Beheaded by ISIS

mickeyrat

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

badbrains said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz9pwjx9vSg

Thanks thirty! That was awesome!

Pretty cool, eh?

I solemnly swear ( or affirm) to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic.........







This guy is an awesome representative of the military.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mickeyrat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

badbrains said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz9pwjx9vSg

Thanks thirty! That was awesome!

Pretty cool, eh?

I solemnly swear ( or affirm) to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic.........







This guy is an awesome representative of the military.

You know what? That's what I thought as well (I hope you're being serious).

Some of the other folks were pretty awesome as well.

mickeyrat

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

badbrains said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz9pwjx9vSg

Thanks thirty! That was awesome!

Pretty cool, eh?

I solemnly swear ( or affirm) to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic.........







This guy is an awesome representative of the military.

You know what? That's what I thought as well (I hope you're being serious).

Some of the other folks were pretty awesome as well.

Absolutely serious. Cliche as what he said might sound its truth. Many many feel the same way. Those types are the best of us.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz9pwjx9vSg

Bump... for Godfather.

callen

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

why are muslims trying to have shira law in the US ? and attacking Christians world wide ? are these the evil ones you talked about ?

Godfather.

Do you know percentage of us population that are Muslim? Don't look it up just take a guess.

I don't know....maybe about 5% ?

Godfather.

.08%

Wouldn't be to worried about sharia law taking hold.

benjs

callen said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

why are muslims trying to have shira law in the US ? and attacking Christians world wide ? are these the evil ones you talked about ?

Godfather.

Do you know percentage of us population that are Muslim? Don't look it up just take a guess.

I don't know....maybe about 5% ?

Godfather.

.08%

Wouldn't be to worried about sharia law taking hold.

To be honest... I think gauging power based on population impact and not population itself is probably more logical. Power isn't in numbers: if it's economic power, it's in dollars spent/earned for the nation. If it's power measured in ability to restrict rights, it should be measured in something else - maybe damage done historically in light of perceived inaction.

For example, the Jewish population in the US hovers around 2.5% I believe, and yet someone posted something to the effect that Jews "own half of the US": this is how it was deemed that power should be measured in that regard. Since there's already a reasonably well-regarded democratic process in place in America, what power would a subset of the populace (i.e. Muslims in America) possess to bring about change in the justice system?

My suspicion is that if we were able to put together a cohesive measurement of the power of Islam in the US, we'd find that there's a great disconnect between the perceived amount of power, and the reality. While I don't believe that population itself is a solid metric of power, it's interesting to me that Godfather's expectation about the Muslim population (which it seems like he and you believe is a good metric for power) was approximately 62 times as large as the actual value: this is a perfect example of that disconnect.

EDIT: For the record, I'm in no way suggesting this means we should be weary and that Sharia will take over as the new book of law in the States; I'm merely saying that power is not measured in pure number of people.

The Juggler

mickeyrat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

badbrains said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz9pwjx9vSg

Thanks thirty! That was awesome!

Pretty cool, eh?

I solemnly swear ( or affirm) to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic.........







This guy is an awesome representative of the military.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx8r-TiLSVg

Godfather.

callen said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

why are muslims trying to have shira law in the US ? and attacking Christians world wide ? are these the evil ones you talked about ?

Godfather.

Do you know percentage of us population that are Muslim? Don't look it up just take a guess.

I don't know....maybe about 5% ?

Godfather.

.08%

Wouldn't be to worried about sharia law taking hold.

.08 % in America...how many people is that...100,000 or a million or 10 million ? and what percentage of those are sleepers ? (bad guys)


Godfather.

benjs

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

why are muslims trying to have shira law in the US ? and attacking Christians world wide ? are these the evil ones you talked about ?

Godfather.

Do you know percentage of us population that are Muslim? Don't look it up just take a guess.

I don't know....maybe about 5% ?

Godfather.

.08%

Wouldn't be to worried about sharia law taking hold.

.08 % in America...how many people is that...100,000 or a million or 10 million ? and what percentage of those are sleepers ? (bad guys)


Godfather.

Godfather,

I'm going to make some incredibly racially stereotypical assumptions here to make a point, that I in no way believe to be accurate, but should present a fairly conservative risk analysis.

If 90% of the Muslim population in America were "sleepers" (which is an outrageous allegation on my part), let's just assume that the non-Muslim population is, on average, about 1/90th as likely to be a "bad guy", or 1% of the remaining population.

90% of 0.08% of 316 million = 227,520 potential "sleepers"
1% of 99.92% of 316 million = 3,157,472 potential "sleepers"

Do you see my point?

callen

benjs said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

why are muslims trying to have shira law in the US ? and attacking Christians world wide ? are these the evil ones you talked about ?

Godfather.

Do you know percentage of us population that are Muslim? Don't look it up just take a guess.

I don't know....maybe about 5% ?

Godfather.

.08%

Wouldn't be to worried about sharia law taking hold.

To be honest... I think gauging power based on population impact and not population itself is probably more logical. Power isn't in numbers: if it's economic power, it's in dollars spent/earned for the nation. If it's power measured in ability to restrict rights, it should be measured in something else - maybe damage done historically in light of perceived inaction.

For example, the Jewish population in the US hovers around 2.5% I believe, and yet someone posted something to the effect that Jews "own half of the US": this is how it was deemed that power should be measured in that regard. Since there's already a reasonably well-regarded democratic process in place in America, what power would a subset of the populace (i.e. Muslims in America) possess to bring about change in the justice system?

My suspicion is that if we were able to put together a cohesive measurement of the power of Islam in the US, we'd find that there's a great disconnect between the perceived amount of power, and the reality. While I don't believe that population itself is a solid metric of power, it's interesting to me that Godfather's expectation about the Muslim population (which it seems like he and you believe is a good metric for power) was approximately 62 times as large as the actual value: this is a perfect example of that disconnect.

EDIT: For the record, I'm in no way suggesting this means we should be weary and that Sharia will take over as the new book of law in the States; I'm merely saying that power is not measured in pure number of people.

Accountant? Scientist? HA

Was simply pointing out perception. Wasn't crunching the numbers as to actual effect. )

callen

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

why are muslims trying to have shira law in the US ? and attacking Christians world wide ? are these the evil ones you talked about ?

Godfather.

Do you know percentage of us population that are Muslim? Don't look it up just take a guess.

I don't know....maybe about 5% ?

Godfather.

.08%

Wouldn't be to worried about sharia law taking hold.

.08 % in America...how many people is that...100,000 or a million or 10 million ? and what percentage of those are sleepers ? (bad guys)


Godfather.

Godfather,

I'm going to make some incredibly racially stereotypical assumptions here to make a point, that I in no way believe to be accurate, but should present a fairly conservative risk analysis.

If 90% of the Muslim population in America were "sleepers" (which is an outrageous allegation on my part), let's just assume that the non-Muslim population is, on average, about 1/90th as likely to be a "bad guy", or 1% of the remaining population.

90% of 0.08% of 316 million = 227,520 potential "sleepers"
1% of 99.92% of 316 million = 3,157,472 potential "sleepers"

Do you see my point?

Read this after my last post. I was right.

And would think the .08% would of made an impact on inability to impose sharia law in US but ................oh well.

benjs

callen said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

why are muslims trying to have shira law in the US ? and attacking Christians world wide ? are these the evil ones you talked about ?

Godfather.

Do you know percentage of us population that are Muslim? Don't look it up just take a guess.

I don't know....maybe about 5% ?

Godfather.

.08%

Wouldn't be to worried about sharia law taking hold.

.08 % in America...how many people is that...100,000 or a million or 10 million ? and what percentage of those are sleepers ? (bad guys)


Godfather.

Godfather,

I'm going to make some incredibly racially stereotypical assumptions here to make a point, that I in no way believe to be accurate, but should present a fairly conservative risk analysis.

If 90% of the Muslim population in America were "sleepers" (which is an outrageous allegation on my part), let's just assume that the non-Muslim population is, on average, about 1/90th as likely to be a "bad guy", or 1% of the remaining population.

90% of 0.08% of 316 million = 227,520 potential "sleepers"
1% of 99.92% of 316 million = 3,157,472 potential "sleepers"

Do you see my point?

Read this after my last post. I was right.

And would think the .08% would of made an impact on inability to impose sharia law in US but ................oh well.

Callen,

I'm pretty sure we're on the same page about the absurdity of the shift of law to Sharia in America, and I know you were talking about perception. While we may agree, it's just good to get into the habit of making sure we're all coming to conclusions based on sound logic. A small Muslim population relative to the other sects represented within America is certainly a deterrent from having Sharia take over as the prevalent form of law, but it isn't the best deterrent: American policy seems to overwhelmingly follow number of dollars to be potentially gained based on its implementation, rather than number of lives affected.

As for your accountant/scientist comment... Not sure if you're asking if I am either of those, but I'm not.

mickeyrat

Can we get back to something factual? Like ISIS ......

rr165892

I can't see American main stream everyday Muslims allowing the more radicalized sects to really take heavy root here.I know too many that strongly oppose that kind of nonsense and are equally if not more pissed and sensitive to it then most non Muslims .Most are like BB.

badbrains

rr165892 said:

I can't see American main stream everyday Muslims allowing the more radicalized sects to really take heavy root here.I know too many that strongly oppose that kind of nonsense and are equally if not more pissed and sensitive to it then most non Muslims .Most are like BB.

You got that right buddy.

benjs

rr165892 said:

I can't see American main stream everyday Muslims allowing the more radicalized sects to really take heavy root here.I know too many that strongly oppose that kind of nonsense and are equally if not more pissed and sensitive to it then most non Muslims .Most are like BB.

I'm with you on that. I hope I've been at least somewhat successful in showing how, even with the most outlandish allegations about Muslims, the probability of anything such as Sharia taking over as law in America, or disproportionately large "terror threats" at the hands of Muslims, is still insanely small compared to non-Muslim threats. And speaking of non-Muslim threats...has anyone seen my tin foil hat? The government stole my last one.

fuck

I think most people on here need to also quit talking about Shariah as though they actually know what it is. It's a much more sophisticated system than both ignorant Westerners and literalists like the Taliban or ISIL give it credit for. Just as the evolution of Western rule of law did not culminate in Nazi gas chambers, neither did the development of the Shariah culminate in ISIL's cancerous growth in Syria and Iraq.

Gern Blansten

fuck said:

I think most people on here need to also quit talking about Shariah as though they actually know what it is. It's a much more sophisticated system than both ignorant Westerners and literalists like the Taliban or ISIL give it credit for. Just as the evolution of Western rule of law did not culminate in Nazi gas chambers, neither did the development of the Shariah culminate in ISIL's cancerous growth in Syria and Iraq.

More sophisticated in what ways?

benjs

fuck said:

I think most people on here need to also quit talking about Shariah as though they actually know what it is. It's a much more sophisticated system than both ignorant Westerners and literalists like the Taliban or ISIL give it credit for. Just as the evolution of Western rule of law did not culminate in Nazi gas chambers, neither did the development of the Shariah culminate in ISIL's cancerous growth in Syria and Iraq.

I don't know enough about Sharia, but I'm trying to explain to people that it's outlandish and absurd to fear that it will be responsible for an upheaval of the current judicial system. Not that our current one is so great.

dignin

fuck said:

I think most people on here need to also quit talking about Shariah as though they actually know what it is. It's a much more sophisticated system than both ignorant Westerners and literalists like the Taliban or ISIL give it credit for. Just as the evolution of Western rule of law did not culminate in Nazi gas chambers, neither did the development of the Shariah culminate in ISIL's cancerous growth in Syria and Iraq.

Religion has no place in law.