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  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    fife said:


    muskydan said:

    Ya, I must have shitforbrains. you got me, time to lock myself back in the basement .

    can you please explain what you meant when you told last exit to be wise about it?

    Sure, someone breaks into your house and you or a family member are in fear for your life shoot that fucker till the threat is eliminated . You know, Protect your Family. Please leave usually does not work for all you anti-GUn people just so you know
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    fife said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    rgambs said:

    Last12exit: "Yes, but just to give you a warning: even if you don't own a gun, if you attack me or break into my home and I wind up shooting you, you do own a gun. ANYBODY that breaks into my home or attacks me will at the very minimum have a gun in there hand that will be their gun.

    But yes, I know what the differences you are referring to. I believe the state of south Carolina follows what is called the castle law or castle doctrine."


    Yikes! I hope for everyone's sake nobody enters your home without permission for whatever reason.

    This planting a gun thing shouldn't even be possible. If the government and police orgs truly wanted to stop the flow of guns to gangs and stop the murder madness of Chicago and it's like, they would make all guns sold traceable to the purchaser and stop the gun swap bullshit that fuels interstate gun running.

    I work with county police often when responding to shootings/stabbings/assaults and those words came right out of their mouths. Something to the effect of "you have to be sure the person you shot was armed with something."

    I hope that I never have to shoot somebody. It took me 10 years to just decide to put a gun in my house. But after my truck and my dad's truck was stolen (we are neighbors), I felt it was necessary. But back to what the police told me. If there is a guy willing to break into my home, even if he is unarmed, I will not hesitate to shoot him. People like that don't even deserve to rot in jail. I know that sounds harsh. But if there is anybody that I hate in this world, it's a thief. That is why anyone that breaks into my home owns a gun.
    so death penalty for theft?
    If you break into my house it is.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327



    Sure, someone breaks into your house and you or a family member are in fear for your life shoot that fucker till the threat is eliminated . You know, Protect your Family. Please leave usually does not work for all you anti-GUn people just so you know

    and the whole planting a gun part doesn't bother you as a "cop".

  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Last-12-Exit said:

    fife said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    rgambs said:

    Last12exit: "Yes, but just to give you a warning: even if you don't own a gun, if you attack me or break into my home and I wind up shooting you, you do own a gun. ANYBODY that breaks into my home or attacks me will at the very minimum have a gun in there hand that will be their gun.

    But yes, I know what the differences you are referring to. I believe the state of south Carolina follows what is called the castle law or castle doctrine."


    Yikes! I hope for everyone's sake nobody enters your home without permission for whatever reason.

    This planting a gun thing shouldn't even be possible. If the government and police orgs truly wanted to stop the flow of guns to gangs and stop the murder madness of Chicago and it's like, they would make all guns sold traceable to the purchaser and stop the gun swap bullshit that fuels interstate gun running.

    I work with county police often when responding to shootings/stabbings/assaults and those words came right out of their mouths. Something to the effect of "you have to be sure the person you shot was armed with something."

    I hope that I never have to shoot somebody. It took me 10 years to just decide to put a gun in my house. But after my truck and my dad's truck was stolen (we are neighbors), I felt it was necessary. But back to what the police told me. If there is a guy willing to break into my home, even if he is unarmed, I will not hesitate to shoot him. People like that don't even deserve to rot in jail. I know that sounds harsh. But if there is anybody that I hate in this world, it's a thief. That is why anyone that breaks into my home owns a gun.
    so death penalty for theft?
    If you break into my house it is.
    How about if you and family return home and you find burglars in your house? You have your gun in you. What do you do?
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    callen said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    fife said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    rgambs said:

    Last12exit: "Yes, but just to give you a warning: even if you don't own a gun, if you attack me or break into my home and I wind up shooting you, you do own a gun. ANYBODY that breaks into my home or attacks me will at the very minimum have a gun in there hand that will be their gun.

    But yes, I know what the differences you are referring to. I believe the state of south Carolina follows what is called the castle law or castle doctrine."


    Yikes! I hope for everyone's sake nobody enters your home without permission for whatever reason.

    This planting a gun thing shouldn't even be possible. If the government and police orgs truly wanted to stop the flow of guns to gangs and stop the murder madness of Chicago and it's like, they would make all guns sold traceable to the purchaser and stop the gun swap bullshit that fuels interstate gun running.

    I work with county police often when responding to shootings/stabbings/assaults and those words came right out of their mouths. Something to the effect of "you have to be sure the person you shot was armed with something."

    I hope that I never have to shoot somebody. It took me 10 years to just decide to put a gun in my house. But after my truck and my dad's truck was stolen (we are neighbors), I felt it was necessary. But back to what the police told me. If there is a guy willing to break into my home, even if he is unarmed, I will not hesitate to shoot him. People like that don't even deserve to rot in jail. I know that sounds harsh. But if there is anybody that I hate in this world, it's a thief. That is why anyone that breaks into my home owns a gun.
    so death penalty for theft?
    If you break into my house it is.
    How about if you and family return home and you find burglars in your house? You have your gun in you. What do you do?
    I don't know. I don't carry a gun. I keep it in my closet. I guess it would depend on if I could get to it or not. But I could run to my dad's house (he's my neighbor) and get one of his guns.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Last-12-Exit said:

    callen said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    fife said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    rgambs said:

    Last12exit: "Yes, but just to give you a warning: even if you don't own a gun, if you attack me or break into my home and I wind up shooting you, you do own a gun. ANYBODY that breaks into my home or attacks me will at the very minimum have a gun in there hand that will be their gun.

    But yes, I know what the differences you are referring to. I believe the state of south Carolina follows what is called the castle law or castle doctrine."


    Yikes! I hope for everyone's sake nobody enters your home without permission for whatever reason.

    This planting a gun thing shouldn't even be possible. If the government and police orgs truly wanted to stop the flow of guns to gangs and stop the murder madness of Chicago and it's like, they would make all guns sold traceable to the purchaser and stop the gun swap bullshit that fuels interstate gun running.

    I work with county police often when responding to shootings/stabbings/assaults and those words came right out of their mouths. Something to the effect of "you have to be sure the person you shot was armed with something."

    I hope that I never have to shoot somebody. It took me 10 years to just decide to put a gun in my house. But after my truck and my dad's truck was stolen (we are neighbors), I felt it was necessary. But back to what the police told me. If there is a guy willing to break into my home, even if he is unarmed, I will not hesitate to shoot him. People like that don't even deserve to rot in jail. I know that sounds harsh. But if there is anybody that I hate in this world, it's a thief. That is why anyone that breaks into my home owns a gun.
    so death penalty for theft?
    If you break into my house it is.
    How about if you and family return home and you find burglars in your house? You have your gun in you. What do you do?
    I don't know. I don't carry a gun. I keep it in my closet. I guess it would depend on if I could get to it or not. But I could run to my dad's house (he's my neighbor) and get one of his guns.
    And so you now have a gun and there are burglars in your house. What do you do?
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    callen said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    callen said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    fife said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    rgambs said:

    Last12exit: "Yes, but just to give you a warning: even if you don't own a gun, if you attack me or break into my home and I wind up shooting you, you do own a gun. ANYBODY that breaks into my home or attacks me will at the very minimum have a gun in there hand that will be their gun.

    But yes, I know what the differences you are referring to. I believe the state of south Carolina follows what is called the castle law or castle doctrine."


    Yikes! I hope for everyone's sake nobody enters your home without permission for whatever reason.

    This planting a gun thing shouldn't even be possible. If the government and police orgs truly wanted to stop the flow of guns to gangs and stop the murder madness of Chicago and it's like, they would make all guns sold traceable to the purchaser and stop the gun swap bullshit that fuels interstate gun running.

    I work with county police often when responding to shootings/stabbings/assaults and those words came right out of their mouths. Something to the effect of "you have to be sure the person you shot was armed with something."

    I hope that I never have to shoot somebody. It took me 10 years to just decide to put a gun in my house. But after my truck and my dad's truck was stolen (we are neighbors), I felt it was necessary. But back to what the police told me. If there is a guy willing to break into my home, even if he is unarmed, I will not hesitate to shoot him. People like that don't even deserve to rot in jail. I know that sounds harsh. But if there is anybody that I hate in this world, it's a thief. That is why anyone that breaks into my home owns a gun.
    so death penalty for theft?
    If you break into my house it is.
    How about if you and family return home and you find burglars in your house? You have your gun in you. What do you do?
    I don't know. I don't carry a gun. I keep it in my closet. I guess it would depend on if I could get to it or not. But I could run to my dad's house (he's my neighbor) and get one of his guns.
    And so you now have a gun and there are burglars in your house. What do you do?
    I don't know. It's all about situation. I could do one of a few things. Enter my home and hope he or they aren't armed, leave and call the cops, wait for them to leave. It's never happened so I don't know what I would do.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Last-12, if you ever arrive home and see that there are people in your home that you didn't invite, I hope you choose to leave and call the police from somewhere else. I'm sincere about this - you're a member of our forum. There's nothing good to be gained by entering the house and trying to confront them, or figure out if they are armed. You'd just be putting yourself and maybe your family at risk, and if you did charge in and shoot them I'm guessing this would be seen as much less justified since it wasn't necessary for self defense.
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    oftenreading said:

    Last-12, if you ever arrive home and see that there are people in your home that you didn't invite, I hope you choose to leave and call the police from somewhere else. I'm sincere about this - you're a member of our forum. There's nothing good to be gained by entering the house and trying to confront them, or figure out if they are armed. You'd just be putting yourself and maybe your family at risk, and if you did charge in and shoot them I'm guessing this would be seen as much less justified since it wasn't necessary for self defense.

    That would likely be the outcome. I am not trying to come across like I can't wait to shoot somebody. The advantage I have against anybody that would drive a car to break in my house is that there is only one way in and one way out and I live about 100 yards off the main road. If they were on foot or on a 4 wheeler or other atv, they could go anywhere off into the woods.

    But I do appreciate your concern.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Somewhat graphic video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOfJcYUlqjo&t
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Screwdriver. Sad.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Cliffy6745 said:

    Somewhat graphic video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOfJcYUlqjo&t

    Crappy.

    They said (on the video) that he was coming at them. It's hard to tell.

    I guess I'd wonder if proximity to potential suspects leads to such responses. If they were further away and had the same discussion, perhaps more time for a less extreme response?

    Why were they called to the scene?
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Just seems there's no middle ground. Obviously the guy is an idiot but ....
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  • backseatLover12
    backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    edited March 2015
    Not sure if anyone's posted this. NYC cops are to be retrained.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/12/04/368515762/nyc-police-will-be-retrained-de-blasio-to-hold-news-conference
    New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and New York Police Department Commissioner Bill Bratton have announced plans to give training to police officers to help them treat all citizens with equal respect and with equal regard for their safety.

    "These changes are happening because the people demanded it," de Blasio said.

    The pair appeared at a news conference Thursday, one day after a grand jury declined to indict police officer Daniel Pantaleo in the July death of Staten Island man Eric Garner.

    Speaking at the New York City Police Academy, de Blasio said the city's officers will do things a different way. De Blasio also noted that despite large protests Wednesday, only 83 people were arrested.

    You can watch the live video above; we'll update this post as news emerges.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    So sad.
    Afghanistan Veteran with no criminal record having a serious mental breakdown shot dead while naked and empty handed.
    Where is the assault on the officer? Where is the attempt for the gun? Where in the hell is the justification for deadly force?
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/25/us/atlanta-police-shooting-victim-tried-to-live-a-life-that-mattered.html?referrer=
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    rgambs said:

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/25/us/atlanta-police-shooting-victim-tried-to-live-a-life-that-mattered.html?referrer=

    Sad.

    He advanced on the officer. What should he have done, RG? I ask because the cop needed to do something other than run away. He was called to the scene to seal with it and he had no idea what he was dealing with.

    I'm thinking taser or pepper spray, but what if that didn't work?

    Does a cop have to get into a hand to hand combat situation and be losing before pulling his gun?
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  • lolobugg
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    rgambs said:

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/25/us/atlanta-police-shooting-victim-tried-to-live-a-life-that-mattered.html?referrer=

    totally unacceptable not to use the taser first.
    and I blame the VA as well.
    this young man deserved so much better.
    my heart goes out to his family.

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Philadelphia Cops Shoot and Kill People at 6 Times the Rate of the NYPD

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/03/philadelphia-police-officer-involved-shootings
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    rgambs said:

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/25/us/atlanta-police-shooting-victim-tried-to-live-a-life-that-mattered.html?referrer=

    Sad.

    He advanced on the officer. What should he have done, RG? I ask because the cop needed to do something other than run away. He was called to the scene to seal with it and he had no idea what he was dealing with.

    I'm thinking taser or pepper spray, but what if that didn't work?

    Does a cop have to get into a hand to hand combat situation and be losing before pulling his gun?
    I read the entire article, and nowhere did it specify one detail about what actually happened, except that the officer had mental health training and was carrying a taser (and of course, black victim, white officer). did I miss something?

    I'll comment when I know more about this.

    kudos to Mr Hill's family for their incredible non-judgment. Can't say I'd be the same in their shoes.

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