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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    edited November 2014
    dignin said:

    fuck said:

    I think most people on here need to also quit talking about Shariah as though they actually know what it is. It's a much more sophisticated system than both ignorant Westerners and literalists like the Taliban or ISIL give it credit for. Just as the evolution of Western rule of law did not culminate in Nazi gas chambers, neither did the development of the Shariah culminate in ISIL's cancerous growth in Syria and Iraq.

    Religion has no place in law.
    Did religion not come before modern nationalism? If that's the case, it's likely been present in people's minds for much longer than the sense of belonging to state. If you trace the origins of law back far enough then, I suspect you'd find that even in North America, law is likely predicated upon religious ideals.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    That depends on how far you want to go back. We could take it to extremes, of course - like the Hammurabic Code - but in fact much of North American law draws from English common law, which draws from the Saxon legal system and earlier Continental systems back to the Roman empire, which drew from the Greeks. Much of this was not religiously based. The Anglo Saxons, for instance, had a very property-based law system; if you wronged someone (murdered their family member, for instance), you paid a set amount.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    oftenreading said:

    That depends on how far you want to go back. We could take it to extremes, of course - like the Hammurabic Code - but in fact much of North American law draws from English common law, which draws from the Saxon legal system and earlier Continental systems back to the Roman empire, which drew from the Greeks. Much of this was not religiously based. The Anglo Saxons, for instance, had a very property-based law system; if you wronged someone (murdered their family member, for instance), you paid a set amount.

    Thanks, oftenreading! This is why I post here - I learn something new every day.
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    EV
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    benjs said:

    dignin said:

    fuck said:

    I think most people on here need to also quit talking about Shariah as though they actually know what it is. It's a much more sophisticated system than both ignorant Westerners and literalists like the Taliban or ISIL give it credit for. Just as the evolution of Western rule of law did not culminate in Nazi gas chambers, neither did the development of the Shariah culminate in ISIL's cancerous growth in Syria and Iraq.

    Religion has no place in law.
    Did religion not come before modern nationalism? If that's the case, it's likely been present in people's minds for much longer than the sense of belonging to state. If you trace the origins of law back far enough then, I suspect you'd find that even in North America, law is likely predicated upon religious ideals.

    Of course, but my point still stands. We did a lot of stupid shit in the past but I would like to think we have moved forward. Were not all the way there yet but were heading in the right direction. Looking at law from a religious perspective (Christian or Muslim) is a step backwards. Law should be completely secular.

    I would also like to point out that religion doesn't have the market cornered on what is wrong and right.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    oftenreading said:

    That depends on how far you want to go back. We could take it to extremes, of course - like the Hammurabic Code - but in fact much of North American law draws from English common law, which draws from the Saxon legal system and earlier Continental systems back to the Roman empire, which drew from the Greeks. Much of this was not religiously based. The Anglo Saxons, for instance, had a very property-based law system; if you wronged someone (murdered their family member, for instance), you paid a set amount.

    Very interesting oftenreading. Didn't read your post before I had made my last one.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    There's something I should have added to my earlier post (but hey, the dog needed to go out for a walk).

    There are some basic things that virtually all civilizations want. Most people want a sense of security and fairness. They don't want to worry about being assaulted or murdered, or their property being stolen. That's why even basic legal codes generally prohibit murder, theft, etc.; not because the Ten Commandments said so, but because common sense says so. As dignin said, religion doesn't corner the market on right and wrong.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    oftenreading said:

    There's something I should have added to my earlier post (but hey, the dog needed to go out for a walk).

    There are some basic things that virtually all civilizations want. Most people want a sense of security and fairness. They don't want to worry about being assaulted or murdered, or their property being stolen. That's why even basic legal codes generally prohibit murder, theft, etc.; not because the Ten Commandments said so, but because common sense says so. As dignin said, religion doesn't corner the market on right and wrong.

    I agree. It always astonishes me when you hear hyper-religious people who truly believe that if their *insert religious text here* didn't instruct people not to kill - they'd just go right ahead and do it. There are some ethical or moral conclusions that, like you, I believe are innately within us.
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Who's on who's side and who's using who's equipment? I'm all fucken confused:


    US Jets Flown by Iranians Might Be Attacking North Korean Tanks in the Middle East
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Your post made me think of this

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=3ema7lfEAMk
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,286
    A thought occurred the other day about why oil production by OPEC hasn't and wont be slowed despite falling prices. This is one way to fight ISIS ,drive the price they can get down and diminish their "profit" from black market sales and their captured product.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,288
    Looks like the Aussie police are raiding the cafe held up by mujahideen / sex offender Man Haron Monis.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    These people, minding their own business at a chocolate shop, subjected to this shit.

    Hope this asshole now serves the time he should have to begin with.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    hedonist said:

    These people, minding their own business at a chocolate shop, subjected to this shit.

    Hope this asshole now serves the time he should have to begin with.

    main stream population in a state prison.....

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    hedonist said:

    These people, minding their own business at a chocolate shop, subjected to this shit.

    Hope this asshole now serves the time he should have to begin with.

    Unfortunately, he's now dead. He would likely consider this a happy thing. I wish they'd gotten him out alive so he could answer for what he did.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,288
    This is one plumber that you don't want to be late on payments with ....

    terrorist-truck-texas.jpg

    Texas plumber’s Ford truck ends up with terrorists

    When Texas plumber Mark Oberholtzer traded in his black Ford F-250 pickup truck, he expected it would live a second life in the hands of new owners, but probably not these owners.

    Oberholtzer’s Texas City plumbing company, Mark-1 Plumbing, has been inundated with threats after a photo of his old Ford work truck appeared on a terrorist Twitter feed, equipped with an anti-aircraft gun in the bed and still bearing the company logo on the door.

    https://autos.yahoo.com/news/texas-plumber-ford-truck-ends-terrorists-133033518.html
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited December 2014
    Plumbers from Texas City. Bastion for Texas republicans. Ironic and funny. Has Texas registration and inspection stickers that are are expired. Ha. Texas supporting ISIS.
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  • lazloblue
    lazloblue Houston Posts: 738
    Perhaps he should have pealed off the stickers before selling the vehicle. facepalm!
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Interesting 25 minute video if u have the time:

    http://youtu.be/3CsgI8ixpjg
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Anonymous hits ISIS with hundreds of hacks

    #OpISIS strikes with the message: ‘We are Muslims, we are Christians, we are Jews, we are hackers’

    http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/23541/1/anonymous-hits-isis-with-hundreds-of-hacks
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    dignin said:

    Anonymous hits ISIS with hundreds of hacks

    #OpISIS strikes with the message: ‘We are Muslims, we are Christians, we are Jews, we are hackers’

    http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/23541/1/anonymous-hits-isis-with-hundreds-of-hacks

    Good find Digin.
    Every little bit helps.If you can cut them off at the roots,then it becomes much more difficult to bare fruit.
    I thought they overstepped in the Mike Brown case.But I think it's well placed here.

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