Michael Brown Shooting

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,666
    chadwick said:

    check out sean hannity acting the fool as usual
    http://youtu.be/YG1kQNK2rOc

    He's such a motherfucker - I hate that guy so much.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Thirtybills my quote button isn't working but I would like to point out that those figures don't add anything but confusion to the debate. As pointed out, the police fatality figures are very vague and the wikipedia link you posted says that "The list below is incomplete, as the annual average number of SELF-REPORTED justifiable homicides...is estimated to be near 400.". And "An incomplete survey using internet sources puts the figure at 607(4)." Where the hell did 161 come from?

    That being said, the invalid figures do not refute your point that the overwhelming majority of incidences between police and civilians are on the up and up. That point is clearly irrefutable.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    rgambs said:

    Thirtybills my quote button isn't working but I would like to point out that those figures don't add anything but confusion to the debate. As pointed out, the police fatality figures are very vague and the wikipedia link you posted says that "The list below is incomplete, as the annual average number of SELF-REPORTED justifiable homicides...is estimated to be near 400.". And "An incomplete survey using internet sources puts the figure at 607(4)." Where the hell did 161 come from?

    That being said, the invalid figures do not refute your point that the overwhelming majority of incidences between police and civilians are on the up and up. That point is clearly irrefutable.

    I had a difficult time finding a comprehensive collection of data to refer to. I counted the cases cited for the total of 161. The list is prefaced with what you say, but I wasn't prepared to offer what the contributor said was an 'estimate'- although I'd admit it very well could be.

    I used the data- as flawed as it might be- to frame my point which is the Michael Brown cases that dominate the headlines are very rare statistical oddities given the amount of police work that occurs daily without incident.

    I would be inclined to agree that incidents between police and civilians that do not work out so well for civilians saturate the various forms of media more than ever before. For such a savvy group that frequents this forum, I struggle with the growing propensity to paint a country's entire police force as a rogue and militant force that is out of control based on these outliers that we are presented with periodically.

    I still hold fast to the notion that police are good and criminals are bad. That being said, once again qualifying myself, if it is found that a police officer has acted maliciously... they need to face the consequences of their actions.

    * By the way... I'm well past the 'failed quote feature and unanswered question' exchanges. I noticed a tongue in cheek reference to it- I hope you're past it too and that was good natured.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Oh yes I'm past it as well, I meant it as a simple statement. Perhaps my tongue was resting lightly on my cheek. :-) I really do have technological problems out here in the boonies!

    If they wore cameras, and the FBI kept comprehensive figures we would have a better idea how big of a problem police brutality is, and we would be able to work toward solutions more effectively. I think it's simple... More/better training, more/better regulation, and more/better compensation. It seems to me, if police made as much as doctors we would have less trouble holding them to exacting standards.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    PJ_Soul said:

    chadwick said:

    check out sean hannity acting the fool as usual
    http://youtu.be/YG1kQNK2rOc

    He's such a motherfucker - I hate that guy so much.
    Don't hate him, he is supposed to be on tv doing what he does, men need whores, he's the best money can buy
  • blueandwhite
    blueandwhite Posts: 662
    rgambs said:

    Oh yes I'm past it as well, I meant it as a simple statement. Perhaps my tongue was resting lightly on my cheek. :-) I really do have technological problems out here in the boonies!

    If they wore cameras, and the FBI kept comprehensive figures we would have a better idea how big of a problem police brutality is, and we would be able to work toward solutions more effectively. I think it's simple... More/better training, more/better regulation, and more/better compensation. It seems to me, if police made as much as doctors we would have less trouble holding them to exacting standards.

    If officers wore cameras, I wonder how much of the footage they collect would mysteriously go missing?
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    blueandwhite said:

    rgambs said:

    Oh yes I'm past it as well, I meant it as a simple statement. Perhaps my tongue was resting lightly on my cheek. :-) I really do have technological problems out here in the boonies!

    If they wore cameras, and the FBI kept comprehensive figures we would have a better idea how big of a problem police brutality is, and we would be able to work toward solutions more effectively. I think it's simple... More/better training, more/better regulation, and more/better compensation. It seems to me, if police made as much as doctors we would have less trouble holding them to exacting standards.

    If officers wore cameras, I wonder how much of the footage they collect would mysteriously go missing?
    There would be many Nixonian gaps, no doubt.

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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Missing like Ms Mya Aaten-White forehead bullet!
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    PJ_Soul said:

    chadwick said:

    check out sean hannity acting the fool as usual
    http://youtu.be/YG1kQNK2rOc

    He's such a motherfucker - I hate that guy so much.
    Why do you think his mouth is so big? How you think those hairstains got there? You
    prob thought that was grey? He is just for men!
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Speaking of the best whores money can buy.....
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Wow, just heard on CNN a guy that was skyping and got the audio of the gunshots from the shooting. The FBI are trying to verify the audio now. There were 11 shots fired. 6 rounds, then about a 4-5 second pause, then 5 more rounds.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    edited August 2014
    If this audio is legit, that pause is going to nail that cop. Sorry I don't have a link. I just heard it 7 times on CNN.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    There is something recording everywhere at all times. If this is real, it is real evidence that we have all been waiting for.
    This cop may be in some big trouble.
  • Dirtie_Frank
    Dirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    Just curious does Skype record the audio from the calls? I have Skyped and face timed with my family and just curious. Why would that be recorded? Interesting.
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I don't know if it was Skype. CNN just said the man was recording a video chat. I jumped the gun and said it was Skype. My apologies.
  • Dirtie_Frank
    Dirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    No worries. I just seen it. I was just worried that someone else is recording us now.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Last-12-Exit said:

    If this audio is legit, that pause is going to nail that cop. Sorry I don't have a link. I just heard it 7 times on CNN.

    http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/08/26/ctn-intv-brown-shoot-new-audio.cnn.html
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    http://gawker.com/cnn-plays-alleged-recording-of-michael-brown-shooting-1626787240?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
  • Dirtie_Frank
    Dirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    Ok, why would you record a Skype conversation? Also those shots are fucking loud wouldn't that make someone jump and say WTF? I would have.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Dirtie_Frank said:

    Ok, why would you record a Skype conversation? Also those shots are fucking loud wouldn't that make someone jump and say WTF? I would have.

    Who knows.....people are strange.

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