BIlly Corgan talks shit on PJ on Howard Stern show..

facepollution · December 2014

Last-12-Exit said:

the tiki bomb said:
Billy is certainly entitled to his opinion, and if he were to say anything else in any other way, you'd think he wasn't being sincere. "That's show biz you know..."

1979 is the best song from the 90s' and that fucker can say whatever he wants.

Just my opinion, I'd love to see PJ grow a little ("evolve" as Billy said about the Foo's), maybe expand their scope a little, maybe use a different producer or two on their next LPs.

Howie is the best interviewer around, and has been for a while.
I think sober is the best song from the 90's.

For real? I'm sure it has great meaning for you, personally I think it's kind of average by Tool's standards.......

I actually listened to the interview, after just reading about it, I kind of see where he's coming from. From what I can gather, I think he's saying he would rather bands experimented, for better or worse, than just staying in their comfort zone. It pains me to say it, but I think Foos and Pearl Jam to a large extent, both fall into that category. That's not to say they haven't made good music.

But then I think Billy Corgan's urge to keep evolving has resulted in some pretty forgettable music over the last ten years or so, so I think his theory is sound, but in practice he falls short of the mark too. I wonder if he thinks Zeitgeist or The Future Embrace are as good as Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie?

tempo_n_groove · December 2014

BinFrog said:
Three Days by Jane's Addiction is the best song of the 90's and of the past 30 years. There, I said it.

Very good argument to be made. Nicely played.

lolobugg · December 2014

facepollution said:

Last-12-Exit said:

the tiki bomb said:
Billy is certainly entitled to his opinion, and if he were to say anything else in any other way, you'd think he wasn't being sincere. "That's show biz you know..."

1979 is the best song from the 90s' and that fucker can say whatever he wants.

Just my opinion, I'd love to see PJ grow a little ("evolve" as Billy said about the Foo's), maybe expand their scope a little, maybe use a different producer or two on their next LPs.

Howie is the best interviewer around, and has been for a while.
I think sober is the best song from the 90's.
For real? I'm sure it has great meaning for you, personally I think it's kind of average by Tool's standards.......

I actually listened to the interview, after just reading about it, I kind of see where he's coming from. From what I can gather, I think he's saying he would rather bands experimented, for better or worse, than just staying in their comfort zone. It pains me to say it, but I think Foos and Pearl Jam to a large extent, both fall into that category. That's not to say they haven't made good music.

But then I think Billy Corgan's urge to keep evolving has resulted in some pretty forgettable music over the last ten years or so, so I think his theory is sound, but in practice he falls short of the mark too. I wonder if he thinks Zeitgeist or The Future Embrace are as good as Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie?

I agree. Foos and PJ have stayed in their comfort zones and it has paid off in keeping a large live audience. Billy has really gone in some different directions especially in the late 90s/early 00s and he lost a lot of his audience. I respect his artistic intent however it has backfired in terms of retaining his popularity.

ikiT · December 2014

I totally see where he's coming from. Good records? Sure. Full arenas? Yes. Pushing the envelope? Hardly. Popularity's overrated.

Public Enemy's Shut 'Em Down and Ice Cube's AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted were pretty good songs, too. Sure Shot by the Beastie Boys...

lolobugg · December 2014

the tiki bomb said:
I totally see where he's coming from. Good records? Sure. Full arenas? Yes. Pushing the envelope? Hardly. Popularity's overrated.

Public Enemy's Shut 'Em Down and Ice Cube's AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted were pretty good too.

Dude, I swear we are twins.
Love me some PE and Cube's first album.

ikiT · December 2014

When they announce that tour later today, we'll have to get together on lotto picks.
Or Firefly.

ikiT · December 2014

That's why I'm sicka getting treated like a goddamn stepchild...
Fuck a punk cause I aint him
you gotta deal with the 9 double m.

hey yo cube.

I wore that tape out. I'm not even talking about the Vitalogy connection.

lolobugg · December 2014

the tiki bomb said:
That's why I'm sicka getting treated like a goddamn stepchild...
Fuck a punk cause I aint him
you gotta deal with the 9 double m.

hey yo cube.

I wore that tape out. I'm not even talking about the Vitalogy connection.

I had the edited version originally....
I think it was missing half the songs on the real album.

)
the Bomb Squad had some of the best tracks of all time.....
that's where Biggie and 2Pac lost me.... music just wasn't as good.

ikiT · December 2014

Exactly. All of that second wave new jack shizzy was weak. I didn't even like The Chronic initially...I mean, I bought it, but I really struggled with it.
We are twins.
Sorry to hijack this thread.

I think BC gave some pretty honest answers.

Last-12-Exit · December 2014

facepollution said:

Last-12-Exit said:

the tiki bomb said:
Billy is certainly entitled to his opinion, and if he were to say anything else in any other way, you'd think he wasn't being sincere. "That's show biz you know..."

1979 is the best song from the 90s' and that fucker can say whatever he wants.

Just my opinion, I'd love to see PJ grow a little ("evolve" as Billy said about the Foo's), maybe expand their scope a little, maybe use a different producer or two on their next LPs.

Howie is the best interviewer around, and has been for a while.
I think sober is the best song from the 90's.
For real? I'm sure it has great meaning for you, personally I think it's kind of average by Tool's standards.......

I actually listened to the interview, after just reading about it, I kind of see where he's coming from. From what I can gather, I think he's saying he would rather bands experimented, for better or worse, than just staying in their comfort zone. It pains me to say it, but I think Foos and Pearl Jam to a large extent, both fall into that category. That's not to say they haven't made good music.

But then I think Billy Corgan's urge to keep evolving has resulted in some pretty forgettable music over the last ten years or so, so I think his theory is sound, but in practice he falls short of the mark too. I wonder if he thinks Zeitgeist or The Future Embrace are as good as Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie?

Of all the songs of the 90's, sober stuck with me from the first time I heard it. I know what you're saying by an average tool song. Tool has some unbelievably good music. It was way overplayed and I think that sways some to say it's average.

Anyone that knows me knows my love for 90's music. I like it all, from the foo fighters to pearl jam to Alanis Morrisette. And when ever I'm asked about the best songs of that decade, Sober is always on top of that list.

RS151862 · December 2014

On today's Stern show Barbra Walters walked in wearing leather pants and said Nixon could have got her. Discuss...

facepollution · December 2014

Last-12-Exit said:

facepollution said:

Last-12-Exit said:

the tiki bomb said:
Billy is certainly entitled to his opinion, and if he were to say anything else in any other way, you'd think he wasn't being sincere. "That's show biz you know..."

1979 is the best song from the 90s' and that fucker can say whatever he wants.

Just my opinion, I'd love to see PJ grow a little ("evolve" as Billy said about the Foo's), maybe expand their scope a little, maybe use a different producer or two on their next LPs.

Howie is the best interviewer around, and has been for a while.
I think sober is the best song from the 90's.
For real? I'm sure it has great meaning for you, personally I think it's kind of average by Tool's standards.......

I actually listened to the interview, after just reading about it, I kind of see where he's coming from. From what I can gather, I think he's saying he would rather bands experimented, for better or worse, than just staying in their comfort zone. It pains me to say it, but I think Foos and Pearl Jam to a large extent, both fall into that category. That's not to say they haven't made good music.

But then I think Billy Corgan's urge to keep evolving has resulted in some pretty forgettable music over the last ten years or so, so I think his theory is sound, but in practice he falls short of the mark too. I wonder if he thinks Zeitgeist or The Future Embrace are as good as Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie?

Of all the songs of the 90's, sober stuck with me from the first time I heard it. I know what you're saying by an average tool song. Tool has some unbelievably good music. It was way overplayed and I think that sways some to say it's average.

Anyone that knows me knows my love for 90's music. I like it all, from the foo fighters to pearl jam to Alanis Morrisette. And when ever I'm asked about the best songs of that decade, Sober is always on top of that list.

I think it just feels a bit rudimentary by Tool's standards, like they honed their craft after that song, but to each their own

I think there's a difference between best songs, and songs that kind of capture the mood of the time. It also depends on how old you were back then I guess, and how that music related to your own life. I was 13/14 in 1994, and nobody quite captured that youthful angst and yearning for me quite like the Pumpkins. It wasn't even the lyrics, it was the mood or vibe of the music that hooked me in. Songs like Thirty Three and 1979 still stir up emotions to this day.

HughFreakingDillon · December 2014

I don't get with all the folks chiming in bitching about people defending Ed/PJ. that is 10% of the discussion. the rest of the posts are honest, non-partisan debate. you are going to get that 10% in any discussion in any walk of life.

HughFreakingDillon · December 2014

that being said, I bought Monuments last night on iTunes. I really think I need to stop giving BC my money. I don't get where the "return to form" reviews are coming from. so many synth beats and 80's style pop melodies, instant bargain bin. two, maybe three good tracks.

cp3iverson · December 2014

Billy has always cared a little too much about generations, popculture, legacies, etc. Kind of lame. I'll always like the original lineup's albums. In the 2000s and 2010s though he's been really embarrassing.

His problem with PJ is probably that they've kept what he's lost.

T-Bone 82 · December 2014

Corgan is a great artist. I loved the Pumpkins. Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie & The Infinite Sadness were incredible records. Having said that, on a personal level he seems to be a guy I would not want to spend 2 seconds with. He's always whining. He's always putting people down. Just go away, dude. Your time has passed. Keep making music if you want to, but do it because love it and don't worry about other artists and bands.

I went to a Pumpkins (version 2.0) show in '07 at the Tower Theater just outside Philly. It was a great show and I'm glad I attended. But I will never attend another Corgan / Pumpkins performance. The guy doesn't deserve my money.

nthngsms2fly · December 2014

I'm just going to leave these here:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ESMCx0KNVkw

The Juggler · December 2014

the tiki bomb said:
Billy is certainly entitled to his opinion, and if he were to say anything else in any other way, you'd think he wasn't being sincere. "That's show biz you know..."

1979 is the best song from the 90s' and that fucker can say whatever he wants.

Just my opinion, I'd love to see PJ grow a little ("evolve" as Billy said about the Foo's), maybe expand their scope a little, maybe use a different producer or two on their next LPs.

Howie is the best interviewer around, and has been for a while.

yeah, i think the foo's criticism, which i agree with by the way, should have also been used for pj instead of "they don't have the songs." they've got tons of great songs, but haven't evolved as much as a lot of us would've liked over the last decade....

people need to chill the fuck out around here.

Abe Froman · December 2014

Just a few random thoughts...

1. Gish & Siamese Dream are two of my favorite records ever.
2. Mellon Collie for me is just ok. About 8 fantastic tracks and a bunch of other stuff I can't listen to at all.
3. After Mellon Collie I can't stand almost anything William has put out.
4. I don't really see people being that upset over what he's said just giving their opinions on his statements about a band that they love.
5. William has been whining since day 1. Its no surprise.
6. In my opinion PJ has maintained a great balance between keeping fans excited but still doing things their own way. (which seems like an incredibly tough balance to maintain)
7. I disagree with people saying PJ has played it "safe". They have taking plenty of musical risks over the years and it has worked. (No Code, Binaural)
8. PJ is the best live band in the world. Although I have not seen the Pumpkins in years, I have heard the live shows are not very good.
9. William is amazing on guitar.
10. I wish he would stop whining and get back to massive feedback and rocking the fuck out!

Wma31394 · December 2014

Last-12-Exit said:
Sorry Billy, the smashing pumpkins not only are NOT one of the 2 most influential bands from the 90's, you're barely in the top 10. Maybe #10.

I'll repeat, he's a fucking douche bag

Lol all you guys saying he's a douche bag.. I dont think what he said was that bad..mist actually true but yes billy does like to push buttons..pumpkins where definitely top 5 out of 90s..they had their own sound and it ripped.

BIlly Corgan talks shit on PJ on Howard Stern show..

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