Ryan, you're trying to compare abuse of a child, which is FUCKEN DISGUSTING on it's own to bombing and killing a shitload of a certain people. Sorry, can't compare. It's fucked up all around.
First,Yes it is disgusting. Second,You're killing me here.How can you not see the how it's the same way of justifying actions. So what is you're suggestion for course of action? Leave the area and do nothing is not an option.
I'm killing you? Come on man. Here's what we can do. Seriously let the Arab nations take care of them on there own. They can handle it. But we have to seriously let them do it without us meddling like some of the hawks in our government, (mr McCain). We can't sit here and say we have to get rid of is while we're arming them at the same time. Or how about let Iran and syria handle them. Iran is already doing their thing. Assad is doing what he can all while having a civil war going on that somehow we meddled in too. See what the common theme is?
Imo for this approach but they can't handle this by themselves.Can they?
Is has, let's say to be generous, 60,000 fighters. We took out Iraqs 1.5 million in 1 week. So it takes Assad and Iran 1 month to do it. They can do it and are. Ryan you're a smart dude, there's other info out there besides what you/we are fed here in the states. It's crazy what we hear here and what's said out there in the world.
Ryan, you're trying to compare abuse of a child, which is FUCKEN DISGUSTING on it's own to bombing and killing a shitload of a certain people. Sorry, can't compare. It's fucked up all around.
First,Yes it is disgusting. Second,You're killing me here.How can you not see the how it's the same way of justifying actions. So what is you're suggestion for course of action? Leave the area and do nothing is not an option.
I'm killing you? Come on man. Here's what we can do. Seriously let the Arab nations take care of them on there own. They can handle it. But we have to seriously let them do it without us meddling like some of the hawks in our government, (mr McCain). We can't sit here and say we have to get rid of is while we're arming them at the same time. Or how about let Iran and syria handle them. Iran is already doing their thing. Assad is doing what he can all while having a civil war going on that somehow we meddled in too. See what the common theme is?
Imo for this approach but they can't handle this by themselves.Can they?
Is has, let's say to be generous, 60,000 fighters. We took out Iraqs 1.5 million in 1 week. So it takes Assad and Iran 1 month to do it. They can do it and are. Ryan you're a smart dude, there's other info out there besides what you/we are fed here in the states. It's crazy what we hear here and what's said out there in the world.
But then what happens with the power vacuum created? There's so much wrong over there it seems like doom no matter what.
Ryan, you're trying to compare abuse of a child, which is FUCKEN DISGUSTING on it's own to bombing and killing a shitload of a certain people. Sorry, can't compare. It's fucked up all around.
First,Yes it is disgusting. Second,You're killing me here.How can you not see the how it's the same way of justifying actions. So what is you're suggestion for course of action? Leave the area and do nothing is not an option.
I'm killing you? Come on man. Here's what we can do. Seriously let the Arab nations take care of them on there own. They can handle it. But we have to seriously let them do it without us meddling like some of the hawks in our government, (mr McCain). We can't sit here and say we have to get rid of is while we're arming them at the same time. Or how about let Iran and syria handle them. Iran is already doing their thing. Assad is doing what he can all while having a civil war going on that somehow we meddled in too. See what the common theme is?
Imo for this approach but they can't handle this by themselves.Can they?
Is has, let's say to be generous, 60,000 fighters. We took out Iraqs 1.5 million in 1 week. So it takes Assad and Iran 1 month to do it. They can do it and are. Ryan you're a smart dude, there's other info out there besides what you/we are fed here in the states. It's crazy what we hear here and what's said out there in the world.
But then what happens with the power vacuum created? There's so much wrong over there it seems like doom no matter what.
Damned if we do, damned if we don't. Not us, we will continue to live in luxury and complain about it... Those poor children of the region, they are the ones who are damned.
Damned if we do, damned if we don't. Not us, we will continue to live in luxury and complain about it... Those poor children of the region, they are the ones who are damned.
This is the horrifying and tragic reality. The suffering lives on.
On the other side of the coin, I feel unified with everyone here though because I know we're all here discussing strategies, not premises. We're all basking in the same premise, in that we want to cease the perpetuation of crimes against each other. If ever intervention is deemed necessary, I just hope that it's deemed necessary at a point where the masses (both Western and those in oppressed and/or corrupt societies) understand that we're doing this because we feel morally obligated, and not economically or financially so. And I hope we intervene BECAUSE it's morally obligatory to take care of each other, and NOT for the financial or economic gains. And I hope we fucking prove that, by not introducing corruption but ridding these parts of the world of it (which will probably come at a great expense to us, and that's acceptable and almost obligatory to me). Unfortunately, the Western world is the boy who cried wolf - acting in self-serving ways under the guise of something noble time and time again. Until the Western world can repair this image - no intervention can lead to positive actions, because it will be a fight instead of an alliance.
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Damned if we do, damned if we don't. Not us, we will continue to live in luxury and complain about it... Those poor children of the region, they are the ones who are damned.
This is the horrifying and tragic reality. The suffering lives on.
On the other side of the coin, I feel unified with everyone here though because I know we're all here discussing strategies, not premises. We're all basking in the same premise, in that we want to cease the perpetuation of crimes against each other. If ever intervention is deemed necessary, I just hope that it's deemed necessary at a point where the masses (both Western and those in oppressed and/or corrupt societies) understand that we're doing this because we feel morally obligated, and not economically or financially so. And I hope we intervene BECAUSE it's morally obligatory to take care of each other, and NOT for the financial or economic gains. And I hope we fucking prove that, by not introducing corruption but ridding these parts of the world of it (which will probably come at a great expense to us, and that's acceptable and almost obligatory to me). Unfortunately, the Western world is the boy who cried wolf - acting in self-serving ways under the guise of something noble time and time again. Until the Western world can repair this image - no intervention can lead to positive actions, because it will be a fight instead of an alliance.
Well said!
It reminds me of the fact that we are arming our enemy because profit is what matters. It would be nice if we would actually use "full measures"...not just the military intervention the warhawks call for, but the full divestment of profiting off the instability in the area.
It's hilarious, cons were shouting from the rafters about stopping ISIS and now they are criticizing Obama for aligning with Iran to fight ISIS in Tikrit. They are batshit crazy.
It's hilarious, cons were shouting from the rafters about stopping ISIS and now they are criticizing Obama for aligning with Iran to fight ISIS in Tikrit. They are batshit crazy.
Both are different strains of radical Islam. The west should be aligned with neither.
It's hilarious, cons were shouting from the rafters about stopping ISIS and now they are criticizing Obama for aligning with Iran to fight ISIS in Tikrit. They are batshit crazy.
Both are different strains of radical Islam. The west should be aligned with neither.
Staying out of the region is the only way to accomplish that. If we fight Iran's enemies we align with them.
It's hilarious, cons were shouting from the rafters about stopping ISIS and now they are criticizing Obama for aligning with Iran to fight ISIS in Tikrit. They are batshit crazy.
Both are different strains of radical Islam. The west should be aligned with neither.
Have you ever been to Iran? How the fuck so u know they're extreme? Because some fat fuck named Limbaugh says so? Or some fat fuck who works in DC? Fuck out of here. Who's to fucken say we're not extreme because we are. Oh you're not cuz you're in Canada. And yes I know I curse a lot.
It's hilarious, cons were shouting from the rafters about stopping ISIS and now they are criticizing Obama for aligning with Iran to fight ISIS in Tikrit. They are batshit crazy.
Both are different strains of radical Islam. The west should be aligned with neither.
Staying out of the region is the only way to accomplish that. If we fight Iran's enemies we align with them.
Wrong. We align ourselves with the moderate factions that exist amongst both groups. That was how Iraq was pacified through the surge. America was the honest broker between the different groups. Once the pullout happened distrust and extremism on both sides filled the void. Obama supported the Muslim Brotherhood and ignored the Iranian Green Revolution all at the same time. Mass recipe for disaster.
It's hilarious, cons were shouting from the rafters about stopping ISIS and now they are criticizing Obama for aligning with Iran to fight ISIS in Tikrit. They are batshit crazy.
Both are different strains of radical Islam. The west should be aligned with neither.
Staying out of the region is the only way to accomplish that. If we fight Iran's enemies we align with them.
Wrong. We align ourselves with the moderate factions that exist amongst both groups. That was how Iraq was pacified through the surge. America was the honest broker between the different groups. Once the pullout happened distrust and extremism on both sides filled the void. Obama supported the Muslim Brotherhood and ignored the Iranian Green Revolution all at the same time. Mass recipe for disaster.
Thanks for the morning laugh. Goes good with my morning wood. Hahaha
It's hilarious, cons were shouting from the rafters about stopping ISIS and now they are criticizing Obama for aligning with Iran to fight ISIS in Tikrit. They are batshit crazy.
Both are different strains of radical Islam. The west should be aligned with neither.
Have you ever been to Iran? How the fuck so u know they're extreme? Because some fat fuck named Limbaugh says so? Or some fat fuck who works in DC? Fuck out of here. Who's to fucken say we're not extreme because we are. Oh you're not cuz you're in Canada. And yes I know I curse a lot.
It's hilarious, cons were shouting from the rafters about stopping ISIS and now they are criticizing Obama for aligning with Iran to fight ISIS in Tikrit. They are batshit crazy.
Both are different strains of radical Islam. The west should be aligned with neither.
Staying out of the region is the only way to accomplish that. If we fight Iran's enemies we align with them.
Wrong. We align ourselves with the moderate factions that exist amongst both groups. That was how Iraq was pacified through the surge. America was the honest broker between the different groups. Once the pullout happened distrust and extremism on both sides filled the void. Obama supported the Muslim Brotherhood and ignored the Iranian Green Revolution all at the same time. Mass recipe for disaster.
It's hilarious, cons were shouting from the rafters about stopping ISIS and now they are criticizing Obama for aligning with Iran to fight ISIS in Tikrit. They are batshit crazy.
Both are different strains of radical Islam. The west should be aligned with neither.
Have you ever been to Iran? How the fuck so u know they're extreme? Because some fat fuck named Limbaugh says so? Or some fat fuck who works in DC? Fuck out of here. Who's to fucken say we're not extreme because we are. Oh you're not cuz you're in Canada. And yes I know I curse a lot.
It's hilarious, cons were shouting from the rafters about stopping ISIS and now they are criticizing Obama for aligning with Iran to fight ISIS in Tikrit. They are batshit crazy.
Both are different strains of radical Islam. The west should be aligned with neither.
Staying out of the region is the only way to accomplish that. If we fight Iran's enemies we align with them.
Wrong. We align ourselves with the moderate factions that exist amongst both groups. That was how Iraq was pacified through the surge. America was the honest broker between the different groups. Once the pullout happened distrust and extremism on both sides filled the void. Obama supported the Muslim Brotherhood and ignored the Iranian Green Revolution all at the same time. Mass recipe for disaster.
Like I said before, you're full of shit and stink to high heaven with bigotry. But it's all good cuz everyone sees it. Keep up the great work spreading hate. Must be strainious all that work.
Edit-that's one crazy ass sickness you have sitting around looking for articles to post bashing Muslims all the way up in canada. Keep up the good work.
It's hilarious, cons were shouting from the rafters about stopping ISIS and now they are criticizing Obama for aligning with Iran to fight ISIS in Tikrit. They are batshit crazy.
Both are different strains of radical Islam. The west should be aligned with neither.
Have you ever been to Iran? How the fuck so u know they're extreme? Because some fat fuck named Limbaugh says so? Or some fat fuck who works in DC? Fuck out of here. Who's to fucken say we're not extreme because we are. Oh you're not cuz you're in Canada. And yes I know I curse a lot.
It's hilarious, cons were shouting from the rafters about stopping ISIS and now they are criticizing Obama for aligning with Iran to fight ISIS in Tikrit. They are batshit crazy.
Both are different strains of radical Islam. The west should be aligned with neither.
Staying out of the region is the only way to accomplish that. If we fight Iran's enemies we align with them.
Wrong. We align ourselves with the moderate factions that exist amongst both groups. That was how Iraq was pacified through the surge. America was the honest broker between the different groups. Once the pullout happened distrust and extremism on both sides filled the void. Obama supported the Muslim Brotherhood and ignored the Iranian Green Revolution all at the same time. Mass recipe for disaster.
Like I said before, you're full of shit and stink to high heaven with bigotry. But it's all good cuz everyone sees it. Keep up the great work spreading hate. Must be strainious all that work.
Edit-that's one crazy ass sickness you have sitting around looking for articles to post bashing Muslims all the way up in canada. Keep up the good work.
We all get along up here. Nicest Country in the world.
It's hilarious, cons were shouting from the rafters about stopping ISIS and now they are criticizing Obama for aligning with Iran to fight ISIS in Tikrit. They are batshit crazy.
Both are different strains of radical Islam. The west should be aligned with neither.
Have you ever been to Iran? How the fuck so u know they're extreme? Because some fat fuck named Limbaugh says so? Or some fat fuck who works in DC? Fuck out of here. Who's to fucken say we're not extreme because we are. Oh you're not cuz you're in Canada. And yes I know I curse a lot.
It's hilarious, cons were shouting from the rafters about stopping ISIS and now they are criticizing Obama for aligning with Iran to fight ISIS in Tikrit. They are batshit crazy.
Both are different strains of radical Islam. The west should be aligned with neither.
Staying out of the region is the only way to accomplish that. If we fight Iran's enemies we align with them.
Wrong. We align ourselves with the moderate factions that exist amongst both groups. That was how Iraq was pacified through the surge. America was the honest broker between the different groups. Once the pullout happened distrust and extremism on both sides filled the void. Obama supported the Muslim Brotherhood and ignored the Iranian Green Revolution all at the same time. Mass recipe for disaster.
Like I said before, you're full of shit and stink to high heaven with bigotry. But it's all good cuz everyone sees it. Keep up the great work spreading hate. Must be strainious all that work.
Edit-that's one crazy ass sickness you have sitting around looking for articles to post bashing Muslims all the way up in canada. Keep up the good work.
We all get along up here. Nicest Country in the world.
badbrains, your always the first to throw out personal attacks.."Like I said before, you're full of shit and stink to high heaven with bigotry. But it's all good cuz everyone sees it. Keep up the great work spreading hate. Must be strainious all that work. " take it easy man, the sun will rise and the new day is just a few hours away, and please give up the bigotry thing that word and racism gets used as a last act of difiance here all the time......it's almost a battle cry for some train members.......settle down ..breath...feel better yet ?
badbrains, your always the first to throw out personal attacks.."Like I said before, you're full of shit and stink to high heaven with bigotry. But it's all good cuz everyone sees it. Keep up the great work spreading hate. Must be strainious all that work. " take it easy man, the sun will rise and the new day is just a few hours away, and please give up the bigotry thing that word and racism gets used as a last act of difiance here all the time......it's almost a battle cry for some train members.......settle down ..breath...feel better yet ?
Godfather.
Oh Allah, the ex-resident bigot is defending the current resident bigot. I don't need a cowboy from Ca to tell me to settle down. When someone labels me an anti-Semite or tells me I want all Israel supporters to wear a fucken yellow star, they open themselves up for fair game. And for a gung-ho American, you sure botch the English language a lot. Thanks for caring tho, I'll take your advise for a cool 30 seconds. Now I'll go and enjoy the sunny Ca weather. Yes I'm here in your state again.
badbrains, your always the first to throw out personal attacks.."Like I said before, you're full of shit and stink to high heaven with bigotry. But it's all good cuz everyone sees it. Keep up the great work spreading hate. Must be strainious all that work. " take it easy man, the sun will rise and the new day is just a few hours away, and please give up the bigotry thing that word and racism gets used as a last act of difiance here all the time......it's almost a battle cry for some train members.......settle down ..breath...feel better yet ?
Godfather.
Oh Allah, the ex-resident bigot is defending the current resident bigot. I don't need a cowboy from Ca to tell me to settle down. When someone labels me an anti-Semite or tells me I want all Israel supporters to wear a fucken yellow star, they open themselves up for fair game. And for a gung-ho American, you sure botch the English language a lot. Thanks for caring tho, I'll take your advise for a cool 30 seconds. Now I'll go and enjoy the sunny Ca weather. Yes I'm here in your state again.
EX-resident bigot ?????? I'm still here ! you say bigot I say proud American...now if I were in the middle east and called the locals bigots and racist how well would that go over ? ya think they might shoot me or my camel ? cowboys in the middle east don't have horses right ? enjoy your visit in ca. get along little doggy LOL !!!!
badbrains, your always the first to throw out personal attacks.."Like I said before, you're full of shit and stink to high heaven with bigotry. But it's all good cuz everyone sees it. Keep up the great work spreading hate. Must be strainious all that work. " take it easy man, the sun will rise and the new day is just a few hours away, and please give up the bigotry thing that word and racism gets used as a last act of difiance here all the time......it's almost a battle cry for some train members.......settle down ..breath...feel better yet ?
Godfather.
Oh Allah, the ex-resident bigot is defending the current resident bigot. I don't need a cowboy from Ca to tell me to settle down. When someone labels me an anti-Semite or tells me I want all Israel supporters to wear a fucken yellow star, they open themselves up for fair game. And for a gung-ho American, you sure botch the English language a lot. Thanks for caring tho, I'll take your advise for a cool 30 seconds. Now I'll go and enjoy the sunny Ca weather. Yes I'm here in your state again.
EX-resident bigot ?????? I'm still here ! you say bigot I say proud American...now if I were in the middle east and called the locals bigots and racist how well would that go over ? ya think they might shoot me or my camel ? cowboys in the middle east don't have horses right ? enjoy your visit in ca. get along little doggy LOL !!!!
Godfather.
Arabian horses are arguably the finest horses on the planet.
badbrains, your always the first to throw out personal attacks.."Like I said before, you're full of shit and stink to high heaven with bigotry. But it's all good cuz everyone sees it. Keep up the great work spreading hate. Must be strainious all that work. " take it easy man, the sun will rise and the new day is just a few hours away, and please give up the bigotry thing that word and racism gets used as a last act of difiance here all the time......it's almost a battle cry for some train members.......settle down ..breath...feel better yet ?
Godfather.
Oh Allah, the ex-resident bigot is defending the current resident bigot. I don't need a cowboy from Ca to tell me to settle down. When someone labels me an anti-Semite or tells me I want all Israel supporters to wear a fucken yellow star, they open themselves up for fair game. And for a gung-ho American, you sure botch the English language a lot. Thanks for caring tho, I'll take your advise for a cool 30 seconds. Now I'll go and enjoy the sunny Ca weather. Yes I'm here in your state again.
EX-resident bigot ?????? I'm still here ! you say bigot I say proud American...now if I were in the middle east and called the locals bigots and racist how well would that go over ? ya think they might shoot me or my camel ? cowboys in the middle east don't have horses right ? enjoy your visit in ca. get along little doggy LOL !!!!
Godfather.
Arabian horses are arguably the finest horses on the planet.
badbrains, your always the first to throw out personal attacks.."Like I said before, you're full of shit and stink to high heaven with bigotry. But it's all good cuz everyone sees it. Keep up the great work spreading hate. Must be strainious all that work. " take it easy man, the sun will rise and the new day is just a few hours away, and please give up the bigotry thing that word and racism gets used as a last act of difiance here all the time......it's almost a battle cry for some train members.......settle down ..breath...feel better yet ?
Godfather.
Oh Allah, the ex-resident bigot is defending the current resident bigot. I don't need a cowboy from Ca to tell me to settle down. When someone labels me an anti-Semite or tells me I want all Israel supporters to wear a fucken yellow star, they open themselves up for fair game. And for a gung-ho American, you sure botch the English language a lot. Thanks for caring tho, I'll take your advise for a cool 30 seconds. Now I'll go and enjoy the sunny Ca weather. Yes I'm here in your state again.
EX-resident bigot ?????? I'm still here ! you say bigot I say proud American...now if I were in the middle east and called the locals bigots and racist how well would that go over ? ya think they might shoot me or my camel ? cowboys in the middle east don't have horses right ? enjoy your visit in ca. get along little doggy LOL !!!!
Godfather.
Little doggy? That's all u got? And you laugh like it's the greatest joke of all time? Here's one for you, you're the greatest joke of all time, at least in this forum. Fucken proud American can't even get his American language right. That's pretty funny. Now go run along to your ESL adult class gf. You've been missing to many classes.
Edit-hey GF, since when are Italians the native race in America?
badbrains, your always the first to throw out personal attacks.."Like I said before, you're full of shit and stink to high heaven with bigotry. But it's all good cuz everyone sees it. Keep up the great work spreading hate. Must be strainious all that work. " take it easy man, the sun will rise and the new day is just a few hours away, and please give up the bigotry thing that word and racism gets used as a last act of difiance here all the time......it's almost a battle cry for some train members.......settle down ..breath...feel better yet ?
Godfather.
Oh Allah, the ex-resident bigot is defending the current resident bigot. I don't need a cowboy from Ca to tell me to settle down. When someone labels me an anti-Semite or tells me I want all Israel supporters to wear a fucken yellow star, they open themselves up for fair game. And for a gung-ho American, you sure botch the English language a lot. Thanks for caring tho, I'll take your advise for a cool 30 seconds. Now I'll go and enjoy the sunny Ca weather. Yes I'm here in your state again.
EX-resident bigot ?????? I'm still here ! you say bigot I say proud American...now if I were in the middle east and called the locals bigots and racist how well would that go over ? ya think they might shoot me or my camel ? cowboys in the middle east don't have horses right ? enjoy your visit in ca. get along little doggy LOL !!!!
Godfather.
Arabian horses are arguably the finest horses on the planet.
Stop it gambs, you know EVERYTHING American is the BEST. And if you say otherwise, you need to move out of this country.
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On the other side of the coin, I feel unified with everyone here though because I know we're all here discussing strategies, not premises. We're all basking in the same premise, in that we want to cease the perpetuation of crimes against each other. If ever intervention is deemed necessary, I just hope that it's deemed necessary at a point where the masses (both Western and those in oppressed and/or corrupt societies) understand that we're doing this because we feel morally obligated, and not economically or financially so. And I hope we intervene BECAUSE it's morally obligatory to take care of each other, and NOT for the financial or economic gains. And I hope we fucking prove that, by not introducing corruption but ridding these parts of the world of it (which will probably come at a great expense to us, and that's acceptable and almost obligatory to me). Unfortunately, the Western world is the boy who cried wolf - acting in self-serving ways under the guise of something noble time and time again. Until the Western world can repair this image - no intervention can lead to positive actions, because it will be a fight instead of an alliance.
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
It reminds me of the fact that we are arming our enemy because profit is what matters.
It would be nice if we would actually use "full measures"...not just the military intervention the warhawks call for, but the full divestment of profiting off the instability in the area.
http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2015/03/25/the-battle-for-saudi-arabia-begins/#more-42499
I think there's an option under "preferences".
(wave to rrivers and Juggler)
As has been proving over and over again US involvement does shit. Well creates shit.
Funny how current admin is criticized for keeping us out and lessening our involvement.
So easy to hate. More constructive to understand and have empathy.
But alas we need our "you suck" and I'm special conversations within.
Like I said
Edit-that's one crazy ass sickness you have sitting around looking for articles to post bashing Muslims all the way up in canada. Keep up the good work.
http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20150311-can-canada-teach-the-rest-of-us-to-be-nicer
Godfather.
enjoy your visit in ca. get along little doggy LOL !!!!
Godfather.
Godfather.
Edit-hey GF, since when are Italians the native race in America?