Michael Brown Shooting

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  • whispering hands
    whispering hands Under your skin Posts: 13,527

    rr165892 said:

    dignin said:

    What part of alleged do you people not understand? Brown will never get his day in court.

    The demonization of the victim seems to have worked.

    Fact is fact Digin.The kid was a criminal.This wasn't some little cherub sitting on a park bench minding his own buisness.I also don't believe for minute he chose to become an upstanding citizen in those heated moments before the kill shots.If he even tried to assault the officer,made any move to threaten Wilson's safety or disobeyed a direct order,therefore giving the impression of threat then everything that happens after is justified and in the line of duty.
    so are you guys saying someone who commits an unarmed robbery deserves to be murdered in the street?
    That was a precursor.. Plain and simple.. Did you know that what he did to that store clerk (putting his hands around the guy's neck and continuing to try to do so,), is a precursor to murder in any investigation? Even if you don't actually suffocate the person. It is an act of murderous intent. No not every in armed suspect should be shot, but this kid continually and with brutal action resisted Wilson's attempt to apprehend him into custody. That by itself, can be construed as harmful intent, but when he tried to get his weapon, THAT was the nail that sealed his coffin. Why was he 100 some odd feet away? Some say he ran, others say he brazenly walked away. None the less Wilson at this time, from what I understand, though things keep changing in this story, told him two or three times that he would shoot if he didn't go to his knees, or at the very least stop. He was within his rights. Period. An officer may shoot and or kill a suspect that has shown murderous intent that is evading arrest. That is what he did. It's under a harm to others clause.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661

    rr165892 said:

    dignin said:

    What part of alleged do you people not understand? Brown will never get his day in court.

    The demonization of the victim seems to have worked.

    Fact is fact Digin.The kid was a criminal.This wasn't some little cherub sitting on a park bench minding his own buisness.I also don't believe for minute he chose to become an upstanding citizen in those heated moments before the kill shots.If he even tried to assault the officer,made any move to threaten Wilson's safety or disobeyed a direct order,therefore giving the impression of threat then everything that happens after is justified and in the line of duty.
    so are you guys saying someone who commits an unarmed robbery deserves to be murdered in the street?
    No, but the cop being threatened deserved to defend himself.
  • whispering hands
    whispering hands Under your skin Posts: 13,527
    muskydan said:

    JC29856 said:

    off the topic a bit.... what happens to all the criminal and thug cases that Wilson was involved in and hasnt shown up to since he ran hiding all these months? do the criminal thugs get off scott free because wilson failed to appear?

    I can answer this one for you…YES Its rule number 10 in the ghetto lottery handbook
    Lmfao!! The Ghetto lottery handbook!! Thanks for that laugh!
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    it clearly isnt about race and it clearly isnt about thugs saying enough is enough....clearly

    http://ago.mo.gov/VehicleStops/2013/reports/161.pdf

    clearly
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    :)) =)) =)) sorry guy's but this is just crazy ...we can make this all easer if we all just post "defence" or "prosicution" (somebody correct my spelling please) because that's what it will boil down to on here,we have different statements from both sides so this will be another one of those "wait for the verdict" trials then the media will follow the winner like blood hounds at a butcher shop and dig up all the dirt on the police and the dead boy or his family that they can....just to piss you guys off :))


    Godfather.
  • whispering hands
    whispering hands Under your skin Posts: 13,527
    Again too PC.. How dare that white ifficer defend himself cause the guy threatening his life happens to be black!!! 80% of Ferguson IS BLACK!!! 10% is Latin, and the Caucasian percentage?? Why is it people can't wrap their heads around that. Does the race oercentage have a factor in the gang population fuck no! That's a choice, there can be just as many white gangs as black or any other race! That is ignorance. What pisses me off is peoe are saying this kid was MURDERED. What if he'd gotten ahold of the weapon and HE KILLED WILSON, as he ran?? Would that be murder? Or would the ignorance abound and all the little PC pussies say it was self defense? My money is on that scenario being labeled as SD. Why? Cause the guy was black .

    Let's ignore race for a second.. Say it was two people of the exact same ethnic origin. Now what's your verdict? The sad thing is, is it's the in thing to decide thighs based on a PC principle, which is bullshit. Just like the "facts" in this case keep changing.. I think the officers that lie, should be prosecuted. I think the offending officer should be removed from the line of duty, because further service would remain controversial. But I do not think he was in the wrong. I've spent a weekend in Ferguson, rough town, cops ARE assholes there. But to watch their nightly news, made me appreciate Joplin's stupid meth stories on the news a bit more. ( even though it was just as bad
    From a different end of the spectrum). Quit being so politically correct, cause reality is buried in that context.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Please whispering, stick to the facts. We don't know if Brown went for Wilsons gun. That's Wilsons story, why do you take it as gospel?
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    I don't know what actually happened.....but my common sense tells me that it is doubtful that Brown was dumb enough to just randomly go for a cops gun. I can't see a motive for it. But I can see a motive for Wilson saying that he did.

    But again that is speculation on my part, nothing more, nothing less......and I'm not going to pretend I know it as fact.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,187
    dignin said:

    I don't know what actually happened.....but my common sense tells me that it is doubtful that Brown was dumb enough to just randomly go for a cops gun. I can't see a motive for it. But I can see a motive for Wilson saying that he did.

    But again that is speculation on my part, nothing more, nothing less......and I'm not going to pretend I know it as fact.

    That's kind of my belief as well....how likely is it that this kid (no matter how big he is) is going to go after an officer's gun? Very unlikely.

    That coupled with the EYEWITNESS REPORTS paint a pretty clear picture to me.

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  • JC29856
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    Again too PC.. How dare that white ifficer defend himself cause the guy threatening his life happens to be black!!! 80% of Ferguson IS BLACK!!! 10% is Latin, and the Caucasian percentage?? Why is it people can't wrap their heads around that. Does the race oercentage have a factor in the gang population fuck no! That's a choice, there can be just as many white gangs as black or any other race! That is ignorance. What pisses me off is peoe are saying this kid was MURDERED. What if he'd gotten ahold of the weapon and HE KILLED WILSON, as he ran?? Would that be murder? Or would the ignorance abound and all the little PC pussies say it was self defense? My money is on that scenario being labeled as SD. Why? Cause the guy was black .

    Let's ignore race for a second.. Say it was two people of the exact same ethnic origin. Now what's your verdict? The sad thing is, is it's the in thing to decide thighs based on a PC principle, which is bullshit. Just like the "facts" in this case keep changing.. I think the officers that lie, should be prosecuted. I think the offending officer should be removed from the line of duty, because further service would remain controversial. But I do not think he was in the wrong. I've spent a weekend in Ferguson, rough town, cops ARE assholes there. But to watch their nightly news, made me appreciate Joplin's stupid meth stories on the news a bit more. ( even though it was just as bad
    From a different end of the spectrum). Quit being so politically correct, cause reality is buried in that context.

    Speaking of ignorance at least get your statistics straight...i posted the profiling data Ferguson 63% black 33% white 1% latin.
    Now you were saying?
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,187

    Again too PC.. How dare that white ifficer defend himself cause the guy threatening his life happens to be black!!! 80% of Ferguson IS BLACK!!! 10% is Latin, and the Caucasian percentage?? Why is it people can't wrap their heads around that. Does the race oercentage have a factor in the gang population fuck no! That's a choice, there can be just as many white gangs as black or any other race! That is ignorance. What pisses me off is peoe are saying this kid was MURDERED. What if he'd gotten ahold of the weapon and HE KILLED WILSON, as he ran?? Would that be murder? Or would the ignorance abound and all the little PC pussies say it was self defense? My money is on that scenario being labeled as SD. Why? Cause the guy was black .

    Let's ignore race for a second.. Say it was two people of the exact same ethnic origin. Now what's your verdict? The sad thing is, is it's the in thing to decide thighs based on a PC principle, which is bullshit. Just like the "facts" in this case keep changing.. I think the officers that lie, should be prosecuted. I think the offending officer should be removed from the line of duty, because further service would remain controversial. But I do not think he was in the wrong. I've spent a weekend in Ferguson, rough town, cops ARE assholes there. But to watch their nightly news, made me appreciate Joplin's stupid meth stories on the news a bit more. ( even though it was just as bad
    From a different end of the spectrum). Quit being so politically correct, cause reality is buried in that context.

    What % of the Ferguson police force is black?
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  • rgambs
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    whispering please be civil, i would hate to see this thread get locked!
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    whispering please be civil, i would hate to see this thread get locked!
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,187
    Yes...Moderators it would be nice to delete offending posts (pretty please :))rather than lock the thread if you don't mind. I think enough of us are keeping our emotions in check.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    dignin said:

    Please whispering, stick to the facts. We don't know if Brown went for Wilsons gun. That's Wilsons story, why do you take it as gospel?

    Actually the going for the gun isn't from Wilson. The going for the gun is from leaks and/or from Josie"
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I have yet to read an offending post on this page.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146

    I have yet to read an offending post on this page.

    and you're the expert on those ;):))
  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    perhaps we should all turn on some PJ Radio and just Chillax a bit…
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Let's not forget these leaks...
    Wilson was nearly beaten to death
    Wilson suffered a broken orbital bone eye socket

    He heals pretty quickly as evidenced from the video with him, the union rep and attorney just 2.5 hours after the incident
  • JC29856 said:

    RE#
    My answer your post is this (my questions aren't at you but questions in general)...I think that is exactly what people want, fairness and equality. I think people want evidence, facts and justice served. Do you think in this particular case, we have gotten it? Do you think facts, evidence and justice has been served and laws followed? The facts and evidence I rely on cannot be called rumor and cannot be spun, twisted by any news source blog or otherwise. Can a reasonable person applying simple logic to what little facts and evidence release make any sense to what the authorities have said and put forth? Are we to believe what the authorities have told us?
    its indisputable that Wilson never filed an incident report which he is required to do by LAW? Have you seen the incident report that was released weeks later, after several sunshine law requests? It says nothing. Why wasn't a police report filed when an officer was involved in killing a person? Why not a video statement from Wilson describing exactly what went down to cause him to use lethal force immediately after the incident?
    Can the distance between Browns body and Wilson's SUV be disputed twisted or spun? Why would the police report that the distance was 35 feet when its actually around 100 feet?
    Ignoring the 6 eyewitnesses accounts, can real time audio and video of 2 construction workers not far from the scene be disputed twisted or spun? Why seconds after Wilson gunned down Brown would 2 construction workers say he stopped turned around and had his hands up while motioning with their hands up?
    Its a fact that even before Browns body, which lay dead in the street for 4.5 hours (why did it lay there so long?) was removed, Wilson was consulting with police union reps and an attorney. Why? What did Wilson do wrong to need an attorney so quickly? If by law you are innocent until proven guilty (which didn't apply to Brown) and Wilson followed the laws then why did Wilson run and hide from the law that he is sworn to uphold?
    You don't think this stinks to high heavens? What is taking the grand jury so long to decide whether or not to indict? What could they possibly be deliberating over? Is this the longest grand jury decision about a cop in US history? Remember this is an indictment, not a trial, this is the first step in the legal process to see if there was wrongdoing. There's a saying that a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich, is the opposite true?
    Why the state of emergency, is it even legal for a governor to declare a state of emergency over a grand jury decision (another first in US history)?
    I can go on and on... so I ask where is this due process you mention? where was it for Brown? where is it for Wilson?

    Your questions are fair... and Wilson clearly crossed the line. But you really seem to ignore the other side to this issue. Here's some questions you might not necessarily like given your propensity to tout Brown as an angel (or at least never acknowledge the fact that he was the root of this problem):

    Why did Brown rob the convenience store? Why did Brown provoke a confrontation with the police? Was the struggle at some point in time a 'life and death' fight for Wilson? Why did Brown only relent after he lost the upper hand in this altercation? Would Brown have exercised restraint if he had succeeded in wrestling the firearm from Wilson? Would Brown's criminal behaviours have stopped if he had not crossed paths with Wilson?

    If this was a young man riding home on his bike after shopping at the convenience store, stopped by police, and then shot dead... I'd be as outraged as you. However... this isn't exactly the case.

    And are you suggesting, given all we know from the past regarding people's reactions to such decisions, that the state make no preparations at all? Do you actually think that would be wise?
    brown did not provoke a confrontation with wilson. wilson drove up to him and told him to "get the fuck out of the street." wilson drove up to him with typical hardass cop posturing and provoked the whole thing.
    In your other post, you seemed incredulous at why someone would be going for a cop's gun- stating that would not be the first thing you'd do if confronted by an officer of the law. I ask you... exactly what frame of mind was Brown in when, immediately following robbing a convenience store, he brazenly walked down the middle of the street?

    To my way of thinking, if I had just robbed a convenience store... I would not be walking down the middle of the street. I would be slinking through alleyways and trying to get home with my loot. If I was walking down the middle of the street instead of slinking through alleyways freshly after committing a crime... I'm thinking that I'm the man and I'm ready for anything.

    You say typical hardass cop posturing provoked the whole thing... I say typical badass criminal fuck everyone attitude provoked the whole thing.
    people brazenly walk down the middle of the street here all the time. that is city life here. there are reports that wilson did not know about the robbery. i am saying he did not have to take the tone he took with brown. "get the fuck out of the street" is what started this. this attitude that brown was somehow below him. what it boils down to is brown was jaywalking, and instead of getting a ticket he got executed.
    Say nothing of the fact he tried to wrestle a cop's gun away. This was a small detail you managed to leave out.
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