Michael Brown Shooting

JC29856

i feel it necessary to mention this fact... brown was killed more than 108 feet away from the SUV. how did he get at least 108 feet away from the SUV (a chevy tahoe for those that are wondering)?
did he walk, bike, run, fly, skateboard, scooter?

JC29856

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

The kid (yes he was 18 years old so that automatically makes him a MAN) was executed in the street. Eyewitnesses described it...and yes a few of the eyewitnesses were white so you can trust them.

Most on here pointing out the fact that Brown was acting badly are alluding to the behaviours- hardly indicators of racism. Where do you come off making such implications?

scroll up see post at 926am

rgambs

whispering hands said:

rgambs said:

whispering hands said:

I have to say, ANY report of a person attempting to use an officer's weapon on them, following that surveillance video of that same person strong arming a store owner like he did, SHOULD involve them getting killed. From what I've heard, the officer warned him to stop, told him he'd shoot him. I feel kinda good knowing that that sort if human being is off the streets. ( and I don't mean a black guy off the streets, I mean a thug).
Some people might say his mother could have raised him better. I don't necessarily think his mother did a bad job. Has anyone here ever BEEN to Ferguson?? It's crazy stupid gang filled! I haven't seen shade like that since walking down Spencer ave in L.A.. It is sorta scary for the common person there. I look at it like.. One less thug robbing and killing and taping people off the streets. And I can say that knowing that this MB kid made a CHOICE. He CHOSE what he was going to do, went did it, got killed, happy ending. That may sound fucked up, but it's true.. Have at it.

so ANY time a cop mistakenly shoots someone, all they have to do is report that they went for their gun and you support it? Sounds a little crazy...happy ending? There is a dead person involved here, i am sure you have never made mistakes or disrespected authority, clearly you havnt or that would make your statement BS hypocrite talk.
It's not so black and white as a "happy ending"...even criminals have family who loves them and mourn when they die UNNECESSARILY!

So you're saying the cop should have let him continue on his rant?? I'm sorry a criminal life is a choice, I'm just saying he got what he deserved. If he wanted to live, he should have made better choices. I may seem jaded to most. But after seeing all the fucked up shit I've seen involving the nature of human beings, I just find it hard to have sympathy for people like this kid who thought nothing could touch him, thought he didn't have to be a legitimate citizen, why would he when crime was working so much better for him?? I feel for his family, it sucks losing lived ones.. But to call his death unnecessary is ridiculous. It was either him or the cop. MB made his choice the cop made his. It's a happy ending in that there's one less brutal thug in the streets. But in that factor alone. This was more than necessary, maybe you need to go do some field work, ride along with the police, an ambulance, turn off the fucking TV and go smell life slip away from REAL people. ( I know you don't have cable gamba, but you get the news, right?) go see that shit for real, go to the Ghettos, to the homeless camps, go.. Go see the shit you see on your television.. Go see the real world, for what it really is.. In the fields of work I have done I've seen more people for brutal and TRULY UNNECESSARY DEATHS, at the hands of thug Jack assessment this MB kid than anyone should ever have to! And you see it in real life versus just over a television screen, it should make you angry, for the victims. MB was NOT the victim, he was the perpetrator.. And I feel for his family.. But for him?? Fuck no! He had NO good intention, no kindly end in his plan.. He was going to make a brutal end of things. The cop just best him to it. Go see this shit for real, you'll see things in a whole new light! I will never feel sorry for a criminal that DESERVES their due end. And this kid was a danger, he needed removed from society. Period.

"it was either him or the cop" Have you paid attention to the details of this at all? He died at a distance from the cop at which he was no legitimate threat. I used to work in a surgical unit at one of the largest hospitals in Columbus, Ohio. I would be very surprised if you have seen more people pass away than I have, in real life. Stabbings, shootings, beatings...a foot run over with a lawnmower by an angry wife lol..not funny to see but amusing in the abstract... I gather that you have had a hard life, you are admittedly jaded in love and criminality, but again, life isn't black and white. How dare you say he deserved to die!? Have you never been given a second chance in life? Never smoked pot, drank and drove, sped 25 or 30 miles over the limit? That makes you a criminal too! Period. Do you DESERVE to die?

JC29856

off the topic a bit.... what happens to all the criminal and thug cases that Wilson was involved in and hasnt shown up to since he ran hiding all these months? do the criminal thugs get off scott free because wilson failed to appear?

whispering hands

And being 18 doesn't make you a man, it only makes you legally responsible ( an adult) for your actions and your own life versus your parents' responsibility. Most make adults aren't really MEN until their late 20's to 30's or so. Though that differs for each individual.

This generation has gotten too PC. Suddenly truth is abolished from all things because it might offend some people, hurt their little feelings.. Wah.. I don't lie to anyone, for anyone.. So.. This is where I stand on this particular issue, and unlike most, I don't care what everyone else thinks or does, because I am only responsible for me. I might cone across as a real folded cunt to people, but if my straight up in your face honesty is offensive then that is what I am, to that person. I'm too
Old to find your offense of me offensive, and I'm too educated to think I can sway an OPINION with my own. We could all live the exact same life, and cone out having experienced it completely differently. Therefore, I look at each issue individually. This is a sad case.. But it's really fucking stupid too. Oh, poor Michael Brown.. I just don't get that???? How is that ass hat the victim?? He assaulted and attacked an innocent store clerk and then attempted to disarm an officer and after that initial behavior, who KNOWS what he would have done?? His family, victims, the store clerk victim, the officer, kind of a victim( I say kind if, because they are trained to deal with this shit rigorously, day in day out), he was the victim of being forced to take a life.. That is much harder on him than it would have been had it been the other way around!

Gern Blansten

This grand jury determination is going to be interesting....that's for sure

whispering hands

Gern Blansten said:

This grand jury determination is going to be interesting....that's for sure

THAT we can take to the bank! They're telling us to be prepared for uprisings here in Colorado! which is ridiculous!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

JC29856 said:

i feel it necessary to mention this fact... brown was killed more than 108 feet away from the SUV. how did he get at least 108 feet away from the SUV (a chevy tahoe for those that are wondering)?
did he walk, bike, run, fly, skateboard, scooter?

What are you arguing?

Firstly, have you ever been in a fight? These types of events are hardly ones that are contained in a 10 foot circle. For perspective, because I feel you have lost it, 100 feet is just a little bit longer than first base.

Secondly, the majority on here acknowledge that Wilson seems to have executed Brown. The debate here should lie centered on whether the shooting was justified or not justified. I come from the position that if I had just been in a life or death struggle and gained the upper hand... I don't know how I'd respond when that moment came.

I know people here say police are trained for such moments... but exactly how do you effectively replicate such training? Of course I think Wilson lost control, but he was pushed into a state of mind that I could not imagine.

So, as to what I think the debate is centered on... Wilson seems guilty. However, I tire of the incessant implications of race directed at people who try to point out Brown's actions as causal factors. And I also tire of people 'glossing over' Brown's criminal behaviours that ultimately led to this fatal event.

Gern Blansten

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/21/us/ferguson-grand-jury-ruling/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

sources say Wilson is getting ready to resign

rgambs

where is the dashcam footage? Why isnt there an in car camera? Why dont cops wear go pros? None of this controversy would exist if we had proper documentation of the event.

norm

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/20/1346374/-BREAKING-VIDEO-Police-Lied-Mike-Brown-was-killed-148-feet-away-from-Darren-Wilson-s-SUV

Jason P

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muskydan

JC29856 said:

off the topic a bit.... what happens to all the criminal and thug cases that Wilson was involved in and hasnt shown up to since he ran hiding all these months? do the criminal thugs get off scott free because wilson failed to appear?

I can answer this one for you…YES Its rule number 10 in the ghetto lottery handbook

Gern Blansten

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

JC29856 said:

i feel it necessary to mention this fact... brown was killed more than 108 feet away from the SUV. how did he get at least 108 feet away from the SUV (a chevy tahoe for those that are wondering)?
did he walk, bike, run, fly, skateboard, scooter?

What are you arguing?

Firstly, have you ever been in a fight? These types of events are hardly ones that are contained in a 10 foot circle. For perspective, because I feel you have lost it, 100 feet is just a little bit longer than first base.

Secondly, the majority on here acknowledge that Wilson seems to have executed Brown. The debate here should lie centered on whether the shooting was justified or not justified. I come from the position that if I had just been in a life or death struggle and gained the upper hand... I don't know how I'd respond when that moment came.

I know people here say police are trained for such moments... but exactly how do you effectively replicate such training? Of course I think Wilson lost control, but he was pushed into a state of mind that I could not imagine.

So, as to what I think the debate is centered on... Wilson seems guilty. However, I tire of the incessant implications of race directed at people who try to point out Brown's actions as causal factors. And I also tire of people 'glossing over' Brown's criminal behaviours that ultimately led to this fatal event.

He was a trained officer...he knew how to respond and decided to murder the kid.

gimmesometruth27

rr165892 said:

dignin said:

What part of alleged do you people not understand? Brown will never get his day in court.

The demonization of the victim seems to have worked.

Fact is fact Digin.The kid was a criminal.This wasn't some little cherub sitting on a park bench minding his own buisness.I also don't believe for minute he chose to become an upstanding citizen in those heated moments before the kill shots.If he even tried to assault the officer,made any move to threaten Wilson's safety or disobeyed a direct order,therefore giving the impression of threat then everything that happens after is justified and in the line of duty.

so are you guys saying someone who commits an unarmed robbery deserves to be murdered in the street?

whispering hands

rgambs said:

where is the dashcam footage? Why isnt there an in car camera? Why dont cops wear go pros? None of this controversy would exist if we had proper documentation of the event.

This I agree with! This should be put into effect. It would definitely end a lot if questioning.

muskydan

whispering hands said:

rgambs said:

whispering hands said:

I have to say, ANY report of a person attempting to use an officer's weapon on them, following that surveillance video of that same person strong arming a store owner like he did, SHOULD involve them getting killed. From what I've heard, the officer warned him to stop, told him he'd shoot him. I feel kinda good knowing that that sort if human being is off the streets. ( and I don't mean a black guy off the streets, I mean a thug).
Some people might say his mother could have raised him better. I don't necessarily think his mother did a bad job. Has anyone here ever BEEN to Ferguson?? It's crazy stupid gang filled! I haven't seen shade like that since walking down Spencer ave in L.A.. It is sorta scary for the common person there. I look at it like.. One less thug robbing and killing and taping people off the streets. And I can say that knowing that this MB kid made a CHOICE. He CHOSE what he was going to do, went did it, got killed, happy ending. That may sound fucked up, but it's true.. Have at it.

so ANY time a cop mistakenly shoots someone, all they have to do is report that they went for their gun and you support it? Sounds a little crazy...happy ending? There is a dead person involved here, i am sure you have never made mistakes or disrespected authority, clearly you havnt or that would make your statement BS hypocrite talk.
It's not so black and white as a "happy ending"...even criminals have family who loves them and mourn when they die UNNECESSARILY!

So you're saying the cop should have let him continue on his rant?? I'm sorry a criminal life is a choice, I'm just saying he got what he deserved. If he wanted to live, he should have made better choices. I may seem jaded to most. But after seeing all the fucked up shit I've seen involving the nature of human beings, I just find it hard to have sympathy for people like this kid who thought nothing could touch him, thought he didn't have to be a legitimate citizen, why would he when crime was working so much better for him?? I feel for his family, it sucks losing lived ones.. But to call his death unnecessary is ridiculous. It was either him or the cop. MB made his choice the cop made his. It's a happy ending in that there's one less brutal thug in the streets. But in that factor alone. This was more than necessary, maybe you need to go do some field work, ride along with the police, an ambulance, turn off the fucking TV and go smell life slip away from REAL people. ( I know you don't have cable gamba, but you get the news, right?) go see that shit for real, go to the Ghettos, to the homeless camps, go.. Go see the shit you see on your television.. Go see the real world, for what it really is.. In the fields of work I have done I've seen more people for brutal and TRULY UNNECESSARY DEATHS, at the hands of thug Jack assessment this MB kid than anyone should ever have to! And you see it in real life versus just over a television screen, it should make you angry, for the victims. MB was NOT the victim, he was the perpetrator.. And I feel for his family.. But for him?? Fuck no! He had NO good intention, no kindly end in his plan.. He was going to make a brutal end of things. The cop just best him to it. Go see this shit for real, you'll see things in a whole new light! I will never feel sorry for a criminal that DESERVES their due end. And this kid was a danger, he needed removed from society. Period.

I am going to buy you a drink sometime Miss Whisper, great post. I used to have to escort reporters and community activists around the hood back in the day. You can almost see the "I can't believe I ever stuck up for these people" in their eyes. The REAL WORLD, it sure is a scary place when you see things with your own eye's and not from a silly BS blog or agenda/ratings driven media.

gimmesometruth27

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

JC29856 said:

i feel it necessary to mention this fact... brown was killed more than 108 feet away from the SUV. how did he get at least 108 feet away from the SUV (a chevy tahoe for those that are wondering)?
did he walk, bike, run, fly, skateboard, scooter?

What are you arguing?

Firstly, have you ever been in a fight? These types of events are hardly ones that are contained in a 10 foot circle. For perspective, because I feel you have lost it, 100 feet is just a little bit longer than first base.

Secondly, the majority on here acknowledge that Wilson seems to have executed Brown. The debate here should lie centered on whether the shooting was justified or not justified. I come from the position that if I had just been in a life or death struggle and gained the upper hand... I don't know how I'd respond when that moment came.

I know people here say police are trained for such moments... but exactly how do you effectively replicate such training? Of course I think Wilson lost control, but he was pushed into a state of mind that I could not imagine.

So, as to what I think the debate is centered on... Wilson seems guilty. However, I tire of the incessant implications of race directed at people who try to point out Brown's actions as causal factors. And I also tire of people 'glossing over' Brown's criminal behaviours that ultimately led to this fatal event.

i am tired of people "glossing over" the pattern of white police officers murdering unarmed black kids in the streets with impunity. i am tired of people glossing over the fact that our police are militarized and they have carte blanche to act as a military unit on their own citizens.

this case is an example of a systemic problem in this country. if there is no indictment, it just proves that there is no justice for minorities in this country. it just shows that another black kid died for no reason while the killer is not only free to keep living, but free to be free and work in the same line of work to potentially do it again.

JC29856

norm said:

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/20/1346374/-BREAKING-VIDEO-Police-Lied-Mike-Brown-was-killed-148-feet-away-from-Darren-Wilson-s-SUV

The AG stated earlier that no matter the GJ decision the findings will be releaesed and along with the testimony. After Wilson isn't indicted he will face perjury charges and the civil lawsuit (at the local thug criminal armpit area taxpayers expense) which should clear up all the assumptions conjecture and speculation.
Why does the police refuse to correct the minor miscalculation of 35 feet to 148 feet?
Expect major changes when the lies and cover-up are exposed.

gimmesometruth27

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

JC29856 said:

RE#
My answer your post is this (my questions aren't at you but questions in general)...I think that is exactly what people want, fairness and equality. I think people want evidence, facts and justice served. Do you think in this particular case, we have gotten it? Do you think facts, evidence and justice has been served and laws followed? The facts and evidence I rely on cannot be called rumor and cannot be spun, twisted by any news source blog or otherwise. Can a reasonable person applying simple logic to what little facts and evidence release make any sense to what the authorities have said and put forth? Are we to believe what the authorities have told us?
its indisputable that Wilson never filed an incident report which he is required to do by LAW? Have you seen the incident report that was released weeks later, after several sunshine law requests? It says nothing. Why wasn't a police report filed when an officer was involved in killing a person? Why not a video statement from Wilson describing exactly what went down to cause him to use lethal force immediately after the incident?
Can the distance between Browns body and Wilson's SUV be disputed twisted or spun? Why would the police report that the distance was 35 feet when its actually around 100 feet?
Ignoring the 6 eyewitnesses accounts, can real time audio and video of 2 construction workers not far from the scene be disputed twisted or spun? Why seconds after Wilson gunned down Brown would 2 construction workers say he stopped turned around and had his hands up while motioning with their hands up?
Its a fact that even before Browns body, which lay dead in the street for 4.5 hours (why did it lay there so long?) was removed, Wilson was consulting with police union reps and an attorney. Why? What did Wilson do wrong to need an attorney so quickly? If by law you are innocent until proven guilty (which didn't apply to Brown) and Wilson followed the laws then why did Wilson run and hide from the law that he is sworn to uphold?
You don't think this stinks to high heavens? What is taking the grand jury so long to decide whether or not to indict? What could they possibly be deliberating over? Is this the longest grand jury decision about a cop in US history? Remember this is an indictment, not a trial, this is the first step in the legal process to see if there was wrongdoing. There's a saying that a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich, is the opposite true?
Why the state of emergency, is it even legal for a governor to declare a state of emergency over a grand jury decision (another first in US history)?
I can go on and on... so I ask where is this due process you mention? where was it for Brown? where is it for Wilson?

Your questions are fair... and Wilson clearly crossed the line. But you really seem to ignore the other side to this issue. Here's some questions you might not necessarily like given your propensity to tout Brown as an angel (or at least never acknowledge the fact that he was the root of this problem):

Why did Brown rob the convenience store? Why did Brown provoke a confrontation with the police? Was the struggle at some point in time a 'life and death' fight for Wilson? Why did Brown only relent after he lost the upper hand in this altercation? Would Brown have exercised restraint if he had succeeded in wrestling the firearm from Wilson? Would Brown's criminal behaviours have stopped if he had not crossed paths with Wilson?

If this was a young man riding home on his bike after shopping at the convenience store, stopped by police, and then shot dead... I'd be as outraged as you. However... this isn't exactly the case.

And are you suggesting, given all we know from the past regarding people's reactions to such decisions, that the state make no preparations at all? Do you actually think that would be wise?

brown did not provoke a confrontation with wilson. wilson drove up to him and told him to "get the fuck out of the street." wilson drove up to him with typical hardass cop posturing and provoked the whole thing.

In your other post, you seemed incredulous at why someone would be going for a cop's gun- stating that would not be the first thing you'd do if confronted by an officer of the law. I ask you... exactly what frame of mind was Brown in when, immediately following robbing a convenience store, he brazenly walked down the middle of the street?

To my way of thinking, if I had just robbed a convenience store... I would not be walking down the middle of the street. I would be slinking through alleyways and trying to get home with my loot. If I was walking down the middle of the street instead of slinking through alleyways freshly after committing a crime... I'm thinking that I'm the man and I'm ready for anything.

You say typical hardass cop posturing provoked the whole thing... I say typical badass criminal fuck everyone attitude provoked the whole thing.

people brazenly walk down the middle of the street here all the time. that is city life here. there are reports that wilson did not know about the robbery. i am saying he did not have to take the tone he took with brown. "get the fuck out of the street" is what started this. this attitude that brown was somehow below him. what it boils down to is brown was jaywalking, and instead of getting a ticket he got executed.