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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,127
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    muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013
    JC29856 said:

    off the topic a bit.... what happens to all the criminal and thug cases that Wilson was involved in and hasnt shown up to since he ran hiding all these months? do the criminal thugs get off scott free because wilson failed to appear?

    I can answer this one for you…YES Its rule number 10 in the ghetto lottery handbook
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,185

    JC29856 said:

    i feel it necessary to mention this fact... brown was killed more than 108 feet away from the SUV. how did he get at least 108 feet away from the SUV (a chevy tahoe for those that are wondering)?
    did he walk, bike, run, fly, skateboard, scooter?

    What are you arguing?

    Firstly, have you ever been in a fight? These types of events are hardly ones that are contained in a 10 foot circle. For perspective, because I feel you have lost it, 100 feet is just a little bit longer than first base.

    Secondly, the majority on here acknowledge that Wilson seems to have executed Brown. The debate here should lie centered on whether the shooting was justified or not justified. I come from the position that if I had just been in a life or death struggle and gained the upper hand... I don't know how I'd respond when that moment came.

    I know people here say police are trained for such moments... but exactly how do you effectively replicate such training? Of course I think Wilson lost control, but he was pushed into a state of mind that I could not imagine.

    So, as to what I think the debate is centered on... Wilson seems guilty. However, I tire of the incessant implications of race directed at people who try to point out Brown's actions as causal factors. And I also tire of people 'glossing over' Brown's criminal behaviours that ultimately led to this fatal event.
    He was a trained officer...he knew how to respond and decided to murder the kid.


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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,308
    rr165892 said:

    dignin said:

    What part of alleged do you people not understand? Brown will never get his day in court.

    The demonization of the victim seems to have worked.

    Fact is fact Digin.The kid was a criminal.This wasn't some little cherub sitting on a park bench minding his own buisness.I also don't believe for minute he chose to become an upstanding citizen in those heated moments before the kill shots.If he even tried to assault the officer,made any move to threaten Wilson's safety or disobeyed a direct order,therefore giving the impression of threat then everything that happens after is justified and in the line of duty.
    so are you guys saying someone who commits an unarmed robbery deserves to be murdered in the street?
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    whispering handswhispering hands Under your skin Posts: 13,527
    rgambs said:

    where is the dashcam footage? Why isnt there an in car camera? Why dont cops wear go pros? None of this controversy would exist if we had proper documentation of the event.

    This I agree with! This should be put into effect. It would definitely end a lot if questioning.
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    muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013

    rgambs said:

    I have to say, ANY report of a person attempting to use an officer's weapon on them, following that surveillance video of that same person strong arming a store owner like he did, SHOULD involve them getting killed. From what I've heard, the officer warned him to stop, told him he'd shoot him. I feel kinda good knowing that that sort if human being is off the streets. ( and I don't mean a black guy off the streets, I mean a thug).
    Some people might say his mother could have raised him better. I don't necessarily think his mother did a bad job. Has anyone here ever BEEN to Ferguson?? It's crazy stupid gang filled! I haven't seen shade like that since walking down Spencer ave in L.A.. It is sorta scary for the common person there. I look at it like.. One less thug robbing and killing and taping people off the streets. And I can say that knowing that this MB kid made a CHOICE. He CHOSE what he was going to do, went did it, got killed, happy ending. That may sound fucked up, but it's true.. Have at it.

    so ANY time a cop mistakenly shoots someone, all they have to do is report that they went for their gun and you support it? Sounds a little crazy...happy ending? There is a dead person involved here, i am sure you have never made mistakes or disrespected authority, clearly you havnt or that would make your statement BS hypocrite talk.
    It's not so black and white as a "happy ending"...even criminals have family who loves them and mourn when they die UNNECESSARILY!
    So you're saying the cop should have let him continue on his rant?? I'm sorry a criminal life is a choice, I'm just saying he got what he deserved. If he wanted to live, he should have made better choices. I may seem jaded to most. But after seeing all the fucked up shit I've seen involving the nature of human beings, I just find it hard to have sympathy for people like this kid who thought nothing could touch him, thought he didn't have to be a legitimate citizen, why would he when crime was working so much better for him?? I feel for his family, it sucks losing lived ones.. But to call his death unnecessary is ridiculous. It was either him or the cop. MB made his choice the cop made his. It's a happy ending in that there's one less brutal thug in the streets. But in that factor alone. This was more than necessary, maybe you need to go do some field work, ride along with the police, an ambulance, turn off the fucking TV and go smell life slip away from REAL people. ( I know you don't have cable gamba, but you get the news, right?) go see that shit for real, go to the Ghettos, to the homeless camps, go.. Go see the shit you see on your television.. Go see the real world, for what it really is.. In the fields of work I have done I've seen more people for brutal and TRULY UNNECESSARY DEATHS, at the hands of thug Jack assessment this MB kid than anyone should ever have to! And you see it in real life versus just over a television screen, it should make you angry, for the victims. MB was NOT the victim, he was the perpetrator.. And I feel for his family.. But for him?? Fuck no! He had NO good intention, no kindly end in his plan.. He was going to make a brutal end of things. The cop just best him to it. Go see this shit for real, you'll see things in a whole new light! I will never feel sorry for a criminal that DESERVES their due end. And this kid was a danger, he needed removed from society. Period.
    I am going to buy you a drink sometime Miss Whisper, great post. I used to have to escort reporters and community activists around the hood back in the day. You can almost see the "I can't believe I ever stuck up for these people" in their eyes. The REAL WORLD, it sure is a scary place when you see things with your own eye's and not from a silly BS blog or agenda/ratings driven media.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,308

    JC29856 said:

    i feel it necessary to mention this fact... brown was killed more than 108 feet away from the SUV. how did he get at least 108 feet away from the SUV (a chevy tahoe for those that are wondering)?
    did he walk, bike, run, fly, skateboard, scooter?

    What are you arguing?

    Firstly, have you ever been in a fight? These types of events are hardly ones that are contained in a 10 foot circle. For perspective, because I feel you have lost it, 100 feet is just a little bit longer than first base.

    Secondly, the majority on here acknowledge that Wilson seems to have executed Brown. The debate here should lie centered on whether the shooting was justified or not justified. I come from the position that if I had just been in a life or death struggle and gained the upper hand... I don't know how I'd respond when that moment came.

    I know people here say police are trained for such moments... but exactly how do you effectively replicate such training? Of course I think Wilson lost control, but he was pushed into a state of mind that I could not imagine.

    So, as to what I think the debate is centered on... Wilson seems guilty. However, I tire of the incessant implications of race directed at people who try to point out Brown's actions as causal factors. And I also tire of people 'glossing over' Brown's criminal behaviours that ultimately led to this fatal event.
    i am tired of people "glossing over" the pattern of white police officers murdering unarmed black kids in the streets with impunity. i am tired of people glossing over the fact that our police are militarized and they have carte blanche to act as a military unit on their own citizens.

    this case is an example of a systemic problem in this country. if there is no indictment, it just proves that there is no justice for minorities in this country. it just shows that another black kid died for no reason while the killer is not only free to keep living, but free to be free and work in the same line of work to potentially do it again.
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited November 2014
    norm said:
    The AG stated earlier that no matter the GJ decision the findings will be releaesed and along with the testimony. After Wilson isn't indicted he will face perjury charges and the civil lawsuit (at the local thug criminal armpit area taxpayers expense) which should clear up all the assumptions conjecture and speculation.
    Why does the police refuse to correct the minor miscalculation of 35 feet to 148 feet?
    Expect major changes when the lies and cover-up are exposed.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,308

    JC29856 said:

    RE#
    My answer your post is this (my questions aren't at you but questions in general)...I think that is exactly what people want, fairness and equality. I think people want evidence, facts and justice served. Do you think in this particular case, we have gotten it? Do you think facts, evidence and justice has been served and laws followed? The facts and evidence I rely on cannot be called rumor and cannot be spun, twisted by any news source blog or otherwise. Can a reasonable person applying simple logic to what little facts and evidence release make any sense to what the authorities have said and put forth? Are we to believe what the authorities have told us?
    its indisputable that Wilson never filed an incident report which he is required to do by LAW? Have you seen the incident report that was released weeks later, after several sunshine law requests? It says nothing. Why wasn't a police report filed when an officer was involved in killing a person? Why not a video statement from Wilson describing exactly what went down to cause him to use lethal force immediately after the incident?
    Can the distance between Browns body and Wilson's SUV be disputed twisted or spun? Why would the police report that the distance was 35 feet when its actually around 100 feet?
    Ignoring the 6 eyewitnesses accounts, can real time audio and video of 2 construction workers not far from the scene be disputed twisted or spun? Why seconds after Wilson gunned down Brown would 2 construction workers say he stopped turned around and had his hands up while motioning with their hands up?
    Its a fact that even before Browns body, which lay dead in the street for 4.5 hours (why did it lay there so long?) was removed, Wilson was consulting with police union reps and an attorney. Why? What did Wilson do wrong to need an attorney so quickly? If by law you are innocent until proven guilty (which didn't apply to Brown) and Wilson followed the laws then why did Wilson run and hide from the law that he is sworn to uphold?
    You don't think this stinks to high heavens? What is taking the grand jury so long to decide whether or not to indict? What could they possibly be deliberating over? Is this the longest grand jury decision about a cop in US history? Remember this is an indictment, not a trial, this is the first step in the legal process to see if there was wrongdoing. There's a saying that a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich, is the opposite true?
    Why the state of emergency, is it even legal for a governor to declare a state of emergency over a grand jury decision (another first in US history)?
    I can go on and on... so I ask where is this due process you mention? where was it for Brown? where is it for Wilson?

    Your questions are fair... and Wilson clearly crossed the line. But you really seem to ignore the other side to this issue. Here's some questions you might not necessarily like given your propensity to tout Brown as an angel (or at least never acknowledge the fact that he was the root of this problem):

    Why did Brown rob the convenience store? Why did Brown provoke a confrontation with the police? Was the struggle at some point in time a 'life and death' fight for Wilson? Why did Brown only relent after he lost the upper hand in this altercation? Would Brown have exercised restraint if he had succeeded in wrestling the firearm from Wilson? Would Brown's criminal behaviours have stopped if he had not crossed paths with Wilson?

    If this was a young man riding home on his bike after shopping at the convenience store, stopped by police, and then shot dead... I'd be as outraged as you. However... this isn't exactly the case.

    And are you suggesting, given all we know from the past regarding people's reactions to such decisions, that the state make no preparations at all? Do you actually think that would be wise?
    brown did not provoke a confrontation with wilson. wilson drove up to him and told him to "get the fuck out of the street." wilson drove up to him with typical hardass cop posturing and provoked the whole thing.
    In your other post, you seemed incredulous at why someone would be going for a cop's gun- stating that would not be the first thing you'd do if confronted by an officer of the law. I ask you... exactly what frame of mind was Brown in when, immediately following robbing a convenience store, he brazenly walked down the middle of the street?

    To my way of thinking, if I had just robbed a convenience store... I would not be walking down the middle of the street. I would be slinking through alleyways and trying to get home with my loot. If I was walking down the middle of the street instead of slinking through alleyways freshly after committing a crime... I'm thinking that I'm the man and I'm ready for anything.

    You say typical hardass cop posturing provoked the whole thing... I say typical badass criminal fuck everyone attitude provoked the whole thing.
    people brazenly walk down the middle of the street here all the time. that is city life here. there are reports that wilson did not know about the robbery. i am saying he did not have to take the tone he took with brown. "get the fuck out of the street" is what started this. this attitude that brown was somehow below him. what it boils down to is brown was jaywalking, and instead of getting a ticket he got executed.
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    whispering handswhispering hands Under your skin Posts: 13,527

    rr165892 said:

    dignin said:

    What part of alleged do you people not understand? Brown will never get his day in court.

    The demonization of the victim seems to have worked.

    Fact is fact Digin.The kid was a criminal.This wasn't some little cherub sitting on a park bench minding his own buisness.I also don't believe for minute he chose to become an upstanding citizen in those heated moments before the kill shots.If he even tried to assault the officer,made any move to threaten Wilson's safety or disobeyed a direct order,therefore giving the impression of threat then everything that happens after is justified and in the line of duty.
    so are you guys saying someone who commits an unarmed robbery deserves to be murdered in the street?
    That was a precursor.. Plain and simple.. Did you know that what he did to that store clerk (putting his hands around the guy's neck and continuing to try to do so,), is a precursor to murder in any investigation? Even if you don't actually suffocate the person. It is an act of murderous intent. No not every in armed suspect should be shot, but this kid continually and with brutal action resisted Wilson's attempt to apprehend him into custody. That by itself, can be construed as harmful intent, but when he tried to get his weapon, THAT was the nail that sealed his coffin. Why was he 100 some odd feet away? Some say he ran, others say he brazenly walked away. None the less Wilson at this time, from what I understand, though things keep changing in this story, told him two or three times that he would shoot if he didn't go to his knees, or at the very least stop. He was within his rights. Period. An officer may shoot and or kill a suspect that has shown murderous intent that is evading arrest. That is what he did. It's under a harm to others clause.
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    Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661

    rr165892 said:

    dignin said:

    What part of alleged do you people not understand? Brown will never get his day in court.

    The demonization of the victim seems to have worked.

    Fact is fact Digin.The kid was a criminal.This wasn't some little cherub sitting on a park bench minding his own buisness.I also don't believe for minute he chose to become an upstanding citizen in those heated moments before the kill shots.If he even tried to assault the officer,made any move to threaten Wilson's safety or disobeyed a direct order,therefore giving the impression of threat then everything that happens after is justified and in the line of duty.
    so are you guys saying someone who commits an unarmed robbery deserves to be murdered in the street?
    No, but the cop being threatened deserved to defend himself.
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    whispering handswhispering hands Under your skin Posts: 13,527
    muskydan said:

    JC29856 said:

    off the topic a bit.... what happens to all the criminal and thug cases that Wilson was involved in and hasnt shown up to since he ran hiding all these months? do the criminal thugs get off scott free because wilson failed to appear?

    I can answer this one for you…YES Its rule number 10 in the ghetto lottery handbook
    Lmfao!! The Ghetto lottery handbook!! Thanks for that laugh!
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    it clearly isnt about race and it clearly isnt about thugs saying enough is enough....clearly

    http://ago.mo.gov/VehicleStops/2013/reports/161.pdf

    clearly
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    Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    :)) =)) =)) sorry guy's but this is just crazy ...we can make this all easer if we all just post "defence" or "prosicution" (somebody correct my spelling please) because that's what it will boil down to on here,we have different statements from both sides so this will be another one of those "wait for the verdict" trials then the media will follow the winner like blood hounds at a butcher shop and dig up all the dirt on the police and the dead boy or his family that they can....just to piss you guys off :))


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    whispering handswhispering hands Under your skin Posts: 13,527
    Again too PC.. How dare that white ifficer defend himself cause the guy threatening his life happens to be black!!! 80% of Ferguson IS BLACK!!! 10% is Latin, and the Caucasian percentage?? Why is it people can't wrap their heads around that. Does the race oercentage have a factor in the gang population fuck no! That's a choice, there can be just as many white gangs as black or any other race! That is ignorance. What pisses me off is peoe are saying this kid was MURDERED. What if he'd gotten ahold of the weapon and HE KILLED WILSON, as he ran?? Would that be murder? Or would the ignorance abound and all the little PC pussies say it was self defense? My money is on that scenario being labeled as SD. Why? Cause the guy was black .

    Let's ignore race for a second.. Say it was two people of the exact same ethnic origin. Now what's your verdict? The sad thing is, is it's the in thing to decide thighs based on a PC principle, which is bullshit. Just like the "facts" in this case keep changing.. I think the officers that lie, should be prosecuted. I think the offending officer should be removed from the line of duty, because further service would remain controversial. But I do not think he was in the wrong. I've spent a weekend in Ferguson, rough town, cops ARE assholes there. But to watch their nightly news, made me appreciate Joplin's stupid meth stories on the news a bit more. ( even though it was just as bad
    From a different end of the spectrum). Quit being so politically correct, cause reality is buried in that context.
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,306
    Please whispering, stick to the facts. We don't know if Brown went for Wilsons gun. That's Wilsons story, why do you take it as gospel?
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,306
    I don't know what actually happened.....but my common sense tells me that it is doubtful that Brown was dumb enough to just randomly go for a cops gun. I can't see a motive for it. But I can see a motive for Wilson saying that he did.

    But again that is speculation on my part, nothing more, nothing less......and I'm not going to pretend I know it as fact.
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,185
    dignin said:

    I don't know what actually happened.....but my common sense tells me that it is doubtful that Brown was dumb enough to just randomly go for a cops gun. I can't see a motive for it. But I can see a motive for Wilson saying that he did.

    But again that is speculation on my part, nothing more, nothing less......and I'm not going to pretend I know it as fact.

    That's kind of my belief as well....how likely is it that this kid (no matter how big he is) is going to go after an officer's gun? Very unlikely.

    That coupled with the EYEWITNESS REPORTS paint a pretty clear picture to me.

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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    Again too PC.. How dare that white ifficer defend himself cause the guy threatening his life happens to be black!!! 80% of Ferguson IS BLACK!!! 10% is Latin, and the Caucasian percentage?? Why is it people can't wrap their heads around that. Does the race oercentage have a factor in the gang population fuck no! That's a choice, there can be just as many white gangs as black or any other race! That is ignorance. What pisses me off is peoe are saying this kid was MURDERED. What if he'd gotten ahold of the weapon and HE KILLED WILSON, as he ran?? Would that be murder? Or would the ignorance abound and all the little PC pussies say it was self defense? My money is on that scenario being labeled as SD. Why? Cause the guy was black .

    Let's ignore race for a second.. Say it was two people of the exact same ethnic origin. Now what's your verdict? The sad thing is, is it's the in thing to decide thighs based on a PC principle, which is bullshit. Just like the "facts" in this case keep changing.. I think the officers that lie, should be prosecuted. I think the offending officer should be removed from the line of duty, because further service would remain controversial. But I do not think he was in the wrong. I've spent a weekend in Ferguson, rough town, cops ARE assholes there. But to watch their nightly news, made me appreciate Joplin's stupid meth stories on the news a bit more. ( even though it was just as bad
    From a different end of the spectrum). Quit being so politically correct, cause reality is buried in that context.

    Speaking of ignorance at least get your statistics straight...i posted the profiling data Ferguson 63% black 33% white 1% latin.
    Now you were saying?
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,185

    Again too PC.. How dare that white ifficer defend himself cause the guy threatening his life happens to be black!!! 80% of Ferguson IS BLACK!!! 10% is Latin, and the Caucasian percentage?? Why is it people can't wrap their heads around that. Does the race oercentage have a factor in the gang population fuck no! That's a choice, there can be just as many white gangs as black or any other race! That is ignorance. What pisses me off is peoe are saying this kid was MURDERED. What if he'd gotten ahold of the weapon and HE KILLED WILSON, as he ran?? Would that be murder? Or would the ignorance abound and all the little PC pussies say it was self defense? My money is on that scenario being labeled as SD. Why? Cause the guy was black .

    Let's ignore race for a second.. Say it was two people of the exact same ethnic origin. Now what's your verdict? The sad thing is, is it's the in thing to decide thighs based on a PC principle, which is bullshit. Just like the "facts" in this case keep changing.. I think the officers that lie, should be prosecuted. I think the offending officer should be removed from the line of duty, because further service would remain controversial. But I do not think he was in the wrong. I've spent a weekend in Ferguson, rough town, cops ARE assholes there. But to watch their nightly news, made me appreciate Joplin's stupid meth stories on the news a bit more. ( even though it was just as bad
    From a different end of the spectrum). Quit being so politically correct, cause reality is buried in that context.

    What % of the Ferguson police force is black?
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    whispering please be civil, i would hate to see this thread get locked!
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    whispering please be civil, i would hate to see this thread get locked!
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,185
    Yes...Moderators it would be nice to delete offending posts (pretty please :))rather than lock the thread if you don't mind. I think enough of us are keeping our emotions in check.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

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    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    dignin said:

    Please whispering, stick to the facts. We don't know if Brown went for Wilsons gun. That's Wilsons story, why do you take it as gospel?

    Actually the going for the gun isn't from Wilson. The going for the gun is from leaks and/or from Josie"
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    Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I have yet to read an offending post on this page.
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    normnorm I'm always home. I'm uncool. Posts: 31,146

    I have yet to read an offending post on this page.

    and you're the expert on those ;):))
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    muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013
    perhaps we should all turn on some PJ Radio and just Chillax a bit…
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Let's not forget these leaks...
    Wilson was nearly beaten to death
    Wilson suffered a broken orbital bone eye socket

    He heals pretty quickly as evidenced from the video with him, the union rep and attorney just 2.5 hours after the incident
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    JC29856 said:

    RE#
    My answer your post is this (my questions aren't at you but questions in general)...I think that is exactly what people want, fairness and equality. I think people want evidence, facts and justice served. Do you think in this particular case, we have gotten it? Do you think facts, evidence and justice has been served and laws followed? The facts and evidence I rely on cannot be called rumor and cannot be spun, twisted by any news source blog or otherwise. Can a reasonable person applying simple logic to what little facts and evidence release make any sense to what the authorities have said and put forth? Are we to believe what the authorities have told us?
    its indisputable that Wilson never filed an incident report which he is required to do by LAW? Have you seen the incident report that was released weeks later, after several sunshine law requests? It says nothing. Why wasn't a police report filed when an officer was involved in killing a person? Why not a video statement from Wilson describing exactly what went down to cause him to use lethal force immediately after the incident?
    Can the distance between Browns body and Wilson's SUV be disputed twisted or spun? Why would the police report that the distance was 35 feet when its actually around 100 feet?
    Ignoring the 6 eyewitnesses accounts, can real time audio and video of 2 construction workers not far from the scene be disputed twisted or spun? Why seconds after Wilson gunned down Brown would 2 construction workers say he stopped turned around and had his hands up while motioning with their hands up?
    Its a fact that even before Browns body, which lay dead in the street for 4.5 hours (why did it lay there so long?) was removed, Wilson was consulting with police union reps and an attorney. Why? What did Wilson do wrong to need an attorney so quickly? If by law you are innocent until proven guilty (which didn't apply to Brown) and Wilson followed the laws then why did Wilson run and hide from the law that he is sworn to uphold?
    You don't think this stinks to high heavens? What is taking the grand jury so long to decide whether or not to indict? What could they possibly be deliberating over? Is this the longest grand jury decision about a cop in US history? Remember this is an indictment, not a trial, this is the first step in the legal process to see if there was wrongdoing. There's a saying that a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich, is the opposite true?
    Why the state of emergency, is it even legal for a governor to declare a state of emergency over a grand jury decision (another first in US history)?
    I can go on and on... so I ask where is this due process you mention? where was it for Brown? where is it for Wilson?

    Your questions are fair... and Wilson clearly crossed the line. But you really seem to ignore the other side to this issue. Here's some questions you might not necessarily like given your propensity to tout Brown as an angel (or at least never acknowledge the fact that he was the root of this problem):

    Why did Brown rob the convenience store? Why did Brown provoke a confrontation with the police? Was the struggle at some point in time a 'life and death' fight for Wilson? Why did Brown only relent after he lost the upper hand in this altercation? Would Brown have exercised restraint if he had succeeded in wrestling the firearm from Wilson? Would Brown's criminal behaviours have stopped if he had not crossed paths with Wilson?

    If this was a young man riding home on his bike after shopping at the convenience store, stopped by police, and then shot dead... I'd be as outraged as you. However... this isn't exactly the case.

    And are you suggesting, given all we know from the past regarding people's reactions to such decisions, that the state make no preparations at all? Do you actually think that would be wise?
    brown did not provoke a confrontation with wilson. wilson drove up to him and told him to "get the fuck out of the street." wilson drove up to him with typical hardass cop posturing and provoked the whole thing.
    In your other post, you seemed incredulous at why someone would be going for a cop's gun- stating that would not be the first thing you'd do if confronted by an officer of the law. I ask you... exactly what frame of mind was Brown in when, immediately following robbing a convenience store, he brazenly walked down the middle of the street?

    To my way of thinking, if I had just robbed a convenience store... I would not be walking down the middle of the street. I would be slinking through alleyways and trying to get home with my loot. If I was walking down the middle of the street instead of slinking through alleyways freshly after committing a crime... I'm thinking that I'm the man and I'm ready for anything.

    You say typical hardass cop posturing provoked the whole thing... I say typical badass criminal fuck everyone attitude provoked the whole thing.
    people brazenly walk down the middle of the street here all the time. that is city life here. there are reports that wilson did not know about the robbery. i am saying he did not have to take the tone he took with brown. "get the fuck out of the street" is what started this. this attitude that brown was somehow below him. what it boils down to is brown was jaywalking, and instead of getting a ticket he got executed.
    Say nothing of the fact he tried to wrestle a cop's gun away. This was a small detail you managed to leave out.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
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