Michael Brown Shooting

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  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    Last-12-Exit said:

    He wasn't shot for the robbery, he was shot for threatening the cops

    And after the pause...what were the last 3 shots for? Bleeding on the sidewalk?
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    myoung321 said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    He wasn't shot for the robbery, he was shot for threatening the cops

    And after the pause...what were the last 3 shots for? Bleeding on the sidewalk?
    I don't know. I wasn't there. Maybe the cops thought he was reaching for a weapon. I watched the video only twice and I don't remember there being a pause. It's a disturbing video and I don't plan on watching it again.

    And bootlegger10, I don't know if you are asking me about a cop shooting a gun but I would answer your question with yes. If a cop has to discharge his weapon, I would think that he (cop(s) are not in control of the situation. Why else would they have to shoot?
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    edited August 2014
    bootlegger10 said:

    Idris said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    No such thing as overkill. They are trained to shoot until the situation is back under their control.

    Sorry, but the second they fired that gun, they 'lost' control of the situation.

    We differ in mindset, that's fine.

    I have no more to say on this.
    So any time a copy fires a gun they have lost control of the situation? The whole point of having a gun is to have the ability to take control of the situation. Your statement doesn't make sense.
    Really, that's what you got out of what I posted? I was speaking about that specific situation. That specific encounter.
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Last-12-Exit said:

    He wasn't shot for the robbery, he was shot for threatening the cops

    Exactly,I was going to post the same.Also if he just put down the knife and LISTENED to warnings he would be very much alive.Hes dead because of his own foolishness.This is not on the cop for fuck sakes
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    edited August 2014
    Idris said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    No such thing as overkill. They are trained to shoot until the situation is back under their control.

    Sorry, but the second they fired that gun, they 'lost' control of the situation.

    We differ in mindset, that's fine.

    I have no more to say on this.
    It's all about stopping the threat.Not wounding.Police are trained to put the threat down.Multiple shots= massive internal organ bleed out= stopping threat.Police basics here.This is not the movies.
    I think there's a bit of hypocrisy in some of the posts on here.Story would change Im sure if you or your family was threatened and you needed these same cops to help you.

    Crazy dude is approaching your 7 year old daughter,has a knife in hand,won't listen to repeated demands to disarm and hault.You want the cop to stop this crazy fuck or now is negotiating and taser the best way?if you said "taser"your fucking lying.You would want your family member safe no matter what.Please save my child!!!!!
    Why does that law enforcement officers life not have the same value as the child?The perp already devalued his position by offering up a threat with a knife,and advancing.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    but remember no one on the cops' side here is a real pearl jam. whacky

    so to be a real pearl jam fan one must be on the side of allowing riots, attacks on the cops by violent shits & so on. or try & be a comedian when you're not even close to being funny at all & over 90% of your jokes are goofy as shit? then only real pearl jam fans. i mean really...

    goofy ass bullshit comedy & supporting the attacking of cops or coming at cops with belligerence & a weapon & supporting those acting the fool in st. louis = real pearl jam fans

    makes sense



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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    I've only watched the video on my phone and can't tell for sure whether he has a knife or not. Either way, it is not inconceivable that the police believed he had a knife. Either through mistaking what they saw or as a result of the robbery report, they could have believed a knife was present and part of the threat.

    That is not to say their response was not overkill. Nor does it explain handcuffing a dead body.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Idris said:

    Respect is earned, for all we know, this guy has been abused by law enforcement before, he may have a history.

    But what seems clear is that he was out of his mind, mentally unstable, drugged up. We dont quite know yet,

    Our police forces have a history of abuse, we know the stories, we know it happens.

    I'll say it again, I really don't think it was necessary for the officer to fire his gun at that point in time.

    So the officer that goes after robbers,killers, drunk drivers, risking his life everyday for your safety should take one for the team, placing his life in danger, so you feel better about a guy getting shot. Think be great for you to volunteer to ride with a police officer for few nights or BETTER YET you become a police officer and coddle criminals and violently insane humans.

    Don't want to sound mean. Just put yourself in their shoes. Life sucks sometimes and sooooo glad some humans want to be police officers cause I sure as hell don't want to be one. Also know there are bad cops, been on receiving end three times and bad cops should be fired. But think it's too fucking easy to criticize sitting in safety of your home.

    Am I turning into a conservative douche loosing my happy love everybody vibe. Oh shit.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    I have a problem with the respect is earned mentality as well.

    Once a person puts on a police uniform, respect is automatic- they do not have to 'earn it' before people take them seriously. With that said, we might lose respect for an officer if they do something that betrays the trust and confidence we have afforded them, but we don't disrespect an entire police nation for the actions of a few.

    I'm afraid many have lost perspective here.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    JimmyV said:

    I've only watched the video on my phone and can't tell for sure whether he has a knife or not. Either way, it is not inconceivable that the police believed he had a knife. Either through mistaking what they saw or as a result of the robbery report, they could have believed a knife was present and part of the threat.

    That is not to say their response was not overkill. Nor does it explain handcuffing a dead body.

    He had a knife clearly Visable on full screen. Cuffing is standard procedure and they do it just in case guys not dead and again goes after them. Seems brutal but it's for safety.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    edited August 2014
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    I have a problem with the respect is earned mentality as well.

    Once a person puts on a police uniform, respect is automatic- they do not have to 'earn it' before people take them seriously. With that said, we might lose respect for an officer if they do something that betrays the trust and confidence we have afforded them, but we don't disrespect an entire police nation for the actions of a few.

    I'm afraid many have lost perspective here.

    I think that's fair. And I understand your sentiment.

    I personally respect the law. I can't say I respect the uniform but I do respect their power and weapon.

    But I know I will tell my child, based on my experiences with police, not to "trust" them. I was raised to trust and respect the police. But later learned not to. Watch your back. Police are still humans, they make mistakes, whether intentional or not. And their mistakes can cost you your freedom or your life.

    Not saying all cops are bad....but how do you know when you encounter one if they are or not? Better to err on the safe side.

    I know that is very cynical but based on my experiences that's how I feel, and I'm white and live in a relatively peaceful wealthy place. I can only imagine what it's like being black and having to deal with a mostly white police department in Ferguson. What are they telling their children when it comes to dealing with the police?
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  • unsung
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    Big government lovers are sure getting their wish.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    unsung said:

    Big government lovers are sure getting their wish.

    Expound.
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Last-12-Exit said:

    No such thing as overkill. They are trained to shoot until the situation is back under their control.

    After the first couple of shots the man is incapacitated. Anything after he is incapacitated certainly is overkill. In this case, 13 shots is clearly excessive.
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  • unsung
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    callen said:

    unsung said:

    Big government lovers are sure getting their wish.

    Expound.

    Well I'm sitting in Boston Logan so I'm on my phone but basically big government means more control of the daily life of a person. Respect their authority.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    JonnyPistachio said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    No such thing as overkill. They are trained to shoot until the situation is back under their control.

    After the first couple of shots the man is incapacitated. Anything after he is incapacitated certainly is overkill. In this case, 13 shots is clearly excessive.
    I wonder how any one of us on the train would have reacted in that officers situation ? and remember these police officers have to deal with thugs everyday and have to constantly be on guard, it's ez to say "I would have done it differently" ...what's that indian thing about walking a mile in someone elses shoes ?


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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
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    callen said:

    Idris said:

    Respect is earned, for all we know, this guy has been abused by law enforcement before, he may have a history.

    But what seems clear is that he was out of his mind, mentally unstable, drugged up. We dont quite know yet,

    Our police forces have a history of abuse, we know the stories, we know it happens.

    I'll say it again, I really don't think it was necessary for the officer to fire his gun at that point in time.

    So the officer that goes after robbers,killers, drunk drivers, risking his life everyday for your safety should take one for the team, placing his life in danger, so you feel better about a guy getting shot. Think be great for you to volunteer to ride with a police officer for few nights or BETTER YET you become a police officer and coddle criminals and violently insane humans.

    Don't want to sound mean. Just put yourself in their shoes. Life sucks sometimes and sooooo glad some humans want to be police officers cause I sure as hell don't want to be one. Also know there are bad cops, been on receiving end three times and bad cops should be fired. But think it's too fucking easy to criticize sitting in safety of your home.

    Am I turning into a conservative douche loosing my happy love everybody vibe. Oh shit.
    I'm been around cops, and sat in with cops doing the 'protecting and serving' before, why would u think I dont have experience?

    This happens a lot here, many people like you assume that just because one has time to post here they dont have a certain life experience in the past/present.

    Its quite ignorant, and perhaps is just a reflection of yourself projected onto others?

    You think I've always been in the safety of my home? Just because I am, right now, typing this?

    Ask questions and get to know someone before coming up with such things.

    You are not being mean, you are being ignorant and that is only an injustice to yourself.

    Not sure how many times I need to repeat myself, I was speaking about this one specific case, which resulted in an outcome that I think could of been avoided.
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Godfather. said:

    JonnyPistachio said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    No such thing as overkill. They are trained to shoot until the situation is back under their control.

    After the first couple of shots the man is incapacitated. Anything after he is incapacitated certainly is overkill. In this case, 13 shots is clearly excessive.
    I wonder how any one of us on the train would have reacted in that officers situation ? and remember these police officers have to deal with thugs everyday and have to constantly be on guard, it's ez to say "I would have done it differently" ...what's that indian thing about walking a mile in someone elses shoes ?


    Godfather.

    I think its' walk a mile in someone else's shoes... and you'll find yourself a mile away from a shoeless person? :)
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    JimmyV said:

    I've only watched the video on my phone and can't tell for sure whether he has a knife or not. Either way, it is not inconceivable that the police believed he had a knife. Either through mistaking what they saw or as a result of the robbery report, they could have believed a knife was present and part of the threat.

    That is not to say their response was not overkill. Nor does it explain handcuffing a dead body.

    I see nothing wrong with the cops handcuffing the guy. They may not know he's dead. Most of these guys are not paramedics and are not trained in checking vitals. Once again, their job is to regain control of the situation. Once the shooting ended, they have have to cuff the guy because if the guy isn't dead, he couple possibly pose a threat. As harsh as that may sound, it's part of regaining control of the situation.

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