BIlly Corgan talks shit on PJ on Howard Stern show..

Wma31394

Gish.. Siamese dream.. Melon collie.. 3 great albums.

The Juggler

Wma31394 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Sorry Billy, the smashing pumpkins not only are NOT one of the 2 most influential bands from the 90's, you're barely in the top 10. Maybe #10.

I'll repeat, he's a fucking douche bag

Lol all you guys saying he's a douche bag.. I dont think what he said was that bad..mist actually true but yes billy does like to push buttons..pumpkins where definitely top 5 out of 90s..they had their own sound and it ripped.

haha....people's feelings are so easily hurt around here.

derbydave

The Juggler said:

Wma31394 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Sorry Billy, the smashing pumpkins not only are NOT one of the 2 most influential bands from the 90's, you're barely in the top 10. Maybe #10.

I'll repeat, he's a fucking douche bag

Lol all you guys saying he's a douche bag.. I dont think what he said was that bad..mist actually true but yes billy does like to push buttons..pumpkins where definitely top 5 out of 90s..they had their own sound and it ripped.

haha....I SWEAR TO GOD...people's feelings are so easily hurt around here.

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The Juggler

derbydave said:

The Juggler said:

Wma31394 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Sorry Billy, the smashing pumpkins not only are NOT one of the 2 most influential bands from the 90's, you're barely in the top 10. Maybe #10.

I'll repeat, he's a fucking douche bag

Lol all you guys saying he's a douche bag.. I dont think what he said was that bad..mist actually true but yes billy does like to push buttons..pumpkins where definitely top 5 out of 90s..they had their own sound and it ripped.

haha....I SWEAR TO GOD...people's feelings are so easily hurt around here.

FIXED

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lolobugg

derbydave said:

The Juggler said:

Wma31394 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Sorry Billy, the smashing pumpkins not only are NOT one of the 2 most influential bands from the 90's, you're barely in the top 10. Maybe #10.

I'll repeat, he's a fucking douche bag

Lol all you guys saying he's a douche bag.. I dont think what he said was that bad..mist actually true but yes billy does like to push buttons..pumpkins where definitely top 5 out of 90s..they had their own sound and it ripped.

haha....I SWEAR TO GOD...people's feelings are so easily hurt around here.

FIXED

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derbydave

The Juggler said:

derbydave said:

The Juggler said:

Wma31394 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Sorry Billy, the smashing pumpkins not only are NOT one of the 2 most influential bands from the 90's, you're barely in the top 10. Maybe #10.

I'll repeat, he's a fucking douche bag

Lol all you guys saying he's a douche bag.. I dont think what he said was that bad..mist actually true but yes billy does like to push buttons..pumpkins where definitely top 5 out of 90s..they had their own sound and it ripped.

haha....I SWEAR TO GOD...people's feelings are so easily hurt around here.

FIXED

hey...wait a....hey!

I thought this thread could us a little BATMAN humor!!
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Wma31394

bootlegger10 said:

Billy Corgan is responsible for the demise of his band and popularity. No question. Smashing Pumpkins were up there with Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, and STP but Corgan blew it and killed the legacy. SP put out some great, great records that probably all but 10 bands in the nineties would haved killed for.

Blew his legacy?? He created it.. None of those bands you mention made any great music aside from their 90s albums. You think nirvana would have?? No way. Has pj?? I don't think so. Better he killed the band.. Although I wish jimmy was still playing with him but he will again.

BinFrog

Wma31394 said:

Gish.. Siamese dream.. Melon collie.. 3 great albums.

HAVE to include Pisces in there too.

Amongst the Ani

Part of the problem is people reading snipets of interviews rather than listening to them. Inflection of voice is lost and people who are posting opinions of interviews are doing so trying to get more clicks themselves. You can grab a small part to support to make any point you want to make. I listened to it and I don't get where all the anger is coming from. We all love PJ or we wouldn't be here in 10c. If you look at everything with a non 10c frame of mind they don't have the stable of songs that have kept them as the top act from that era. While they did have a recent #1 album that was because we all rushed out and bought it on release day. You only need to sell a couple hundred thousand copies in a week (unless Lady Gaga or some other Pop act releases as well) to accomplish that. We covered that here easily. When you go to shows how many younger fans are there who weren't shown the love of PJ by their parents? Very few. This is not to say PJ does not have a stable of amazing songs as they do. They are my favorite band by far and I love all the albums except Backspacer as most here do as well. It is from the sphere of music in general, not as a PJ fan. None of my friends at work who are of close to the same age do not even know PJ is still putting out new music and they are rock fans as well. Maybe I need to keep better company, but it is the truth and if you polled 50 people in the right age on the street most would say the same.

So far as Foo they found their niche and are sticking with it. We forget how pissed people were at Metalica back in the day for trying something different with the Black album. If Foo found a sound that sells and they are happy why should they try something different. As William said this is still a business and the Foo sell shows out.

Plus +1 to Sober being the best song of the 90's. End of Silence from Rollins was the best non Grunge album from that era as well.

Last-12-Exit

The Juggler said:

Wma31394 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Sorry Billy, the smashing pumpkins not only are NOT one of the 2 most influential bands from the 90's, you're barely in the top 10. Maybe #10.

I'll repeat, he's a fucking douche bag

Lol all you guys saying he's a douche bag.. I dont think what he said was that bad..mist actually true but yes billy does like to push buttons..pumpkins where definitely top 5 out of 90s..they had their own sound and it ripped.

haha....people's feelings are so easily hurt around here.

My feelings aren't at all hurt. Don't be silly. I 100% disagree with what he said. The smashing pumpkins certainly had an original sound. And some great cds. But they were far from influential. For him to proclaim the it was nirvana and him up there as the best of the 90's is borderline retarded.

I stand by what I said earlier. Billy corgan while a great songwriter, has a horrific voice. He's horrible live. If pearl jam didn't write another new song, they could still sell out tours for the next 10-15 years. The smashing pumpkins can't and Billy know that. CD for CD, pearl jam is just better.

And why now do some of you think that PJ hasn't evolved? Or changed and experimented? Do any of you remember Binaural and riot act? Avacado and BS were average at best. And LB is really good. Billy corgan hasn't wriiten a good CD since the turn of the century.

HollisBrown

Billy Corgan is to Eddie what Lex Luthor is to Superman.

HughFreakingDillon

The Juggler said:

Wma31394 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Sorry Billy, the smashing pumpkins not only are NOT one of the 2 most influential bands from the 90's, you're barely in the top 10. Maybe #10.

I'll repeat, he's a fucking douche bag

Lol all you guys saying he's a douche bag.. I dont think what he said was that bad..mist actually true but yes billy does like to push buttons..pumpkins where definitely top 5 out of 90s..they had their own sound and it ripped.

haha....people's feelings are so easily hurt around here.

why can't people have a discussion without people claiming that everyone is butthurt over this? very few of us are taking it personally, just voicing our opinion about his statements. nothing more.

my2hands

paulonious said:

The Juggler said:

Wma31394 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Sorry Billy, the smashing pumpkins not only are NOT one of the 2 most influential bands from the 90's, you're barely in the top 10. Maybe #10.

I'll repeat, he's a fucking douche bag

Lol all you guys saying he's a douche bag.. I dont think what he said was that bad..mist actually true but yes billy does like to push buttons..pumpkins where definitely top 5 out of 90s..they had their own sound and it ripped.

haha....people's feelings are so easily hurt around here.

why can't people have a discussion without people claiming that everyone is butthurt over this? very few of us are taking it personally, just voicing our opinion about his statements. nothing more.

this is the Pearl Jam message board afterall... perhaps we should go back to talking about how many different color Fixer singles we have? lol

nobody's feelings are hurt... they are just calling an asshole an asshole... and Billy Corgan is an asshole

HughFreakingDillon

my2hands said:

paulonious said:

The Juggler said:

Wma31394 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Sorry Billy, the smashing pumpkins not only are NOT one of the 2 most influential bands from the 90's, you're barely in the top 10. Maybe #10.

I'll repeat, he's a fucking douche bag

Lol all you guys saying he's a douche bag.. I dont think what he said was that bad..mist actually true but yes billy does like to push buttons..pumpkins where definitely top 5 out of 90s..they had their own sound and it ripped.

haha....people's feelings are so easily hurt around here.

why can't people have a discussion without people claiming that everyone is butthurt over this? very few of us are taking it personally, just voicing our opinion about his statements. nothing more.

this is the Pearl Jam message board afterall... perhaps we should go back to talking about how many different color Fixer singles we have? lol

nobody's feelings are hurt... they are just calling an asshole an asshole... and Billy Corgan is an asshole

exactly.

ikiT

I'm not advocating a Pharrell or Timbaland produced LP, but, to me, the Brendan O Brien, Adam Kaspar, Pearl Jam production sounds like they're doing what they want without being challenged. Binaural is the only "diffferent" sounding record.

If they collaborated with Rick Rubin or Daniel Lanois, or Steve Albini, they'd evolve, and I'd be stoked.

There's nothing wrong with what they're doing now, but just think of the possibilities.

DischordVision

First of all, Billy and the Pumpkins were surrounded in controversy in the 90s. remember when their touring keyboardist died of a heroin overdose and Jimmy Chamberlain was arrested?
The band couldn't keep it together and if you measure success and evolving then PJ has done that time and time again...
Billy Corgan wrote many great songs throughout his career but I find him highly egotistical when stating PJ hasn't evolved. His latest albums are selfish in a sense that only himself, the artist, knows what the hell they mean...Teargarden by Kaliedyscope?? as a band and audience you shouldn't distance yourself from that...
Also who in their right mind would ever collaborate let alone live w/ Courtney Love??
In summation, Billy Corgan is a goth/emo white dude from Chicago who wrote some catchy tunes in the 90s and thinks he's evolution in the flesh yet can't keep band members together because of his ego...SO MUCH FOR EVOLUTION...

HughFreakingDillon

the tiki bomb said:

I'm not advocating a Pharrell or Timbaland produced LP, but, to me, the Brendan O Brien, Adam Kaspar, Pearl Jam production sounds like they're doing what they want without being challenged. Binaural is the only "diffferent" sounding record.

If they collaborated with Rick Rubin or Daniel Lanois, or Steve Albini, they'd evolve, and I'd be stoked.

There's nothing wrong with what they're doing now, but just think of the possibilities.

I disagree. No Code was incredibly polarizing and experimental. Going from Ten to VS was a huge difference in sound, I thought. The weirdo songs on Vitalogy was viewed as just fucking weird. then they got political (Riot Act and S/T). Then they went for short punky songs (S/T). Then they had fun (Backspacer). Then they did it all (LB).

To say this band hasn't evolved, for better or worse, in my mind, is saying you aren't paying attention. It ain't U2's Pop, mind you, but they are also not ACDC.

HughFreakingDillon

that being said, I'd like a different producer. when you stick with one producer too long, it all just ends up kind of sounding the same. Albini would be crazy. But he probably wouldn't do it! Rubin would be good. Not Lanois, though. Too slick. But they won't ever change from BoB, I don't think. he seems to think he's IN the band, and they seem to consider him in kind.

igotid88

paulonious said:

the tiki bomb said:

I'm not advocating a Pharrell or Timbaland produced LP, but, to me, the Brendan O Brien, Adam Kaspar, Pearl Jam production sounds like they're doing what they want without being challenged. Binaural is the only "diffferent" sounding record.

If they collaborated with Rick Rubin or Daniel Lanois, or Steve Albini, they'd evolve, and I'd be stoked.

There's nothing wrong with what they're doing now, but just think of the possibilities.

I disagree. No Code was incredibly polarizing and experimental. Going from Ten to VS was a huge difference in sound, I thought. The weirdo songs on Vitalogy was viewed as just fucking weird. then they got political (Riot Act and S/T). Then they went for short punky songs (S/T). Then they had fun (Backspacer). Then they did it all (LB).

To say this band hasn't evolved, for better or worse, in my mind, is saying you aren't paying attention. It ain't U2's Pop, mind you, but they are also not ACDC.

Yea I don't know how someone can say PJ hasn't evolved? They lost many fans because of they evolved. Even though BC said it about the Foos. I would like to see them work with a Rick Rubin or something. But you know the same people here who are agreeing with Billy will rag on that too.

facepollution

I wonder what current rock bands Billy Corgan does actually rate? It seems that he thinks rock is dead, but there are bands like QOTSA, Death From Above 1979 and Royal Blood who are playing big riff rock and making it sound current, whilst still giving a nod to the past.