Michael Brown Shooting

JC29856 · August 2014

Good stuff here...police dept breaking laws

http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/08/25/st-louis-county-ferguson-police-violating-law-prevent-release-vital-public-information/

JC29856 · August 2014

pjhawks said:
if only we discussed good people dying as much as thieves dying maybe we'd be better off.

Wonder why still images of "the robbery" and "man handling" which was never reported to police were released instead of the entire video showing brown at the counter?

Gern Blansten · August 2014

Rev Sharpton is tearing it up in his eulogy.....powerful

Gern Blansten · August 2014

callen said:

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Gern Blansten said:

callen said:
Cop struggles with guy and dies.

If you violently confront a cop as likely brown and idiot with knife did you should expect to die.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/23/us/texas-police-chief-killed/index.html?c=homepage-t

Tired of the bleeding heart bullshit.
violently? Where is the evidence of that?

Said "if".

ok but assaulting a police officer is not punishable by death....all of the evidence at this point reflects murder in Brown's case

Cliffy6745 · August 2014

A couple good articles from the NY Times this weekend.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/us/despite-similar-shootings-steps-by-los-angeles-police-temper-reaction.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/us/ferguson-mo-key-factor-in-police-shootings-reasonable-fear.html

dignin · August 2014

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140822/07034228290/federal-law-ordering-us-attorney-general-to-gather-data-police-excessive-force-has-been-ignored-20-years.shtml

Federal Law Ordering US Attorney General To Gather Data On Police Excessive Force Has Been Ignored For 20 Years

"Are police officers getting worse or is this apparent increase in excessive force nothing more than a reflection of the increase in unofficial documentation (read: cameras) and public scrutiny? What we do know is that as crime has gone down, police forces have escalated their acquisitions of military gear and weapons. With options for lethal and less-lethal force continually expanding, it seems that deployment of force in excess of what the situation requires has become the new normal, but it's tough to find hard data that backs up these impressions.

One of the reasons we don't have data on police use of excessive force is because compiling this information relies on law enforcement agencies being forthcoming about these incidents. Generally speaking, it takes FOIA requests and lawsuits to obtain any data gathered by individual police departments. This shouldn't be the case. In fact, as AllGov reports, this lack of data violates a federal law."

Last-12-Exit · August 2014

Gern Blansten said:

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callen said:

Gern Blansten said:

callen said:
Cop struggles with guy and dies.

If you violently confront a cop as likely brown and idiot with knife did you should expect to die.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/23/us/texas-police-chief-killed/index.html?c=homepage-t

Tired of the bleeding heart bullshit.
violently? Where is the evidence of that?

Said "if".
ok but assaulting a police officer is not punishable by death....all of the evidence at this point reflects murder in Brown's case

Assaulting a police officer is not punishable by death if that is why you arrsted, tried, and convicted. But, actively assaulting a police officer greatly increases your odds of being shot and killed by police officer. Especially if you are a 6'+, 220+lb man that is making that police officer fear for his life.

All of that is speculation. Because we have no reliable facts that have been released so far. So what evidence are you referring to that point to murder?

Gern Blansten · August 2014

Last-12-Exit said:

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Gern Blansten said:

callen said:

Gern Blansten said:

callen said:
Cop struggles with guy and dies.

If you violently confront a cop as likely brown and idiot with knife did you should expect to die.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/23/us/texas-police-chief-killed/index.html?c=homepage-t

Tired of the bleeding heart bullshit.
violently? Where is the evidence of that?

Said "if".
ok but assaulting a police officer is not punishable by death....all of the evidence at this point reflects murder in Brown's case
Assaulting a police officer is not punishable by death if that is why you arrsted, tried, and convicted. But, actively assaulting a police officer greatly increases your odds of being shot and killed by police officer. Especially if you are a 6'+, 220+lb man that is making that police officer fear for his life.

All of that is speculation. Because we have no reliable facts that have been released so far. So what evidence are you referring to that point to murder?

The police have basically said nothing...the eyewitnesses are the only accounts that have been released. While there is at least one that says Brown turned and started moving toward the officer it is pretty clear that he had already been shot at that point. Johnson (Brown's friend who was with him) said that Brown turned and put his hands up after yelling at Johnson to "RUN".

Check Officer Wilson's prior department out....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/darren-wilsons-first-job-was-on-a-troubled-police-force-disbanded-by-authorities/2014/08/23/1ac796f0-2a45-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

rr165892 · August 2014

JimmyV said:

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callen said:
Cop struggles with guy and dies.

If you violently confront a cop as likely brown and idiot with knife did you should expect to die.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/23/us/texas-police-chief-killed/index.html?c=homepage-t

Tired of the bleeding heart bullshit.
Knife guy for sure. If he doesn't instigate that confrontation then he is still alive today.

Amen and amen

Gern Blansten · August 2014

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/11/5988925/mike-brown-killing-shooting-case-ferguson-police-riots-st-louis#shooting

Brown was killed 35 feet from Wilson's car....is it likely that he was running away? Or is it more likely he was charging a police officer who was shooting a gun at him?

What happened before Brown was shot

— Multiple eyewitness accounts say that Brown was killed while attempting to surrender.

— Brown's friend Dorian Johnson, who was with Brown at the time, says that the two of them were walking in the middle of the street when a police car approached, and the officer told them to get on the sidewalk.

— Eyewitness Piaget Crenshaw says that Johnson, Brown and the officer got into a verbal confrontation, and the officer attempted to put Brown in the police car. When Brown began to flee, with his hands in the air, she says, the officer got out of the car and started shooting at Brown. (Crenshaw has photos of the shooting, which have been turned over to the police.)

— Another eyewitness told the press that the officer was in his car when he started shooting at the boys. (At least one shot was fired from the police car.)

— Johnson says that he and Brown started running when they heard the first shot. He told local news station KMOV that Wilson "shot again, and once my friend felt that shot, he turned around and put his hands in the air. He started to get down and the officer still approached with his weapon drawn and fired several more shots."

— Meanwhile, St. Louis County police, who have been called in to investigate Brown's death, say that Brown assaulted Wilson before he was killed. St. Louis County police chief Jon Belmar told reporters on August 10 that Brown shoved the officer back into the police car, "physically assaulted" him, and attempted to grab the officer's gun. According to Belmar, the officer only began firing at Brown after the assault.

— According to Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson during a briefing on August 12, the officer who shot Johnson was injured during the encounter. One side of Wilson's face was swollen, Jackson said.

Last-12-Exit · August 2014

I'll wait until the facts come out. I'm not sure that would be enough alone to warrant murder charges (I'm not a lawyer).

Gern Blansten · August 2014

I'm not either but I play one in my mind sometimes.

Dead body 5 feet from the car and I'm less likely to reach a conclusion. Dead body 35 feet from the car with several eyewitnesses and I'm pretty confident.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · August 2014

dignin said:

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Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Chadwick offered the following in the Dumb Cop thread:

Steve McCraw, head of the Texas Department of Public Safety, said Pimentel is the fifth law enforcement officer to die in Texas this year. Three of the five were killed by gunfire. Thirteen officers died in the line of duty last year.

Looking at the scales for 2011: criminals killed 169 cops... cops killed 161 criminals. Obviously, there are some individual cases where the criminal/person killed by the police shocks the senses; however, the bottom line is that in 2011... more cops died in the fight for law and order than murderers, rapists, arsonists, and the like.
Simply not true according to the link you provided. You are trying to bend the results in favour of your argument

For 2013

"The primary cause for officer fatalities this year was traffic-related incidents, which claimed 46 lives.

Firearms-related incidents accounted for 33 deaths, a drop of one-third over 2012 and the lowest since 1887 when 27 officers were shot to death, the NLEOMF reports.

Thirty-two officers died of other causes in 2013, including 14 who suffered heart attacks while on duty."

Saying that criminals killed all of them is untrue.

A few things:

1. My crude speculation is certainly open to criticism and the numbers are subject to scrutiny. There is no actual comparison made that I could find for what I am trying to point out.

2. Does a traffic fatality chasing a criminal count as a death in the line of duty? If they are chasing a criminal to serve and protect... is this death ultimately the same thing as being shot?

3. With the data adjusted as per your critical eye... I think the point still stands.
I would need to see a better breakdown of the numbers to make any kind of conclusion.

For all I know 15 of the 33 police deaths by firearms could be by their own hand.

After reading through the cases of police killings, what jumps out at me is that the majority of them are completely warranted given the perpetrator is either directly involved in the act of harming another person (such as Carulus Hines who was stabbing her four year old daughter to death)... or remaining a threat by refusing to comply with officer requests and initiating further action (such as aiming their gun at police which was a common trigger for heightened police response).

Given the justification of most documented 'killings' that comprise a portion of the 161 I alluded to in my first post... the number of 'questionable' killings is significantly lower. I wished to point this out because when people see 161... I think sometimes they think of 161 Michael Brown cases which is simply not the reality.

Again... I'd ask if you could refute the following (edited to reflect my recent assertion):

Every time there is an investigation or an arrest, there is an opportunity for a cop to kill someone. Think of how many arrests and investigations are performed every year. Now compare that number- which has to be unbelievably high- and compare it to the number of 'questionable killings' on the part of officers. Not too shabby in my mind.

These incidents, as shocking as they might be, are statistical oddities. What must be acknowledged is that overwhelmingly, difficult police work gets done on a daily basis with no fanfare, acknowledgement, or even basic levels of respect from many who benefit from police services.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · August 2014

Again... whatever one might interpret from my position... I feel that if it is found that an officer acted with excessive force, then they should be held accountable.

I just wish to point out that using outliers to make unrealistic generalizations of a country's entire police force and their mentality is irresponsible.

chadwick · August 2014

Gern Blansten said:
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/11/5988925/mike-brown-killing-shooting-case-ferguson-police-riots-st-louis#shooting

Brown was killed 35 feet from Wilson's car....is it likely that he was running away? Or is it more likely he was charging a police officer who was shooting a gun at him?

What happened before Brown was shot

— Multiple eyewitness accounts say that Brown was killed while attempting to surrender.

— Brown's friend Dorian Johnson, who was with Brown at the time, says that the two of them were walking in the middle of the street when a police car approached, and the officer told them to get on the sidewalk.

— Eyewitness Piaget Crenshaw says that Johnson, Brown and the officer got into a verbal confrontation, and the officer attempted to put Brown in the police car. When Brown began to flee, with his hands in the air, she says, the officer got out of the car and started shooting at Brown. (Crenshaw has photos of the shooting, which have been turned over to the police.)

— Another eyewitness told the press that the officer was in his car when he started shooting at the boys. (At least one shot was fired from the police car.)

— Johnson says that he and Brown started running when they heard the first shot. He told local news station KMOV that Wilson "shot again, and once my friend felt that shot, he turned around and put his hands in the air. He started to get down and the officer still approached with his weapon drawn and fired several more shots."

— Meanwhile, St. Louis County police, who have been called in to investigate Brown's death, say that Brown assaulted Wilson before he was killed. St. Louis County police chief Jon Belmar told reporters on August 10 that Brown shoved the officer back into the police car, "physically assaulted" him, and attempted to grab the officer's gun. According to Belmar, the officer only began firing at Brown after the assault.

— According to Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson during a briefing on August 12, the officer who shot Johnson was injured during the encounter. One side of Wilson's face was swollen, Jackson said.

johnson? did i find a typo

Gern Blansten · August 2014

yes Sir! I didn't even notice

Fox put out a bogus lead about an orbital eye socket fracture on Wilson that was fake

chadwick · August 2014

Gern Blansten said:
yes Sir! I didn't even notice

Fox put out a bogus lead about an orbital eye socket fracture on Wilson that was fake

well i reread it like 8 times to make sure i wasn't misreading it, which i can do. that fucking editor owns me $100.00

watch bill oreily do a quick report on the cop's fractured orbital eye socket.... unreal that fucking clown. i'll try find the link

chadwick · August 2014

check out sean hannity acting the fool as usual

http://youtu.be/YG1kQNK2rOc

Last-12-Exit · August 2014

"Hey Sean, why don't you shut the fuck up?"

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chadwick · August 2014

Last-12-Exit said:
"Hey Sean, why don't you shut the fuck up?"

) ) )

classic for sure. i would love to tell sean hannity, "hey sean, why don't you shut the fuck up?!"
this should be a t-shirt to be honest

Michael Brown Shooting

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