Freddie Gray absolutely contributed to the riots. However, you argued that the police were the underlying cause of the riots and that if anyone disagreed there was no reason for any further discussion. You are wrong on both points. Gray's death didn't create the problems there. Neither did police behavior. Poverty did, and it absolutely should be discussed. It's easy to ignore that, but simply pointing a finger at the police will not fix Baltimore.
Callen, I would argue that throwing around a teenage girl who is not a threat, while she was walking away.....for backtalking...was wrong. That is black and white to me. While others here see nuance in that, I see none. And the police chief of his department agrees with me.
I would also argue that there is plenty of nuance as to why the riots in Baltimore happened. Not just the black and white view that thugs were out to loot and burn.
I also think we need to expose the problems (sometimes that includes finding blame) before we can find solutions.
And you're completely dismissing the thugs in Blue as an excuse for the riots. Guess we're even.
Not even at all really. You're still blaming someone else for the actions of others.
You live in a very black and white world. No nuance, little intellectual curiosity.
You're wasting your time Halifax.
Pointing at the police as being the underlying cause of the situation in Baltimore is very black and white. It is also absolutely incorrect.
POVERTY, not police, is the underlying cause of the riots, of the drug trade, of the conflict with police. When we eliminate poverty we will eliminate the problems that plague Baltimore today.
You honestly don't think a proven record of police abuse was an underlying cause of unrest over a police abuse case? Seems obtuse to me.
Now it's "an" underlying cause? I disagreed with it being "the" underlying cause. Let's be honest about what has been said.
Quit playing semantics. That is part of the argument.
It's not semantics, those are two very different statements. Does police behavior play a role in Baltimore? Absolutely. Is it "the underlying cause" of the troubles there? Absolutely not.
There are people living in poverty, with a gang/drug culture surrounding them and a lack of educational and job opportunities all over this country and they're not rioting. Maybe if the cops in Baltimore didn't randomly assault people for no reason for the at least five years, maybe longer, culminating in the death of the bumpy ride kid, and treated the citizens they swore to "serve and protect" with respect and dignity, the riots wouldn't have happened. Can any of you admit that the police mistreatment of the residents of Baltimore was at least a "contributing factor" or "under lying cause" to the riots or is it all due to collective "individual responsibility?"
When a city has deteriorated to the point that there are more than fifty murders in less than a month and a half, we all need to admit that the police in that city have an unbelievably difficult job. The police didn't create the drug culture that leads to so much violence. Given that, I don't agree that the police in Baltimore have "randomly" assaulted people for the last five years. I think that is an unfair description that completely ignores the realities they face everyday.
The death of Freddie Gray absolutely contributed to the riots. However, you argued that the police were the underlying cause of the riots and that if anyone disagreed there was no reason for any further discussion. You are wrong on both points. Gray's death didn't create the problems there. Neither did police behavior. Poverty did, and it absolutely should be discussed. It's easy to ignore that, but simply pointing a finger at the police will not fix Baltimore.
Did you read the Baltimore Sun piece on the $6MM in payouts in the past 5 years? Does poverty and a violent drug culture exist in other cities? Simply pointing the fingers at the residents of Baltimore won't fix Baltimore either. It is astounding to me that people believe the police either bear no responsibility and/or are not the underlying reason for the cause of the riots. Are they rioting in Musky's shitty? South Central LA? NYC? Are these cities absent of crime and poverty? Or, are those cities' police forces less "thuggish?"
I agree to disagree with you on this topic as yes, I believe further discussion is pointless.
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Feel there is blame on both sides. So what are solutions?
You're wasting your time Halifax.
Rather than packing up and leaving, working together seems to be the best solution. Protect and serve, not pack up and leave, right?
There are plenty of people in that community who want the cops and I am sure there are plenty of cops who want to help.
POVERTY, not police, is the underlying cause of the riots, of the drug trade, of the conflict with police. When we eliminate poverty we will eliminate the problems that plague Baltimore today.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
We need solutions versus finger pointing.
Think advent of everyone having a camera is great and is making a difference. We though can't curtail police to protect yhe Agree.
Works both ways but yes this is a solution.
Whole situation reminds me of the parent blaming the teachers for the failing of their kids.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
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If this on line community is reflective of society, every time they encounter a challenging situation... if they don't handle it perfectly... people are poised with pitchforks ready to damn them.
The amount of patience and understanding for people engaged in unlawfulness compared to the level we afford police is disproportionate: they have a reason for rioting for (won't use 'thugs') unruly citizens seems to gain more support than he lost control and made bad decisions in a struggle for a cop dealing with a criminal unwilling to cooperate.
Don't want to stick your neck out? That's fine, quit, but don't collect a paycheck for a job you refuse to do.
Riot and loot? You should go to jail, everyone agrees with that.
Lose control and make bad decisions, (ins struggle lol, funny how you add a little qualifier that absolves officers, even those who CREATE struggles from nothing) you should lose your job. But not everyone agrees with that one, do they?
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The death of Freddie Gray absolutely contributed to the riots. However, you argued that the police were the underlying cause of the riots and that if anyone disagreed there was no reason for any further discussion. You are wrong on both points. Gray's death didn't create the problems there. Neither did police behavior. Poverty did, and it absolutely should be discussed. It's easy to ignore that, but simply pointing a finger at the police will not fix Baltimore.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
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Callen, I would argue that throwing around a teenage girl who is not a threat, while she was walking away.....for backtalking...was wrong. That is black and white to me. While others here see nuance in that, I see none. And the police chief of his department agrees with me.
I would also argue that there is plenty of nuance as to why the riots in Baltimore happened. Not just the black and white view that thugs were out to loot and burn.
I also think we need to expose the problems (sometimes that includes finding blame) before we can find solutions.
I agree to disagree with you on this topic as yes, I believe further discussion is pointless.
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